I think that may be how Metyr communicated with Greater Will. And since it's an outer god and if they are similar to how gods are in Bloodborne for "water" to be there would make sense since the Bloodborne gods are quite aquatic in shapes.
The assets under the map are likely the parent assets to a lot of the duplicates above. If you look, likely there is one of each unique model below that is copied above. If the parent asset is deleted, so is all of the references in code to the children (aka duplicates). They’re likely moved to a different location as well to prevent accidental deletion and hold uniformity.
They could also just be one of each different type of asset in the set, left underground for easy copying and pasting. No point in deleting them since they're so few, and they can be later used if they need to make any changes. Easier to look through a set of a 6 unique assets than 100 randomly placed assets.
I think they are tubeworms, specifically the species Escarpia laminata. They have growth rings that look a lot like the giant tubes in Metyrs arena, and they live 1000-3000 meters(3000-10000 ft) under the ocean. Another notable thing is their extremely long life spans, most around 300 years. Some are believed to be over 1000 years old.
What is the point of listening, if fingers doesn't have ears? When TwoFingers was trying to communicate with GreaterWill, tey didn't go I AM ALL EARS all of a sudden...
@@Mikael_Ore sure. But how? With fingers? No. Goldmask was standing all over the map listening to vibrations? No. He was READING and SPEAKING with his finger motions. Braille shrift. FingerREADERS not FingerLISTENERS. Its a solid theory from OP, i guess, but its just doesn't make sense to me. Or maybe im just spittin nonsense. We will see.
@@sherkecringemonger9872 I think you are giving it a lot of thought from a biological point of view, BUT lets not forget the spicy ingredient of this game, maaagiiiiic, the way the fingers speak through Enia like using telepathy could be the way they communicate with others and it could function as a radio, if so, then those tubes could work as radio wave amplifiers to communicate among themselves, or even other beings such as the greater will.
Perhaps a cool parallel to the field of erdtrees seen in the elden beasty’s arena, except these are shriveled, warped, and abandoned; just like Metyr itself
this is what i was thinking too. it should honestly be the primary theory people try to rule out first given their other similarities instead of speculating on unrelated ideas
The Scaduview map swap event reminds me that if you go from the Charo's Hidden Grave site of grace, and head into the archway with the lake, but turn right and North follow right along the very edge of the cliffside, there's one TINY little spot which will swap your map to the Gravesite Plains. A super weird little bug and I have absolutely no idea why that particular location triggers it - especially since it's so incredibly tiny. As always, an interesting look at another rather intriguingly out-of-reach area!
Fromsoft really loves there vast endless sea realms that are deep under the world and connect to the surfaceworld through extremely long cylindrical objects
The tubes under the Arena, I think, are the original models for each variation of tube. Then the programmers could copy one of them and paste it above the arena. Rinse and repeat. It was just a convinient place to have a "stock" of all the assets you need. Specially because they are so similar its useful to have a look at them in game to chose and pick when placing them on the arena
The arena itself looks like it takes place underwater which is usually a running theme for things associated with spirits and death whic gives Interesting implications. Those tubes reminds me of glass sponges or similar organisms. though rather being in the ground they they seem decend from above
Thanks for the deep dive into Mother Metyr's arena. Still so many unanswered questions about the fingers and now those strange tube-coral-like husks. Could you perhaps take a look at Bayle's arena? What it looks like from the top down, and if those strange geometric holes lead anywhere/form a unique pattern? Thank you.
I'm pretty sure that's where placidusax's arena came from. The jagged peak used to be next to Calid before the shadow lands were hidden, and things like the Ruins greatsword hint at structures having moved over Calid's sky to where Farum Azula now is.
Great catch! It makes sense with the aquatic theming as well since the spectral worms use an attack where they spit out their insides, like sea cucumbers.
The tubes immediately reminded me of the Elden Beasts arena, with the rows of Erdtrees surrounding the arena, which is conveniently a lake of water that only the Elden Beast can descend under. I think it’s safe to say Metyrs “tubes” connect to each of these trees, one of them, being our own Erdtree.
That's a possibility too, But i do keep in mind in a lot of half visible/half not objects in Elden Ring usually some important ones always fully rendered even in the hidden side, there is also the fact that they are so long and stretched far above the ceiling which seems odd since you don't really need them to be that long if the player is not gonna see them anyway.
They specifically made them tubes, with modelled ends. And they already had existing giant finger models that they didn't use or base it on at all. Considering how they modelled scars onto the faces of npcs whose faces are already covered, I think its safe to say that if they were fingers, they'd look like fingers.
There was a theory that the tubes led up to the trees in the Elden Beast arena, but the striations make me think of horns - both the calling kind, and the gnarled sign of the crucible.
Dunno if anyone's mentioned this before but the tubes above Metyr's arena resemble the body of underwater tube worms. So the game is doubling down on the Greater Will having some sort of aquatic theme to it.
I find they most closely resemble the slime tunnels that certain animals, like tubeworms, Bobbit worms and garden eels, make for themselves in the sand. These animals coat their burrows with a thick layer of slime, to make a smooth ringed tube like that in order to make sure they don't collapse or cause chafing. Some species of spider, like the trapdoor spider, also do something similar with silk. My best guess is that these are tunnels Metyr either uses to traverse the shadow realm, or that her offspring use to spread across the lands between like scout ants.
I think mtyrs arena was the original “passage” that we fight the elden beast in, at one point the flames of life and gold of stars would funnel though the now withered channels. Basically these are mtyrs garden of erdtrees to the elden beast, like I stated I refer to them as channels personally but I won’t deny it looks like coral but it looks dried either way.
The tubes remind me of coral tubes, but actually they remind me a lot more of the tubes that large dinosaurs used to lay their eggs. I think that with this being the mother of fingere, those tubes are actually the mechanism by which new fingers are born/come into this world
I assumed the tubes were the bottom parts of the giant fingers that stick from the ground around the land of shadow. Considering Metyr is the mother of fingers it would make sense if they all "sprouted" from her area. But this is just a theory, as you showed they are just tubes all the way up, very interesting video, thanks for sharing!
Oh, man. U did me service, thanks. I was analyzing in which direction the statue "oh mother" and the tree at bonny village near the snake skin is pointing. And I was disappointed it was not directly in line to metyr but shaman village... And now you showing, hey it's on the same place beneath :D But still unsure to put a deeper meaning to it, because it's something u can impossible proof without free cam and clipping mod. But it's a step in the right direction :)
Dude you're my new favorite channel for elden ring now. Would love it if you expand this to more games since your precise but not too short video are great ngl. Keep it up
on the way to get the twinblade europia，there is a statue covered by cloth，at the place where you fight a giant scorpion. can you check the statue that is under the cloth ，i wonder whether that statue is as same as the statues we see in enir ilim
My schizo theory is that these are just air pipes maintaining atmospheric pressure in that pocket dimention. There is water above and below, but not in the arena of Metyr itself.
So it's the giant pillars in the Hunters Dream all over again, where never going to get official lore, well seeing it's head cannon time i think seeing where basically dealing with cosmic horror like Lovecraft's nightmare worlds what we have here is a area/space staked onto another and above Metyr's boss arena is where the Elden Beast is so these tube like structures are the roots of the tress like struct's in the Elden Beast's boss arena.
The pillars in the hunters dream were broken world trees like in Dark Souls and resemble ashen/faded erdtrees from The elden beast’s fight. Head theory’s that every single souls game is connected.
The most probable reason why there are giant pillar areas in these games is because Miyazaki saw Nausica had those giant pillars and he thought they were cool.
the tubes under the arena might be the original assets for the tubes above. when setting up a scene in a 3D modeling software you have a few object variations stashed somewhere and you just grab one, copy it, then resize and move the copy. idk if thats what it is in this case but that would be my best non lore-based guess.
Could these possibly be the "arm" connected to the two fingers throughout the lands between? I think we see most, if not all of them with the wrist implanted in the ground (aside from the three fingers) Perhaps the two fingers are sort of antennae and these are the "cables" that bring the information back to Metyr?
It reminds of those slugs near active volcanic vents. Possibly predating eldenbeast and maybe alongside with the cirucible. Biology is a weird inspiration for this game and i love it. Matyr also means mother in greek (im assuming) which the Etymology elden video explained about how the older the names the older character or monster. Wo knows how consistent is that.
I think the tubes below the arena are the tubes used to copy-paste them above arena and they were just left forgotten there. It's easier than drag and drop assets from library than just copy-paste object in the world editor.
Half-baked theory based on the location of Metyr's arena: What if the fingers/Metryr communed instead with Marika herself as a "mortal" when the Greater Will abandoned them? They were like "well hey SOMEONE is answering, might as well give her godhood"
They could in fact still be connected to the massive fingers of the finger ruins. As there is no reason to fully model something the player is never supposed to see. And think about the sound the ruins make you use the key item and how that gets you to this place to fight Metyr.
Concerning the Interesting Event at 5:06 of the video: Taking into account other sources of information about Arena placement in FromSoftware games a similar strategy was done during development of Dark Souls 3 where High Lord Wolnir's arena was placed near Anor London despite the boss fight being at the Catacombs of Carthus.
They remind me of tube coral shells/exteriors? Fingers are similar to coral and anemones in the way they branch out. Maybe like the fingercreepers, the fingers are hand versions of a different animal, coral. Sentient coral is certainly an interesting and cosmic/alien idea
It's fully possible that they are still supposed to represent the bottom portion of the fingers, because the player is not meant to see the above portion. Thus, no reason to model the upper part.
Personally. They look like withered umbilical cords. The first connection a mother has with her budding offspring. They could have multipurpose. Being a connection to her children of fingers. Communicate with them. Supply them with power or nutrients from afar. Vice Versa They could be root like. Much like the root system of the erdtree reaching far and wide.
Well, she is the mother of fingers. It would only make sense the tubes are way for her to disperse her children without having to physically leave her realm.
I just assumed they were like communication vessels/devices between metyr and the various two fingers, as she relayed information from the greater will to them if im correct?
Maybe each of those tubes is sending out a beacon of some kind trying to find the greater will, just based on the many different directions of the tubes
could these tubes be proto-trees that the mother of the fingers used to try to simulate the trees of the Arena of the elden beast and try to communicate with the various dimensional planes in which the greater will is found?
While they do look like coral tubes, what if the they're meant to be Chinese finger traps? the one where two fingers from either side get stuck and can only be removed by pushing into them instead of trying to pull out? Would fit the theme quite well here.
I always feel that these are horns since they are hollow and the texture looks like ox horn as well. Perhaps fingers are just poor mimic of the horns born from the Crucible?
i just thought these where the same things that are in the elden beat arena but like withered or something, they are both the same kinda being (don't remember). but u know both have big water arenas but one is forgotten and withered just like Metyr and the other one has like those thing but "living" and that is elden beast. that leads in to another thing if these things are the same thing that are in the elden beast arena, does there healt correlate to the healt of the god/beast what ever they are?
surely they're horns, right? horns that make a sound when you blow into the fingers at the finger ruins? that was my initial thought and it still feels correct
@@Heowolf you are right, but you get those talismans somehow, right? maybe there's some more obvious contraption for how you get it but i sort of assumed that the horns carry the sound of your bell through to metyr, who then gives you the talismans. and then in the last case, it summons you to her
@@turquoise7817 I get the thought process, Ymir does say something about sounding the bells lets you receive guidance from the stars, and Meytr was the first star to land. Edit: Checked the other 2 Talismans locations, and unfortunately I can't see any link that would explain why you get the boosted versions there.
@@Heowolf lol i didnt even remember that, i must have internalised it for my headcanon i guess. personally the way these things curve and flare out slightly makes me think it's the extension of a horn, and is the way beings communicate with metyr, and yeah that comment from Ymir just bolsters this argument
