Abraham Is Alive! (August 24-30, 2024, Q3 L9) 

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@reidveryan could you provide a link to this EGW quotes?

@@LoCoWi None could fail to see that if the earthly sanctuary was a figure or pattern of the heavenly, the law deposited in the ark on earth was an exact transcript of the law in the ark in heaven GC pg 435 Or search this on EGW writings

I know of Moses and Elijah but not Abraham. Give me chapter and verse that state that.

​@warrior-xd2xn KJV Genesis 5:24 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took He went straight to heaven KJV 2 Kings 2:11 11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. KJV Jude 1:9 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. KJV Matthew 27:51-53 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Those are all the persons I know in heaven. But I am curious though if when one dies they go straight to heaven it means then when jesus raise persons from the dead he brings them back from heaven to this miserable earth, and the other thing is that none of them ever mentions where they were or any other experience

@@warrior-xd2xn Where is Moses resurrection? Mk 12:26-27: "“But now, as to whether the dead will be raised- haven’t you ever read about this in the writings of Moses, in the story of the burning bush? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said to Moses, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ So he is the God of the living, not the dead. You have made a serious error.”"

@@Adrian_Mason The disciples only saw Moses and Elijah no other prophets at Jesus's transfiguration.

@@warrior-xd2xn Matthew 17 use of "vision" could imply that it wasn't reality. Other Gospel accounts suggest that it might have been reality but all ask why John the Baptist was Elijah who they just saw. Interestingly the important part was what The Father said and we often miss that when we try to figure out how Moses was there.

*I would love these text to be explained because I am totally confused* *KJV Acts 2:29, 34 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,* It is my understanding, that David is being quoted about his prophesy about Christ and that He would die and rise again. The author is witnessing, that this event had already happened and was contrasting that though David’s body was still in the grave, his linage (Christ the king) had risen and was now forever on His throne. Reading verses 22-36 together helps explain this. *KJV Ecclesiastes 9:5-6* *5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.* Again my understanding is that, Solomon is describing what happens with our physical human fleshly body when we die. He is not describing what happens with our spirit. The SDA counterfeit pseudo-Christian organization has taken this verse, applied an interpretation that the writer was not saying, then have made it a proof text to prove their false doctrine of soul sleep. For further information check these resources. blog.lifeassuranceministries.org/2023/07/20/adventisms-death-doctrine-gospel-or-deception/ www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/ecclesiastes-9-5.html

First, the more literal translations do not render these texts the ways the versions do that you use. Second, the texts are not saying that "so all persons, weather they are dead, currently alive or yet unborn, are alive in the mind and heart of God." That is your Adventist-interpreted understanding, not the plain meaning of the text. Read 2 Corinthians 5:1-9 and Philippians 1:20-23. I recommend that you read this article for a more in-depth study of the biblical teaching of the human spirit and what it means to be "alive" and "dead". blog.lifeassuranceministries.org/2021/05/27/are-humans-more-than-living-bodies/

that means when Jesus resurrect Lasarus and all those who were resurrected were taken from Heaven back to this miserable sin cursed earth to face pain sickness and death again. i wonder why a loving God would do that. and second when Jesus returned who is He coming back for. who is He raising from the dead if all Christians are already in heaven.

@@stevedaley3107 No, this is just repeating nonsense statements that are similar to the responses given when they hear that Christians are not under the Old Covenant law. “Well, I guess you can just lie, steal and kill then.” I would recommend watching the video and read the article linked in the post above. Those caught up in the *SDA counterfeit pseudo-Christian organization* are physicalist and usually deny that humans have an immaterial spirit that departs the body at death and then await their eternal destination. The righteous believers *will be* united with their glorified bodies, designed to live in the presence of God. It is the *‘when this happens’* that there are differences of interpretation.

First, as former SDA’s, the ‘soul sleep doctrine’ is rejected outright. We accept that what we read in the scriptures using normal rules of interpretation and application. When Paul tells us that just before the tribulation Christ will bring with Him all the believers (New Covenant believer spirits) will at that moment, be reunited with our glorified human body designed to be in God’s presence. Paul is very clear that when a believer dies our spirit is in that moment, instantaneously in the presence of God. Our spirits have some conscious awareness similarly to the rich man and Lazarus as told by Christ and written in Luke. (Christ never used an untruth to teach a truth) God is spirit and I understand that it is our spirit that is the image of God as told in Genesis. We also see in Revelation the spirits under the alter are communicating with God and He comforts them and gives them robes to wear until they are given their glorified bodies.

Such a deep and thoughtful response, it may take many hours or even days to unpack this spirit led response. Isn’t it amazing that those caught up in the *SDA counterfeit pseudo-Christian organization are blessed with the ability to give such ad-hominem responses?*

I have a suggestion for you. Take your Bible and read the entire book of Galatians (only six chapters) every day, from beginning to end, for one month. Ask the Lord to teach you what He wants you to know from that book. When you have finished with Galatians, go to the book of John. Get a notebook, and literally begin copying John, a few verses every day, into a notebook, asking the Lord to show you what it is actually saying. Also, if you want to know the true definition of the gospel, look at 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. it is very simple and straightforward: Jesus died for our sins according to Scripture, He was buried, and He rose from the dead according to Scripture. This is the summary of the gospel. There is no ongoing application of His blood in heaven. There is no new work that began in 1844. I challenge you to open your own Bible and begin to read-IN CONTEXT-what it says. the Bible is an amazing thing: it is living; it pierces our own hearts and reveals us to ourselves and God's will to us (Hebrews 4:12, 13). None of us can escape dealing with God; He has given us everything we need in Jesus, and His word reveals His purposes and our true natures. Literally, Kenisha, open your Bible and take the time simply to read IN CONTEXT. Don't explain away the plain meaning of the words. Read it; believe it, and ask the Lord to teach you.

@@ColleenTinker you're telling me to study my Bible but you couldn't quote verses to disprove the Adventist message in any of your so called reviews of the quarterly? Wow. Critics of the Adventist movement says we are cult and can't be considered not even a denomination because adventist uses the Bible to explain their doctrine too much and here are you telling me that I need to sit down and study a chapter for a month in context. That is not a new thing to any Adventist who understands the scriptures.

@@kenisharobert2369 you misunderstood me. Read a while book for a month-six chapters a day. It’s a short book. It is studying Scripture in context that exposes Adventism. I know you have not read Scripture systematically in context. If I “proof-texted” you, taking phrases you have said to different people at different times and combined those phrases to “prove” you said things which you did not say in context, you would rightly accuse me of lying and misrepresenting you. Yet that is what Adventism has done to the Bible. It’s easy to say “the critics” don’t use the Bible and that I am not giving any Bible texts ( although these accusations are not true), but if you really believe the Bible tells the truth, then it should not be a problem for you to take my challenge. If you really believe the Bible tells the truth, read it systematically in context. The only way to really know what it says is to read it on its own terms.

Such a deep and thoughtful response, it may take many hours or even days to unpack this spirit led response. Isn’t it amazing that those caught up in the SDA counterfeit pseudo-Christian organization are blessed with the ability to give such ad-hominem responses.

@@aiborsohkhlet6787 Eccl 12:7: "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

Ps. 6:5

@@rsdaarud Psalms 9:17: "The wicked will go down to the grave. This is the fate of all the nations who ignore God."