Abuse, Content Creation, and You(Tube) 

Love the channel , keep up the good work

I've never heard of Joecat.

Will definitely be donating when my paycheck clears.

The Bible says this in proverbs. Proverbs 12:25 “Anxiety in the heart of man causes depression, But a good word makes it glad.” As a Christian, I do not support the LGBTQ+ community, it I do not hate any member. Nor do I care what you chose to do with your life. But I do not comment anyone who hates people in any way. If anything, hate the actions not the person. I hope God blesses you and Jo Cat in the video as you both have blessed me. My favorite was his video on being a DM

The problem with the lgbtq community is you have the insane people like Jeffries, who may be a pedo, and they forget people like gaysagainstgroomers. The cancelation of jocat is super lame. We should honestly make an effort to make judgments based on the individuals not of groups. For example in this video he made a blank negative statement of parents, maybe based on observations or fact, but that will likely just alienate parents or people that haven't had that experience. Not hating just a statement that we should always consider what prejudices we hold too.

I'm borrowing this quote. Too real.

I would agree. I have found myself loudly proclaiming disdain for AC/DC...

So sad yet so true...

As someone can't let other people like things, this is true.

You notice this when you work in retail/fast food Lol.

Well said, well said

Always remember that of the few mean ones, there is a million humans that supports you without mentioning it :)

I've had more laughs while learning DnD stuff from him than ever.

same, much loveand support to jocat, hope he takes all the time he needs to feel better

ngl sometimes I feel like it would be way better if we went back to the times where we would have like one or two assholes per tribe and we could just leave them for the wolves instead of them finding each other on twitter and starting hate mobs

Because toxic tiktokkers and Tate bros think being warm and positive about women, especially ones outside the supposed ideal, makes you less of a man.

I've noticed a lot of the people who hate on JoCat and the video seem to be taking part in some sort of new purity movement. Any amount of sexuality is considered bad and gets you accused of porn addiction

This. Absolutely this right here.

​@@NieroshaiTheSable cuz people just hate people being happy.

Stopped watching him because he was going into identity stuff. Had a feeling it would backfire

I agree. And for what? A song? Has the world gone mad? This makes no sense to me.

He probably did but the sad thing is there is enough of these radicalized, hateful people that it's not a matter of catching the culprits, but of the frequency of new culprits.

@@Gray963 The USPS has their own armed policing force. Get enough people sniveling and crying for their mommies while some 6'3", 200 pounds of muscle, corn fed super mailman with a rifle pointed at them and post that and people will stop QUICK. It's not like swatting, the postal service keeps better records then the Nazis.

@@crapshot321 Insecure dipshits who were brainwashed into thinking anything remotely LGBT is a blight that needs to be eradicated. I understand Jocat needing to step away, but I hate letting them win like this.

@@crapshot321 twitter morons threatened someone with DEATH because they drew a black character a slightly lighter shade. People bullied a girl till she self deleted because she "race swapped" a Stephen Universe character. People bullied a Japanese manga artist to the point of getting his accounts banned by abusing the systems. People threaten Trumps youngest son and got him banned from Minecraft for having trump as a dad, nothing else. A NASCAR driver was banned because his grandfather said the N word. none of this is new. People have lost their minds a long long time ago and unfortunately Jo is on the receiving end this time

I will miss him 😢 i learn so much from him ❤

I also hope for this, he's been one hell of an inspiration and deserves so much more than the bullshit he's been through with this. But, hope he gets to be happy with whatever he chooses to do, guy deserves that much for all he's done.

His crap guides was essential to my getting into the hobby of ttrpgs

People won't miss his support of the Nashville shooter or his calls for the trans community to commit violent protests.

SAME. i was also fresh off the mitten squad announcement so to hear "we've lost jocat" my heard shattered

Same

Agreed 😢

Apparently for that video, a large chunk of it also came from the predominately "pro-female" side that said it was "objectifying women" in addition to what was probably the steady amount of insecure trolls that already would have issues with his LGBTQ background.

Jocat made me want to keep playing after dealing with the absolute worst human being playing a druid. I’m so sad about this.

Same😢

People online tend to get triggered over the stupidest things, which in turn feeds the trolls. If you let it get to you, they win. The beauty of the internet is that it's mostly anonymous, and so people can mostly speak their minds. The downside of this is obviously the twitter and reddit mobs that abuse this freedom to ruin others...

The 1st world is so privilaged people make stuff up to get offended over on behalf of minority groups.

@@Call-Me-I True, though the veil of anonymity provided by the internet, alongside the lack physically being in one another's presence, makes it a LOT easier for that monstrous behavior to freely manifest. A lot of monsters online are all bark and no bite.

@@Skijaramaz Internet removes what I call "punching proximity." A lot of people will say a lot more horrible things if they are out of punching proximity of someone. Removes the fear of getting a bloody nose for mouthing off.

@@ramennight That's certainly a part of it.

I don't have to imagine. Another of people in this world are just straight up Assholes my frined -_- .

It most likely comes from jealously. They want to be or do that thing, but feel unable to be or do it, getting angrier and angrier, turning to hate. Then throwing that hate and rage at people who are or do that thing out of jealousy. That and religions brainwashing. It's sad, but doesn't mean it should happen or you should take the abusers side.

All it requires is a social group in which that behaviour is normal and rewarded.

Yeah I dont even know how you justify death threats or anything like that in your mind. "oh they are a nazi" or "oh they are homophobic" or "oh they are jewish" or "oh they are a pedophile" just, well like he said in the video, dehumanize them, then make their life worth nothing, and try to make *them* feel the same way. its disgusting.

@@Yipper64 In fairness, Nazis and Paedophiles *do* genuinely harmful things. While dehumanization is dangerous, I think it's at least fair to stop someone genuinely that dangerous. The trick is to make sure that the person you're accusing is *actually* guilty of anything significant, and to apply a more productive response than death threats when receipts are provided.

this kind of behaviour makes me question my belief that all evil is a corruption, that goodness or at least blissful ignorance is natural. but assuming i'm right, why are they like this?

"If the only thing you have going in your life is the capacity for cruelty, you are empty." That's a great quote. But I'm afraid for many people hatred and toxicity is the only thing that keeps them together...

​@@cmdAHYTThis is what Tribalism, and the Online Disinhibtion Effect can do.

@@cmdAHYT Well, theres a lot of nuance to this which has been observed. Fear breeds defensive hostility, projection often manifests as open hostility, The problem comes in with how you define evil, as that as a term has Many varied interpretations. and is often a matter of degree. to borrow the relevant subject matter, DnD basically divides Evil and Good alignments by the yardstick of selfish vs selfless. a giver vs a taker, etc. As psychopaths and sociopaths often are incapable of caring about others, psychopaths often learn to 'fake it' enough to build relationships but they are built and maintained as a means to an end, rather than as an end unto itself. Nature has to veer towards selfishness, Noones gonna feed the tiger, except that tiger, so it hunts mercilessly to sate its needs. and to keep its skills sharp cats, big and small, are known to basically torment small creatures, in rather cruel displays. However its fair to say it isnt true cruelty as the cat doesnt enjoy the suffering it inflicts, it enjoys the game and is merely oblivious to the suffering. Similarly, cruelty is often beaten into animals, true maliciousness, making the animal angry and violent. and People react the same way, kids raised poorly by neglectful parents or even abusive ones, or those who are abused especially over a long period, tend to grow into spiteful, wrathful, cruel little shits, because when the world has kicked you, the only way to feel like you have any power, any control over your life is to kick back, and then kicking back becomes kicking first, and unfortunately, the numbers show that a *lot* of people are subject to some form of abuse and cruelty during their formative years and do not get proper treatment for it. So, to summarize, theres a lot of reasons why this kind of behaviour can be 'a corruption' of what was once a decent person. However, its also believed that a primary element that leads to psychopathy and sociopathy is literally genetic, that theres literally something in their brains wiring that prevents forming the bonds of empathy that a social species relies upon, and are thus literally hard-wired to only view other people as potential assets or threats. ofcourse the purpose of dehumanizing a target with slurs, and the like is also expressly there to Dehumanize a target, to make them easier to target.

@@cmdAHYT Multitude of reasons. There's being terminally online in toxic community echo chambers, listening to bigoted machismo talking heads, internalizing homophobia/transphobia due to being surrounded by anti-LGBT people in their family and friend groups thus making their true feelings "bad", heavy investment into far-right conservative politics, etc. In some way, they've been conditioned by the environments they inhabit, and the multitude of ignorance and lies they're fed, to be hostile to anything and anyone who doesn't fit the mold in their head of what a "real man/woman" looks/acts like. The sad thing is, all it takes is a simple and respectful conversation with someone on the other side to plant the seeds of deprogramming their mindset from hateful to accepting that others are different and it's okay. Daryl Davis has proven dozens of times that it's possible to change the mind of bigoted hateful people with respectful conversation. If you don't know who that is, he's a black man who has sat down and talked with KKK members, many of them high ranking, and eventually convinced them to leave and denounce the KKK, around 60 left directly because of him and 200+ indirectly. If one man can do that, imagine what could happen if we all took that approach?

That's also all kinds of breaking and legal hell to the senders from sending dangerous material through the postal systems to assault for the threats.

We NEED to step up enforcement against that sort of targeted harassment and threats. The perpetrators should be arrested, not getting a win by getting Jocat to quit.

We need to dox the people who sent those threatening things, show them they lost their personal safety the moment they tried threatening him

Agreed. anonymity is what keeps those disgusting "people" doing the stupid shit they do.

​ @GuardianofRoin I absolutely agree with you on this. I hope the people responsible for creating this threat to Jocat & Jocat's _family_ get caught. @@AquaticLotus7552 What they've done is awful, but this would likely only invite further retaliation. They're clearly people who're already unhinged to do something like that to begin with, so their reactions are going to be unpredictable... I wouldn't want more people to be harmed in the crossfire. I'd love to see justice happen here, just not on their level.

I agree 100% with you

That's because he's not getting harassed over the song parody, he's getting harassed because of his support and identity as an LGBT+ person. But by playing it off like it's about his song parody, it helps to legitimize the actions of bigots by making it seem like it's not just coming from a place of bad faith. Now the question should be: This is obvious on it's face, you can even see people in these comments saying the quiet part out loud and voicing transphobic screeds. So *why* is this channel legitimizing their facade?

@@crazyinsane500 Because it started with the video. Yes, bigots worsened it but it legit genuinely started with just the "I like girls" video because of a bratty bait twitter account who's now gone. It's a case of a snowball effect.

​@@crazyinsane500just to clarify here Jocat isn't LGBT, he's an ally, and while gender non-conforming he is a cis man and, as his videos demonstrates, he likes girls. He is an awesome ally though.

@@crazyinsane500Probably because it started from the animation and grew from there. Jocat himself said that after a year of posting that people outside his target audience started seeing it and then started their abuse towards him and his family. It may not be what people are abusing him over, today, but it did bridge to those who would be doing the heinous things.

I'm sick of people being absolutely terrible to ANYONE...

same

Same

The thing is you don't find him entertaining, whereas these kinds of people have found something about that video, or him, or his content in general that they *hate.* And because these sorts of people are usually some of the pettiest little sh!ts you can imagine, they will go on the offensive because 'how dare you not bow to their specific values and views about (insert nonsense here).'

all he ever did was just be a good person spreading positivity and good vibes, and he gets all this hate... and during all the Hogwarts legacy bullshit (I'm trans so I already have a lot of disdain for that game), he didn't like those who harassed others (which, the people harassing people playing HW put an even more negative light on trans people, when it would be better to inform those who have zero idea of what's happening behind the scenes other than "oooh, magic book game, I should play"), and yet the shitstains of the internet can't have good reading comprehension at all. this entire situation and the shitstains who bullied him off the internet is entirely is just tiring and never seems to stop rolling in, but people can't seem to leave other people doing nothing wrong, alone, without being a crybaby.

@@bliss5297 It's why I, personally, have adopted the mentality of 'Return Fire.' When I see this shite, I fire back, because I'm of the opinion that toxic behavior like this should be called out on site.

​@@palladin1337 Approaching people who enjoy a hobby, piece of entertainment, or a fandom, to educate them about why they are wrong to enjoy it, for political reasons none the less, is intrusive, patronicing and therefore toxic behavior. Sure, it's less toxic than outright attacking them for it, like many shitstains do, but toxic goals, aproached softly, are still toxic goals. If you don't want to become target of their ire, don't ladden them with your toxicity.

@@sgt.bonkers8706 ....I feel like I should clarify what I meant with my earlier post. When I come across hateful comments, bigotry and outright misinformation, I call it out and dismantle it to the best of my abilities, usually without any care given to if I piss off the original poster in the process. And while I typically refrain from personal attacks against them, I will still 'fire back' if they attempt to engage with me and 'prove' they are correct for holding whatever their opinion may be. While I'm fine with people having different opinions than me, even if they disagree with me over certain issues, I'm not going to simply ignore shit like what was hurled at JoCat because it's the 'tolerant' thing to do. There's a time to ignore crap ideas and claims, and a time to confront them, and I happen to align with the 'confronting' side of things more often than not.

JoCat is one person, my guy, "them" and "they" are plural and only used when referring to more than one thing or when the sex of a person is unknown (which it isn't in JoCat's case, he's a guy).

⁠@@borderlands10it can also be used to be referred to one person who identifies as non binary

@@borderlands10Look man no one cares. Just let people live. It’s not hard.

@@maximillianhallett3055 your naivety is palpable, that's not how life works.

@@borderlands10 Look dude, I was just trying to show support for some one I like and respect.

there are many other dnd youtubers I respect and appreciate, but have never spoken with and so I didn't include them. Zee Bashew is GOATED, for instance.

I was watching it and shocked at how many I recognized. DnD RU-vid might be a closer knit community then I thought

I know about 3/4 of them, and I'm sure I can name quite a few more you consider friends who weren't on there form other platforms, such as Quincy's tavern. Alas, I do not know them all and hope they get recommended to me one day

I know of most of them. And of those, i watch almost all of them. Dnd is a very vibrant and diverse hobby, in which everybody can find a group that fits them. Same goes for the content creators in this sector. I gotta admit about JoCat, i find it weird for a dude to draw himself so feminine. But his content is good, and i love his crap guide videos, and i really don't understand why anybody would send someone like him death threats. It takes a special kind of idiot to resort to stuff so grotesque and inapropriate..

Deathbringer!!!

1000% agreed, the same happened with me

I told the people blaming "wokeness":

I’m sorry other people are so narrow and callous that they would hurt you like that. You don’t deserve that and no part of it is okay. ❤️

The most aggravating part is that it was a decent proportion of "leftists" doing it. The miserable ones on twitter at least.

yeah, honestly this thumbnail and title combo is... not great =/

honestly, I thought by the context of what I saw, that he unalived himself because of bullying. So I was really worried.

I was more scared that it was a vid to say that Jo took the more PERMANENT way out! Good God, I’m glad he’s JUST stepping away! Just hearing he decided to leave content creation behind was already a gut punch!

Same, the title definitely reminded my of HBomber's latest, and I was terrified we were about to be betrayed. Instead, I was the one who let JoCat down...

He def doesn't deserve this shit for a small video

I've been told it wasn't just the alpha males saying he was gay - it was also militant feminists saying that video was objectifying and "bordering on SA". I myself did my share of battling the first category in the comments section - not for the sake of making them show up, but to show Jo and others reading the comments that we do protect him. But I guess the second category are such backstabbing rats that they took their abuse private instead... Where there's nothing the rest of us can do.

OMG SAME!!

I got 2 goblins and a kobold he did. He is a great creator, I liked the crap guide to monster hunter it's how I found him.

​@@trishapellislife sucks

SAME.

The Twitter freaks know no shame, and no conditions are good enough for them, they will always move the goalpost or outright prevent the proverbial ball from reaching the goal.

Thank you for this reminder. I have someone in my life who is criticizing me for not living up to expectations, and this comment made me see how she has been moving the goalposts. I can perfectly fulfill every expectation, and she will create something else I failed. I knew it was the case, but it's good to have a reminder now and again, because it's so easy to feel guilty for something that someone else is doing to you when you did nothing wrong.

*EXACTLY!* THAT need for complaining,right there,is why SJWs and the Twitter hivemind is regarded with so much hatred & fear. It's just a bunch of whiny,idiotic MANCHILDREN who complain till something happens,so that they can _ feel_ like heroes who're making a change _even though they aren't!_ It's JUST LIKE american catholics/Moral Guardians(tm) from the 80's criticising gays,rock music,videogames & anything else that wasn't on a sitxom like Leave It To Beaver!Same bullsh!t,different appearence.

In my country, there is saying: "One, that wants to beat a dog, will find a stick."

“Moving the goalposts” is such an annoying thing

Yooo I'm so excited to finally start Final Fantasy 14 this coming spring with Xbox Series X Been looking at it longingly for years

Yeah, JoCat's the reason I got into FF14. Also, I loved his Goblin design so much that the goblins of my TTRPG setting are exactly that cute design. He and Red from OSP both contributed core parts of what turned into my Goblins and I will always appreciate that.

fame rarely ends up well, Very VERY rarely. even Keanu who people often regard as nearly a living saint, Suffered for his fame, and suffered Before his fame too. Most of the time the famous ones either get help, or get perspective, to deal with the negativity, or they end up spiralling out a bit. other times, fame leads to ego, which invariably leads to the ego bubble bursting and a whole messy episode there. Even RDJ, before stepping into the Iron suit had serious problems with substance abuse and I believe nearly died before he had an epiphany that helped him clean his shit up, and sure he wears fame well Now, but he didnt used to. Fame is a dangerous thing, and should never be what anyone aspires to, its one thing to aspire to be good enough at something to earn renown, and fame, but wishing for fame itself is like wishing for power, the people who seek it are seldom those who are worthy of it.

Woah what's going on the dude of the guides?? . Got bored of his channell. But I can't believe he is being mistreated

Your first sentence says it all.

Sorry for my ignorance,but who's Elynthi?

@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb Heart of Elynthi is a D&D live play that JoCat DMs. It’s really good.

I don't underatand the people blaming wokeness, like: Yeah! Everyone knows Twitter is ONLY woke people and those are the bullies, that's the problem this gender noncconforming guy has, too many woke people on Twitter, no Conservatives, Alpha Males or anything to reign it in. Such wokescolds as the men who called him gay/pathetic, called him girly, implied he was so in the closet he felt the need to go out of his way to appear straight calling the song "look how straight I am", told him he loves women like a lesbian (not complimenting him but telling that's queer and weird) all the while having alpha male/confederate flag bullshit in their pfps. Those are wokescolds? They're woke is the problem? Because everyone knows that woke people loooooove this stuff, those wokescolds, they loooove homophobia and totally don't fight against these kinds of bullying heteronormativity at all, they love that stuff especially against a guy so pro LGBT, hmm sooooo woke... So LGBT... Like the ones who called DnD Shorts a pedophile for retweeting gay support thinking he is gay. And all the others calling gay people groomers or pedophiles, they're not homophobic or Conservative/Religious people against a soft boy like Jocat for supporting gay rights (and even DnD Shorts, who is not as soft), they're wokescolds! That solves what woke means, apparently. So the problem is they're too woke apparently, they'd be WAY less disgusted by his androgeny if they were LESS woke you guys seem to think...

It is on his community tab on his channel.

@SuperEasywalker I know. I didn't know how I missed it at the time

Same here. I'm still crying.

they threatened his family

@@alexanderleonardi3625 I know that. Besides I said in the future, a lot of things can happen.

You are great as well. Just saying.

This incident didn't happen within the community, it happened outside of the community in an entirely different context that leaves the community absent from the situation; The best thing to do is move on and pray the Twitter mobs and cancel culture perpetrators ignore DnD Shorts and anyone else that makes videos about this incident, that's really all anyone can do...

Does that apply to the abuse Jocat defended against Pikamee and Silvervale?

@@asideofsalt.6645 Especially. Because the two were affected by it, the abusers won. I just hope jocat now learned how bad abuse is.

@@yamato9753 actually, jocat was against the abuse that those two faced, it's just that Pikamee fans scapegoated him because she stopped streaming afterwards. The harrassment wasn't even why she stopped streaming, she was planning on stopping anyway.

@@teamchaos5101 oh, wow. Then I massively misinterpreted that.

Saying “She was going to quit anyway” doesn’t make her harassment okay. JoCat had implied that Pikamees harassment for wanting to play Harry Potter doesn’t matter in comparison to what trans go through. That didn’t sit well with some people, that’s why he’s hated by some people.

I just wish I was as cute as him ;-;