Apostle Z.A Ntiwane, thank you for your humbleness while chatting with someone who is twisting the word of God for his own benefits. King Saul died because he had consulted with the medium. God the father of my Lord Jesus Christ clearly stated that we are not supposed to consult with the mediums, palm readers, fortune tellers e.t.c. As the Apostle has clarified, you are not even sure that the spirit you are consulting represents or looks out for you. The scripture mentioned by magejageja of, "Lazarus and the rich man scripture clearly shows that once you are dead you cannot come back and warn your family or bring good tidings". People are supposed to listen to the servant of God through Christ Jesus (Not false prophets). Now again if the scripture shows that you cannot come back and speak to the living when you are dead. Exactly who was speaking during the consultation of king Saul. Apst. Ntiwane had already explained this clearly. I am not saying our dead relatives are demons but demons are able to transfigure themselves as our passed love ones in order to trick humans (especially black people) into doing things for them. You must ask yourself, how come the African people who were taken during slavery are not affected by "ämadlozi"? The Bible also didn't come with white people, that is the misconception that you are taught and because you refuse to read the bible yourself and deny the only Way and Truth which is Christ Jesus, you shall remain blind. The Bible itself mentions a black person reading the bible and one of the disciples of Christ Jesus explains to him further. No believer of Christ Jesus prays to any person mentioned by magejageja. I do not pray to Paul, Abraham or any other person. Christs Jesus, Himself said we do not need to approach Him in order to talk to our Heavenly Father God, He said we have direct access. Anyone that tells you that you have to go through dead people in order to speak to God is misleading you and wasting your time. Anyone that also tells you that you have to slaughter an animal to please some dead people for your life to succeed is also wasting your money and time. Jesus Christ became a living sacrifice for all those who will believe in Him, if you still think the blood of animals carries more weight than that of Jesus Christ you are surely mistaken. Anyone that says, he/she is being used by God and still preaches that you are cursed or have a generational curse through your family or father or mother is a liar. The Word of God said Jesus Christ became a curse for us. So that doesn't apply to you. Anyone that denies Jesus Christ is an anti-Christ. Any person that says God gave him/her the gift in order to make money out of it (Wathi Unkulunkulu iyona nanto ezongiphilisa, njengoba behlezi besho) is a liar. God said, freely you have received, freely you shall give. We all have gifts from God, it depends on which side you have chosen to pursue. God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ assigned Him to be our Redeemer. He didn't say for black Africans you will go through ancestors. Jesus Christ the only Way. Don't be fooled by people who are after your money saying they are helping you. The sad part is that even in churches pastors are after people's money, but the truth shall be revealed very soon. Black people, please wake up. You are already at disadvantage in your lives don't allow men to mislead you. No person working for God the Father/Creator can quote the Bible and still speak against His only Son. God said we must listen to Jesus Christ. If you say, you are not Jewish and Jesus Christ was for Jews. Here is the truth from the Bible. According to the Oxford dictionary, Gentiles means a person who is not Jewish. Now since you are not Jews, it means you are Gentiles according to your understanding. The Word of God says in "Galatians 3:14 - That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." If you believe in the Word of God, How is Jesus Christ not for black people or any other person who is not Jewish then? The scripture is saying Jesus Christ is also for Gentiles. Galatians 3:28 _ There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. We need more of these conversations. I pray that the father of my Lord Jesus Christ can show Mercy over you, so your eyes can be opened and know the Truth which is Christ Jesus. Even people who read the Bible and pray constantly are still confused about which way to go. It saddens my spirit, what is happening especially to African black people. God is faithful, Merciful and Lovingkindness. He is also Longsuffering that you repent. Pray and ask Him for direction. Read the Bible and also ask God to reveal the Truth. Be Hungry for Truth and it shall be revealed to you. God the Father of my Lord Jesus Christ knows each and every person's heart, we cannot trick Him. There was a time when God allowed people to do as they please but that time is over.
Thank you BabNtiwane for preaching the true gospel of God. We need more people like you. Our God is jealous and doesn't like to be shared as per Exodus 20 (10 commandments). And preaching prosperity instead of true gospel is totally misleading people from getting to know the truth which is Repentance, seeking God face and obey His Ten Commandments. Matthew 6:33 = But Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all things will be added to you....🙌🙌🙏🔥 I pray God have mercy on Prophet Magejageja and show Him the true revelation. when 2 Corinthians 11:14 tells us that “Satan disguises himself as an angel of light,” it means that Satan capitalizes on our love of the light in order to deceive. Satan appears as a creature of light to draw us to himself and his lies.
There's a difference between worshiping and recognizing...Mr Magejageja u must learn to differentiate between those two...When God says "because of David or Abraham"...He emphasize the recognition. Prosperity gospel will take u nowhere, u must preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and tell ur congregation that He is coming back soon, people must repent and worship only God.
@@avelagasa2927 Thats why he's even saying he was preaching prosperity but he was poor. Who told him that preaching prosperity will make one rich. This guy is really confused and he wants God to fit in his way of doing things.
Wayibeka indaba ka Nkulunkulu baba wase EC yhoo ay ugcotshiwe baba onezindlebe makezwe, lo Magejageja ubuswa amandla obumnyama engathi u Nkulunkulu angamzwela one of the days
Ancestors were sinners like us how can you consult a sinner 😢how are they going to give us what we ask for God is the creator and they didn't die for our sins Jesus did
Ngiyamvuma umprofeti umagejageja, indeed before on old testament we were uncertain of ancestors as Christians but when Jesus christ said we will live even if we die, that brought more light to my confusion.
These discussions will expose how much we still need to know and understand about this world that progressed from what is simple to what is complex. From when the world was in animism and progressed to monotheism, and how do we separate beliefs in mythology, mysticism and mystery...
Read again and again the 'Book of 1 Samuel 28 until you get Revelation. Apostle Tiwane thank you for preaching uncompromised word of God. Its not easy standing for the truth. I'm reminded of Elijah. God bless you indeed. Please share the man of God contacts. Shalom🙏
Huge respect to the Apostle, he speaks such truth. We live in an age of such deception where people turn away from the truth to listen to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons.... May God continue to reveal His truth
The only problem we are having is that we want to forcefully say all people who acknowledge their ancestors worship them. I acknowledge my ancestors but I worship and pray to God. Ancestors are not God therefore I cannot worship them, I acknowledge the existence of my ancestors, as the people in the Bible acknowledge theirs.
This "prophet" has an intelligent argument. I pray though that he's not leading a Christian church but a group of like minded people. The book of Jude warns about such. Even the epistles of the Apostle Paul
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Thanks Mfundisi may the good Lord gives you more wisdom.Sorry Prophet what you say is not from God and God does not work with spirits of the dead.I wish God Almighty will help you see things according to His word
I agree with you.Necromancy is the practice of communicating with the dead.It was not Samuel who spoke because the one that has crossed over can not communicate with the living.The 'prophet' has no business with God's word.He is not on the side of God,just like Balaam.
Yah neh prophet M is always leading ppl away from the truth...where in the bible that says we must go to Israel worship their ancestors....but thanks to the apostle ntiwane
Awulandeli,bekuba netrip yokuya Kwa Israel once a year.bantu bebehamba bathi bayobona ithuna lika Jesu,umageja akathi ebhaybhelini.ukhuluma ngamakholwa abehamba aya kobona ithuna lika jesu.not kuthi uthe ebhaybhelini
Going or not going to Israel that's change the fact kutsi amandlozi they have to be worshiped...for I dnt worship amandlozi or anything in these world...but I worship the living God thru jesus christ that my stand...unless u want us to debut?
In the african spirituality. Only the strong lives. If you believe in ancestors with little knowledge and yours are powerless others will gain power through your struggles. Don't worship or prays them you will open ways to stronger evils to come and attack u
I Kings 18:21 NKJV [21] And Elijah came to all the people, and said, “How long will you falter between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if Baal(amadlozi), follow him.” But the people answered him not a word.
Inkinga is that you people are judgemental,umuntu aka believele entweni emsebenzelayo , if usindisiwe nd iyak’sebenzela stick to that ,nisyeke thina sideshe!!
The “Prophet” has exposed himself at the end when he said I was preaching prosperity gospel and he was poor but as soon as he started consulting mediums and the familiar spirits of the dead then he become prosperous. To me this is not the message of Yeshua and salvation we should not rely on earthly things which are temporarily but invest in internal heavenly things. Lastly this program is accommodating part 2 with the “Prophet” only but not the Apostle why?
Who is the man in the blue shirt he is speaking the truth i want and need to listen to him on this matter this man hold alot of truth but they were focusing more on the guy who accept such a lie.
Mageja, Christianity has never said people must go and pray in the graves of Apostles in Israel, Nations represented by dead people in heaven, changing the bad spirit ah, that is not our doctrine. Let me help you. Judaism is not the gospel of Christians. We who believe in Jesus Christ, we have the Spirit of God not of Paul, Peter or other Apostles.
Ubaba Umagejageja uyageja impela, The dead has nothing in common with the living, beware of familiar spirits, they are familiar with the scripture they are familiar with the world they are familiar with your family and your life, someone who is dead is dead the spirit go where it came from and the flesh back to where it cames from never to be connected to each other until the judgment day the first confusion is the going to hell theory you were not created in hell nothing from you came from hell so when you die it's a reverse of what happened in the beginning what came from the Most High YAH goes back to Him what came from the ground goes back to the ground and wait for Judgment day
To mageja what made God not to speak to Saul until he went to a witch doctor and what happened after that why didn't he continue explaining?😱Saul did not follow God's instructions
U clean umagejageja and explains it kahle futhi 🔥🔥 worse part the pastor is agreeing with him kodwa ufuna ukuphika 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ngeke ukholwe izidalwa zakomunye umuzi zikhona ezakini ✋✋✋✋
❤Esh Prophet Magejageja for eversince I listened this Interview, I followed you during then, you have branged me alive as a man who is a Christian but I was always see a Mistry in the way we worship GOD
Our troubles begin when we MisIdentify ourselves as Africans, I am not African, I Am I Am, Ndinguye oNdinguye. We need to realise that Ondinguye (God) is our Father, we were not made to worship Him but BE LIKE HIM. I do understand the legacy that has come with these scriptures from the Bible, however Your Power lies not on the living nor the DEAD, but in realising that when Jesus says ..."I and my father are one, he who has seen me has seen my father" We are eternal we should look at how to become like our Father more and more. A lion can live among dogs, thinking it is a dog, until a lion comes and shows it that it is a lion. Your Power lies not in the dead nor living but in the eternal knowledge that in our lowest form: We are the gods of this world.
Amen I got saved from a religion but into understanding I'm a spiritual being created by an infinite being As an African and all human creation we were made to inhabit the world and have dominion of it as we are made in the likeness of God(Yahweh) to live for him on earth
13 ....And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a[a] .” 14 So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “, and he is covered with a mantle.” And that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. A medium saw a spirit coming from the ground and that spirit looked like an old man.. Nowhere where is says it was Samuel that came up, it is only Saul that perceived in that way.
@@bongokuhlemiya1170 ok. Just in case you didn’t know, God is the One who saves us through Jesus Christ. If He says He turns His back on you, who then will save you? Just saying.
Pastor , go on explaining .The Spirit of God is with you.Reveal the Truth because Jesus said we shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set set you free.
Finally the truth is in the bible 1john 4:1-3 it says there are many spirit outside there so we need to discern whether the spirit is from God or not,every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God
Ecclesiastes 9;5-6 yes,the living know they are going to die,but the dead know nothing.They have no further reward;they are completely forgotten.Their loves,their hates,their passions,all died with them.They will never again take part in anything that happens in this world. Isaiah 8:19-20 But people will tell you to ask for messages from fortune-teller and mediums, who chirp and mutter. They will say , "After all,people should ask for messages from the spirits and consult the dead on behalf of the living". 20 You are to answer them," Listen to what the LORD is teaching you! Don't listen to mediums- what they tell you cannot keep trouble away."
I just want to say there's no right or wrong belief so let us not judge each other if someone wants to be Christian then let them be then if someone wants to believe in ancestors then let them be then if someone believes in them both then let them be... We will see everything after life such arguments never ends because each one of us wants to defend our own belief and everyone has their own interpretation of the Bible so I think it's best if everyone read the Bible on their own and provide your own interpretation... I think that Bible is the book of guidance so have your own interpretation and let us not judge each other's belief and sometimes people belief what works for them so if Christianity works for you then take that path and if ancestors work for you then take that path if both path works for you then go for it... Everything will be clear after life
There is no such, God values those who cry out and defend the truth, even when its not popular amongst the masses. such statements are made by people who do not want division but division must be there between the unholy and the holy. The gospel/bible separates people, friends, families etc and that is Gods intended purpose with it if you read it carefully Ezekiel 9:4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. 5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
That's your belief so don't say there's no such thing... I'm sticking to my belief then stick to yours... If you believe the Bible then stick to it don't judge others... Because really we don't know who's in the right path
@@nikiwengubane1397 but you cannot say there is no right or wrong, we can't be afraid to confront people or enter into arguments with them, all because we ourselves don't want to be confronted about what we believe, we have to allow our beliefs to be challenged without throwing a fit, if everytime our beliefs are challenged we throw a fit then we need to be suspicious of what we believe.
Okay I hear you but what I'm saying is that during confrontation one cannot say the other belief is wrong just because they want to justify their own beliefs
Prophet magejageja.....on the scripture when saul went to consult sangoma....i had always been asking the same question how a sangoma can raise Samuel the prophet of God?
