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Acoustic interference (flying over our heads) 

Aleksandr Berdnikov
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Unusual physics in mundane events.
My pacing may be off sometimes, so be welcome to pause, etc.
Thanks to / 3blue1brown for the impetus that #SoME2 has given me.
0:00 The question
0:17 Doppler hypothesis
1:10 Spectrogram
2:00 Echo interference
3:25 Verification
5:22 Double slit analogy
7:14 But where's Doppler?
8:06 Recap

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@davidlynch5748
@davidlynch5748 Год назад
The sound at 8:00 that demonstrates the Doppler effect isn't from the plane's engines -- it's the same effect as blowing across the top of a bottle and making a sound. It only happens at low altitudes because it's speed dependent and jets of that size at low altitudes are moving slowly because they're either just taking off or about to land. On the Airbus A320 series of planes, it's the holes in the wing that allow air into and out of the fuel tanks as the outside air pressure changes, and the sound can be lessened by disrupting the air flow over the opening. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IIk7sR3DzzQ.html
@v44n7
@v44n7 Год назад
damn thats so cool, thanks for sharing. Also Alek amazing video!
@fredoverflow
@fredoverflow Год назад
I can't wait for the next plane to fly over so I can do the squats!
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
As I mentioned, you can employ somebody to be a plane for you in that respect:)
@potato733
@potato733 Год назад
I produced the "shshshshshsh" white noise with my mouth and went closer and farther to the wall 😂
@MadScientist267
@MadScientist267 Год назад
Jets everywhere here... Definitely gonna check this out
@v44n7
@v44n7 Год назад
@@aleksandrberdnikov2439 i am curious if you do the same but with your hand to any sound. Depending on which direction are facing you hand with you ear
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
@@v44n7 You can do that and hear a change, but it's much less clear than with a solid wall or floor.
@DrTrefor
@DrTrefor Год назад
This is a great video! I would totally have answered "the doppler effect duh" if asked about this phenomenon before
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
So would've I, for the most of my life:)
@explodingonc2782
@explodingonc2782 Год назад
Damn I love this video. My high school was right under the take-off route of a nearby airport, and I finally know why the sound of planes flyinng over would change when we switched seats in the classroom! A question that has been haunting me for more than a decade finally got answered!
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
That's really cool that you've noticed it for a puzzle that it is! Making this video let me realize how many more situations I've witnessed this effect in (like the one you described, say), yet it never occurred to me to see there a question in need of an answer. On the other hand, it became a bit annoying taking a note of it every damn time, can't unhear it now:D
@RigoVids
@RigoVids Год назад
Same! Although not a decade.
@JohnDoe-fk6id
@JohnDoe-fk6id Год назад
The doppler-effect that you're hearing is from a the howl of the the turbine or compressor, which is a constant tone, rather than the nearly white noise of the efflux coming out the rear of the engine. The white noise gets the delay "resonance", because it is composed of nearly every frequency, while the howl is hardly affected, because it's a pure tone.
@FlyNAA
@FlyNAA Год назад
I wouldn't be Kramer-ing in to random internet discussions with this, but since we're picking apart geeky details... the front part is called the compressor, or fan, but not turbine. That's the part in the back.
@JohnDoe-fk6id
@JohnDoe-fk6id Год назад
@@FlyNAA which is why I mentioned both. Depending on the engine design, the majority of the howl can come from either one.
@FlyNAA
@FlyNAA Год назад
@@JohnDoe-fk6id ah - I misread you
@germaindesloges5862
@germaindesloges5862 Год назад
I used to sit on a rocking chair near a river and every time the rocking would create this going up and down of the frequency. I toyed with it and got the feeling this was weird, because the sound didn't revert to normal when I stopped moving, it depended on my position. Now I understand why. Thanks!
@diggoran
@diggoran Год назад
pretty safe to assume your rocking chair was next to a wall, and the wall was creating the reflection?
@oceannuclear
@oceannuclear Год назад
The spectrogram at 8:09 is SO COOL! Also casually discovering this phenomenon in your daily life rather than is just a massive flex. Well done and congrats on following your curiosity to investigate this! This is a very well produced video, I'm very glad I clicked on this. The broadband noise might be due to mixing of air turbulence behind the aircraft en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_noise while the tone that you can hear/see a Doppler effect of might match the engine RPM (I would be surprised if it doesn't, and would love to know what else might it be.)
@megamaser
@megamaser Год назад
I would expect it to be the number of fan blades multiplied by the revolution frequency, since each blade should produce at least one peak and trough. There would probably be harmonics, and a lot of interference with waves from adjacent blades
@realityassembly7368
@realityassembly7368 Год назад
Aka comb filter. very well made video on this topic. Haven't heard anyone talk about the evennes and oddnes of it. You can then think about this phenomena with regards to waveforms, Sawtooth and squarewave then become quite interesting.
@DiveTheseClips
@DiveTheseClips Год назад
The quality of this video is on par with many much bigger channels, and it teaches a thing I had no idea about despite having been watching sci-pop for years. The graphical aspect is superb, exactly what is needed to explain such a complex topic. Amazing job!
@michaelhanford8139
@michaelhanford8139 Год назад
8:00 i can hear both phenomena there! Wow that's awesome! Thank you sir for this video.
@kabotteam
@kabotteam Год назад
5:15 An experiment that anyone following can do is to blow at finger keeping it in front of face and listen to the reflected noise - it changes in corelation to distance, not to the velocity of the finger. Regarding overall topic of the video: very cool observation and clever explanation! I was intrigued by 3Blue1Brown video regarding SoME2, but not spoiled with the explanation - tried to think about it by myself and did not figure it out :)
@Waffles_Syrup
@Waffles_Syrup Год назад
that's probably more because the velocity of the air changes with the inverse square law
@knurlgnar24
@knurlgnar24 Год назад
I've been baffled by this effect for the past 20 years of my life. Amazing to run across this excellent explanation by random chance today!
@rkalle66
@rkalle66 Год назад
The Doppler effect is still there. But as you're analysing not a tone but white noise with equal frequency distribution it does not matter. Frequency shifting of white noise is still white noise.
@user-nq6kh1ke4e
@user-nq6kh1ke4e Год назад
If you use "white" light for the double slit you will see a rainbow pattern (similar to a prism). This is actually used in scientific for spectral analysis. Search for "diffraction grating" if you are interested.
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
I enjoy using CD this way to watch the solar spectrum. There is something mesmerizing in its pure pattern of fine lines:)
@liamquinn
@liamquinn Год назад
Really interesting! I have always thought Doppler as well. in music production /sound design this effect is called comb filtering.
@christophermadsen340
@christophermadsen340 Год назад
Thanks for creating and sharing this great video. This is one of the most interesting things I've learned recently.
@BillySugger1965
@BillySugger1965 Год назад
Outstanding description of this fascinating effect. Thank you!
@raico6890
@raico6890 Год назад
I was searching an explanation about plane sounds for months, thanks for making this video!, learned a lot.
@Graydon9
@Graydon9 Год назад
I've been wondering about this for years after moving to a house under a popular high-altitude flight path; this video was so well done explaining the phenomenon while also fostering an interest in science. Thank you very much for making this!
@zenithparsec
@zenithparsec Год назад
Thanks! This was an amazing description of the phenomena and the cause. Please make lots more videos!
@gyur6
@gyur6 Год назад
Awesome video, the recap at the end feels especially good, you are a good teacher 🙌
@techdoc99
@techdoc99 Год назад
Very good explanation and presentation of a phenomenon we’ve all experienced but probably never thought about why it appears this way.
@veyrondarren1064
@veyrondarren1064 Год назад
Great observation and amazing explanation ! Looking forward for more videos by you.
@Shawak9
@Shawak9 Год назад
This question caught me some days ago when I was standing on my terrace and a plane went by above me. I thought, "If this is the good old doppler effect, than why is the pitch increasing as the plane is going past me?" I didn't put much effort into actually thinking about it but you did it for me. Thanks alot for this well put and intuitive explanation.
@harmonicresonanceproject
@harmonicresonanceproject Год назад
Very interesting, it's not unlike 'sample delay' used in audio engineering - and in fact this gives me some ideas to manipulate it in some interesting ways. Thanks!
@crowlsyong
@crowlsyong Год назад
Great graphical representations man. Well done. Subbed.
@skeptiks
@skeptiks Год назад
This feels like a 2blue1brown vid Keep up the good work!
@error200http
@error200http Год назад
2girls1brown
@weylinstoeppelmann9858
@weylinstoeppelmann9858 Год назад
I've wondered about this for so long! It's one of those things that just get shrugged off if you bring it up in a conversation, so I never made the connection. I did see an application for it, a flashlight for the blind. By having a handheld white noise generator that emits in one direction, you could reveal portions of a whole room. Tested it a bit myself, even though I have no training in echolocation I could easily get around a pitch black room and tell if something was there and how far, even the density of it, like cloth vs metal, and it worked better than clicking since it gave you a constant awareness. With a bit of practice, we were able to play catch in a totally dark room, granted the ball had to be something like a beach ball to reflect enough sound
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
Is there something with this "acoustic lantern" that I can google? I knew about the clicking trick, but what you describe seems much more noob-friendly) Will try with a phone I guess...
@daveozip4326
@daveozip4326 Год назад
🎉 I figured this out when I was a kid - took a while but I got the same answer. There is another effect which is equally baffling to start with related to a slatted fence by a road - when a car goes by it can produce a tone due to multiple reflections from each slat - all good fun for the whole family.
@osoreru4381
@osoreru4381 Год назад
Awesome work, I understood both things (doppler and echo) in a practical and entertaining way.
@EPMTUNES
@EPMTUNES Год назад
Super interesting and incredible production value!
@pluspiping
@pluspiping Год назад
Living in a very quiet house with only a few white noise sources, I can sympathize with the author, who discovered this while walking past an AC unit. I always figured "ok it is weird reflections (from the shape of the room?)", but this is way more detailed and useful! It is indeed "weird reflections" but based on angle and distance! Very cool video, thank you!
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
Yeah, in a closed room it becomes more complicated with multiple reflections and complex geometry. For example, it is fun sometimes to walk around the kitchen and nearby, and hear how in some places the hum of a fridge or microwave (or youself:) is much quieter than in others, so you can kind of plot out Chladni patterns on the volume of your home
@A.Raybould
@A.Raybould Год назад
With regard to the distinguishable sounds that do show the doppler effect: jet engines produce sounds with specific pitches from their rotating components - the compressor, fan, and turbine. It is particularly noticeable with low-bypass engines, now only found on high-performance military aircraft, together with a few '60s and '70s airliners and business jets (in those places where they are allowed.) Specific pitches can also be generated by the airflow over the airplane, and particularly when slotted flaps are deployed. Perhaps this accounts for your perception that it is most noticeable with lower-flying aircraft, as the flaps are deployed for takeoff and landing? Another possible explanation lies in the fact that high-pitched sounds are attenuated more strongly than lower ones. This would only hold up if, when listening to a high-flying airplane, almost all of the sound one hears is lower in pitch than the distinct sounds that show the doppler effect. This is an excellent video - science exposition as it should be done, with observation, hypothesis and verification following one from the other in the right order!
@swancrunch
@swancrunch Год назад
that's an incredible video. ngl, i'm here because of 3b1b, but that video has been in my recommended for some time, so it looks like you're on good terms with youtube gods. wish you luck and channel growth.
@joyphobic
@joyphobic Год назад
Subbed. Great video, I always noticed this but never bothered to know the why. Thanks for making this video.
@itsmealec
@itsmealec Год назад
incredible video, never would've thought it was just reflected sound
@colinratcliffe3074
@colinratcliffe3074 Год назад
EXCELLENT - thank you. Always wondered why the frequency goes up as plane goes away.
@TG-to5nf
@TG-to5nf Год назад
Nice, really good explanation of something not often thought of.
@steviewonder9209
@steviewonder9209 Год назад
I've heard the Doppler effect as a jet passes overhead, but never noticed that- yeah, wow- there is a frequency component that rises after the aircraft has passed. 3blue1brown called attention to this (by referring to this very video) and I was really blown away by listening closely to the sounds. I still hear the dominant sound of the decreasing frequency, but thanks to you I also became aware of the rising frequency. Very cool, and thank you for the explanation!
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
I'm really glad to hear it, getting others to share the "aha!" moments in understanding the nature is really satisfying:)
@lfz1nho
@lfz1nho Год назад
awesome video, I loved the editing and explanation
@kharybdis
@kharybdis Год назад
Absolutely brilliant video.
@vladimirstarostenkov4417
@vladimirstarostenkov4417 Год назад
Неплохо. Помню на лабах по физике часто подобные качественные вопросы нужно было разобрать, чтобы сдать.
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
Эх, у нас в школе хоть с теорией было хорошо, практики/лаб содержательных не припомню. Интересно стало; а можете примеры привести?
@vladimirstarostenkov4417
@vladimirstarostenkov4417 Год назад
@@aleksandrberdnikov2439 одну задачку из школы помню. Существует способ измерения силы поверхностного натяжения методом отрыва кольца. Так вот, демонстрируется такая установка, измеряется поверхностное натяжение воды, которое сходится в пределах погрешности метода с табличным значением. Далее в воду помещается анод, а снаружи сосуда - катод, подается напряжение и сила поверхностного натяжения меняется. Далее следует предложение объяснить почему "у воды под действием электрического поля изменяется коэффициент поверхностного натяжения". Злая шутка кроется в чистоте эксперимента: кольцо металлическое и, будучи подвешено на металлической проволоке к прибору, является проводником погруженным в воду, в которой начинается незаметный невооруженному взгляду электролиз :) Еще вопрос вполне доступный школьнику-физику - это про "очки с дырочками", темные такие очки с непрозрачными стеклами, в которых насверлено много дырок по 1-2 мм в диаметре - просто объяснить принцип их работы. Остальное уже в универе у меня было.
@tolkienfan1972
@tolkienfan1972 Год назад
A country that actually teaches their children math and physics. Wish the US did
@mjears
@mjears Год назад
Excellent explanation and illustration!
@johnjoyce
@johnjoyce Год назад
Wow. Really excellent. This should be an intro to audio recording. Miking and mixing are almost perfect extensions from here.
@jontime59
@jontime59 Год назад
My hat off to you, sir. Wonderful.
@solidSchmaltz
@solidSchmaltz Год назад
Beautiful animations!
@ThingEngineer
@ThingEngineer Год назад
Amazing explanation! You deserve more subs.
@Xenro66
@Xenro66 Год назад
Omfg I've been looking for what this phenomenon is and this video finally answered it! I could recreate it with a comb filter/phaser but I never knew why this happens in real life :D
@ed.puckett
@ed.puckett Год назад
Thank you, this was refreshingly interesting.
@TheMasterKillerify
@TheMasterKillerify Год назад
the Berdnikov effect
@antonniedersteiner4377
@antonniedersteiner4377 Год назад
Super! Excellent graphics as well.
@erikziak1249
@erikziak1249 Год назад
This is what the Flanger effect does. You can hear it when you "shhh" near a wall and slowly move toward and away from it. You know that you do not change the sound you are making, but you change the distance to the wall, while your distance to the floor remains unchanged. You hear exactly the same effect when moving. If you stand still, the perceived pitch will not change.
@ThompYT
@ThompYT Год назад
That's what the video says
@Airatgl
@Airatgl Год назад
Very interesting explanation!
@skidrowplo
@skidrowplo Год назад
So, I suppose the summary should be something akin to Forrest Gump's famous line at Jenny's gave - "Maybe it's both. Maybe both is happening at the same time" 😉 Отличное видео с Саша! Спасибо и привет из Австралии!
@Googahgee
@Googahgee Год назад
It’s always crazy to me how common comb filtering really is in the real world, it’s so often used as an extreme effect in produced music but is really just nature at work.
@vintyprod
@vintyprod Год назад
Brilliant. Loved every second.
@hanselpedia
@hanselpedia Год назад
Great explanation, learned something new
@jlchappell
@jlchappell Год назад
This is great information! What I had noticed is that I don’t hear a plane coming until it’s a certain “height” away from me, and I found that strange that it’s not a gradual increase starting as soon as it’s above the horizon. I’m sure there something related here, in that the echo doesn’t happen at low angles.
@NonBinary_Star
@NonBinary_Star Год назад
Such a fantastic explanation!
@conanichigawa
@conanichigawa Год назад
Great video, and great explanation!
@louiscallens4183
@louiscallens4183 Год назад
Very nice explanation. Great video!
@cyndicorinne
@cyndicorinne Год назад
Wow. Nice explanation by way of illustration.
@mykeprior3436
@mykeprior3436 Год назад
Excellent explanation.
@tripham9422
@tripham9422 Год назад
The law of resonance could help us safer operations....thank you for this side way presentation...I was really nonverbal learner until now
@Kezenmacher
@Kezenmacher Год назад
Very interesting video, never thought about this before.. thanks =)
@PilotPlater
@PilotPlater Год назад
Fascinating, thanks!
@senorjp21
@senorjp21 Год назад
The sound of distant thunder also produces the effect of pitch dropping. First you hear high frequencies and the pitch drops as the volume increases. I've thought about that quite a bit and have no explanation.
@Mr0neShotAway
@Mr0neShotAway Год назад
Really interesting, thank you
@sickboi11111
@sickboi11111 Год назад
Great video, thanks
@HelPfeffer
@HelPfeffer Год назад
Wow! This is so interesting
@darkelwin02
@darkelwin02 Год назад
Good old comb filter effects
@theinspector1023
@theinspector1023 Год назад
Excellent!
@playgroundchooser
@playgroundchooser Год назад
I'm just amazed at how small an echo can be perceived by the human ear. 😳
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
Well, it's not about the human ear, it's not like the echo here is more elusive than the original sound.
@Beakerbite
@Beakerbite Год назад
The echo is not much quieter than the source sound. Ground is hard, and especially on concrete, pretty flat. So distortion is minimal. The main reason why echoes you're used to are quiet is due to the inverse square law combined with echoes originating from a distance source, which saps the echo of it's energy. With the echo source being only your height away, it's very close and thus hasn't spread out very far.
@petervanderwaart1138
@petervanderwaart1138 Год назад
The gradients of temperature and pressure change the speed of sound by altitude, and the sound waves are bent toward the side of lower speed. One result is that it's hard to hear the noise of an airplane on the ground from a distance away, but the loudness increases sharply as the plane takes off.
@mihalyponyiczki1855
@mihalyponyiczki1855 Год назад
interestingly enough there's a guitar effect that is called flanging that is often said to sound like an airplane and it works with a similar logic: adding a very slightly delayed version of the signal to the signal itself while slowly changing the delay time. nice.
@silverXnoise
@silverXnoise Год назад
Sounds like the flange effect on guitars. I’m sure it’s produced using sine wave interference in a circuit. Awesome.
@DustinGunnells
@DustinGunnells Год назад
GENIUS!
@therealchayd
@therealchayd Год назад
Very interesting! It may solve why when I hear jets fly near where I live sounds really weird, like you don't hear anything then suddenly you hear a rapid descending white noise, then normal plane flying noise, then the pitch rises sharply and is then cut off.
@danielchin1259
@danielchin1259 Год назад
I just experienced a puzzling pitch shift from an AC unit (as I walked past) and RU-vid recommended this video.
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
A way to develop techno-paranoia :)
@bbrazen
@bbrazen Год назад
Great video!
@yoonseongdo3303
@yoonseongdo3303 Год назад
this is awesome wow
@jjchouinard2327
@jjchouinard2327 Год назад
super cool thanks man
@koenth2359
@koenth2359 Год назад
Very well observed!
@liammargetts
@liammargetts Год назад
Very cool video!
@rpocc
@rpocc Год назад
You’ve just explained the barber pole filtering / phasing effect well known by musicians and well described by mathematicians. Yes, it’s based on variable length delay and mixing direct signal with delayed.
@mihalyponyiczki1855
@mihalyponyiczki1855 Год назад
interestingly enough there's a guitar effect that is called flanging that is often said to sound like an airplane and it works with a similar logic: adding a very slightly delayed version of the signal to the signal itself. nice.
@Beatsbasteln
@Beatsbasteln Год назад
Oh no. I would have thought it's Doppler, too. This experiment proves I need to be a bit more sceptical about the world sometimes
@GTsportscar
@GTsportscar Год назад
I love it
@Scar32
@Scar32 Год назад
god i was trying to find this video a couple months ago thank god i found it
@The0ldg0at
@The0ldg0at Год назад
There is also the differences between the frequencies emitted by the front of the reactors and the back of the reactors. This is most distinctive with war planes flying with afterburners engage.
@iwalkaway
@iwalkaway Год назад
10/10 very good video!
@gokulchandran5586
@gokulchandran5586 Год назад
well explained👍👍👍👍👍
@beefchicken
@beefchicken Год назад
A plane flew over as I watched this video, and I wanted to run outside and lay on the ground
@victorjfmoraes
@victorjfmoraes Год назад
omg, great video
@JohnChampagne
@JohnChampagne Год назад
The sympathetic vibrations of the sheet metal that make up the underside of the wings mostly occur in the lower frequency range. This sound is mostly directed at right-angles to the surface of the metal. I think this is contributing to the effect, if not dominating it. (Lay down on the ground to see if the effect persists, to verify.)
@aleksandrberdnikov2439
@aleksandrberdnikov2439 Год назад
Even if there is a contribution from such effect, it's not the stripy pattern that kinda dominates the spectrogramm. I've checked what you suggested, and couldn't hear the pitch going back up, only the Doppler lowering; so - no, I don't think so.
@tolkienfan1972
@tolkienfan1972 Год назад
Very cool!
@seedmole
@seedmole Год назад
To anyone who has spent time with guitar pedals or synthesizers, it's clearly the phenomenon described as Flanging. Which is very different from the dopler effect which is solely concerned with a pitch shifting, not with interference patterns like this.
@svenb4475
@svenb4475 Год назад
Helicopter flew over my appartment right at the end of this video, good thing i was inside, i would have looked like a fool if i was outside rn.
@deepspacemachines
@deepspacemachines Год назад
that's extremely cool
@soyoltoi
@soyoltoi Год назад
Pretty cool!
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