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Active Processing vs Active Learning | What's the difference? 

Benjamin Keep, PhD, JD
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@AdrianLoomis
@AdrianLoomis 3 месяца назад
now I'm binge watching your contents for studying what is studying
@englishwithanes
@englishwithanes Год назад
Thanks 😊
@iNeFFaBLeSaPiEN
@iNeFFaBLeSaPiEN Год назад
Thanks
@eliaselotmani2805
@eliaselotmani2805 Год назад
Thanks for the video ! From what you say at 2min 20s, can we draw the idea that active learning strategies (e.g. active recall) do not really benefit students who already tend to actively process learning material ? And a similar question, is active recall still superior to "re-reading" when controlling for mental effort ? Is there something more to it than just making the learner work harder ? This question comes mostly from my personal observation of a number of top-grade students, who bearly used active recall nor tests as opposed to just reading the material with very high levels of attention. When I went through some litterature while trying to address this question I mostly ran into the expertise reversal effect, but the latter is way more about previous subject knowledge than actual general performance in learning new material from scratch... By the way your channel is great, I hope it grows quickly !
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
You are confusing several concepts here. Active learning is a TEACHING approach. Sometimes people use this casually to refer to active processing, but that's an imprecise use of language and not how the term is operationalized in the literature (see the citation in the description) Active processing includes both encoding and retrieval processes. What you're talking about is the difference between encoding and retrieval. The benefits of retrieval practice are not limited to simple mental effort. They include things like: knowing what you know so that you can study more effectively and creating better encoding practices (because, if you're testing yourself, you can learn which encoding practices are weaker and which are stronger). That said, there's an important difference between reading (for the first time) and re-reading (as a general study strategy). Controlling for mental effort in re-reading vs. retrieval practice (e.g., free recall, testing, etc.) doesn't really make sense because people consistently rate re-reading as requiring less mental effort than retrieval practice. It's kind of like saying, "would a brick weigh less than an equivalently sized piece of balsa wood, controlling for density?" There are, of course, times when re-reading makes perfect sense. When you are trying to puzzle out the answer to a question. When you don't quite understand something. When you're checking that you got something right or wrong. But re-reading as a general strategy (like "by studying I'm going to open my textbook to chapter 12 and re-read it") is a very poor studying choice. Casual, everyday observations of what students do (or say they do) is not a very good way of measuring effective study techniques. Not only do you not have a complete understanding of what they do - what they do when you don't see them; how much time they really spend on studying; what, precisely they doing when you see them "reading" - but there's also no way of knowing whether they could be using more effective techniques than they are. This is part of the reason why we do research: to get better measurements, to get replicable results, and to understand the mechanisms behind those results.
@JohnDoe-vu8ji
@JohnDoe-vu8ji Год назад
What is active recall then? Is it the same thing as retrieval practice?
@pokvirus5705
@pokvirus5705 Год назад
Subbed, thank you so much
@AbhishekRaj-vf5db
@AbhishekRaj-vf5db Год назад
Great video Benji (😅yeah that’s how I call you)…….I have a question or I need an advice…..recently I’ve been feeling a lot of resistance to revise my exam syllabus ….can you suggest any techniques (other than free recall)
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
I prefer Ben, thanks. Can you clarify what you're asking? I know what an exam is and I know what a syllabus is, but I don't know what an exam syllabus is. Are you a teacher or a student?
@alikarim2345
@alikarim2345 Год назад
I replied to your answer in the last video
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Got it, just replied.
@tayloroxelgren264
@tayloroxelgren264 Год назад
Is it possible you could make a video on cramming? I am aware it is not efficient for learning, but sometimes you just need to do it. Sometimes you are required to learn things that are just part of a check list for a degree but you see no value in learning it long term and sometimes you have just been lazy but still need to attempt to perform well. If one has to cram or is in a situation to cram they may as well be as efficient as possible about it.
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Fair point. For cramming, my suggestion is to try the techniques that memory athletes use (e.g., subject-action-object; method of loci / memory palaces, etc.). They're great for remembering lots of unrelated material in the short-term. The downside is that it takes some training and practice to use them well. I have a video coming up, perhaps in April, that talks about these kinds of techniques and when we should use them.
@phanikatam4048
@phanikatam4048 Год назад
sorry to ask , does excessive masterbation or porn useage lead to decrease ability recall or memory loss or uncomfatable to learn i am facing this now ? i here that all phd and toppers are away from this thing or they do very low like 2 times a month is that true ? thanks in advance
@yaboiavery5986
@yaboiavery5986 Год назад
Excessive masterbation is bad even if it's not bad for your recall, which i'm sure it is. One way of looking at it is it takes up time you could be spending learning.
@SocraticEngineer
@SocraticEngineer Год назад
It doesn't just decrease your ability to recall, it decreases your ability to engage in effort. Anything in excess, whether 'good' or 'bad' is redundant. Get your priorities straight by journaling or meditating. I used to face the same problem as you, and I worked on myself a lot. Now I am way better. You can also check out the works HealthyGamerGG, by Dr. Alok K., Atomic Habits by James Clear, and Deep Work + So Good They Can't Ignore You - by Dr.Cal Newport to set yourself up for some degree of success. There is a neurobiological aspect to this as well. You are flooding your brain with dopamine and serotonin by engaging in pleasurable activities, but since you have been doing this for a while, your baseline level of dopamine is extremely low. I.e. you don't feel motivated enough to pursue long-term goals. To fix that problem, first, you must understand that fixing this is going to take time. Try writing about your experiences, feelings, and, thoughts. Start out by just sitting still for 15 minutes, quit social media (or minimize it). Final statement: You are what you choose to be. Face yourself honestly and tackle your problems one by one. Cheers, hope you're able to turn it all around.
@phanikatam4048
@phanikatam4048 Год назад
@@SocraticEngineer thanks for the info , how many days it took to be normal , yeah in my research i found that , brain downfall the dopamine receptors leads to less pleasure and also due to regular pleasure dopamine low and release of aderline in place of dopamine . result in stress , anxiety etc but i want to know that does top students really avoid that ?? if yes it motivate me to abstain from this addiction
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
The word "excessive" is making a difference here. "Excessive" anything is usually not great by definition. I really don't know anything about the effects of masturbation on learning, although I would guess that, to the extent it relieves stress and encourages good sleep it would be helpful and to the degree that it creates stress and prevents good sleep it would be harmful. Addictive behaviors more generally can impair mood, self-regulation, etc., making learning more challenging. I can't speak to the masturbation habits of my fellow grad students and faculty members, but I highly doubt that "all" of the top people are away from it.
@phanikatam4048
@phanikatam4048 Год назад
@@benjaminkeep thank for the info .... a positive opinion . i am 2017 graduate in mechanical engineering and i am now doing software job ...i am not a student but love to learn a lot and find different way to make more productive and i introspect about habits which will downfall me and adopt new habits which boost me .thank you .
@pat-enz
@pat-enz Год назад
I think active learning has to do with using as many many of your senses as you can. I tell my students to say or sing out loud as they play their instrument. You're sounding a bit horse today. Get well soon if that's the case:-) Health 1st;-)
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Thanks! It was probably just the end of a recording session. : )
@mjr8309
@mjr8309 Год назад
Can you review the study system I have come up with and review its effectiveness and efficiency. Please suggest some points for improvement (if any): 1. Make/Find 3 or more concrete (specific) examples to remember the big ideas. Make sure they are not very similar but share the same big idea 2. Elaboration a. Elaborative interrogation - Ask yourself how and why questions about the idea. Try to answer them yourself. Do this on the main concepts. Ask HOTS questions like how does topic A relate to B and how they together affect the big picture? What would happen if you remove them from the big picture? etc. b. Self explanation - Talk yourself through the chapter. Connect everything and create a mental model. Constantly check for inconsistencies in your mental model. Explain every idea to yourself. c. Draw a labeled diagram representing the (big idea but you can incorporate details in the diagram) idea to help with learning 3. Framework for thinking: a. Grouped - Group ideas together b. Interconnected - Find connections between ideas that are obvious but also make an effort to find connections that are not obvious c. Non verbal - Try to find ways to represent the ideas without using words or without using a lot of words if using words is necessary d. Directional - The ideas must be framed or related in such a way as to understand the flow between them and how they work together and relate together e. Emphasize - Emphasize the big/main ideas 4. Promote HOTS. Compare ideas with other ideas and: a. See how they relate b. See how they fit and work together to from the big picture c. In which situations one is better and in which one the other is better d. See how they relate to other ideas and repeat the process
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
This is fine, but don't take steps without thinking about them. What you want to do at any given point depends on what you're learning and what you already know. So consider how you are monitoring your own learning - what part is that and how do you figure out what to do next?
@mageprometheus
@mageprometheus Год назад
Do you think using AI will enable active learning? For example, study, ask AI some questions, and follow up on what was said to check for "hallucinations".
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
The best example of incorporating AI for learning is Super Teacher (new iPad app), which using language processing models to respond organically to student answers during lessons. But this is done with teacher-designed lesson paths and in consultation with subject-matter experts. From the student side, we have all the tools for active learning now (remember, "active learning," as used in research literature, refers to a way of teaching). No new technology required. Reading actively is just as active as the interaction with ChatGPT. But the approach you propose is not a bad one, especially the last step. : )
@youssoufchamlal
@youssoufchamlal Год назад
You are making a great content, keep up the momentum!
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Thank you!
@TheLeem0
@TheLeem0 Год назад
Hello, do you know if there are any interesting studies on active processing I should read?
@venivini5151
@venivini5151 Год назад
Could you make a video about cognitive load? Would love to have your take on it and how to handle it. Also any one paragraph advise on it?
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Yes, thanks for the suggestion. I mention it occasionally, like in this video (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bKblq_vQKPs.html), but I've been meaning to do a deeper video on it. What to do about cognitive load depends on whether you're a teacher or a student. Teaching is the easier and more relevant case: understand students' prior knowledge (through formative assessments of some sort), identify the key skills or knowledge that underlies what you're teaching, use various techniques to focus student attention on the key skills and knowledge (scaffolding, worked examples, guiding attention and observation of expert performance, telling students what the goal of the activity is, etc.), while reducing forces that would otherwise drain working memory (e.g., "layered" reveals of information, reduced complexity of presentation, increased organization, removal of distracting things, etc.). For students, it's more about learning how to manage one's own learning effectively through recognizing "high load" scenarios, breaking down complex topics, etc. There's less research on this. Cognitive load theory, as a scientific idea, is more complex. Certainly we have working memory limitations and those limitations shape how we learn and how people should teach. But there are also various theoretical and methodological issues with the theory itself. This is a great piece discussing them: De Jong, T. (2010). Cognitive load theory, educational research, and instructional design: Some food for thought. Instructional science, 38(2), 105-134. link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11251-009-9110-0
@venivini5151
@venivini5151 Год назад
@@benjaminkeep Waouw, thanks for the answer.
@mohmeegaik6686
@mohmeegaik6686 Год назад
Thanks Benjamin. I just subscribed after watching a few of your videos.
@kouchiseiyaku
@kouchiseiyaku Год назад
Thank you for making videos. Seldom it is that I leave a comment, but I voraciously watch your videos. I do recall you making videos on motor skills. I have a particular question that I have yet to find in the literature. It seems to be accepted that training one's non dominant hand improves its ability to do a task, but I can't definitively find out whether there's a conclusive study that measures whether said non dominant hand will ever get the same level (or better) of precision as the dominant hand. Have you seen any data on that? Anything particularly noteworthy to consider for left handed individuals?
@pat-enz
@pat-enz Год назад
As far as I know, there is still no conclusive study as of today.
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Like Pat, off the top of my head, I don't know of any research saying that your non-dominant hand would become as good or better than the dominant hand. My guess is that it probably wouldn't (your dominant hand just has such a head start), but there are probably edge cases where it could happen. As far as training in one hand helping the other, that phenomenon is usually referred to as "bilateral transfer," so you might have some luck looking that up.
@kouchiseiyaku
@kouchiseiyaku Год назад
@@benjaminkeep @patenz4559 Thanks for the replies, I suggest reading these papers for more information (if you're interested haha). "Motor cortex and hand motor skills: structural compliance in the human brain" "Handedness Matters for Motor Control But Not for Prediction" If I'm extrapolating the implications from these papers correctly, it seems to imply that the earlier you begin doing the task with your non-dominant hand (assessed by the intrasulcal length of the precentral gyrus) the more likely you are to balance out those differences, but it doesn't seem to equalize ever. If the skill in question is something that requires precision, it seems best to use your dominant hand.
@fardeenahmad4865
@fardeenahmad4865 Год назад
What's a good way to learn in med school where there are so much information to retain...i don't use flashcards and don't have enought time to make them...
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Generally, I would recommend orienting yourself toward sense-making. The human body is a beautiful, complex system: all of the facts you learn occur for reasons and are interconnected to each other, especially in the context of the kind of work a doctor does. Explaining to yourself (and others) how various body systems work and taking practice tests or solving practice problems should take priority over other kinds of activities, IMO. What you're learning in medical school isn't "flat": it's dynamic and useful. If you understand systems at various levels of complexity you are going to remember a lot of the essential information. I would also check out Justin Sung's channel - he's been to med school and has a lot of evidence-based tips.
@mjr8309
@mjr8309 Год назад
What are some ways to use active processing to improve learning?
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
I've got some videos coming out in the next 3-4 weeks about that - one on reading, one on memory techniques (like the memory palace). Also see my old video on free recall: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FatnXnlwAc4.html
@philistineau
@philistineau Год назад
@@benjaminkeep I’m heading into law school and will use your minimal notes / free recall technique. I’m also going to build out mind maps to specially connect and understand the data. I am going to need to learn specific elements though. I’m really looking forward to your videos. I’m going to follow your suggestions.
@artistryeverything
@artistryeverything Год назад
Wow, what a great way to get me to leave a comment 😂 I'm still in the midst of watching all your videos!
@shimrrashai-rc8fq
@shimrrashai-rc8fq Год назад
How do you thoroughly maximize active learning when your social skill is limited and you don't have "on demand" friends you can talk to all the time about arbitrary topics at random whenever you need to, each day every day?
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
I certainly think that thinking collaboratively can be a great thing. But it's very rare to have "on demand" friends like that. There's a lot of good learning that happens on your own. If you can find people that share an interest, that's great. But I don't view that as a fundamental impediment to learning. You might catch me talking to myself a lot....
@est486
@est486 Год назад
Great job mah!
@doc-aj7842
@doc-aj7842 Год назад
Great video as usual By commenting and getting a reply (feedback) now it become active learning 🔥🔥
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Thanks, happy to have you here! Well, maybe we should amend our "commenting is active learning" claim: "MEANINGFUL commenting is active learning". : )
@tommygeraghty-slevin5828
@tommygeraghty-slevin5828 Год назад
Admittedly not really related to the video, but what do you think of Justin Sung's "Mindmapping Technique", and/or his content more generally? Obviously proper encoding practice on its own is useless, but do you think free recall *and* mindmapping has an edge over *just* free recall? On the one hand Justin does seem very legit, but on the other hand the whole mindmapping shtik just kinda smells like pseudo science to me. Anyway, I really enjoy your videos, keep it up, it's nice having someone with actual credentials, and still rather entertaining videos, in this whole RU-vid study bro scence.
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
I have spoken to Justin a couple of times. He's cares about research and reads the literature thoughtfully. Healthy skepticism is always good, too. But Justin is one of the good ones. We might be seeing more research coming out of his organization in the coming years. That said, I don't know that much about the efficacy of mindmapping specifically (and Justin's variation of it). Concept maps, in general, have kind of a medium reputation in the literature, IMO. Sometimes they work okay, sometimes they don't seem that great. I've been meaning to do a deep dive into the mindmapping literature specifically, as you're not the first person who has asked. So maybe in April I'll actually have a somewhat informed opinion. : ) There is a concept that's important called "transfer appropriate processing," which is a little bit related to your question and the topic of this video. The idea is that you can encode knowledge in various ways and the effectiveness of that encoding is not just whether it's deep or shallow, it's also about the match between your encoding method and how you will be asked to apply that knowledge in the future. There are various experiments that support this idea. So if mindmaps are to be effective, then we need to do them with an eye on "how will I be used what I'm learning in the future". Some of the weaknesses of concept maps, I think, comes from user error and lack of knowledge. People don't know how to do the technique very well, but also, let's say you organize your knowledge in one way but that's not the way an expert organizes their knowledge, then you probably have less "transfer appropriate processing". That's why I think it's important to revisit and restructure what we are learning. This helps us revise our organizational schemas (both consciously and unconsciously) to approach more expert, or appropriate, organizational structures. Morris, C. D., Bransford, J. D., & Franks, J. J. (1977). Levels of processing versus transfer appropriate processing. Journal of Verbal Learning and Verbal Behavior, 16(5), 519-533. doi.org/10.1016/S0022-5371(77)80016-9
@tommygeraghty-slevin5828
@tommygeraghty-slevin5828 Год назад
@@benjaminkeep Well, then I'm looking forward to April. Infinite thanks for the extensive response.
@deborahrose648
@deborahrose648 Год назад
Can you do something about how learning is linked to decision making
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Might be a while, but I think I'm going to be broaching that topic in the future.
@Alexstochiveiga
@Alexstochiveiga Год назад
Great video!
@hellobro7134
@hellobro7134 Год назад
Hello great video 😊 can u make a video regarding genetics and learning connections. I would like to know your perspective.
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
I have been working on something looking at IQ and learning for a while. It'll be a long video, and probably won't be out until summer. But it's coming!
@bakeral-sheyab546
@bakeral-sheyab546 Год назад
Keep going
@mrarcade2504
@mrarcade2504 Год назад
Keep up the great work, brother 💪🏾
@benjaminkeep
@benjaminkeep Год назад
Thanks - no plans to stop now!
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