@@thepubquiz3198 the actor probably had nothing to do with the production, release, and naming of this video. It's really hard to grasp that idea, but it's almost certainly true.
One thing she got totally wrong is the voiced 'th' sound. You'd only replace it with a 'v' in the middle or end of words, like "bother", "mother", "with" etc. When it's at the start like with "that", "there", and "then" a strong cockney accent would see it pronounced as a 'd'
I think he did reasonably well in the final readthrough with the coach, and then the "audition" portion he reverted to a lot of the old vocal habits....
Watch the Charlie Brown Cartoon about Fear of Public Speaking. He learned all the techniques of Public Speaking, but when he got up in front of the class he forgot everything he learned. LOL
It goes both ways. There are only a handful of Aussies with perfect American accents, even people like Nicole Kidman messes up saying "no" with an American accent sometimes, never mind the 20 somethings on US tv.
Best Cockney coverage I've seen in a short video - coach knows what she's talking about and the guy did pretty well considering the time constraint (though I'm not sure about the A+...)
Can't really speak to the accuracy much as there's not a lot of cockneys in California but this video was actually pretty good for getting the basic sound transformations. I was able to to do the accent in a d&d npc well enough to not get beer cans thrown at me by other Americans. For me that's good enough
With only 6 hours a better approach would be to go light on the theory and just tell the guy what the lines should sound like. It's not like he's being asked for a coversation; he just needs to recite the fixed script. BTW Erik Singer's accent series on Wired is so much more entertaining and informative.
Received pronunciation accounts for only 2 % approximately. Accent or dialect is interesting topic. But the main thing which really stressed is clarity in speech and understood in conversation irrespective of regional variations. That is my two cents worth view.
Lived in yorkshire all my life, never picked up the stereotypical "broad yorkshire" accent - some would say it's a blessing to have it, some would say it's a blessing to avoid it, it's the same as the cockney accent, it's all preference. Personally I think it sounds ugly most of the time, and I'd feel blessed if I avoided having it. This language coach is amazing at helping people learn it though! Props to her!
I think the accent coach was teaching him something like Estuary English rather than Cockney. A Cockney wouldn't pronounce "round" like that - they'd say "raand the aases" for "round the houses" and "I'm in the bahthroom - I've bin wai'in a good ahf aa-a fo the paa-a shaa-a naa" for "I'm in the bathroom - I've been waiting a good half hour for the power shower now". I've come to the conclusion that it's best to get Cockneys to play Cockneys. It's the hardest accent to imitate convincingly. I live in London and know loads of people who speak like that yet I can imitate other accents so much more convincingly than I can imitate Cockney! Anytime I hear an accent on TV or in the cinema that hasn't quite worked, it's always that one. My favourite is in the TV series "The Boys" where Billy Butcher and his entire family all have hilarious Cockney-gone-wrong accents! Mind you the fellow here literally just had six hours and probably did a darn site better job than some people who've been learning for a lot longer than that!
With this series, I really feel like the accent coach should be talking in the goal accent the entire time. It would allow the student to be more comfortable trying it out and give them a constant target. Generally speaking, I can tell Vanity Fair is trying to capitalize on the popularity of Wired's series with Erik Singer with this series and the Amy Walker video. It doesn't match up. The people just aren't as knowledgeable, and it's a cheap way to steal views.
Who would av realised afta watchin this clip that the American accent derived from English - Mind you, I'm British and I'm totally useless at mimicking regional accents. I can just abou't do a London (Cockney) as it's lazy... if you think (fink) Cockney is bad, try the Geordie (South-East) or Brummie (Birmingham/Midlands). The 'problem' is, is that regional accents can and do change all over our fantastic small island - i.e. My grandchildren were born and are being raised 45 miles away from where I live and we still *sound* different.
Although terrible cockney accent, even if he was spot on he still would have not gotten the part. Bob a married man with children, would not have the mannerisms and voice of Marty. Good actor, but the role would not have suited him.
Everything I know about cockney accents comes from Mighty Boosh characters, Guy Richie movies and uk music stars/celebrities. Yes or no? Seems to me alot of people in the UK can't even fake the accents. Seems odd.
Great coach👍 But this is painful to listen too. He genuinely keeps saying footfall, instead of foughtfall. Americans do tend to turn the accent into more of a caricature, by leaning too much into those otherwise subtle quirks of the cockney accent.
Question for native Cockney speakers, did the two cockney speakers in the end both day that the usual way is to say “better” is to pronounce the /t/ rather than using a glottal stop?? I got confused.
Yeah I can't really understand what they're saying......lol as a cockney/estuary speaker I get that a lot. Mike Reid, the actor comedian is the best example of a proper cockney accent in my opinion.
That was pretty decent for 6 hours... says an American. I'd love to see what Marty can accomplish accent-wise if he spends thirty days on an accent instead of cramming on the day of the audition!
Everyone's a critic. I would suggest he got much deeper down in the chest below the diaphragm, (all the way down). Really go for more glottal stopping on that schwa, like, "UH" "UG", get those knuckles dragging on the floor, and throw in a nice aggressive "Oi, wot'you looking aht?". Check out Papa English. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1WvIwkL8oLc.html
I wonder if it's morally wrong to hire an accent coach to learn a Cockney and RP accent, mainly as a lifestyle change than for an acting gig... And then have them help you maitain it throughout your life.
Don't want this to sound homophobic, but he just needs to change the tone of his voice a bit more. There's too much chipiness and high notes the way he talks. Sure he's a great guy, but actingwise, you've gotta make your voice sound a bit more masculine.
*Gets into costume to make a more believable working class, poverty-stricken family man... ...wears golden earrings and his flat-cap tilted back to showcase a fashionable groomed hairstyle*
