A Great Pilot, a Great guy, a Great Captain, a brave guy & certainly was the RIGHT guy to have in this aircraft at this unfortunate moment & certainly a guy who deserves more recognition for what he & his copilot did, enough said......
WOW ! What a great and amazing story & Interview .Great story that the pilots were able to land the Citation jet w/2 flamed out engines . No injuries & damage to the fuselage .
Bruce Monnier: an otherwise Regular Guy doing his Regular Profession, dealing with a Non-usual Occurrence, resulting in Regular Results while Passengers were Largely Unaware of Potentially Catastrophic Results. Confident, Analytical, Controlled, Humble. THAT is all, Incredible. Well Done & Bravo to you Sir. Excellent interview.
I have always wanted to learn to fly. At 67, I decided to go to learn. I loved the experience. Most of all, I gained a ton of respect for pilots who do this every day. This was a tremendously inspirational video. Life and death in such competent hands. I am in awe.
I very glad too see this interview. Such is decidedly rare in the aviation world. I’ve had my failures and mistakes over the years and know one has ever asked me except close friends. We all learn from these events and need to especially ones with a very good outcome.
Great job on landing the Citation Glider. I have to say I was a little surprised when you said there is no checklist for a dual engine flameout. The Challenger 300s and 350s that I fly have both immediate action memory items plus a checklist just such an emergency, although it is not normally practiced in the sim. And as I recall the Learjet 40s and 45s did too (it's been more than 12 years since I've flown a Lear and, well, I'm old). Once again, outstanding airmanship, hats off to ya. SteveD328 23,000 hr ATP
Great video and very knowledgeable. After this incident they should make an emergency procedure for such jets, in case, God Forbid, this were to happen to another pilot. They will be able to know what glide speed etc. they should use. This should be a must. Thank God the pilot was so cool and calm without knowing any correct procedures to follow. Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge.
Oh my Heavens. I cannot believe I actually saw this video. I work for Cummins Diesel engines diagnostic tech support. I received a call from a ground crew member about DEF in the wrong storage tank at his airport and got distributed into the Jet A. If I remember all the details I will comment again. Great video to learn from.
This was the flight you heard about. 3 planes were contaminated that day. Only one lost both engines. A second lost one and a third just had power loss. You can see which one got the most DEF and which had the least.
I bet he was wearing his superman cape that day. If he wasn't he has earned one. What a cool unpretentious and humble guy. He's the kind of guy you would enjoy spending a cup of coffee with. God bless you Bruce you are blessed of God and a blessing from God. I just cheered constantly as you accounted your emergency and noted how you did not freak out but rather took it just like "Well another day at work, Job 1 get us on the ground safe, keep it together think and act to get this aircraft on the ground in one piece as close to normal as I can" Kudos my friend I love flying and you gotta bet next time I do I'd be honored to find you are the PIC on my flight.
Amazing video, thanks 4 posting. One big thing after watching many RU-vid gatal accidents & learning from fatal crashes & what not to do. I was asking why there isn't more incidents that were actually Successful We can all learn from. In Sports. Music & Business you learn from & model Successful individuals. We need more Successful outcomes from major incidences. My guess is since they aren't catastrophic events where all major news first goes to the6 are just as valuable to watch and learn from. Again, thanks for going out of your way to posts.
With 13,000 hours of jet time, luckily, I have never had an engine failure. That said, when one engine shuts down for no apparent reason... pray it's not a fuel issue and get it on the deck asap.
Wow..... that's nerves of steel to realize you're deadstick coming in.... Dad flew several missions where his P51 was out of fuel and they coasted into the field... landing deadstick two by two due to fuel constraints..... not an ideal situation! lol...
I also lost an engine do to fule on a single engine Comanche out of Chattanooga do to bad fuel me and my father toke off and lost the engine at 1200 feet in full IMC and made it back to the airport barely lol. It is a very scary situation and it definitely makes you think God you know that airplane and systems you got. Nice job.
Bruce is in a league of his own, yet his resemblance to Jocko Wilnick in both appearance and demeanor is striking. Aviation and the world in general need a lot more men like him.
Nice video, great airmanship!!! I am wondering why there is no glide speed and ratio in aircraft flight manual (as Baron refered)...he was trying to calculate all these numbers by his experience..very strange
First of all congratulations on a fantastic job. The best in Bruce came out when it needed to come out. Kudos. Now speaking of systems on the Citation while it’s true he had no hydraulics with the engines out, you can engage the starter motor to spin the hydraulic pump to bring down the gear and flaps as needed. Before using the nitrogen dump, that was also an option.
I used to fuel, buy prist by the can and make them pump it that way. They won't like it, and it is more expensive, but the real only way to watch them and verify the source.
if DEF is similar to Adblue it forms crystals that can be quite large. It can form these just from being too old. My father works at a diesel bus workshop and they clean engines of Adblue crystal/slush all the time.
Complacency leads to incompetence. In all aspects of life. Texting and driving is a perfect example of. The list really goes on forever. Trainning plays a huge role as well but a panicked mind can and will ruin any tranning one might have. This is one of my fears about becoming a pilot. I operate many pieces of equipment for work and obviously a vehicle. I take it very seriously. There's something about being miles high/ or just being in the air that fascinates and terrifies the living crap out of me. Trouble with an aircraft is always in the back of every pilot and passenger. Great job on handling the situation and taking the importance of aircraft systems and function dead serious. This is the best outcome possible
Very interesting. I enjoyed this video very much. First time on the Baron Pilot video. I am a fan of Jamie and Kevin 310 Pilot. I think I have seen most of theirs.
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Doesn’t the military require fuel sample tests before flight? Our CH-46 Helicopter flight was cancelled off the aircraft carrier, due to contaminated fuel. A qualitied test is needed.
I was very surprised and kinda pissed when he said he didn't care why the 1st engine quit. That seems like a dumbass way to approach a malfunction. What if there was something he could have done to save the 2nd engine?
I have 2 questions. 1. Did the DEF cause major damage to the engines, or was it a simple mater of drain the bad fuel and replace it with new fuel? 2. If it did require an overhaul on the engines did the people who supplied the contaminated fuel pay for repairs?
Pilots... The only people in the world bringing you hours of boredom and moments of terror so calmly no one knows the difference. Nice job, great flying, excellent interview. Thanks!
Pilots and Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists (or Anesthesiologist's). Only, I wouldn't call it Terror...as long as one knows what he/she is doing no need to be terrified. An exception may be a dual engine failure over water with icebergs in it (and no way to make a dry landing). :-)
Prist has a far different smell than DEF which has a choking smell of ammonia 70% +30% water. It will coat the fuel screens causing the engine to starve of fuel.
I was there, just finishing up a flight lesson at KSAV. Certainly caused a bit of excitement on the ramp that's for sure! It was about THE smoothest landing I have ever witnessed, great job in bringing it in that smooth! As far as media, it was reported on the Savannah local news that evening..But nothing on the national news outlets as far as I know..Good job, Bruce, in fulfilling your promise to the nervous flyer passenger!
Heard this on AOPA podcast, thanks for getting the video interview! I believe that Bruce also had the presence of mind to alert his company to relay to the other Jet that fueled with him in FL as they were likely going to be same issue and they did divert without symptoms but went flame out on short final too! Hero is right Mr Baron Pilot. Great job Bruce and Co-pilot.
This reminded me of something when he said he had a nervous flyer on that flight. I used to do volunteer medevac flights out of Boulder County, Colorado for the company I worked for. We’d normally haul printed data and support hardware and software between various stations around the region. So one night I got a call to see if I would volunteer transport a liver transplant recipient and his wife to SLC where there was a matching donor. The guy was super cool and thankful. But his wife........she was a pain in the ass. She told us about 10 times before we had even taxied out to the departure runway how much she was afraid of flying and hated it. After we were airborne, she would scream at even the slightest bit of turbulence. At one point she was even yelling at her husband for getting her into this. I felt so bad for him. Mind you: the man was going to a hospital to get a new liver and his wife made it all about her. Lol. After we landed and as they de-planed, not even a thank you from her. But her husband said, “I’m so sorry about that”. That poor bastard. Cheers!
Mike Patton damn. Sounds like my X wife. That bitch cussed me out when I got my M.S. diagnoses. I left her a year later. I wasn’t gonna put up with that. I am much happier now and have a wonderful woman that is concerned for my health and all the things someone in your life is suspose to do. My health improved after I left her from the stress of her constant bitching.
@@rbmwiv I understand what you're talking about right there. I've thought about my health and asked myself if it would get better just by getting away from mine.
Some people are extremely afraid of flying. She should have stayed home but probably wanted to be there with her husband despite her fears. So, you have to understand her actions. Not everyone is like you.
@@rbmwiv Ya, my ex was like that, laughed when i got injured, yelled at me when sick, lol. So deep in my rear view, a life well-lived is the best revenge. Hehe.
My experience of flying airlines for 30 yrs, i was shocked that he didn't inform his pax about a duel eng. failure. But when he commented about not wanting to hear screaming passengers in the back, I get it. Especially in a smaller cabin acft. I could envision the chaos. Great job. You can tell that's a cool cat under pressure. Great story.
Good idea Bro. Good luck in your PPL training. I'm not a pilot, i just follow all these guys because i eventually want to do it also. Hope you have a happy holiday.
Actually for me it's exactly what he says towards the end..learn each new crafts capabilities, including what if both engines are out? Had some ribbing when I asked that long ago, but still won't apologize for it, and his suggestion that all pilots learn those capabilities is something that I truly hope each pilot takes away from this.
@Freedom4U - Stay calm, the rest of the time too - And yes, the irony of panic is that it tends to fulfill the outcome that it's supposed to protest. Its a state of mind, something between discipline and thoughtful consciousness - it's neither cold nor cool ("ICE"); it's simply allowing the rational process to operate unfettered.
Amazing and heroic story, truly inspirational. The first and only guy to fly a Citation glider to the air field! I am impressed.That's one you won't ever forget. ;-) Well done sir!
@@zdlinden Care to explain that "unprofessional" comment or shall we just file you in the "baseless accusations and groundless complaints" folder with Donnie boy?
Having had a career in the fuel business I found this very interesting and informative. Many complements to the pilot and co-pilot. Hopefully this led to better fuel handing procedures.
I actually had a genuinely unexpected "emergency" flying my simulator! Using a downloaded "freeware" aircraft, I staged an engine failure at altitude 90 miles south of Gulfport/Biloxi in a light twin. After turning back to the airport, I used the autopilot to lighten my workload. At night, lights all on, radios, etc.... About 40 miles out I lost everything! Lights, radios, autopilot, everything! Turns out one engine couldn't keep the battery charged, and I fried that alternator almost immediately, then killed the battery. That was the second "oh shit" moment. The third one came on base when I started setting up for landing... late setup due to severely underpowered and heavy.... and I realized flaps and gear are electric!!!!! I went from a staged failure in one engine, but didn't know when or what exactly would fail... to an unexpected total electrical failure, at night, into a busy controlled airport... to a gear-up no-flaps landing at near gross weight! I nailed it!!!! But I discovered that you can genuinely learn something on Flight Sim X!!!! I was sweating and mildly shaking after that one!!!
I only got my private license, but I just assumed everyone practiced dead stick landings, guess it goes to show how rare it is. Although I can think of two airlines along with this one that got to learn.
I have no idea if the guy in this video has any glider time, but glider experience is a BIG help in maintaining control, planning, attitude and expectations if you have a total engine failure. Experience in flying machines other than what you normally fly WILL transfer and help out in situations where you never expected it to. I would always laugh when the folks administering a checkride or even just a training event would comment about how much in a "no fun/no big deal" manner glider pilots were able to handle total engine failures and hit their landing spot pretty much EVERY time! TRAINING, TRAINING and more training/practice, not to mention habit transfer can really be good things in spite of a thing called "negative habit transfer" that can also aggravate things!
Amazing. I am sitting here , type rated in the Citation V and when you said not knowing your systems..... yeah, I’ll admit I don’t fully know my systematic of what will, and what won’t work in the unlikely event that I will ever have to go thru a dual simultaneous engine failure... I think by the end of the month or middle of next month I will have the systems etched into my memory. I already started researching my type fuel systems. Most definitely puts things into a higher perspective for me. Baron Pilot, I’ve been following you for a couple years now, I enjoy your videos immensely & I think this one has got to be the icing on the cake. Bruce, you truly are a hero. I have never heard of anyone (other than NASA) pulling off what you did. I hope your patient was grateful even though she’s terrified of flying. Maybe she’ll go up with you again..... hope she got or gets better from whatever she had/has wrong. Captain Bruce and Captain Baron Pilot: Clear skies and safe landings sirs.
Michael R. Jacobson I’m glad you took this story to heart and are improving your knowledge because of it. We appreciate you watching our videos and hope you continue to love them!
I have never been as glued to a RU-vid video as I was watching this. Really interesting. I love how the passengers never noticed the other engine quitting. Probably for the best. So great to hear how a professional pilot handles critical situations.
No power sucks. BTDT in a caravan ifr, The audio of that is on my channel. Didn’t get to the airport, but lucked out anyway. Busted out at 800’ and saw a field that was handy about 3 miles from the runway. As Max Smart said, “Missed it by this much!”
As a retired Part 121 (heavy) A&P, I have a few observations. First, I listen to the differences on how PIC's handle EM situations on channels like VAS Aviation. Bruce, you are a "steely-eyed-missle-man" of pilots. You handled that situation like the best of the 121 drivers, NASA astronauts, etc. Second, hats off the Cessna on this aircraft. I have been of the opinion that there seems to be too much "push" on computerization/fly-by-wire in aircraft. MCAS is a prime example of that IMHO. Cable control allowed the crew to maintain positive control. Last, it is absolutely inexcusable that ground vehicle fluids were able to be contaminated into aviation fuel. When I worked in/around POL in the Air Force, we had strict proceedures to prevent this from happening. The airport authorities I've worked with, that were responsible for aviation fueling have these in place too. It would appear that the FBO (if they were the one responsible for this) was clearly negligent. There are proper protocols for them to follow. Hope the FAA drops some serious repercussions on whoever was responsible. Clearly this could've ended in disaster. Kudo's to all who worked to make this a happy ending.
Yes, the 'housekeeping' in the fuelling operation was dreadful, there should have been procedures in place to prevent any possibility of DEF (or any associated equipment) from getting anywhere near aviation fuel. This is a scary problem when you run ground fuel systems alongside aviation fuel systems, it needs 110% focus on detail from everyone in the fuelling operation.
It amazing that just a small amount could cause the flame out when you look at the total fuel on board but then I have no way of knowing if it was just a few ounces or a few galleons mix in with the fuel and its possible if it was a few galleons it may have not mix with the jet fuel and like a heavy oil and remain together and then was pump close to full strength into the engine Its all so possible a new person made the mistake sad but possible
@@terriecotham1567 There are no valid excuses or reasons for this, as this incident clearly shows fuel is a critical element of flight, every aspect of the fuelling operation has to be managed with that in mind. Having spent 30 years in fuelling ops myself I am appalled that any operation could be so badly managed that this could happen.
@@jeta1f35 but in life there is all ways the wild card and good people on the job help keep the sky's safe Thanks for your hard work I love y tube for it allows people to see things that may help them in life and there job6 Your word's have wisdom
Diesel exhaust fluid refers to ADBLUE. In Aviation Diesel is not commonly used although it was trialed in the 1920's-1930's. Some manufacturers are designing new diesel engines for aircraft today, however ADBLUE or DEF would reduce the limited power to weight ratio already produced by diesel engines in comparison to Avgas etc. So the Acronym will never be used in Aviation specifically as "DEF". I'm only a Private Pilot becoming commercial so please correct me if I am wrong. Kind regards.
You missed the entire point by a mile. The conversation they had while flying said that the Dual Engine Failure (DEF) was caused by Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF). Nothing more - nothing less. Don’t read things into my comment that aren’t there mate.
@@daviddefelice6997 Oh I truly apoligise mate, I honestly missed that part of video and no offence was intended towards you in my comment. I was not trying to correct you or be-little you sir, I researched the 2 Acronyms you mentioned and it taught me some history about the Diesel Engines once used and currently being developed in Aviation. Which as a Student Commercial Pilot and former trade vehicle mechanic I did not previously know this info. So thankyou for the educational push and thankyou for calling me out on myself being rude in my comment, once again it was not my intention. All the best mate, Kind regards.
Thankyou @@daviddefelice6997 for accepting my apology! I actually meant to reply , "Saying just how true and humorous your initial comment was". There is some strange coincidence going on there lol. Thankyou for your kind words mate, I will always do my best. I'm glad I wasn't too offensive towards yourself, my silly error, now a perfect lesson I say. Although I always do prefer learning from others errors hahaha :) All the best in the future ;).
Wow what a story But, @baronpilot the way you interviewed and presented this to us literally blew my away Carefully extracting the info from the pilot without leading him or interrupting was just perfect Thank you for bringing this story to us 🙏🏼
great interview. one thing that usually annoys the shiznit out of me is when an interviewer asks a question and then constantly interrupts the person who is trying to answer the dang question (listen up, other aviation youtubers!). even little things like "uh huh' and "right, right, uh huh" while someone is trying to speak is so effing annoying. you didn't do that, you asked the question then let him answer, so very well done. that's just my stupid little feedback for ya.
Had many ,many emergencies in thousands of hours of flying..one thing I learned is,,,if you are well trained and confident..all emergencies happen in slow motion...when untrained or weak..things happen fast.
Chris, that was a fantastic video. Probably your best work. It flowed so well and of course, was interesting as hell. I really enjoyed it. Great Job. Thanks so very much for the extra effort you take to make your videos not only fun but informative.
@@tonylewis1771 True. All I was trying to say was that the pilot must know all there is to know about his plane. For example, the pilot should know what happens to a particular system when he pushes a particular switch or moves a particular lever that controls another system. Obviously, if there is no information about two engine out situations and then, it reverts to common sense and luck. All planes are so different that the volume of information one needs to fly one particular airplane is almost impossible to know. The big ones have com links to people who have a lot of information but even if this guy had a link to Cessna, it likely do him no good.
I'm reminded of that little joke about wanting to die like my father: quietly, calmly in his sleep, not screaming, crying, and clawing at the windows like the passengers in his car.
@@howtocooper741 Just that if they were destined to *ahem* end....that it would likely be better to be completely unaware of the coming end than fully aware and screaming yourself hoarse, trying to claw your way through half-inch Plexiglass ports LOL
Imagine if this had happened sooner after takeoff rather than at FL 350. So fortunate that the contamination took so long to damage the engines and they had that energy available. Crew did a perfect job. PIC exudes calm and confidence.
I(CJ2) got fueled from the same APF truck at the same time as those guys and had a voicemail when I got on the ground asking if we had any fuel issues. Sumped the tanks and filters and all was ok. Then some dealing with the FAA before it got traced back to PGD. Glad I didn't get caught up in it. Great job with the landing!
extraace it ended up hitting 3 planes, but we are so glad it didn’t get into more or have any deadly issues. All the pilots did a great job avoiding possible catastrophic issues.
