AD Harris/Murray/Peterson Discussion: London

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This is the fourth video of the four-part debate that Sam Harris and I undertook in June 2018.
Sam and I met twice in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, with Bret Weinstein moderating, for a third time in Dublin, Ireland, and for a fourth and final time in London, England. Douglas Murray joined the debate with us for the latter two occasions.
Video 1: Vancouver: bit.ly/2OlRZUa
Video 2: Vancouver: bit.ly/2CUQT0g
Video 3: bit.ly/2CUa0HG
Video 4: bit.ly/2On6Y0a
Sam is a well-known Enlightenment rationalist, and a prominent atheist - one of the “four horsemen,” along with Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens (now unfortunately deceased) and Daniel Dennett. He believes (1) that our ethical systems should or even must be grounded in something other than arbitrary revelation or opinion; (2) that the world of facts can and should provide that grounding; and (3) that the grounding of values in fact can occur in the absence of much perceptual or cognitive intermediation.
I agree with him with regard to point (1) but not point (2) and (3). I won’t present any of my argument here, however, because Sam isn’t here to respond, as he is in the videos.
I have also written three blog posts on the Harris/Peterson discussions, here:
1. jordanbpeterson.com/philosoph...
2. jordanbpeterson.com/philosoph...
3. TBA
A note on the release of the videos, and their delay: Any event of this scale occurs because of the collaboration of many people, including, in this case. Travis Pangburn and his staff at Pangburn Philosophy, who organized and promoted the four-part debate series, and who incurred substantial financial and reputational risk in doing so (as nothing like this has been attempted before at this scale). None of us were sure at the outset whether Sam and I would manage a useful discussion, let alone four of them, or whether there would be a positive public response. In consequence, we didn’t spend much time before the debate series thinking about release (or formatting/editing) of video or audio recording. Since the events went well, however - appearing both productive and well-received publicly - we decided to move ahead with the production and release of the recordings. The team at Pangburn Philosophy completed the editing, in consequence. Sam and I agreed to allow the initial release behind Travis’s Patreon paywall, for a two-week period, after which we would post the videos for full public access on our respective video platforms, and release the audio in podcast form. The team at Pangburn Philosophy plans to use some substantial portion of what was raised through Patreon subscription for multi-language translation of their previously produced and future content (including these four debates).
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Sam Harris Podcast: samharris.org/
12 Rules for Life Tour: Dates, Cities and Venues: jordanbpeterson.com/events/
My new book: 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-...
My first book: Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-m...
Dr Jordan B Peterson Website: jordanbpeterson.com/
Self Authoring Suite: selfauthoring.com/
Understand Myself personality test: understandmyself.com/
Blog: jordanbpeterson.com/blog/
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@aeswhtp 5 лет назад

Sam: They're guiding fictions. But they're still fictions. Jordan: They're guiding fictions. But they're still guiding.

@unknownsource5787 5 лет назад

Hahah well put. Jordan is more right tho, they served for something so they are good and should not be merely be thrown out as fiction after having guided us.

@PoopiteeScoop 5 лет назад

This should be pinned.

@bootyman234 5 лет назад

@@unknownsource5787 It's not the fact that they are fictions that is concerning, it's the fact that the fictions are acted upon as if they have more utility than they actually do. And Jordan's pragmatism is too intermittent.

@seanseah333 5 лет назад

@@bootyman234 "acted upon as if they have more utility than they actually do" and what is the issue there? ok maybe people become over fictitious for acting on fictions that lead them to greater good, personally I don't see it an issue. Maybe you might want to expound on that and the comment on jordan's pragmatism? Appreciate that.

@bootyman234 5 лет назад

@@seanseah333 What I was trying to convey, is that while myth does indeed serve as a guide of sorts to what may be thought of as proper living, there are aspects of life (especially 21 century life) and the human condition that aren't really effectively addressed. And what I mean by that, is Christianity, for example, directs the aspirant to have faith as the primary source of strength and even understanding! when dealing with said human condition. But! Anyone who is or ever was a proponent of this ideology, knows that faith "alone" cant provide the transfomative power necessary for change! YOU gotta put in the work. The saying "God helps those who help themselves" has always been so transparent to me. Your helping yourself, is the only actual help you're getting. And then we have prayer. We know now as common knowledge, that the only ACTUAL utility prayer MAY have is strictly psychological at best. Because praying for the ability to control your temper, say, pales in comparison to speaking with professionals who can explain to you how to do it, and perhaps even why it may be especially difficult for you in particular! Christianity is seemingly more about deeds, rather than emphasis on a transformation of consciousness. And with regard to the "greater good" I'm not sure I ever really understood exactly what that's suppose to mean. "Good" whatever that means, should be good enough. Greater good sounds like needless hyperbole, and good itself is a seemingly relative term. And lastly, to Jordan's pragmatism. I say it's intermittent because he can make use of it to a point, but when it yields no definite conclusions, rather than saying "I don't know", he goes off on emotional tangents reflected in how prone to ideation he is; Then we have to endure abstract and convoluted concepts about the metaphysical substrate of our ethos! JEESUS! =) P.S. Hats off to you for asking your question in such a civilized manner. Not many can pull that off when discussing such feather ruffling subjects.

@texcohen9802 3 года назад

A Canadian, a Brit and an American walked into a room....

@deamorta6117 3 года назад

@@RoddyPipersCorneas hahahaha nice

@goatamongsheep4296 3 года назад

@@RoddyPipersCorneas Could you make those burgers plain=no cheese? If yes you got a deal.

@zettelkastendev3760 3 года назад

... a void

@deeb3272 3 года назад

@@RoddyPipersCorneas dont forget to add some drinks while you are at it

@McconneIIRet 3 года назад

@@RoddyPipersCorneas Jordan Peterson at this point spends more time in America anyway.

@ryanside7095 2 года назад

Teacher: “No talking in class” Me and the boys in the back of the room:

@Elstocks21 2 года назад

Hahahha should def be on the top of the comment section

@happybolt5426 2 года назад

this is so fucking hilarious

@OctoBox Год назад

Make sure you make your bed and standup straight and be controlled dangerous men -- by-the-by -- and then you can be disruptive.

@Henning102 Год назад

Douglas as moderator was a real stroke of genius. I'm so impressed by him.

@words007 Год назад

dougles had so much fun watching 2 gients sparring it out in front of him, i wonder why we dont see it more. please JP please Sam do it again

@havocgr1976 3 месяца назад

Well, he is an atheist that believes in the necessity of keeping religion alive.He was perfect for this.

@kinos3rs358 3 года назад

Stumbled upon this in 2018 and instantly knew I was too stupid to make any sense of it. Two years later my room is cleaned and I'm finally smart enough to extract something out of this incredible talk. What a journey!

@lacylu5668 3 года назад

Awesome! Congrats 👏🏽

@magneticflux7833 3 года назад

Right. It's amazing to keep up. Finally we are no longer " the left behind people"

@dearbrave4183 3 года назад

Wow! So true and very relatable!

@AriesTheCam 3 года назад

You're not lying. When I first heard either of these men speak I was too dim to actually grasp onto any modicum of understanding. Now it somehow sounds like any other conversation. Granted you go in with the forethought that these men speak on a completely different wavelength than the vast majority of the human population.

@shevchenkoyev 3 года назад

good man !

@jamiekloer6534 5 лет назад

I never felt he was trying to make me believe in god. It helped me to understand where the idea of god came from and respect that.

@penelopehunt2371 5 лет назад

Totally perfectly summarised

@advocate1563 4 года назад

I believe he tries to help us believe in the infinite as distinct from the finite. For some people that might be God: for others Gaia. The important thing is its transcendent nature. Without a belief in something bigger than ourselves we're faced only with nihilism because we know our own busted flush.

@gb4375 4 года назад

I also believe Peterson helps us to consider that religious teachings have provide *some* good and important components to society. As well, there is some evidence that this has some link to neuro/psychological sciences. Believe in it or not is irrelevant, it has contributed to our social experience.

@rossclouting1289 4 года назад

Perspective in polarity, excellent!

@konroh2 4 года назад

But in what ways are ideas connected to reality? We can't say theism was just an idea. It's the idea that it's connected to what is.

@3v3b28 2 года назад

I can't believe surviving almost two hours listening to a conversation. Thank you very much to all the speakers, sponsors, audience and organisers.

@ballgms308 Год назад

List to joe rogans podcast it will become a new norm

@johnforeman634 Год назад

I never would have imagined enjoying something like this, but it’s absolutely enthralling. I’ve listened to three of them in a row, and did it while completing an extreme detailing of my car. The recent advancements in technology have no doubt had some seriously negative consequences, but for me today it was awesome.

@DiogenesNephew Год назад

That's exactly when I'd most enjoy listening to talks like these lol Sounds like a blast.

@crawfordroses Год назад

Same, but while washing the dishes & cleaning the kitchen. I now have something to look forward to instead of dread.

@ronpaul9172 4 года назад

Dr. Peterson, you are just flat out amazing. I have a doctorate in Computer Science/Network Engineering and a Master's in Physics with minor in Neuroscience. I like Sam Harris, and like to believe I have a fair understanding of his position...however, YOU are the one I find myself agreeing with more. You are a beautiful human being, don't let your proclivity for potential negative self-reflection get you down. You are by-far the most influential person I have listened to in my entire adult life. Thank you and Sam for your guys' discussions.

@purdyday2195 4 года назад

Yes.

@ronpaul9172 4 года назад

@Naurius I appreciate your input. I'm sure you could imagine, being my age I have had many of my own positions on a plethora of subjects. To say I agree with someone does not mean I don't have my own thoughts on the subject. A good example would be, I have a fair understanding of Quantum Mechanics, I tend to lean more towards m-theory being a good explanation for the linear time conundrum. However, many people think string theory is a better solution. String theory holds much of the same constraints as m-theory but the theory comes to an entirely different conclusion in regards to linear time. At the end, you can't argue that people such as myself and people that believe string theory don't believe in Physics. The presumption is a given, considering they are contemplating a theory housed within the confines of a parent subject, Physics. The same can be concluded in regards to my beliefs, just because I agree with someone on a topic doesn't mean I haven't thought about the topic on my own...it merely shows I have thought extensively and inevitably came to the same conclusion as the person I'm praising.

@bogdanungureanu8655 4 года назад

@Naurius what is a fanboy to you? Stop throwing buzz words around and stick to sensible discourse

@rollsreus3862 4 года назад

@@ronpaul9172 what did u learn about in ur minor in neuroscience? were your studies pharmacological, imaging related?(i.e., diffusion tensor imaging, MRI/fMRI, Ct scans), anatomy/pathology. circuit analysis or more centered on behaviorism?

@ronpaul9172 4 года назад

@@rollsreus3862 Hello Pranav, In my early neuroscience courses, we went over a large swathe of material. First, we studied "how" neuroscientists study the brain, evolution, energetics, the ten-percent myth, neurons and the chemical basis of brain signaling, perceptions, illusions, pain, movement, etc. Halfway through my first course, we went over memory, learning, self-control and willpower, stress and adaptation. We then focused on infancy, early development, aging, genes, environment, etc. Basically, we started out learning the fundamentals. Halfway through, we focused on neural circuit motifs, kinesins, R-C circuits, Binomial distribution, Poisson distribution, calculating neurotransmitter release probability, signal transduction, tyrosine kinase signaling, etc. etc. I had a lot of fun taking those courses, but I will be the first to say I am no expert on the subject.

@AMentorway4u 4 года назад

J.P is so passionate , full of heart and soul, he lays it all on the stage. What a Beautiful mind. Respect Mr .Peterson.

@davideldred.campingwilder6481 3 года назад

why does he?

@jobengals86 3 года назад

David Eldred. Camping Wilder indeed.

@martakonopacka5592 3 года назад

Nno nb. Pc pnpnnoc

@joebuchanan8141 3 года назад

I'm on Sam's side 100% but jp is the man and hope he gets back to full health

@sammienorth5069 3 года назад

Everyone’s gangsta until Jordan Peterson “gets all cognitive neuroscience up on this shhhiiall we”.

@SorrySonny Год назад

I have much love for the both of these men and I want to say that I very much thoroughly enjoyed this dialogue. It’s very interesting to see both sides of life and perception come together as one to discuss an issue which can create a monumental movement which I believe is the one to revolutionise the way we live our daily lives and treat one another - the next giant leap for mankind and humanity itself. To witness this in my lifetime here on Earth astounds me, second to having the ability of understanding this highly intellectual and challenging level of discussion with the two having both great admiration and respect for another is something so rare that it has compelled me to write this which i think is extraordinary. Much peace and love to the both of these human beings and I hope I would be able to see more. The light in my room is not so dark after all. Thank you and Kind Regards.

@colemacedo-phillips5768 Год назад

Beautifully articulated! 🥰💯

@micahwatz1148 2 года назад

This conversation will never get old.

@Eli-yk4ht 3 года назад

"He's probably cheating on me" Me and the boys:

@tommymccraith4670 3 года назад

🤣 🤣 🤣 true

@PoliticalWonderland 3 года назад

😇

@golden0426 3 года назад

i wish the boys can actually do this

@stevengruber57 3 года назад

Haha yep!

@AAllen-br8it 3 года назад

Too real

@johncarter579 3 года назад

The speed with which jordan comes up with incredible contributions here is simply extraordinary

@markdemell3717 3 года назад

Canadians are so underrated and underestimated, hahaha,I like it when they doubt us.

@supers0nic77 3 года назад

@@markdemell3717 maybe long winters help develop the mind.

@markdemell3717 3 года назад

@@supers0nic77 I consider winter a season of reflection or for reflection ,I also believe that the cold is a good stimuli for the whole body ,I go outside in the winter almost as much as I do in summer ,it's invigorating and so beautiful to walk through a crystalized forest of trees ,it causes me to stop and thank the creator for such beauty ,nothing like a crystalized forest to sit down and ponder and just relax.

@DutchmanAmsterdam 3 года назад

@@markdemell3717 Beautiful...but who is that creator you refer to?

@markdemell3717 3 года назад

@@DutchmanAmsterdam My father ,who else? Have a nice day ,I put in my two cents and I really don't care what you think of me .Bye now!

@liz3511 Год назад

What a privilege to listen to three such intelligent and articulate people. The impression I get from all three of them is that, no matter how they currently think, they are more interested in understanding the issues and learning from each other than in being right.

@miguelmolina7969 2 года назад

Gracias por los subs en español. Abrazo gigante para el genio de Jordan en 2022. Espero que se encuentre mucho mejor de salud!

@trunkmonkey4938 3 года назад

Wow, If only our politicians could have discussions like this!

@dannyperez1604 3 года назад

They aren't this smart...

@Alex-kk8is 3 года назад

So true and relevant to the recent debate. If only!

@markdemell3717 3 года назад

The MEEK shall inherit the earth.

@JonahNelson7 3 года назад

Well anyone this smart is smart enough not to become a public servant. There's a fundamental cap in the IQ of politicians because it is insane to want to be a high ranking public official

@mbnall 3 года назад

I think in the next 10-15 years, younger candidates will start doing it, and I think they’ll be doing it on long-form podcasts.

@alexenniekomnist1474 5 лет назад

“When we mature, our image of God changes, but God doesn’t change.” - Carl Jung

@fiddibelow 5 лет назад

My god changes everyday it twist turns and makes life it is our mother it is earth- fiddibelow

@m.d.d4250 5 лет назад

Which is why we cannot define God for ourselves.. we tend to make one in our own image and to our own liking... ending up with an idol.

@itssmorphintime8496 5 лет назад

Beautiful

@king-nick2023 5 лет назад

fiddibelow that’s not God. That’s you being emotional and neurotic

@SupposeKennethed 5 лет назад

is it also possible that when we mature as a civilization, our knowledge of what's true changes, but truth doesn't change?

@chris432t6 2 года назад

Douglas summed it all up at the end. Beautiful and thought provoking. Thank you.

@jeffreeroof939 Год назад

Thank you for having these conversations. Through these engagements we can formulate a way forward. Civil discourse, the essential path to understanding.

@chipheuston4064 3 года назад

As a teacher, JBP speaks like a flowchart it's insane how he just keeps going and strings things together. So great to follow.

@ihatecommunism9958 3 года назад

He has a real knack for breaking everything down, which is a sign of his great intellectual capabilities.

@MK-pt9zt 3 года назад

Exactly.

@catalinsandor5608 3 года назад

Lucky that you can follow him @_@ Amazing brain indeed

@MK-pt9zt 2 года назад

@@Johnwilkinsonofficial Never heard him say such things.

@hospice8896 2 года назад

@@Johnwilkinsonofficialhe actually turned me on to Daoism

@shredzepplinec5874 4 года назад

I’m praying for you Jordan. Get well and give us more of this. It’s helped me so much.

@sybo59 4 года назад

Beyond the practical advice to get your shit together, Peterson is worse than useless. It’s good if he helped you, but I’d encourage you to not stop with him.

@tenacious__b7937 4 года назад

sybo59 you can’t just make a blank statement like that and just expect people to listen to you

@Yosoyelram 4 года назад

A podcast with her daughter is just out

@zyzzbodybuilding 4 года назад

You must be over the 🌒!

@dwightwalls1544 4 года назад

You realize that Jordan is saying that the majority of the people are stupid and we need religion because these people have the ability to rationalize but they don't and religious people have been proven over and over to have a lower iq

@samakvan119 10 месяцев назад

Sam Harris really changed my life in terms of critical thinking. I was born and raised in Iran, where religion plays an important role in the masses' daily grind. His insightful debates and books illuminated a lot of facts to me .

@nurshe3394 2 года назад

I love you both Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. It is indeed such a pleasure and we have to be thankful that such giants can meet and have discussions. Exchange ideas and points of view will open our hearts and minds for new better ideas and thoughts.

@jonsweeney4347 5 лет назад

Idea for a podcast: Joe Rogan takes Jordan and Sam out into the woods, they all take mushrooms, sit around a fire talking until dawn.

@michielzoelman1380 5 лет назад

They all already did individually, which is the best way to connect to the collective soul.

@johnmanzuki8979 5 лет назад

Well, Jordan did say he was planning to integrate mushrooms into his carnivore diet in a Joe Rogan podcast.

@Mariaisabel-no9mc 5 лет назад

I’d watch and want to join

@iamLI3 5 лет назад

AND THEN ALEX JONES JUMPS FORWARD FORM BEHIND THE BUSHES HALF NAKED IN FULL CAMO BODYPAINT

@simonebulletti5092 5 лет назад

Blood would be shed that night

@vcalv9354 3 года назад

I grew up in with a christian background but no longer consider myself religious. For a few years I've been reevaluating the idea of god itself and jordan peterson makes me ask myself all the right questions

@sloppyjoe9070 3 года назад

Same

@bernie.fitzpatrick7948 Год назад

Hi Douglas Murray - first time hearing you! You're amazing! ♥️🇳🇿 Watching from New Zealand 🇳🇿💐🌹

@oswinhull4203 2 года назад

These conversations were pure gold.

@realMJD7893 5 лет назад

Who else is spending their Friday night watching this masterpiece

@coolscabbers9412 5 лет назад

+Jammy joe oooo you got alphad, beta

@willaimmaxwell5069 5 лет назад

All the lucky ones.

@blackstar_1069 4 года назад

Christmas eve 🤣

@gazzergazzer 3 года назад

It’s 2021 ... A Friday Night ... and I’m watching this.

@ephraimakitan 3 года назад

How weird I am watching this on a Friday night and came across this comment 2years later btw

@martingesser3846 4 года назад

Y'all give it up for Jordan or Sam but I think that Douglas knows how to bring it even though he says little, like "they think they're better than their ancestors and don't even bother to study their ancestors."

@kodo936 4 года назад

One of my favorite arguments in this entire video.

@linkdude64 4 года назад

It's funnier to me because I genuinely wonder if Sam actually catches things like that, or if he rationally deduces that Douglas is only speaking in hypotheticals.

@oskarimagga387 4 года назад

Right? And the Schopenhauer quote: "maybe truth is like water and needs vessels to carry it"!

@jaket5751 4 года назад

So on point. Those who study our ancestors seem to be quite fascinated by what they knew, which sheds light on how much we have lost.

@oskarimagga387 4 года назад

@@jaket5751 Yeah and what religious people - perhaps on an unconscious level - fear we might be losing

@sebastianenriquefernandezv7996 2 года назад

1:15:40 Great decision guys. I'm really enjoying this conversation, I'm a christian and obviously I feel more inclined to the side of Jordan Peterson, but for the first time I can say that I'm understanding the position of Harris and it's very interesting. Obviously no one cares about what I think but I just wanted to comment anyway.

@clsatc 2 года назад

Listening to this for the second time - i cannot believe how incedibly articulate these 3 men are.

@OctoBox Год назад

Go listen to Jordan "today" post benzo addiciton recovery....this was back in his all meat diet days where if he ate a single salad he'd be sick for weeks days.

@GaryDrumm 4 года назад

This is an absolutely fascinating discussion. Two highly intelligent men, at opposite ends of the spectrum, exploring each other’s ideas, respectfully. I wish we could have more of this in the world.

@Fr_87 4 года назад

@@alegriart I think we know what spectrum that they're on opposite sides of. Yikes.

@youknowwho9247 4 года назад

@@Fr_87 Do we? They're actually both very much in the political center. If you see opposites here, you'll need to explain that perception to the rest of us.

@nathancwatkins 4 года назад

@@Fr_87spicyyyy - Sam harris is the devil who points out the sin of being human and has you retreat to the "obvious" and "rational" good. Reason so true that Raskolnikov would kill.

@sophocles3219 4 года назад

Except Sam kept interrupting Peterson

@lemortedbrian6070 4 года назад

yes, it was so respectful how sam at every non-chance was trying to get a word in between jordan's kind intercessions. and then "I cant believe his amazing counter response got applause" from sam. this guy is unbearable in the face of a truly wise person.

@ciri151 3 года назад

Why is no one talking about the lobster tie?

@brandonroberts13 3 года назад

It has had many appearances :)

@calebgodard4554 3 года назад

I bought one from his website!

@LBBKPHILLY 3 года назад

There was lots of talk about lobsters, hence the tie. Haha.

@mariochristopher1 3 года назад

DAyum!!!!!! Spectacular Observation!!!!

@fredbright2096 3 года назад

If you watch a lot of JP, you will see that tie and he talked a lot about that when he schooled the British TV woman about the lobster.

@Inquisitor_Vex 6 месяцев назад

This was fantastic. A sincere thank you to all involved.

@amritshakya6469 3 года назад

This was one of the most interesting, important, relevant debates/discussions at present

@Bdstx563 3 года назад

This is like watching my brain argue with itself.

@Marz2695 3 года назад

Wow ur so smart

@davidnorman2134 3 года назад

Ditto

@veronicam2883 3 года назад

OMG! I feel youuu 🤣🤣🤣

@hiwhatexpectedarealnamewit8772 3 года назад

Occasional

@CourageToB 3 года назад

You wish ;)

@aarontrotter5188 4 года назад

I can't imagine how exhausted these two are after a discussion like this. It has to take an unbelievable amount of cognitive energy, and emotional capacity to do this for two hours.

@redrosecounty 4 года назад

I wondered that myself but then realised that I engage with my family, friends and colleagues in some really intense and interesting discussions similar to this for hours on end (but not by any stretch of the imagination with as much forethought as Peterson and Harris have put into this). If you're interested in the topic as these two certainly are then it likely flows very naturally. Especially given the books they've written and the debates they have participated in. I suspect the debates and worse still, interviews with some very unreasonable individuals rather than these discussions are far more exhausting

@johndo7742 4 года назад

Wait. This is the second comment I've come across that denies the presence of a third debater.

@crimson_idol 4 года назад

I thought the same. They must have had headaches afterwards.

@kasperhornstrup 4 года назад

@@crimson_idol it's a sport to them.

@prepperjonpnw6482 4 года назад

What’s amazing is how fresh everything they are saying is considering they had just had this conversation two days earlier in Ireland.

@anni730 Год назад

So good hearing them discuss important topics with a certain level of respect 🙏.

@SassyJazz8888 2 года назад

Omg! My head hurts! 🤯 However I can’t stop watching it’s so fascinating! Love all 3 of these brilliant men!! 💜

@simay4977 4 года назад

I'll never understand why broadcasters don't show discussions like this on tv.

@annalouisebay4397 3 года назад

HomegymMan ISYMFS They don’t want us to think for ourselves!

@MAgisAWESOME 3 года назад

@@annalouisebay4397 Sad thing is, I don't know how much of it is because of that, or is it just because most people are too stupid and have too short of attention spans that it wouldn't get good ratings?

@randymontenegro3269 3 года назад

It exposes their ulterior motives!

@annalouisebay4397 3 года назад

Liam Fitzpatrick Right, it often amaze me how little most people know about what and what not will interest most people. An example could be that we have had a show where talented painters paint a known person. After the cutting it ends up with a lot of talk and very little painting. My experience is that most of us are facinated by seing people create. We also have a very popular program with a simpel farmer doing all kind of old facion work. But in that case the farmer himself created the program, so it did not get spoild.

@ladykate2602 3 года назад

hard to sell sponsorships (advertising) against this - J&J or Kraft do not want to offend anyone! all about the $

@l3a4c1m 5 лет назад

Conversations like this are more fulfilling than food itself sometimes. Excellent talk.

@thusothebe1061 10 месяцев назад

Can’t believe I’m listening to this 2 hour conversation for the 3rd time this year, 2023, August 10th. So deep!!!

@_GandalfTheGrey_ 2 года назад

Peterson is truly a gift to the world. He will be long remembered as one of the greatest minds of our time on earth.

@LeonardLeon Год назад

It is a gift alright...I received many idiotic gifts over my lifetime

@_GandalfTheGrey_ Год назад

@@LeonardLeon 👍

@juic3357 3 года назад

I'm glad to see newer comments. Conversations like this are a gift to society

@freddieoblivion6122 2 года назад

I love thinking about the implications... the streaming video wave is up there with fire, in terms of significance.

@claudes.whitacre1241 3 года назад

I had to concentrate on every word spoken by these three gifted men...just to keep up. A true gift to the rest of us. Both Murray and Harris are brilliant. But even as an atheist, I find Peterson the most compelling....the most gifted communicator.

@robertmacdonnell258 3 года назад

These men on this stage all are bearers of a purer strain of alien DNA than most of humanity. This is why they have the ability and courage to look into the void and find illumination rather than a frightening chimera. This is what is required through willpower and desire to see is that essence of what we are was never born and so will never die. An "A-Theist," (one who rejects the monotheism doctrines of theism) simply and linguistically means that they have found the concept of theism outmoded for the exceptional consciousness, while in possession of a passion to see the final truth of being is the penultimate attainment in the spiritual life. It is not negating at all. It is beyond all realms of rationalism. And no attainment can be made through rational thinking. Sunyata comes to those who has suffered so much that they become anxious to let go of the shedded snake skin that we call THE EGO, but you can never let the sacred breath escape your own lips. And to have this attainment, we must live in two worlds thereafter. One world is pure merging with the unknowable vitality of everything there is, all with their own consciousness which has now become your consciousness. The other life that must be lived simultaneously is that of the "Work-a-day world where you have a stake in outcomes, but you pursue those outcomes with a compassionate heart.

@claudes.whitacre1241 3 года назад

@@robertmacdonnell258 When reading the first few sentences of your comment, I was struck by the cleverness of your humor. And then...slowly...it began to dawn on me that you might be serious. But then I realized that you were really joking. Although a well written out satire it is.

@claudes.whitacre1241 2 года назад

@@tinfoilhatter Everyone sees the world through a different lens. And everyone thinks their lens is the only one that is clear.

@vipersuphere 2 года назад

@@claudes.whitacre1241 lol when reading the first of yours it was clear help on your behalf is necessary

@pat34lee 2 года назад

@@robertmacdonnell258 Atheists must reject truth and all virtues as intrinsic. Is good only good when there are people to be good and others to see the good? Is beauty only in the eye of the beholder? Or is there good, evil, beauty and ugliness whether or not there is man? If so, there must be an archetype that is neither man nor even physical.

@user-vw6xt2ec5l 9 месяцев назад

Are you kidding me,,, all this went on 5 yrs back,how did I miss this! Grateful to see this talked about with respect,and care, this is so welcome to witness this only with class and without accusing or the putting down of peoples,thinking and beliefs,also some people may not be religious, but used as guideline,and held personal to themselves!

@bertieboo 6 месяцев назад

My thoughts exactly, im just watching now

@krystalklear7793 Год назад

What Murray is saying at 1:19:00, I summarise in my motto for life: "Keep an open mind, but not so open that everything falls out". Not EVERY new thing is good. Not EVERY old thing is bad.

@Siroitin Год назад

So you are saying that we shouldn't escape ideology?

@ChrisJones-hs6nj 3 года назад

Douglas Murry got paid for having the best seat in the house. Good job 👍

@pumpkinpie2002 2 года назад

Great comment, I love all three of these guys

@ADVENTUREPIMPLE1 5 лет назад

J.P. I can't say how many of your videos I have watched, so many . I never message. I just wanted to say thank you .

@ADVENTUREPIMPLE1 5 лет назад

@Daniel Grozier I just wanted to say thanks, I don't need to add input but thought if he see these messages from people who appreciate what he says it will help with assessing his impact , I have been hearing a bit of negativity toward his views lately and I personally find him very motivating in a positive direction. I enjoyed this talk because of the topic . I am an atheist and the son of a preacher . More than that I was the forsaken son from a father who worships the forsaken son . So a good topic.

@ethan9855 5 лет назад

Loved Pet Sounds

@Dub636 5 лет назад

Brian Wilson btw, there is no such thing as chem trails. You’ve been duped into believing that and whole shit ton of other ridiculous stuff about Monsanto and gmo’s, 9/11 being an inside job and man not going to the moon.

@Omkar3324 5 лет назад

Thank You

@ADVENTUREPIMPLE1 5 лет назад

@@Dub636 you have no clue what I believe smart guy. Duped? Dupa poopa

@bx3556 2 года назад

This is such a great debate. Don't discount what Douglas and Jordan have said here. The Nihilism is what dominated the late 1800s leading up to WWI and WWII. (USSR AND Germany) wanted to replace Christianity with their own false ideas and false beliefs. They believed in cultish pagan beliefs in the SS which included Christian SS officers just think about that. They basically became like their barbarian ancestors and imposed new dogmas and built a new church called "Deutsch Christianity." There is indeed value in remaining genuinely Christian in the way Jordan describes.

@jojinaqica6932 2 года назад

It's not just the speed at which he so casually formulates an argument its also depth to which he dissects each miniscule iota of thought or issue. Absolutely astounding.

@dolam Год назад

Jordan or Sam?

@samuelgizaw7899 Год назад

@@dolamordan obviously, he was the one doing the majority of the deep thinking, sometimes excessively so

@andrewjohnson204 6 месяцев назад

@@samuelgizaw7899no that was more Sam 'obviously'

@hmanuel7138 4 месяца назад

@samuelgizaw7899 - I've been an atheist for 50years and I've never had a problem with my belief because I ignore any attempt to enter my mind or affect my beliefs because they are simple, nothing to argue.

@sizzlepants8525 5 лет назад

Murray’s effortless charm is something to behold. While his input is fewer and further between its magnificent when he adds something

@ascensionblade 3 года назад

@@davidsoael615 On the contrary, I think he drills to the core of Jordan's side with something like his 1:32:11 question. They all dislike dogmatism, but Jordan and Douglas seem to take a more pragmatic approach than Sam. I actually have started to understand that insane podcast between Jordan and Sam where they kept talking about truth. Specifically, I think I see why Jordan refused to give a simple definition for truth. Sam is too concerned with being "factual" instead of "truthful." This is a distinction that I knew about but didn't have these two words for until I heard them described by Michael Malice. For a great example, I recommend an internet search for the dangerous chemical "dihydrogen monoxide" to see how easily facts can diverge from the ultimate truth (about water). The oversimplified argument goes something like this: Sam: "Is Christianity 100% true and is there God? I say 'no'." Jordan & Douglas: "That's actually irrelevant. We have 'bigger fish to fry', so to speak." Does that make sense? Curious of your thoughts.

@billsimms2511 3 года назад

I can listen to Murray speak all day long. Brilliant man

@lynnemcquade 4 года назад

When Jordan Peterson gets into full flow of expressing his ideas it's mesmerising and inspiring. When he does that, the attention from the audience is palpable.

@darkwolf4434 4 года назад

Yeah, I believe that was the reason why his debate with Matt Dillahunty went so bad.

@stefanssmellsvictory105 4 года назад

Personally, I think he waffles on way too much and goes off on a tangent. I much prefer it when it just gets to the point.

@prepperjonpnw6482 4 года назад

Douglas Murray holds his own when sitting between two intellectual giants.

@jas0241 4 года назад

But he doesn't answer the fundamental question of what he believes.

@souljacem 4 года назад

The man is a master of speech

@frederickdiamond9651 7 месяцев назад

Thamk you for this and i Hope they come to the Philippines too. These ideas and speakers are moreso needed in these times we are in now.

@eunoia432 Год назад

Thank you so much for your discussion, it is simply amazingly inspiring! And i had to watch many times to be able to make sense of all what you were saying and make a decent takeaway from it. Peterson's point of extracting father's sprit over time reminds me of collective memory study in science which can happen on many scales and karma in spirituality. Murray's point of "the danger of void" makes perfect sense to me. Murray is so witty... with words or without! lol And i admire the fact that you can remain so silent in this discussion given your own level of thinking. Anyhow, even your facial expression was an important indication in understanding and add to the fun of the debate LOL i also love Harris's point of "hate of unnecessary suffering" which i do echo a lot too. Wishing to be present next time to give you guys an on-the-spot huge applause!!!

@jahkope 5 лет назад

I want a lobster tie like Jordans! it shows he has a sense of humour and OMG the guy is the Mike Tyson of debate

@Fedetk 4 года назад

Great observation, I hadn't realized hahaha

@roughpatches 3 года назад

I hope you bought one from his website

@kingedwardthe3rd 4 года назад

Sam Harris: "To be fair to the present, most music, most art, and most architecture is no longer religious." Best argument for religion I've ever heard

@AugustusCaesar88 4 года назад

sichalmers92 I thought the exact same thing haha

@bazstrutt8247 4 года назад

sichalmers92 his point is it still exists ...

@Fedetk 4 года назад

I really don't see what's the big deal about Harris, I've had better conversations with philosophy professors. Jordan is clearly way beyond his level. His arguments seem to be reached by confirmation bias and nothing else. You can see that he doesn't put much effort into thinking whatever he's talking about. @ dagem abebe Rather than religious, I would say that there's a certain "spirituality" about those things. Jordan usually mentions the weirdness about people going to museums and looking at paintings, I had also thought about that before. I think if you begin to question why do we feel attraction to, for example, music; what makes some sounds better than others, the same with paintings, you see that there's no obvious reason why that is. After thinking about it for quite a while, I think that the main commonality among those apparently irrational attractions is harmony. We have a preconfigured attraction for harmony in colors, sounds, and shapes. The more complex and sophisticated that harmony is, the stronger is the tendency to generate that attraction; you can see that with thousands of people watching a person play an instrument, for example. But why we have that propensity and from where the artists take it from is a mystery.

@stormcutter59 4 года назад

@@Fedetk I agree totally. Harris is overrated as hell

@stormcutter59 4 года назад

@dagem abebe The arts in recent, modern times, have been very regressive as of late. Almost in one to one coordination to how fewer people are inspired by God in their lives. At the very least it shows the degenerative inspirations that arise out of a mindset that seeks to be ABSENT from God. And thats why our music and movie industry have been increasingly shit

@winnie796 4 месяца назад

This is the second time I have watched this and I am just as thrilled as the first time when it was first released. Civil discourse on such important matters is so important.

@komentattor Год назад

what a wonderful stuff. People actually talk to each other, respecting, and allowing other side to build strong arguments. If all discussions looked like this our differences in opinions would unite us and make us respect each other more, and would make us acknowledge that we need the other side in order to learn where we are wrong.

@ceciliagray392 3 года назад

JP changed my life- he’s brilliant! I like Sam Harris and Douglas Murray, too. Great dialogue here!

@CristinaNeedsaHug 3 года назад

JP changed my life too. I discovered him and his lectures five years ago and I am happier now than I have ever been thanks to his sage advice.

@andrewferg8737 3 года назад

"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuses you, even [ fill in the blank here with your favorite teacher ] in whom ye trust." (John 5:45)

@joegilligan4895 3 года назад

Brilliant debate

@sammorrison8042 3 года назад

What do you know, Sam Harris changed my life and I like JP and Douglas Murray too.

@gasparaangeles7411 3 года назад

I find Jordan very humble and fair as a person considering his astounding gift of insight.

@twntwrs 3 года назад

You could use a strong antidote, read: The Intellectual We Deserve by Nathan Robinson. It's on the web.

@nicolainilsen5101 3 года назад

Very humble when he gets angry at Sam...

@nibin8559 3 года назад

@28nihilist Год назад

LOL

@adamking6005 2 года назад

Sam is far too preoccupied with defeating "Religion" as if it's some clearly defined entity. First, it's not that simple, and 2nd it's a waste of mental resources. I find his preoccupation to be telling. So, I become more interested in the source of his animosity.

@knowitfirsthand 2 года назад

Right?... I've been thinking this of Sam Harris for years now.

@mofayer 2 года назад

So true, I find that he has much to offer but every time he starts beefing on religion I get suspicious. And I'm non religious.

@davidgraham8058 2 года назад

His main concern is around unjustified belief (dogma) as he is concerned about the link between belief and behaviour. Religion is an area of dogma he focuses on as it is the only one (although now questionable) that gives succour in the form of virtue to dogma.

@adamking6005 2 года назад

@@davidgraham8058 That's understood, and a legitimate concern, but it's pretty one-dimensional, trite even...

@vvolfbelorven7084 2 года назад

Telling of what?

@ChaunceyGardner100 3 года назад

so glad I found this. excellent discussion between Harris & Peterson.

@danielgoncalves1382 3 года назад

It's simply incredible to imagine a person such as JP, with all his brilliant ideas, not stumbling upon on his own ego, and instead focusing on the process of thinking rather than the pressumption "I am right, u wrong". He provides enormous amount of honesty and gives us the opportunity to explore alongside with him his ideas.

@danieldornyo3041 3 года назад

Very well laid out

@alexrennison8070 3 года назад

You could probably thank his Father for that.

@betitall33 3 года назад

Is this a cult?

@hospice8896 2 года назад

@@betitall33RU-vid?

@lordofthered1257 2 года назад

@@betitall33 No just admiration and respect.

@BobSmith-sl9sm 5 лет назад

There is only one way to settle this beef... Diss tracks.

@markdemell3717 3 года назад

Sam needs a reboot to the head!

@viciousviego2478 2 года назад

as an agnostic, I wish every religious person was like Dr. Jordan peterson, he is a brilliant man! sam harris is also a wonderful scientist who helped me a lot in the past to find the evil camouflaged in the religion I subscribed to in the past.

@sueciviero3866 Год назад

I know I could be wrong but God is number one to me. I really appreciate religious, agnostic and atheist speakers who discuss topics respectfully. Most of my loved ones don't believe as I do but all of them love me back. I hope we can all remain free to express ourselves civilly.

@aneevrian6557 2 года назад

A very helpful and intelligent debate.

@AALavdas 3 года назад

A point relevant to Jordan Peterson's "Auschwitz guard" story. My father was a teenager during the nazi occupation of Athens, and he was telling me that one of the most chilling experiences he had, was of an SS officer kicking an obviously very ill, starving man who was lying on the pavement. It was chilling because there was nothing evil about his face: he was a handsome man, with a smile of innocent joy during all this. He was genuinely having innocent fun, in his mind. And it is so chilling because it is so far removed from our established experience of acts of good and evil. A criminal who looks like one and speaks like one, you can deal with. A man like this, that looks like the guy next door, and is not conscious of the pure evil he embodies, is much harder to come to grips with.

@MarkJones-gt2qd 2 года назад

The mundanity of evil. It's the worst aspect. Because it brings us all a hairs breadth from being evil ourselves. And since we could never be the "evil" evil, we won't look at that. It's the problem with the woke, they are so sure they are the good guys, so sure they are a million miles away from the bad guys. History doesn't support that view.

@vaskylark 2 года назад

Thanks for the story. Indeed that is chilling.

@redmed10 2 года назад

If there's one thing that humans can understand more than any other species on Earth is to understand the suffering of another human. When you don't see another person as a human being you can do atrocious things to that person without batting an eyelid.

@burstreviews8336 2 года назад

Without a solid, compelling moral structure the human being can revert to "evil" yet unseen.

@toddbertram6556 2 года назад

This is why external appearance is irrelevant and we rely on the ability to see a person's soul/feel their energy. I would say over history, the most beautiful people are the most wicked. Because they think they can be, and they are often elevated by weaker people around them.

@SeriousMcnegative 3 года назад

Peterson's "dream a crazy dream" sentiment is actually quite moving and inspiring when you think about it.

@vvolfbelorven7084 2 года назад

That’s Sam’s point. That’s how they get you

@generalchow3588 2 года назад

As an Agnostic Jew that converted away from atheism, I've made the same arguments as JP since Law School (7 years). Theistic and religious concepts are vital to moral, ethical, and societal structures that underpin the United States and Post-WW2 European governments. The fundamental basis of constitutional (and human) rights relies on a belief that they are given by God, and therefore, cannot be taken away or infringed upon by either people or governments. Rational thought will not fill the void left open by removing the very justification that was instrumental to the rights granting people protection from infringements of speech, religion, due process, privacy, fair trials, etc, by making governments accountable to God where it pertains to liberties. Government is not suppose to play God via "Establishment of Religion". Only an overwhelming majority of the Republic have that authority (2/3 of legislature and 3/4 of states), and Democracy in both State and Federal elections make it more difficult.

@yarpenzigrin1893 2 года назад

That's wrong. The Western traditions are not based on Christianity and certainly not on the primitive Judaism. They're based on Greek and Roman inventions.

@esimpson2751 6 месяцев назад

@@yarpenzigrin1893 What did Constantine base the roman empire on again?

@yarpenzigrin1893 6 месяцев назад

@@esimpson2751 How long has the Roman empire existed before Constantine? Chrisitianity influenced Roman culture but was not the basis of it.

@esimpson2751 6 месяцев назад

@@yarpenzigrin1893 Western civilization existed post Constantine not pre, for the entirety of its development it has referenced the Christianization of Rome as an inspiration as much if not more than Caesar's Rome or prior

@yarpenzigrin1893 5 месяцев назад

@@esimpson2751 What was there before Constantine? Nothing? How do you ignore thousands of years of Geco-Roman civilization before Constantine?

@brianmason9361 Год назад

I read Marcus Aurelius, Meditations every night, and have for the last 2 years now. This conversation here is amazing!

@Apol-los 4 года назад

51:10 mark, "When your doctrine demolishes an [ethos], leaving nothing behind...something will rush in to fill the void." Brilliant point.

@dariusnoname12 4 года назад

That is one of the reasons why they talked past each other. I think that Harris is against dogmas, because you can't question them(which leads to numerous problems, he said it in the other video). While Peterson only talks about teachings itself. We can demolish dogmatic teachings without any repercussions.

@Apol-los 4 года назад

Fair point on dogmas. So once a dogmatic teaching has been demolished what would you "prefer" takes it place? Send your response to austinajames7@gmail.com so I can be notified quicker if you respond to my question

@dariusnoname12 4 года назад

@@Apol-los No need for gmail. Answer is short. Any teaching can replace dogma. That is because dogmatic teachings forbids critical thinking, questioning(they tend to not change with time or facts) while any other teachings, they change given new information. Example, dogmatic teachings : any religion. Non dogmatic teachings: laws, set of beliefs based on evidence or anything like that.

@Apol-los 4 года назад

I understand your distinction but what have you personally chosen to replace dogmatic teachings with?

@dariusnoname12 4 года назад

@@Apol-los I didn't really have any dogmatic teachings. In my country religion is more of a cultural thing. And my basic beliefs constantly changes with new information I have. Set of beliefs that I live by are custom ones, I didn't really took them from anywhere, so I can't give good example that would fit for everyone. But partly good example is law, or anything based on evidence.

@nickbloom6861 5 лет назад

Guys, please listen to BOTH people without trying to validate what you already believe. If you agree with Peterson more, listen to Harris, if you agree with Harris more, listen to Peterson. God I am so tired of how stubborn people are in their beliefs. By the way, if you are a true follower of Peterson then take his advice from 12 Rules. Rule 9 - "Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't." From what I see in these comments most of his followers are lazy in thinking and don't actually take his messages to heart.

@mrdeadlybootz5414 5 лет назад

But I think that's exactly what HAS happened though. Part of Peterson's rise is from former Sam Harris fans that did just this and realized the flaws in the argument and how much it was lacking. Almost all of their audience is overlap even before they ever met, at least before Peterson got so big. Now they tend to just fill each other's gaps, which is why I like their conversations so much.

@Cignal 5 лет назад

This.

@bigfletch8 5 лет назад

NICK..Thats a good way of handling beliefs . ITs when you find the middle line (think of a still pendulum ), can you ascend to the apex where both sides of beliefs can be acknowledged, from a position of knowing.

@LarsBjerregaard 5 лет назад

Well said!

@stormcutter59 5 лет назад

No but something has got to give and it seems that Harris is losing people. I've listened to this guy enough but eventually I'm gonna come to a conclusion. The conclusion is that Harris is either willfully ignorant to Petersons challenges or he truly is limited in how he thinks which is ironic considering the slandering hes given to Petersons stance on things. Hell he gets annoyed when Peterson just attempts at coming to bring up important questions. Hes condescending. Harris is simple minded he isnt here for the same reasons Peterson is here. Peterson is interested in finding answers, interested in what Harris has to say on what he thinks and what he thinks upon what others think, and then comes to his own understandings. I dont for one second believe Harris even opens his mind to the idea of seeing things from Petersons perspective. Or even thinks much about Jordan's words as something even remotely credible when he goes home after these talks. It's spelled out completely in the way he speaks. He acts like hes an expert on everything when it comes to religion and fluffs off everything Peterson is saying, as if all of it can be answered in just a few minutes, like it's so clear cut. His answers are shallow and pander to the cliches that atheists have found themselves repeating for years. People HAVE taken Petersons words to heart, they HAVE listened and even turned against Jordan harshly through listening to Harris on some occasions but it seems to me that Jordan keeps managing to pull people back to what hes trying to figure himself. It's his whole demeanor, the humble way he presents himself. Jordan is more willing to have a conversation, open and honest. Harris is there simply to win. And their is no value in winning for the sheer sake of it is there? I dont think their is much value in that no I dont

@keyvet 3 года назад

I feel compelled to compliment on the level of civility and eagerness to listen and learn - that the audience in London is showing here. Compare this to Harris-Peterson debate that happened in Vancouver, Canada ! P.S. I am from Canada

@LAMeet Год назад

35:21 “I will never be tempted to make religion accountable for the bad things religious people do-I won’t blame the religion. What I blame the religion for is that is makes rational people do bad things.” Very rational argument, Sam.

@fredsik 3 месяца назад

He kind of fumbled his argument, but it still holds imo. The argument states that bad people will do bad things regardless of the creed they subscribe to, while only religion is capable of convincing otherwise rational, kind, normal people to perform horrible acts of cruelty.

@kubrick5073 5 лет назад

Screw the guy who said sam looks like ben stiller. Now i cannot unsee it

@lokiopensloloc5680 5 лет назад

"Blue steel".

@lemuelseale1640 5 лет назад

Its a truth you have always known but can now articulate. You are now enlightened

@perplexedsage4546 5 лет назад

Another sheep has awoken

@Kish1610 5 лет назад

Yeah it really was BS

@jobe4279 5 лет назад

Even Sam jokes about it in a conference he did in Australia I think it was many many years ago.

@wo_day2674 3 года назад

I absolutely love Jordan Petersons knowledge.. Its like a breath of fresh air

@brentsteyn6671 3 года назад

Ummmm. I wouldn't completely say that.

@glenncater1 3 года назад

I LOVE YOU!!

@EduardoL-ss9ew 3 года назад

He's amazing ⚡

@randymontenegro3269 3 года назад

Very well said!

@glenncater1 3 года назад

@@randymontenegro3269 THANK YOU !!

@shesgotpassion6593 6 месяцев назад

Fantastic! Thank you for sharing and doing this!

@violinplayer3518 3 года назад

When Dr. J. Peterson laugh the world becomes a bit better place to be in 😊

@alekai2178 5 лет назад

Love the tie JP.

@85Esparta 5 лет назад

upupupu

@hamnkapten7977 5 лет назад

Took me way too long to beat that stupid bear

@The_Fridge 3 года назад

Even after four discussions Harris still spent way too much time projecting his assumptions of Peterson's religious beliefs onto Peterson. Rather than, acknowledging Peterson's position is not that of a "typical" religious person, and then working together to hash through the real stuff Peterson alluded to each time, but was never really able to get to. You'd feel Peterson trying to go there and Harris would interrupt saying it was "changing the rules." Meaning he's still not comfortable with thinking about Peterson's ideas as they don't come from that of a "typical" Christian. Hence one of the reasons we're all watching. There's so much more to dig into. I'd love to see it.

@McconneIIRet 3 года назад

Yep. Harris's fundamental view of religious people seems to be that they are simply ignorant of the truth and holding onto dogma as an alternative, however Jordan Peterson has more of a scientific mind and is simply emphasizing the importance of religion (or more importantly, the danger of a lack of religion.)

@WeskerA 3 года назад

Sam just wants JP to say he believes in the arguments that he can already "dismantle" for his choir.

@davidnorman2134 3 года назад

I get the impression harris is attacking petersons belief system and wanting him to be wrong, rather than voicing out his own personal positions

@McconneIIRet 3 года назад

@@davidnorman2134 Agreed.

@chrisgadsby5700 3 года назад

Harris (and Dawkins) are very dogmatic in their dislike of dogmatism!

@reflexoesarteecultura 2 года назад

Most people don't know, but, Jordan Peterson used to read many books in his childhood. Sometimes a book per day. Because of that he has a insane knowledge in so many areas of the science.

@paulwhittle6961 Год назад

Thank you gentlemen clearly articulated personal affect vs. effect.

@nerotyagi 3 года назад

It's so nice to see Dr. Peterson laughing and genuinely loving having such an intellectual argument, rather than debating with idiots that just wanna paint a picture against him.

@OctoBox Год назад

---Yes Jordan was trounced and couldn't steam-roll non-intellectuals. It was nice to see Jordan "semi-humbled"

@MizzouRah78 Год назад

I agree. And to be honest, he got absolutely demolished by Sam.

@Earthad23 Год назад

@@OctoBox Trounced? Lol you know nothing

@Earthad23 Год назад

@@MizzouRah78 What’s rational about reality?

@MizzouRah78 Год назад

@EARTH I'm sorry that you can't accept or conceptualize that Jordan got outclassed. Your question is neither relevant or thought provoking.

@femmegem1394 3 года назад

Jordan Peterson makes me feel like I need to practice my vocabulary 😅

@kariflick2014 3 года назад

Yes that is very astute

@pmambientworks4727 3 года назад

I do admire Jordan's use of words, how ever I admire Sam's to the point rationality more. Jordan has made himself a liguistic black belt to be able to reconcile his Christian worldview with reality.

@bereketberhanu9155 3 года назад

He uses difficult words to say the same point he made 2 years ago

@joshuafrakes4876 3 года назад

Forget vocabulary. Study the mechanisms of thought, logic, this is JPs primary strength. The words will flow from there

@richardgarrett5322 Год назад

Great conversation! Smart people disagreeing! It's great.

@chrisb_beats Год назад

I'm an hour and a half into this and just realized this man got a lobster tie on 😂

@jasonfaj4221 5 лет назад

I thought Jordan was going to say “let’s go all cognitive neuroscience on this shit.” 1:08:20

@hyperspacejester7377 5 лет назад

Jason FAJ 😄😆😅 me too

@thatadamguy6195 5 лет назад

Same. . . . . and then bust out an expletive filled neuroscience rap, which would end with him pulling his shoulders back and making lobter claw hand signs, saying "you don't f**k with the top lobster b***h". . . . . . drop mic

@r.b.4611 5 лет назад

Remember when Richard Dawkins said "Science, it works...bitches!" That warmed my cold dead heart.

@craigreedtcr9523 5 лет назад

Ha ha ha ..so did I.

@christianalmli9085 5 лет назад

I do believe he was planning on it, but quickly and very wisely realized that doing so would literally cleave the planet in two.

@danieljmoore 3 года назад

These are the men you're being told to fear and hate. Great men and strong voices on all sides.

@drewtheceo9024 2 года назад

Wow. I had to find this one. Good stuff.

@Murphator Год назад

Truly fine piece of discussion gentlemen....

@TheLakaiordie84 5 лет назад

I’m not gonna lie,I liked when Jordan called out the audience. I felt like he called me out too.

@burry218 4 года назад

Dokkasan 1:07:00 Start here. He goes OFFFFFFF, It’s beautiful.

@zakomomomo4407 4 года назад

This shows weakness democracy

@easymentality 4 года назад

I love how Harris thinks it's an evasion too.

@alfonsoespriella 4 года назад

I thought all that was theater in order to avoid whether or not he actually, literally believes in God. As was the way, in which right after that, he took control of the direction in which the conversation was going, and the new direction into which he threw it, was away from him having to answer that question.

@franklincapitalanddevelopm2251 4 года назад

@Richard Muenzer and Mr. Espriella I make this reply to both of you not as a criticism in any way. Mr. Peterson does not give a yes no reply about whether he "believes God exists", and states he lives as if God exists. So it may seem like he is being evasive, but I would like to offer my understanding to the both of you. I do not believe that anyone has direct evidence of the existence of God. Even people that profess a belief in the existence of God. People that believe in the existence of God believe that by being maximally inclusive of all evidence that it is overwhelmingly dishonest to claim that God does not exist. The evidence is so convincing that they claim with honesty that they believe that God exists. It is their personal perspective of God's nature. However, personal perspectives of God's nature differ as everyone knows. So it is not a simple matter to ask someone if they believe in your personal perception of what you understand as the definition of God. Perhaps insight into what I am explaining can be found in learning that discuss that intractable relationship between humbleness and understanding. Mr. Peterson is extraordinarily consistent in this as he highlights his humble approach to daring questions of definitive conclusion of God's existence. Instead he opts to maintain honesty above all and cautiously warns of any person recklessly claiming a universal understanding of the nature and existence of God. So he allows the evidence to guide him, and thus far it overwhelmingly inspires him to live as though God exists.

@dannyteal1020 5 лет назад

This seems more practical than the whole of politics

@RickDanner 4 года назад

agree

@Fnelrbnef 4 года назад

Yeah! Instead it consists of powerhungry, corrupt dickheads.

@yushpi 4 года назад

@@Fnelrbnef politics is important

@Fnelrbnef 4 года назад

@@yushpi Yeah..it just should be done right.

@yushpi 4 года назад

@@Fnelrbnef how

@denali9643 Год назад

To rewatch this 4 years later after Sam meditated his way away from coherent thought, his opening volley here is not only dim and sloppy, but also hinted at his trajectory toward nothing-dom.

@edt9666 2 года назад

Dr. Peterson is the best export Canada has ever produced.

@Musiclover-uo2oi Год назад

Alongside with insulin.

@mustafanisar4506 Год назад

Only 2nd to Jim Carrey … jk 😉

@jeremymallender8820 Год назад

Rush surely.

@Deep_Axion Год назад

Clearly you’ve never tried Canadian bacon or maple syrup.

@vicenteveliz9698 Год назад

Terrible for Canada, o something close. Kind of , better not getting there.

@YeedaQiu 3 года назад

When the three smart kids get different answers:

@purecountry6672 3 года назад

As always Jorgan well done. Love you from High Level. The neighbor of your home town. Canada loves you!

@jacksonandrews8369 Год назад

The more I watch these two, the more clear it becomes that JP really isn’t the Christian thought leader that Christians think he is or want him to be. He’s just not willing to use the same definition of “God” everyone else is using, so his arguments feel strong and his ideas fresh. But all he’s doing is obfuscating the conversation in such a way that allows Christians to feel good about using his arguments to uphold their own beliefs-which seem to me to be quite different from his actual beliefs.

@lindadoyle525 4 года назад

I truly enjoy when rational human beings can discuss, debate, and have different points of view and beliefs without all the political "Woke" identity name-calling, It is so refreshing.

@lemortedbrian6070 4 года назад

sam was trying hard but jordan didnt let him caricature religion the way he wanted.

@gilianrampart8514 4 года назад

You said rational human beings!

@lindadoyle525 4 года назад

@@gilianrampart8514 I am assuming you mean that rational people cannot disagree and still have a meaningful conversation. Heated, yes, but without fear.

@markdemell3717 3 года назад

I do not consider Sam rational.

@lindadoyle525 3 года назад

@@markdemell3717 I consider rational when two or more persons coming together, even in their disagreements, they can be civil and rational towards each other. And without identity politics.