Danny G You have more than I do, I'm just telling the truth. I've been working at shitsville for almost 3 years, and dudes coming in off the street get paid more than me.
You do realize if he fires you on the basis of discussing pay, that is illegal and you have grounds to form a law suit. You can sue for tons of money for illegal or immoral termination. The US is good at law suits.
President Obama made an Executive Order in April 2014 making it illegal for companies to terminate employees on the grounds of discussing their compensation. If your boss threatens you for discussing it, bring that up and say that your lawyer will be happily waiting for them to fire you for it. Courts shouldn't be a problem, because they can't legally dismiss an Executive Order.
Missed one very important point. In many areas (Ontario, Canada being mine) it is actually ILLEGAL for an employer to discourage employees from discussing wages. If you're talking with a coworker about wages and an employer comes up to you and says "We don't talk about that here", that alone is grounds for a fine. The problem is, the fine is so small and the punishment is so inconsequential that companies are perfectly willing to keep wages on lockdown, because for every teenie tiny slap-on-the-wrist fine they get, they save exponentially more money by keeping everyone in the dark, so it's a worthwhile trade-off.
+ManCave Mayhem I'm curious, just how much do employers watch out for people discussing their salary? For example if you told a coworker your salary outside of the workplace would the employer still prosecute you?
+Zarko Cekovski You misinterpreted my comment. I'm saying the employer can be fined for telling you that you can't discuss wages. As an employee, you can and SHOULD talk about wages with other employees and it's illegal for an employer to stop you from doing so. You have the freedom to discuss your wages with anyone at any time, even right at work, even right in front of your boss. The law is on your side.
+ManCave Mayhem but you work at some union jobs they get you to sign a contract to keep your wage a secret. i was told it was confidential so noone can tell anyone what they make.
+rocc yea but that's his point your contract is therefore illegal a contract can not hold you to illegal standards and that covers government jobs also
The problem with this idea, some companies can be so cutthroat, instead of giving you a raise, they would rather fire you and hire someone who is willing to work for the same wage.
But, if you're sharing the information with your co-workers it is easier to negotiate collectively. Few companies can afford to fire all of their employees at once. It's the principle behind unionisation.
you do realise your mum is your provider and she has no work force therefore no business and money coming in not so funny if your her child and relying on your parents for important things like food
It's not a matter of being cutthroat, if the company can get someone else for the same money or less, why would they pay you more? Some people are better than others and also better negotiators. Salary is a personal matter.
At my job someone tried to share pay once, to encourage others to do the same. She was fired for "instigating an uproar among the company. " basically for being a rabble rouser.
Tavian Ward She wasn't harassing anyone. She was literally just recommending that people share their wages because she knew the company was cheating people.
This is why we need our unions. Unions need to be kept honest too, but there needs to be an industry body that makes workers aware of their rights and can negotiate and represent from a position of power.
Here's the real question if he will not disclose it. Did he sign an NDA on the terms of his employment? A lot of companies are now adding to their contracts NDAs on the terms of employment and even though it is not illegal to disclose your salary in general when you sign a non-disclosure agreement you will be violating the terms of your contract. Violating the terms of a signed contract IS illegal and only a handful of states will not allow such terms even if they are included in the contract. When companies include a NDA on the terms of employment they usually include a period of time after your termination of employment as well. So not only can you not disclose the terms of your employment agreement while employed but maybe for 2 years after termination of employment.
+TechyMark Is that NDA legally binding if it contradicts federal law or do they have a clause written in that invalidates any part of the contract which is not legally enforceable, I bet the latter.
Typically all employment contracts have a line that if something is not enforceable or illegal that only that line is invalid and not the whole contract. If a judge determined that it can be enforced by limiting the terms then the company will consider the terms limit as ordered by the judge but it will not invalidate it. It's called severability. As far as the illegal part in most states NDAs on employment terms are not illegal. While I must admit I didn't read the entire act because it is a huge act, my understanding of the National Labor Relations Act is that it does not protect an employee's right to discuss their salary in the case of a NDA. It protects a group of employees to create a collective bargaining agreement with an employer (typically via a union) so basically occupations like teachers have a set salary for time worked as a teacher in the system. The NLRA does not grant everyone the freedom to discuss the terms of their employment if they have a NDA in their contract. The main difference being that if you have a NDA in your contract you cannot discuss your salary around the water cooler. However, a group of employees, or a representative of a group of employees, can work on a collective bargaining agreement with an employer to agree on everyone make the same amount of money based on certain terms/goals (usually by seniority).
funny story, i literally did this cause my coworkers were making less than me and i told them to check their pay. within a day all 3 of my supervisors called me into the office and threatened to suspend me cause of this saying it’s against policy to discuss wage. i apologized and told them on all my previous jobs we discussed wage so i saw no wrong. they literally told me and i quote “you were smart enough to know your wage for your position and that’s great for u. but those other guys, if they aren’t smart enough to know how much they’re supposed to really be paid then that’s their fault.” and so they let me off with a warning and said the next person who comes in and demands a raise cause i told them their pay was low then i’ll be suspended. from that day forward i knew the company was a rip off...i encourage everyone to be entrepreneurs and start their own business cause companies like mine will rip u off right in front of u
chrisspray666 That's not serious enough for the Nerf-SWAT Team. They only respond to serious emergencies, like that jerk from accounting using up all the milk in the fridge and not putting a new carton/bottle in or telling others about it.
I made 45k supervising a dude who made 62. I asked the director to reflect on the diff and advise as to why. She told me it's because he was there 10 yrs before me. I said I'm here 2 years longer than you and you make 105k. Guess where that convo went.
This is good advice. I actually had a boss scold me, because he found out that my coworker and I shared our salary information with each other, along with when either one of us got a raise. He even tried to intimidate me, by stating that doing that in the future would warrant grounds for our termination. Its almost like he did not realize that we lived in a world where I could Google whether what he was saying was legal sound. Of course, the upper management at my organization had every right to be afraid of employees finding out each other's salaries, because when a former disgruntled employee was able to get a list of all salaries within the organization, and was able to share this information with all employees, it was plainly obvious that a lot of people were receiving handsome raises that were not based on merit, but on the basis of favoritism. It led to mass exodus of several highly skilled people, who were disgruntled at what they saw. In a just world, laws should be in place, where the salaries of all people within an organization, should be made known to anyone within that organization. This is the surest way to find out if discriminatory practices are happening.
As long as you're smart about using google and check/verify the sources, it's still a solid resource. (especially on legal stuff, given that the laws are literally written in books which are publicly accessible)
In Spain we have labor unions that make convention beteween all workers so nobody isn´t paid less than the others, in fact is ilegal to work for less money that what you have in your convention. This system isn´t perfect because it is abused sometimes and the labor unions can be realy corrupt but i like it.
I’m a public school teacher and my colleagues and I all know exactly how much each other makes. We have meetings discussing it. School board approves them. It’s public information. It’s a relief actually.
And your pay is meager and you are easily replaceable so it doesn't matter. If you work in some industry where it is hard to find good workers (I am in software development), and they make a lot of money from your work, inequalities would be much greater. Other companies scout good employees, and then offer them significantly more money. And then your company sometimes matches that offer, just to keep them. So two workers doing the same work could have significantly different salaries just because they had to recruit first from an already good paying job, or match his offer to prevent him from leaving. But even a lower paying one is making more than teachers.
I've been advocating this since forever...and all I get are raised eyebrows every time. It's not just America, this has been going on for a long time all over the globe.
In Vietnam, youre encouraged to talk about salary, it's a daily conversation thing. Of course everyone there is pretty conservative and pleased with life even with current salaries, but it does come up. At the airport, a viet could be talking to you and ask everything about you, salary, job, marital status. they are personal, the government doesn't like it though. If i talked about that id need an Adam ruins everything video to explain communism and socialism.
My brother was unemployed, so my aunt, who owns a moving company, hired him. She was paying him 12$ an hour (slightly over the minimum wage here in Ontario), and told him to keep it hush hush, because most of the other workers were only getting paid minimum. 2 months later (and being cut back many hours) he was talking to his friend that just got hired, same job and turns out he was getting paid $15/h. then it turned out everyone was getting paid $15/h. He confronted my aunt about it, and got fired. She claimed some BS "he was falling behind on his hours" despite being scheduled for 4 hours a week. I'm a film maker so i have to deal with paying people (because i'm not big enough to have a production company, and people to do that for me) i'm often up front about how much people are getting paid. People trust you more if you are up front and honest... which is perfect for betraying their trust down the road!
she got him a job...if he can get a nother job why didnt he she gave him the job bicouse she knew him WTF do you wont more from her she gave him a job that he was to stupid to do
That's awful! Now I want to ask my co-workers how much they are getting paid, but because there is still a stigma around this whole thing, I still feel like I can't :(
Finally, one of these I was very informed on before watching! I had to encourage exactly this at my own workplace with my employees. I found out the old general manager paid all the women 50c less than the men, and corrected it for the immediate next pay period. No one had even known to complain because he had said that it was illegal to discuss pay at work or with coworkers.
i asked this to my teacher as a kid she got mad at me and said "that's very rude to ask." and i said "how?" all she could say is "because it is" i was like okay. for the longest i never understood why. no one told me.
Teachers always say that if you don’t get a better education you gonna be a truck man or woman. What they don’t tell you is a garbage man and woman make more than them even without degrees
There is always free legal aid or people that can help you. Or firms that will take your case and you don't have to pay unless you win...you've never seen those commercials?
I've never understood why people feel weird talking about money. If one of my friends works harder than me, has more qualifications, does a riskier job etc why shouldn't they earn more? Why would that offend me? If you rub it in my face, then you're being a jerk, but simply stating facts is nothing to be ashamed about. Not talking about money also makes it hard for people to avoid debt traps and talk about budgeting etc. Just be honest.
It would offend you because a lot of the time hard work or risky work is just another furphy. And in reality, lots of people all over the shop are paid unfairly.
The reason people sometimes don’t talkabout it is because sometimes “ignorance is bliss”. If I make an amount of money that covers my needs and wants, I should be fine, but when a friend who has an easier job makes more than me I would’ve preferred not to know.
Its true. Corporations care about the cash, and if people are uprising for more cash, why the **** would they give you a raise? More people need jobs every single day and will fall for anything just to make cash, and when they demand a raise just hire the next wave of college grads needing a job. And when that doesnt work because people start unions, ban it and live scott free, destroying employees. And when that doesnt work and people demand change, fire everyone and outsource the labor to a place like China, where people are willing to work for even lower prices. Overall, there really is nothing we can do about outsourcing and exploding population: we really could not be more screwed.
I worked at mcdonalds in 2014. I started a simple discussion with one coworker about our individual pay. A manager immediately shut the conversation down. So we moved the conversation to the back where more people heard By the next week, we had people quitting and demanding raises In the end, we all got bumped up 15% and new hires also came on with a higher wage
*cough cough* Women only make 65c on the dollar when you compare all women from across all walks of life, lumping in stay at home moms and the women who followed the gender average of settling for more fulfilling jobs (that also pay less). when you compare like with like, female cashier with male cashier, female executive with male executive, female rocket surgeon with male rocket surgeon, the wage gap essentially disappears.
read "the truth behind the gender pay gap myth (and what women can do about it)" by warren farrell. dumb feminists protest the first part of the title but smart, powerful women use the second part of the title to earn more on average than their male counterparts. the difference is whether you are determined to be driven as an individual or driven to be victimized as a group.
that's true, taking all things into account it's a 2-4% difference generally, but the big reason for it is generally not sexism but because women tend to have more inconsistent work schedules so employers pay them less.
Didnt ask for a raise but my boss said, “here ya go, look you got 50 cent raise. Nice right?” Thereafter he didnt just cut my hours, he cut days. Corporations are trashX1000
what if in the middle of the chanting for "more money", it instead just jumpcuts to everyone walking out of the building jobless while new employees walked in as replacements.
"I don't understand why people keep their salary a secret, it just doesn't make any economic sense", said my mind while watching this video and contemplating about life's choices
Class war. The bad guys won and control how our culture works. Most folk like to pretend they are or will soon be rich and only look after themselves rather than see they are working class and should unionise and fight against capitalism.
@DannKast dont let that deter you from continuing to share. Just keep in mind that the outcome wont be positive everytime but sharing the information is essential to help stop this practice. Every little bit helps and Im sure the guy found a job with better pay and a better work environment down the road.
I think he shouldn't have made it an ultimatum. He should have simply demanded to be paid equally. Then, if the boss fired him for asking for that, then he could have potentially had grounds to sue for wrongful termination. @DannKast
He's correct that you can discuss your salary with others, but he CANNOT reveal other people's salaries, only his own. It's up to the individual whether or not they wish to reveal it or discuss it.
"Ooh, I'm sorry, I can only offer you $6 a year." "Well I guess that's what everyone here makes. Heh." I can't help but feel bad for that man, even if I know it isn't real.
once I talked to my coworkers about what I was getting paid, I realized I was getting paid almost $2 less an hour than not only everyone, but even people who JUST started a week ago and I was there for 3 years. Once I knew how little I was making, I confronted my boss and I was able to get paid correctly. So yeah, this does help
How can he afford the food, even without worrying about housing bills and assuming the job has the best benefits ever and covers medical attention of all kinds That's 6$ a YEAR 0.0164383561643836$ a day! Half a dollar every month! Seriously man how do you survive Did I manage to ruin the joke? I'm trying to be a not interesting, not charismatic and non-glasses wearing Adam
I work(ed) for a company that hadn't (still haven't) paid me in two months....u know what, I'm lying. They paid me once but it was $500 short. I didn't complain. I kept going to work because I really liked them and they were really nice. I had to leave when I found out they were infamous for not paying their employees and even when they do, for shorting them. I'm really embarrassed to type this cuz I feel so stupid for wasting my time but it has to be said. So now I'm having to survive off nothing until I find a new job
@@romankazinets1759 i foolishly didn't sign anything. After I quit I learned they are infamous in the city for doing that, not paying their employees. It was my fault, I should have left the first time I didn't get paid
you are able to sue them if you have some proof of working there. You dont have to have a contract just anything at all that shows you worked there and the pay you had and was supposed to receive, thats how you can 100% get the $500 back. As for the months you didnt get paid anything, if you have any proof that you was there at any point and proof you didnt get paid (a bank statement) then you will definitely get money from that also. Definitely sue them.
This is so true. After talking about wages at a restaurant job, the supervisor found out that he was making less money than a few of the hostesses. Absolutely insane what bosses get away with
I work for a company where actually shared the fact that I made 1150 an hour and this was in 1990, and I was called into my bosses office because everybody asked for a raise because all my coworkers made nine dollars an hour, So they had to give everybody else raises because of me.
I work at an engineering firm with pipefitters, laborers and welders. Talking about their salary and how much freaking money they make is literally every conversation.
I'm a welder/fabricator myself and the question of your salary or someone else's salary in conversation is a daily thing. There's always a guy or two bitching and moaning that he does this and that and is overlooked or being conspired against because some other guy makes more than him. It's ridiculous! Everyone wants to know what you make so they can fit you into their pecking order. I always give out a random amount of what I make (within reason) just to keep them guessing. I get tired of the drama!
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This is so far the best adam ruins everything episode I have seen. I mean the 6 dollar guy made me cry, The girl that was dancing with her fists down being like more money more money was perfect, and viva revolusyon made me want to urge dad and his co-workers to spill out their salaries to each other (though I was unsuccessful 😢). *I LOVE THIS VIDEO.*
+Scott Covington Is it bad that I want to never go to your country in spring? All those bubbletrumping birds trying to swoop down and murder people's faces.
I was a brand-new cna at a nursing home with no experience making more money than people who have been at the company for years. I think the mistake a lot of employees make is accepting a wage instead of negotiations. If a company need you they gone pay you what you want.
@@AstarionWifey they're talking to you so they want you. Also you CAN change jobs which is the easiest way to rectify a failure on your part to negotiate a good salary.
Unless you never worked in your life before, it should come to your mind naturally. If not, I feel bad for you and you can keep dreaming. Sometimes not acknowledging the fact and running away from the facts do relieve people.
Джон Смит You clearly have no clue about business. Explain this, if you can hire other people who do the same work for same pay, why not hire them? You cannot answer it because it does not happen in real life. You also have to factor in implicit factors many people tend to overshadow. Just because they appear to have same duty and role does not mean they are equal. It happens internally as well (male vs other male).
Until he said African American women make 64 cents to the dollar I thought this video was actually informative, that statistic is based on an overall average, and doesn't account for differences in education, occupation, or hours worked
Although your point is valid, it still gives a good reason to ask among co-workers their salary. This is so if you make less money than someone else you have reason to ask your employer if you have any confusion. You wouldn't want to be in the dark on a subject like your own salary.
+Sangie Nativus the video is fake? the statement is false, that was the problem. The wage gap is a myth that has been officialy debunked. You are not in a position to make sny comments to those who actually listen to the truth, whereas you put your fingers on your ears like a uncomprehending child
It hasn't been debunked, reviews have shown that when employment sectors are taken into account there still is a disparity albeit not as much as it is often mentioned.
Thats not how it works, firing people kills morale. Low morale means less productivity, firing everyone would mean you would have a full crew of new employees, which only hurts the company due to having nobody to teach them in a couple days, instead of them learning there jobs over weeks. Honestly it would be easier to just give them the raise, hell, heres an example. Your the only other dishwasher other then a guy who takes up the 2 days you want off. The other guy sucks at his job however and constantly needs help from somebody to keep dishes going. While you are perfectly good at your job, not only keeping up but also helping others with whatever you can. Your boss can not afford to fire you or let you quit as it would hurt productivity, losing a good source of morale and the far better employee. So should you ask for a raise or a day off for family, they are usually inclined to say yes. As long as it does not hurt there salary and profits. Not to mention it is not as easy hiring as one would think, I've been in the workforce for 3 years, worked 4 diffirent jobs (yes, one of which was a dishwasher) and I've seen places have a "help wanted" sign out for nearly a year.
Yes they can do this, but it's a terrible decision, it sets a precedent for the other workers that no matter how hard they try, they won't have job security, so they don't bother to go above and beyond like the one they decided to fire. Once again, hurting productivity. I actually saw this happen when I left my last job. Boss wasn't respectful of my "family over work" rule, constantly asked me to come in on days off, and I eventually got sick of it. About a month later I actually had him call me back asking if he could rehire me, which was.. Really weird, until he explained this whole productivity and morale thing to me. But basically, after I left, productivity and morale went down due to me being one the workers who were happy to help and got there stuff done quick and efficiently. I even was offered a raise, of course, I declined, had a better job at the time.
Thanks to this video me and 2 other coworkers just found out that the new guy is making more than myself and his supervisor. Myself and the supervisor have degrees. and the new guy does not. We of course are not mad at the new guy but our boss is definitely getting an E-mail or two today.
UndertaleSkeleBros no experience is not better than a degree because technically in order to get a degree you have to be talked in it and if the new guy doesn't have a degree but he has experience in me to is probably working in a less money type of job if they both have degrees that means they were in college for 4 years and was taught that so technically a degree is better than experience
mxt mxt that's like saying someone with experience cooking is better than someone who was taught cooking remember experience can be bad as well you might learn it wrong or it did not teach you anything. Degree is still better science say so look it up
The guy who makes $6 a year makes $0.00684931508 an hour. Minimum wage is 1059 times as big. It would take that man 442 days to make the equivalent of an hour's pay for a minimum wage worker.
Its all well and good to ask for a reise, or full time work, or just to be treated like a human being. But you have to remember most new graduates have an impossibly difficult time finding work because of their lack of experience, which means most jobs already have plenty of candidates but only 1 opening. This means that if a new grad has a job he has to keep it no matter what. Bad pay? No Benefits? Bad treatment? The second a new grad complains about any of this he'll be replaced. If you have experience behind your back then you can negotiate salary, benefits, and the like. However, if you're someone with no work experience you take what little scraps they give you and be thankful they let you live with a roof over your head.
+MrMG191919 this must be an american custom? Don't they have graduate programs with businesses and gov? after a 3yr degree you can start with 200other people in one department for 60K+ benefits here in Oz.
+Jake Tuchel Even with job placement services most graduates are so inundated by student loan debt getting less than a specific amount of money places them in a bad financial situation early on and they have to suffer through years of barely making it (if they actually find a job in their graduate field) so that when they finally do come out of all the haze of their debt all they see is this epic battle they just faced and feel everyone else should have to fight that hard to get where they got.
+MrMG191919 there are plenty of countries in the world where the notion that "job seekers should crawls on their knees and beg for scraps from employers who are kind enough to offer any jobs at all" is seen as an archaic barbaric idea that has no place in the 21st century. there are countries where workers are seen as human beings with a right to live a decent life. I wonder why this works in those countries but "apparently" wouldn't work in america. thoughts?
+Cindy Cao the wage gap takes all women's earnings and all men's earnings and averages them. Women tend to take lower paying jobs in social sciences and liberal arts where as men take more higher paying jobs in STEM fields. Women also take more days off on average and many take maternity leave.
***** I'm sorry, but I don't know what you are talking about. No one is pressured to take certain jobs, quite the opposite, at least in my country (spain) everyone believes that everyone should do whatever they want. Maybe what you said was true many generations ago, but nowadays no one cares if women go into science or men go into nursing.
Oh my goodness me too!! Glad I'm not the only one. He looked so sad and it was seriously heart breaking. I don't even care it's not real, still pulled at my heart strings. :( Lol
I'm a state employee so you can search my salary in an online database. I know what all my coworkers make in the same location. Been working there 11.5 years, nobody died so far.
You do realize that for Walmart to pay every single worker a livable minimum wage, it would require them adding $0.10 to every package of macaroni and cheese? That's nothing. America has relied on the workers of companies big and small to work longer hours for less pay. That's not the American Dream. That's a rich man's dream. A dream only .1% of Americans will live.
My grandmother literally refuses to discuss anything money related in front of children out of fear that they would think it would be ok to do something like this.
+DarKMaTTeR I have never heard of such contracts. I honestly I would consider asking a legal expert to see if such contracts are actually illegal or not. If they are illegal then I think a judge should be able declare the contracts null and void.
netwolfe It seemed very weird to me the first time too. It is a major company copy-pasting the same contract on everyone, so I'm certain their legal team has discussed it. The pay is also very good, so nobody is really motivated to test this. The weirder part is that, even though they forbid me from disclosing my income and benefits to competitors or anyone in the workplace, I can totally discuss with anyone else. They even gave me a letter with the exact amount for my landlord.
Told my conservative mother about this. Her response was that it's wrong because if we discuss salaries we'll all be paid the same salary. And knowing businesses, that salary will be the minimum, which will help nobody. I don't know what to think about that.
The result of open salary discussion isn't absolute equal salary, the result is fair salary. We can all agree that high skilled professions deserve higher pay than low skill professions, but nondisclosure can put people of the same profession at risk of being paid under the market value of the job.
not really, if the company has to raise ALL salaries, it will inevitably incur in bigger expenses. And guess what? bigger expenses means less raises and less wages.
Johny, you already said that the salaries went up, so how would the wage increases be smaller? It would mean smaller profits for the company, lower salaries for the executives, and smaller increases in the stock price. However, the economy would do better because all those folks earning more money would spend more.
WHat? You makes 0 sense... salaries=wages...its the same thing I dont understand why u talk about it as if its 2 different things... "smaller profits" if the company has smaller profits how is the stock pile increasing in value? Are you drunk? Stock value is depending on the total value of the business, if you get less revenues the stock gets LOWER not higher.... "the economy would do better" you are totally drunk...a single business is not a country, the COUNTRY as a whole has increased revenue if we pay people more? YES but the SINGLE bUSINES DOES NOT! If I have a telephone company and I pay my employees 1 million each, I dont earn ANYTHING even if, after work, the same employees spend ALL their wages in diamonds and cars...why? because I OWN A GODDAMN TELEPHONE COMPANY, not the jewel or car ones...you are talking as if themarket as a whole is the same as a single business...you make no sense. GO home you are drunk.
