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Milling Machine "Wiggler" Centering Indicator: amzn.to/39SyspS
This week's tool tip is about an esoteric machining tool that Adam has used a few times lately in his machining projects. It's a "wiggler" center finder, used on his lathe and milling machine to perfectly line up the tool with the center of a piece of round stock. Adam used it recently to calibrate his lathe tailstock, and it's one of those tools where learning its name was a revelation for Adam's journey as a machinist!
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@tested 4 года назад

Milling Machine "Wiggler" Centering Indicator: amzn.to/39SyspS

@derschwartzadder 4 года назад

That isn't a wiggler.

@Chewie6 4 года назад

Show the dogo

@ianmoone2359 4 года назад

Currently unavailable - they don’t know when it will be back in stock.

@Jambunctious 4 года назад

I feel that someone could make a 4 gauge wiggler that would tell you which of the axes (x,-x,y,-y) was causing it to be out. I suppose going even further would be that it doesn't 'wiggle' it would just show how much force was placed on that axis on the last rotation. I know it doesn't take long to calibrate but this would just make the process simpler and quicker wouldn't it?

@sebastiancardoso7264 4 года назад

Hey Adam if you are reading this please take a look to the láser aligner that Dan gelbart demonstrates in one of His videos, you probably Will go woww. Sorry for my so so English!

@cimmy02 4 года назад

its called a coaxial indicator

@ABoringTool 4 года назад

The wiggler, got it

@diggumsmack2 4 года назад

A wiggler is a different tool than what Adam was displaying.

@lpfreak1708 4 года назад

Yup, not a wiggler. Coaxial indicator

@ypaulbrown 4 года назад

Yes!!!

@alex0589 4 года назад

I thought “coaxial indicator” was the big letters on your old crt TV when the cable went out

@robertreither6917 4 года назад

Hallo, Im a Service Engineer for CNC milling and lathes I use a Haimer Centro which is similar to your measuring device. (0.003mm centering accuracy) my tip don't let the spindle turn automatically. when centering move the spindle by hand, vibrations are avoided and more precise centering is possible. Thanks for your videos, greetings Robert

@chuckoneill2023 4 года назад

Robert - some of the instructions I’m reading are telling me that you need to use this with the spindle running - slowly - because the dynamics of the machine when static are not the same.

@robertreither6917 4 года назад

@@chuckoneill2023 Hallo, You are right and of course if the spindle is okay you should let it run low speed and center it. In Adam's case the noise/vibrations of the bad bearing let the indicator jump so it's not possible to differ between noise and offset. Best to fix the Spindel first 😉😁

@Tamonduando 4 года назад

I came to say this. It feels better to use it by hand first.

@PhongTran-gu6fb 3 года назад

U got run it at high speed

@PhongTran-gu6fb 3 года назад

Around 1200rpm just like a edge finder , it’s more accurate at high rpm

@elmergriffin8369 4 года назад

"Co-axial indicator" is the correct name or Coax indicator. There is a wiggler indicator but it is different looking.

@iliopsoasL5 4 года назад

"slow clap..." Well done.

@tracylemme1375 4 года назад

A wiggler is for centering a mark and is very useful. It can also be used as an edge finder. I have a coax indicator, but I use very little. I prefer an edgefinder if going only to a couple of thousandths. It is much faster for me. If greater accuracy is needed. I use a test indicator on an Indicol.

@williamknopp6936 4 года назад

But wiggler sounds better sooooooo

@vaderdudenator1 4 года назад

Yep, beat me to it. A wiggler is totally different

@dmbworks8094 4 года назад

"co-axial" and if you want to support an american company making them for about the last century look up Blake Mfg Co.

@Nicoya 4 года назад

There's no better way to learn the correct name of a tool than to call it by the incorrect name multiple times on the internet.

@No1sonuk 3 года назад

Yeah. I was wondering why he thought a wiggler was "a little bit spendy" until I saw he was talking about a whole different tool.

@AndrossUT 5 месяцев назад

@@No1sonuk the wiggler goes on the end of the axial dial indicator. The dial indicator isn't the wiggler part.

@No1sonuk 5 месяцев назад

@@AndrossUT This is what I envisaged when he said "wiggler": ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RhtBdar4iVg.html

@No1sonuk 5 месяцев назад

@@AndrossUT In case my linked post doesn't go through: Google "wiggler centre finder" and you'll see what we mean about the wrong name...

@lukebruheim1723 Месяц назад

That power drawbar works slick.... Who made it? I'd like one like that for my machine

@hitwerterfinder4595 4 года назад

The "noise" in the meassurement is also caused by the surface roughness of the hole.

@amso9 4 года назад

Yes, Adam needs to lube the hole.

@hitwerterfinder4595 4 года назад

@@amso9 Best thing would be to touch of on the outside diameter of the part. Since it is a turned surface it will be more round and smoother.

@EvilGTV 4 года назад

@@amso9 Will still be lumpy, just lubricated. What he needs to do is give that hole a good reaming.... I hear lube can help with this process too.

@luluuk 4 года назад

Great comment. Was thinking the exact same, although some wiggle in the old spindle head system will add up too.

@yak-machining 4 года назад

@@EvilGTV 😂

@stepsinpairs 4 года назад

This video and the tailstock repair video were brought to you by Adam's word of the week: concentricity

@daanwilmer 4 года назад

It's the AWOW!

@bazzatron9482 4 года назад

I'm still not sure he knows what it means though. He occasionally uses it to describe one thing "the concentricity of this circle", rather than using it to describe the relationship between two things. It'd like saying "this line is parallel" - parallel to what???

@metalman6708 4 года назад

Yeah he uses it wrong though. You're not lining up the concentricity finding center. You can say these two turned diameters are concentric to each other. GD&T gets real complicated.

@jeepmanxj 4 года назад

Work in a machine shop long enough and you won't even think the word is strange.

@melody3741 2 года назад

@@metalman6708 a center point is an infinitely small circle concentric to another....

@kentsugden6865 4 года назад

Good video, just thought I'd share a tip: It's a lot faster when you don't turn on the mill. If you turn the spindle by hand it's much easier to tell where the high/low spots are and which way to move the table. Also that's a coaxial indicator. A wiggler/wobbler is a regular old edge finder.

@EvilGTV 4 года назад

Yep, that's how I normally use mine. High/Low in neutral for easier rotation, check at 180 degrees along one axis, split the difference, repeat on the other axis, then fine tune as needed. Very quick that way, and no chasing a test indicator around the mill, or mirrors.

@crawford323 4 года назад

Miss you guys and we still mourn Grant’s passing. Thank you for your spirit and the willingness to teach and share.

@interex2050 4 года назад

What you have there is referred to as a co-axial indicator. Even the provided link has the correct title. A wiggler is a completely different piece of equipment, also referred to as a center finder (i.e. Starrett S-828H).

@interex2050 4 года назад

As an additional note, there is a more accurate (direct) and potentially cheaper way to do this. This involve using a mirror, test indicator and stand (although for small bores most test indicators will come with their own arbors). The idea here is that you mount either the indicator or the stand/indicator into the machine spindle and rotate the spindle by hand. As the indicator is swept along the rim of the bore the deflection of the indicator will show (use mirror to see the dial as it rotates around) the deviation from center (just like the co-axial indicator). Adjust as needed to center. The reason this method has the potential of higher accuracy is two fold, firstly there is no reliance on the accuracy of the co-axial indicator (some are just not all that accurate) and secondly a 0.0001" test indicator can be had for a reasonable price.

@ADBBuild 4 года назад

@@interex2050 If you use an indicator holder like an Indicol, you can orient the indicator flat with the dial facing up and then you don't need a mirror. I've never used a coaxial indicator I would call "precision". They all seem to be sloppy and inaccurate. A little bit of skill with a dial indicator is WAY faster/more accurate.

@interex2050 4 года назад

@@ADBBuild Excellent point, there are certainly many options that make the process more convenient. Though I was more alluding to that this can be done with tools that most will already have on hand (those with machine tools anyhow).

@jonnyblaze_666 4 года назад

I'm a time served toolmaker,it's a lot easier with a dial test indicator on a swing arm

@classicbandgeek 4 года назад

This is a coaxial indicator or bore dial, not a wiggler. A wiggler is used like an edge finder or center finder

@glyph241 4 года назад

✅

@TheThomasCOOPER 4 года назад

Yup, whoever told him this is a wiggler is horribly wrong! Not enough wiggle in this doohickey

@noodles7011 4 года назад

You would think this clown would know what he is talking about before giving "tips"

@rmvdhaak 4 года назад

@@noodles7011 Kindly fuck off.

@ianmoone2359 4 года назад

Garrett Goodfellow Centre finder? Adam couldn’t find the cheeks of his own ass with both hands, if you loaned him a bloodhound to sniff it out and a mirror on a stick to view it! 😜😂😂😉👍

@aka_pcfx 4 года назад

My technique for this kind of center finder is to never have it run in a powered spindle. Only bad things can come from that. How I always explained it to the new guys/gals: 1. Set your machine to high gear or preferably neutral, so that you can spin it by hand easily 2. get the position roughly right 3. position the needle to trace a circle that's a bit bigger than the hole/smaller than the boss you are probing 4. bend it in and lower it into place 5. orient it in x+ and zero the readout 6. orient in x- check readout and position the table half it, then zero again 7. orient in y+ and position the table to zero 8. check your work (repeat 5-8 as necessary) fast, simple, precise. The biggest problem these things have is that they need a massive amount of z height, which at our machines was at a premium

@orangedream267 4 года назад

This is the proper way to do it. And for the love of metrology, don't run your spindle any faster than 20-25 rpm, your precision instruments will thank you. If you do it by hand, so much the better.

@deefdragon 4 года назад

to me, doing it up-powered feels both safer and more accurate as you can tune it like you would tune a 4-jaw.

@orangedream267 4 года назад

@@deefdragon what's safe about a running spindle with you or your hands near it. Safest: no spindle power, slightly unsafe: spindle under low speed 10-15rpm, Do not go any faster: 25 rpm (or you risk burning up indicator tips), okay-don't-touch-my-machine-anymore: this video. A spindle if it's bigger than a tiny toy servo or something Will Not Care that your finger got caught in the coaxial indicator. And it will rip it off. There's a reason some of the older machinists lack a finger or two.

@kentsugden6865 4 года назад

@@orangedream267 I'm assuming autocorrect dicked him and he meant un-powered

@orangedream267 4 года назад

@@kentsugden6865 I never ever assume near something that can rip my extremities off. Or electricity. 480V will happily kill you and it'll hurt the whole time you are dying. If someone says the machine is on, I'll take their word for it. If they say it's off and disconnected, I whip out a multimeter to check if they lied (and truth be told, if they lied about it being on as well, but there's a point I'm trying to make).

@plugemup8678 4 года назад

Faster is a "cone" to press into hole the center before clamping the part. Then the switch to edge finders to verify ;)

@daffyf6829 4 года назад

Excellent tip, thank you

@whateg01 4 года назад

That will get you close, and often close is close enough. However, if there is a burr on the edge, or if the surface you are dialing in isn't a complete circle, such as a hole through a tube, that won't work. Sometimes a coaxial indicator won't even work well in situations like that. A DTI in an indicol has never failed me. Coax indicators are pretty convenient sometimes, though.

@steveattree9674 3 года назад

I am no super machinist, but I still prefer to just indicate my holes. Is there an advantage to this coaxial thing

@daffyf6829 3 года назад

@@steveattree9674 if you've ever found yourself twisting awkwardly to see your indicator, that's when a coaxial is handy. It is more of a thing of convenience.

@ABoringTool 4 года назад

Adam, I have over 69 years of experience with millin & drillin, and the official name for that tool is Mr. Wigglesworth. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

@kylekinsey2624 4 года назад

He goes by Wiggly. Mr. Wigglesworth is his father.

@montlejohnbojangles8937 4 года назад

Of the Hartfordshire Wigglesworths, naturally.

@PeterSmith-ls7ut 4 года назад

Not Mr Wiggly worm then ?

@archieval49 4 года назад

Personaly I prefer a vertical dial test indicator mounted on an "indicol" holder a lot faster and more accurate. Only time I use a co-ax indicator is when the hole is too deep.

@tiagolomar 4 года назад

Co axial indicator is very fast too...the correct use isn't showed in video.... I prefer to rotate the quill manualy and split the diference in one axis...much more faster

@aserta 4 года назад

Yup. Coax's are very particular in use. I mean, there's a reason, most kits come with rods that allow you to go up to 30 cm deep. It's a last resort tool, very twitchy. A last word (or other brands, but style) dial indicator is the tool for concentricity.

@orangedream267 4 года назад

@@aserta The only difference between a coax dial indicator and a normal dial indicator is that one is designed to sit in a rotating fixture. And both can be finicky, but it's up you to choose the correct tip and application of each. Also, you can check concentricity with a coax just fine, the tip just has to be able to reach both features. If your concentricity is good, your delta on the dial won't change (per feature). And that goes for both indicators. If you have a dial on a mag base that you've attached to the face of your spindle and you have the arm going literally everywhere in a 10ft cube around the machine (pretend for a moment the arm of the mag base can have as much length as needed to fill that cube and can move through solid objects) as long as that little tip can touch the two or more features you're checking (you can even move the arm to check the other feature because you're not moving X or Y on your spindle) you'll find out how concentric they are. This is the quick and dirty way. To do it the 'hoity toity' I'm-better-than-you way, you get yourself a CMM and check that shit like the lab rat you are. (I would probably take it to the CMM, because I like being precise)

@xenonram 4 года назад

@@tiagolomar It's a lot faster to do it while the spindle is spinning.

@Rhoxyerworld 4 года назад

Co axial indicators can actually be more accurate than a traditional indicator. Anything that is horizontal actually has a minute amount of drop when the shaft is not spinning. And to be honest anything other than a Blake is untrustworthy.

@19jaredbarsuglia81 4 года назад

A “wiggler” is a different type of edge finder. This is a coaxial indicator. “Co-Axe”

@diggumsmack2 4 года назад

Oh how I wish he'd stop saying wiggler! A show with the viewership like this could change machine shop lingo for years! For the worse

@badreddinekasmi8919 4 года назад

@@diggumsmack2 That might be a little over dramatic. And he ask for the name so I'm sure he'll use the proper name after that.

@kennyc1375 4 года назад

The reason I love looking at Adam's comment section: someone will always answer everyone's curiosity.

@ArcticWind444 4 года назад

Cunningham's Law in action. :)

@noodles7011 4 года назад

You would think he would get his facts strait before giving "TiPs" I cant watch this clown any more. I'm glad I read this comment.

@clubdjmarcus 4 года назад

A coaxial indicator, with the right accessories you can dial in not just in one plain but axial as well, so the center of a bore or outside cylinder along the z-axis.

@dominic6634 4 года назад

True- former machinist

@googleuser859 4 года назад

@@dominic6634 why would he lie?

@DieselRamcharger 4 года назад

@@googleuser859 most people are mistaken not liars. but the end result is still the same. the spread of false information.

@tiagolomar 4 года назад

@@googleuser859 he doesn't lie...he simple doesn't know how to use it and what this tool can do.....

@dominic6634 4 года назад

@@googleuser859 never said he did.

@michaelmartin6032 4 года назад

The epic music as the needle got closer made this video. Thanks adam

@ZippoVarga 4 года назад

I couldn't live without my wiggler. Being in the machining and industrial field most of my adult life, the right tool for the job is always your mind first, then the tool. Very well done Adam! Hats off to you my Friend. Cheers! Zip~

@FastSloW-qt8xf 4 года назад

Coaxials are life changing on the mill. And make fixing your lathe tailstock easy

@billfroh3080 4 года назад

I prefer to spin the quilt by hand. Check the + and - side of the x and y axis'. If your hole is concentric you should have the same reading all the way around. If your hole is eccentric dial the + and - side of x axis to the same value and repeat for the y axis. This tool is also an excellent option for sweeping the head of your mill to guarantee it is perpendicular to your work peice, mill table or vice.

@DRrandomman22 4 года назад

Coaxial indicator. Also given enough time you'll fine a test indicator on a arm will bring you a more accurate indication but the coaxial is quicker.

@xenonram 4 года назад

The difference between a DTI and a coax will never reveal itself on his machine, with his skill set, making the parts he makes. The clamp on the right side is barely even clamping on the stock. (On the left at 1:30 ) He's never going to need to hold tenths.

@mathewhammond6843 4 года назад

We never used a stop to stop the gauge from spinning. That's smarter than just grabbing it.

@archieval49 4 года назад

7:02 shows why I don't.

@LCIsner20 4 года назад

If it was on the rod, instead of the tapered part of the base, I think it would have better results. Any thoughts?

@archieval49 4 года назад

@@LCIsner20 Yes it would. Me, I just keep on forgetting that its there. I'm afraid it might snap on the thread.

@BillJonesiii 4 года назад

I think I saw on the manual of the one I used that if you use high enough rpms, the dial is supposed to stay in place and not spin. That never worked out though so I ended up using one hand to turn the spindle and the other to steady the dial. Looks like the stabilizer bar setup is a better and safer setup.

@Marlfox570 4 года назад

@jaxonriddleAt my work, some of our older cnc machines don't have a fancy probe, so I've used a co-ax tons of times with a high level of precision spinning around 100 rpm. We often have +- 0.001" tolerances on certain features and a high quality CMM double checks our work. You just need to get a decent quality co-ax and get a good feel for using it, just like with any indicator.

@sharkbaitsurfer 4 месяца назад

People griping that it's called a coaxial indicator not a wiggler misses the point in my opinion - what is so engaging is the clarity of the explanation and enthusiasm that exudes from Adam's video. Adam thank you for a concise, entertaining and engaging explanation of using a device to perfectly centre over a hole and I literally don't care what it's called because I can google that part...

@hawkeye454 4 года назад

Adam's self-filmed videos are hands down the best.

@jeremydoblinger3609 4 года назад

He may have miss spoke but he does have his own lathe and milling machine and manages to build and fabricate anything he wants. He's very talented..

@RoelfvanderMerwe 4 года назад

These videos are the only good thing to come out of this Coronavirus crisis. I dont want it to stop!

@Graywoolf25 4 года назад

Your hands on explanation are gold Adam. Please keep this tool tips videos coming.

@Matt__just_a_guy 4 года назад

man i love the sound of the chuck on that machine

@daveco1270 4 года назад

Loved the dramatic music and slow camera push-in as the wiggler was being centered. Way to build some tension.

@dustinthewind357 4 года назад

That is so cool! When I was 12 ish I wanted make things, but I only had very basic tools. I now geek out when I see tools that would have helped me back then, and today. One day I will have a shop like Adam's!

@vankuipland 4 года назад

I have always used and still use my British “ Verdict “ T8 dial test indicator “ 26 mm dial dia. It has an auto reverse stylus and swivel spigot. I have seen (and used only once ) these Co-Ex indicators but find them bulky an cumbersome and very expensive ! To clock out this ( rough ) hole with my Verdict would have taken me about 30 seconds or less ! Trust me ( 60 year experience as a toolmaker ) This way you don’t need all those different feelers for inside an outside ! If you want to go beyond the reach of this DTI you make a simple adaptor in which you can slide a rod and you would be able to clock out as far as you like and that includes square/ rectangular shapes. I might start a channel in the near future because watching this sort of thing frustrates the hell out of me but I respect you effort !

@gavey100 4 года назад

I can’t explain how much we all like these tool and one day build videos love from 🇬🇧

@Jackalbeez 4 года назад

I use the coaxial indicator in the mill and the lathe. It is a fantastic tool and is a "must have" for any machine shop.

@tompeppint.v.3803 4 года назад

Never seen anyone else use one. I was feeling old. I used it for finding center on diesel injectors in heads when re manning them.

@hellbounddeciple 4 года назад

@adam Savage's Tested its called a Co-Ax. Wiggler is an old school tool that has multiple styles that can be used to pick up scribe lines, edges of blocks.

@ChristopherAmrich 4 года назад

Fantastic editing on that slow zoom! The drama!

@S0K0N0MI 4 года назад

Life must be beautiful with so many wonderful toys to work with. You've won at living, Adam!

@johntaylor1947 4 года назад

Adams name for it works. The wiggler is a easy way to tram in your mills head stock. I had a disk brake rotor turned with no lip left on the back side so the rotor lays flat on the mill table and the way rotors are turned cutting both sides simultaneously both sides are perfectly parallel so the long feeler of the wiggler can be set to run around on the rotors front / top surface. Their is plenty of surface so the rotor dose not have to be centered under the quill just close. It is a tool that is a must have.

@Cinnabuns2009 4 года назад

We use Dial Test Indicators at work to do this quickly and easily. Decent ones run ~$80-125. Setup is as simple as using a regular edge finder and you don't power on the mill, just put it in neutral.

@BBBILLY86 4 года назад

In your concentric part I can see touching off the od to find the center. This looks great for parts that have edges outside the bounds of quill movement or pre-existing holes with no concentric relation to the edges. Very cool

@jdeglers 4 года назад

When doing this on a Moore jig boring machine we used dial indicators. The machine has a spot to place a wrench for manually turning the spindle. Using a dial indicator that reads to 0.00005 we were able to dial in kerosine fuel pumps that had to be bored to 0.0001+/- diameter in a 1/5” gear pocket that was about 1” deep. It was nerve wracking work when I started, then the easiest thing ever once I’d done it 20 times!

@davidharris8861 4 года назад

It is a coaxial indicator, and through all my years experience, you can save a lot of time by rotating it by hand to almost center it with in a half thousandths, of an inch, before turning on the spindle. I also found most of the sets, that the price is "affordable ", to the average person, the tips of the probes are plastic, and flatten very quickly. Blake coaxial indicators have all metal tips, and for extra money, you can even get carbide tips!

@MrChief101 4 года назад

To get the last bit of tool prep out of the way before chucking your indicators-- my teacher taught me to run my finger inside the quill. Get any tiny chips or dust/hair out.

@fuckyalife1892 4 года назад

Ok. I've watched you forever man. And a mill rebuild would be amazing. I would love to see you do one. Mostly because you go into deep detail. So that woukd be amazing So please do one

@matthewhelton1725 4 года назад

Keith Fenner at Turnwright Machine works has a couple of videos on rebuilding "Buffy" the Bridgeport Mill... worth your time.

@fuckyalife1892 4 года назад

@@matthewhelton1725 thanks man. I'll check it out

@iNerdier 4 года назад

The guy is great at many things but boy does he not have the patience or exactness necessary to rebuild a spindle.

@denny9931 4 года назад

@@iNerdier I mean you can learn anything, some things are just kind of expensive and maybe dangerous.

@matthewhelton1725 4 года назад

@@iNerdier Truth. Tool rebuilding is not to be rushed. I have a South bend Vertical Mill head to do in the near future...

@thewireninja 4 года назад

During the slow zoom in on the wiggler I turned off the volume and played the interstellar docking theme at full blast. It was great.

@ErnestDuarte 4 года назад

I have a tool built by some old dude in his basement it's called Vyndicator and I absolutely love it to reset my centerline in my Y axis lathe. It's also nice to tram XZ & YZ in a mill.

@kyfho47 4 года назад

Love all the shop videos, Adam. Keep them coming. I really miss my weekly dose of MB. It would really awesome if, in the future, you could have some of the old crew join you in the shop (Miss you Grant).

@Raynsideways 4 года назад

I really liked the progression of the last few videos. It felt like a story. First you set out to make the giant bolt, this causes an issue with the lathe tailstock, so the next video is you fixing the tailstock. Then, you use the wiggler to make sure the tailstock is centered, and the next video you did a tooltip on the wiggler! It really felt like a process.

@FusionSource 4 года назад

Hey Adam, love your tool tips. I have been trying to organize my tools , inspired by your workshop. That center-finder tool is awesome, love the wiggler, lol.

@TheThomasCOOPER 4 года назад

You'd like an actual wiggler even more! They're super cool, simple, cheap and accurate.

@googleuser859 4 года назад

You should buy some of those spiral pointed taps he always talks about.

@davidjames1007 4 года назад

Coaxial indicator is what I know it as, I use mine on my lathe to check tail stock alignment as well as all sorts of other alignment on the mill

@wilbertrongibson 4 года назад

So a Coax indicator is used with the machine under power and the DTI, dial test indicator is used by turning the spindle by hand and has a multitude of other uses. A wiggler is an edge finder which in the UK we call a wobbler.

@scottbrownley9594 4 года назад

Hi Adam, great video. I havnt trawled through all the comments but one thing i noticed was the way you clamped the work down could be done a bit safer. The left hand bar had the outer end on the step block higher than the inner end holding the work, which is good, yet the outer end on the right hand side looked lower than the inside end of the bar, which is a nono - leverage wise. also the pinch bolts need to be as close to the work as possible, just my honest opinion. just want ya to be safe mate. keep up the awesome work!

@curtisrodrigue9644 4 года назад

You can also use a dial indicator and sweep the diameter of the peice, Assuming you've checked the spindle is set on centre with the table.

@gregoryfulton6721 2 года назад

Co-axial dial indicator. A wiggler is a tool several different nose pcs. indicator holder, edge finder and a point for picking up scribed locations or center punched locations

@UncleKennysPlace 4 года назад

I had a 'chucking cone' used to get things on the mill _close enough._ It had a long taper, and fit into the R-8 spindle; you drop the spindle into the hole, it got within 0.002" if you were careful. And if your hole ain't round ...

@sliveredtongue 4 года назад

I don't know who chose the music to play over the wiggler/co-axe close-up, but it's kinda perfect and I respect that.

@Tom2112Tom 4 года назад

I learned from watching machinist RU-vid channels that its easier to dial in a wiggler if you do NOT turn on the spindle of your mill. Manually turn the spindle to each of the four axis points and record the indicator's measurement. Use your math to find the center point of each (x and y) and dial you table adjustments to match. If you'd like to confirm your center (always a good idea) turn the spindle on to observe how wiggly or stationary it is, and it that meets your tolerances. If you'd like to make the math a little easier on yourself, turn the spindle to one of the four cardinal points (preferably the bottom of the circle) and zero the indicator. Then turn the spindle to the top point of the circle and note the measurement. Adjust your table 1/2 of that measurement in the positive y direction. Do the same for the x direction using the left side of the circle as your zero.

@ronslaughterandalice1018 4 года назад

It's called a co-axis indicator and mostly used on Boring Mill work. Test indicator with mill head disengaged is faster picking up a hole free hand.

@jimmccann3234 4 года назад

Besides the edge finder, the coaxial indicator is my go to tool when indicating my work, followed by a dial indicator. A decent new coaxial indicator can be bought online for about one hundred dollars.

@marley589 3 года назад

Set the speed low before loading the coax indicator could save a mishap. You can use the bar holder on the lower right of the quill casting to stop the unit from rotating. Insert a 1/4" rod & clamp with the thumbscrew. I like to keep magnets away from my vice as it can magnetize it slightly & affect the accuracy when using wigglers.

@weedfreer 4 года назад

they often use similar to make sure bits are centred correctly in tools used in manufacturing stuff like aeroplane engine parts.

@logancarr6242 4 года назад

that stylist you had at 5:25 is mostly used for setting your zeros at the center of a boss used on the o.d.

@listerdave1240 4 года назад

A wiggler as I know it is something different, being an edge finder rather than a center finder. It's a very simple device made of a probe with a ball joint and a socket that goes into the quill. I didn't know about the device shown here in the video but for centering I use practically the same method except that instead of a specifically designed instrument I just use a lateral dial gauge and turn the quill manually. It is somewhat less convenient of course because the dial turns with the quill rather than being stationary facing towards me, which is what I find need about the tool shown here.

@SpencerWebb 4 года назад

Respectfully, a wiggler is a different tool. That’s a coaxial indicator.

@davidhile5363 4 года назад

Big difference !!!

@jerryjohnsonii4181 4 года назад

Very interesting tool an thanks for the knowledge about this Wiggler machining center-finder , Adam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Kurtaurus 4 года назад

It's a Diacator in Germany, love that word. My instructor made me familiar with it half a life ago

@ClumsyCars 4 года назад

Adam is the ultimate tool.

@rheubengreen8612 3 года назад

When the music kicked in.....it was the first time in my life I wanted to cheer for machinery

@lhbeau1 4 года назад

"Coaxial indicator" is the name I've always used.

@robertwinsper7409 6 месяцев назад

You have some slack in the vertical axis somewhere. You can see the grey body of the wiggler bouncing up and down relative to the background during the early phase of the actual "centre finding". It improves as you iterate towards the centre. That will exaggerate the needle movement if you have any roughness in the hole/ surface that you are setting the centre from.

@89ludeawakening1 4 года назад

An easy way to set the mill to the center of what your working on is measure and mark the center of the material with an X with string. Then chuck in a center punch and bring it down and touch the center of the x on the string. It will be as close to actual center that you can get without using the tool shown in the video.

@IGmeanwell 4 года назад

I think they are just called Mill Center Finder but “wiggler” will always get you what you need

@eminatorstudios 4 года назад

Adam is just the master of Wigglers, Thwackers and Thingiemaboos and we love him for it

@roidmongerful 4 года назад

It’s called a centricator, and you’re not supposed to use it like Adam does in the video.

@andrebyman8744 4 года назад

droidmonger How do you think it’s supposed to be used? The tool he has is a coaxial indicator which I use in a very similar way all the time on lathes.

@orangedream267 4 года назад

@@andrebyman8744 Mainly, it's the RPM. You never ever do anything under power if you can help it when you're doing precision work. Specifically, locations. There are a few exceptions, but those are CNC checks, which are not what the vid's about. Truth be told, Adam should check backlashes too, to make sure he's centering in the direction he's going to eventually cut to minimize error later, he might lose a couple of tenths if the backlash on the axes aren't bad, or more if he's doing both X and Y. And if the backlash is bad, as in beyond a thou, well his part isn't going to be the greatest, assuming tolerances are rather strict. Do note, I consider anything over a thou as loose as a elementary school kid's shoelace. Or your favorite lady of the night. Whatever floats your boat for an analogy.

@andrebyman8744 4 года назад

Orange Dream Oh yeah, I agree he set it spinning way too fast. He could’ve probably done it quicker rotating it by hand too.

@johndennis3181 4 года назад

I use the Renishaw probe set up on my CNCs... Life is so hard. But on the knee mills I like the indicol holder and test indicator, you can use this setup for edge fining as well.

@PaddyQuiggin 4 года назад

After seeing this on clickspring for SO MANY EPISODES it's great to finally know how it actually works

@KipdoesStuff 4 года назад

One of my tests in my basic machining course was to use a dial indicator to center a piece of round stock in a 3 jaw chuck. Same concept except I was the wiggler.

@darkwinter6028 4 года назад

As everyone else is saying, it’s a Coaxial Indicator. A wiggler is a different tool (personally, I don’t like them; I prefer either a conventional edge finder for nonmetallic work, or an electrical one for metal workpieces). Also, I’ll usually put the mill in neutral and spin it by hand (my mill has a spindle nose that I can grab by hand; not all of them do).

@rjserra5535 4 года назад

Hi Adam, do yourself a favor and get a Holder Quill Clamp, (also known as a Spindle Clamp), and a dial indicator. Attach the dial indicator to the Quill Clamp. The Quill Clamp attaches to the rotating part of the quill just above where you mount the collet. Once mounted lower the dial indicator stylus into the hole and adjust the dial indicator stylus so it just touches the inside (or outside) of the surface you want to indicate concentric to the mill head. Put the gear shift into neutral so the quill shaft will turn easily by hand. DO NOT TURN ON THE MILL. Turn the quill by hand and read the dial indicator at locations that are 180 degree apart one axis at a time. After each reading move the mill table half the difference in the readings in the direction of the low reading. Repeat this process until there is no difference in the indicator readings from side to side. Once this process is complete in both axis the reading on the dial indicator will be the same in all locations. (And yes, you have to move your head around to the sides and back of the work piece to read the dial indicator in all 4 positions.) When you have it done correctly the dial on the dial indicator will not move as you rotate the quill around a full rotation. This is a lot easier and faster then what you are doing now. Also, what you are doing now can potentially damage the indicator on your coaxial indicator. Love you videos. You are always interesting and creative.

@TwennyGeee 4 года назад

In Maggie’s next life. She will be a master builder. Always listening. Always with Adam I think lol

@willeakins 4 года назад

Add a tiny bearing to end of probes Reduces drag of tip and is better all a round! You can find on McMaster You'll need to reduce ball on stock probe and use super glue to attach

@wadewilson4867 4 года назад

I’ve been a journeyman machinist/ tool and die maker since 1987 and 1989. According to my mentors back in the day they stated, a co-ax indicator is made for “Farmers”. Let me know if ya want any tips in the future. God Bless 😊

@avenderael 3 года назад

As many have stated, it's a coaxial indicator. Also its quicker if you spin the indicator with your hand to find the high and low directions in one axis, calculate half in your head, and then move it that much in that axis. Then repeat for the other direction. You might do it again as a tweak but you're probably already at center by that point. I personally do not like spinning it so much in the hole where it can cause friction and wear so I avoid turning on the spindle.

@Corbald 4 года назад

There's another kind of Wiggler, where you use the centripetal force from the quill to loosley position an arm along the axis of spin. It's for lining up with markup lines and punch marks.

@tommykelley7826 4 года назад

a coaxial indicator! i friggin love those things, they make life so good

@ericthcartman1 4 года назад

Bore dial, used them all the time when setting up engine blocks to bore the cylinders out

@donmathias1705 4 года назад

For all you folks out there that only have a conventional Mitutoyo finger clock. I weld an 8 mm dowel to a 10 mm dowel. I hold the 10 mm in my collet. The 8 mm dowel is welded at about 120 deg to the vertical 10 mm dowel. ie the end is hanging down. I then use a conventional finger indicator and use the dovetail mount on the angled portion to hold the body of the finger clock and flick the stylus downwards. I offer up to the hole and carefully rotate the spindle by hand and get a preliminary idea of centre. Adjust table position and repeat. Very very fast and by holding the finger indicator with the face upwards, you can always see your indicator face. It requires very little free height, you don't need a special tool and it is affordable. If I have a big bore to clock or a large face I have a range of different "sticks" I can choose from that I have made up over the years. If you have an interrupted hole surface you can also gently clock over it. You don't have to use a mirror or be a contortionist to view the clock face when you are hand turning the spindle. I use the same method with a long "arm" to check the squareness of the spindle to the table if I have moved the quill at an angle or if I need to re clock my vices.

@lagweezle 4 года назад

Er, would "finger clock" be a "dial test indicator"?

@donmathias1705 4 года назад

@@lagweezle A dial test indicator comes in several versions. I expect everyone know what a finger clock is when dealing with this topic.

@ashlardarned2540 4 года назад

Please do more esoteric tool tips, even if they're expensive! I know that I don't know what's out there, and I want to know just in case it might solve a problem in the future!

@lucashill1504 4 года назад

Hey Adam I go to a tech school I would like to see you come to my tech school and see how we run things. I want you to see if we would run things to the specifications that you would run at your own shop. I love your own videos and I think it’s quite inspirational to most people to show how they can get into different trades.

@wadewilson4867 4 года назад

In other words, show Adam the correct way. He’s a very talented man, however, Adam knows enough about machine set up / operation to be dangerous. Cheers

@generalbismark7163 4 года назад

Dial indicators I personally think do the job just as well and really this thing is just a fancy specific use one

@anthonynekic294 4 года назад

Hey Adam! Appreciate you admiring the machining trade, I myself am a Journeyman Machinist, if you ever have any questions let me know!

@Dennio83 4 года назад

"The outside of the hole" 😂 I love this man so much.

@Craftlngo 4 года назад

shoutout to Clickspring. I learned there, what a wiggler does. I really hope he's continuing his work on the reconstruction of the mechanism of antikythera.

@metalextras 4 года назад

It is called by many names; coaxial Indicator, centering tester, or 3D hole tester, very essential process for milling, reaming and threading...

@ajdaters 4 года назад

Missed a chance to add the music from Interstellar - Hans Zimmer - No Time For Caution

@adrianblack7966 4 года назад

If that scene isn't the most exciting thing to happen in space since Ripley blew the xenomorph out of the airlock I'll eat my phaser!

@c0mputer 4 года назад

Now everyone thinks this tool is called a wiggler. RU-vid “makers” with mills are going to start calling them wigglers now.

@kingsman428 3 года назад

I'm getting a said *wiggler*

@everythingquads 4 года назад

Been a manual and CNC miller for a few years now. I use a wiggler to find and edge and a .0001" DTI on an articulated arm to get the spindle concentric to the hole or OD of a round body. That a great tool though, should I stumble across one, ill be putting it in my tool box.

@JiuJitsuStuTru 4 года назад

Indicol and Indicator would do the job very well also. And you have one of the most important and useful tools in machining. You can reference from external diameter and indicate perpendicularity. Im sure the wiggler can be just as fast however with practice.

@philiplandgrebe2293 4 года назад

Such a joy to view any of the videos by Tested :D

@slash09r1 2 года назад

It's a coaxial-indicator. A wiggler is an edge finder, which will still find a hole center. On a bridgeport or any mill with an easily rotated spindle I would still prefer a dial test indicator and a mirror if needed.