With all the enhancements, does Adam Smasher have cyberpsychosis or was he so psychotic before becoming a cyborg that he actually became psychotic-sane? 🤔
Cyber psychosis can only occur to someone with humanity, Smasher already had a binary psychology of kill or be killed so he de facto cannot have cyberpsychosis. doc.offcall made a really good video on this.
No he couldn't. No he couldn't. No he couldn't. No he couldn't. No he couldn't. shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup. Lucy is fine, Lucy is okay, everything's fine. ;_;
@@Tetratronic That’s the official time one so that’s correct however they also stated that they’ll be putting most of the chips into the new Witcher game for a while we probably won’t see a new cyberpunk game for another eight years
Alternatively I would like to get some major borg setups. I want to be a chromed out king of chaos and see something other than metallic lines in my arms.
So apparently in the Cyberpunk tabletops, Adam Smasher was a roughly equivalent hazard to the Tarrasque from DnD. You were never really supposed to fight him, and if you did, it was a harsh fight for even high level characters. He could be taken a bit easier if you had someone running a hacker build, as that was his relative weakness, but from what I've heard, it still wasn't easy per-se. The reason 2077 had him so nerfed is pretty much because he was a regular boss, rather than a deterrent for being mindlessly violent and stupid. Unfortunately, because of the questionable AI, and general lack of fine tuning, he can just kind of be a joke if you run certain builds. And apparently, canonically, V is kinda supposed to be sort of special like that. Something about having Johnny in your head and being able to upgrade however you want without going psycho.
True the only character who matched Adam Smasher was his true rival Morgan Blackhand, who’s just as unkillable as Smasher WITHOUT the Netrunner minor weakness since he relies on meat over machine. Those two are the toughest fights in the series
Fighting Adam in a Tabletop campaign is a call from the GM, he's pissed you've ruined his setting by doing mindless shit or it was planned since the start of the campaign to end it, if your team manage to beat him well, the campaign still stop but your characters are still alive and became fucking legends (once a GM kept our old Character sheets from a campaign where we successfully beat Smasher and call them back as the end bosses for another some times after, with better chromes because we still had some space for some before being on the verge of Cyberpsychosis, we havn't saw it comming and they wrecked us)
this is not completely true, during the night city holocaust Morgan Blackhand fought adam smasher to a draw, who if you look at the stats, is not invincible like smasher. I'm not sure about smasher being as powerful powerful as you stated, because you need a lot more context to the capabilities of his cyberware that you can only really get from playing the tabletop so i wont act like I know that, but I think you can certainly say lore wise Adam is not some immovable god as he fought to a draw a man with only minor cyberware. Keep in mind this is 50 years in the past, now that cyberware has significantly progressed I do think its true that 2023 blackhand would be like swatting a fly away.
@@redmilk2861 Well, I think you're right about Smasher in the 2023 setting, but it's like ya said, it's been 50 years since then and cyberware has progressed significantly, not to mention, Smasher likely upgraded since then. (I'm fuzzy on the details, but I think there was actually some major world shaping conflict between 2023 and 2077 that kind of spawned a new phase of the setting, but it's been awhile since I looked at the timeline synopsis.) From my understanding, Smasher is about as heavy of a cyborg as is physically possible, and is basically a functional cyberpsycho. At the very least, he's a BBEG kind of character with various high end abilities configured in a sort of multiclass (from what I can tell looking at him. I don't know the TTRPG system that well). And I think in being that alone, if you have a DM that plays him smart, he'll smash any party that isn't on the upper end level wise and well configured and conducted. Now from anecdotes, I've kind of gathered that, when played well, he's tougher than even most final bosses due to not generally being a necessary engagement in modules. These two things are also generally true for the Tarrasque in DnD. And I'm not saying they're even 1 for 1, just comparable in nature as an extremely threatening kind of hazard character. Hopefully this explains what I'm getting at better.
In the game V has the relic in his brain and I believe that any psychological cyberpsycho changes that could happen in V's brain are constantly corrected by the Relic to make the brain clean for Johnny Silverhand, plus the Johnny Silverhand is kind of in his brain, making his brain kind of have two people to avoid cyberpsycho state So V can change more parts of his body to robotic parts with less side effects like become cyberpsycho, but V doesn't even do that, just watch the lore V from the cinematic cyberpunk 2077 trailer that V doesn't have many cyber parts like David or Adam Smasher does And V is much more experienced than David, I think V is 27 or 28 years old in 2077 while David I think he turned 18 in 2076, in addition to V having more strong and smart friends who helped him and the best doctor and friend Viktor Vector.
Imo Smasher held onto his sanity, he appears to me as a warrior seeking constant validation rather than a sadist or psychopath. Idk the lore completely to be fair, but he has a competitive nature, and doesn't really torture or enjoy pain, so to me it seems like he just wants to be the strongest creature in existence rather than to just cause mindless anguish.
Yeah agreed compare to the other cyberpsychos we seen while they all glitched on screen Adam didn't. Seeing how Adam also talks like he understands things is much more as he literally offers David a chance to live before shooting him we also see him have conversations with his "boss" of what he does. He's definitely sane judt not your average human.
Actually Adam smasher is literally an absolute psycho with zero remorse while he also in fact loves torture and pain because he hates meat bags, I'd say look into the cyberpunk lore more it's hella cool but also Adam is straight up evil in every way
He's not a warrior he's a psychopath every job he takes has to involve a collateral damage clause if he was a warrior morgan blackhand and him would work together while trying to 1up eachother for fun.
@@ts6603 actually it's completely factually wrong lol Adam smasher is not a warrior and literally has zero redeeming qualities tbh, it's how he's written, a straight monster.
They did this man dirty in the game they made him utterly weak literally takes like 10 slashes from a sword or mono wire, actually kill him in the game, like the easiest fight I’ve faced in the entire game they just made them super weak in the game, unlike his anime counterpart I just utterly annihilated everyone
I mean, it's unfortunately common for such powerful villains in the lore to be represented horribly in the game itself. For example, all of the TES, Fallout and The Witcher games bosses range from underwhelming to extremely weak, besides maybe the Kayran, since he's gimmicky af, which makes him a hassle if you don't know what you're doing. That's a good way of making a boss difficult no matter what -- make it actually vulnerable only to something you specifically laid out and is mostly independent of the player's build, obviously being also a weakness that can be exploited and makes sense in-universe. To add to that, one can also not make the weakness obvious and force the player to pay extra attention and explore the game to find out what to do, otherwise they get to the fight to just be wrecked. I get why this isn't done that much, though -- it can be too much for casual players...
@@emmanuel1337 Oh sorry, my brain was off when I wrote that. I meant specifically one of cyberpunk’s endings, apparently the most difficult one too, has no checkpoints after you hit the action
@@emmanuel1337 Balance between fun and realism. Has nothing to do with "casual players". Let's go with your weakness route, when type of combat is it then? Run for your life with DPS phases? Not fun. Is the weakness just letting him take actual damage? That favors a particular build. If you make the weakness something that a player has to go out of their way to find, then that makes it even worse gameplay because it punishes the player for not going to every nook and cranny. CP is a shooter game without the insane mobility of Doom or Titanfall, thus the overall combat mechanics have to be constrained by that fact.
Fun Fact: Smasher always knew V was there. Can't recall the name of it, but one of the cyber upgrades you can get tells you if an enemy is aware of your presence. The Arasaka members in the room are unaware, Smasher is registered as aware of you. Meaning he was in on the murder from the start, and just let V and co remain as scapegoats.
@@themasterblaze7563 canonically sun downer is alot more powerful then he is in game(kinda like adam smasher lol) while he can't dodge like smasher, his explosive shields can react to raiden's more then hyper sonic speed slashes, all the while having massive feats of strength and loads of skill. adam shamsher would still win but MGR state of the art cyborgs are pretty crazy
It was said in one of the cyberpunk rulebooks - "Morgan Blackhand isnt alive becouse he is the best. He is the best becouse he is alive". Think about that
Lol. If they base the game on being something other than a Solo, if they implement proper netrunning (SNES Shadowrun did it better), and a cybernetics system that actually takes a toll on a character's humanity. And a combat system that isn't ridiculous in power levels. Just a mook from CP2013, but starting with weapons doing low damage compared to endgame with those hands-on-stuff numbers, unfeasible, pathetic and frankly lazy.
I think there is more to Adam story other than he being a simple gladiator thug. Adam is one of the most valuable assets of the Arasaka dysfunctional family. The US government planned a raid on Arasaka empire that was expanding their territories into US soil. The US tried containing the situation but the Arasaka family uses complete cities to develop a transferal technology that cheats death without considerable success. The story now moves towards a full combat between the US and the Arasaka corporation in the new chapter. I'm dead sure Adam will reappear in this chapter of the series.
I feel like this dude copied multiple wiki articles complete with typos, it sounds disjointed. Though it sounds like what happens when I use Adobe to OCR scans from books. I wonder if this dude is just reading off of the result. But a human would catch that shit/could just narrate from the book. There are some very good tts out there, I suspect that is the case...
i think they made him stronger in anime so said fans wouldn't keep calling him a joke who played game beforehand, like in game he isn't even a challenge even on hardest mode i think anime as just used to try a beef up his game appearance in a way to make him look like a "legend status"
@@RavenL1337 if we look at it for what it is we can’t compare v to David there’s a huge gap in experienc and skills. David was suffering a lot from cyberphychosis he also had less than a year of experience at best. It's possible that with V's heightened capacity for cyberware, years of experience, help from Johnny, and the time they spent prepping knowing they would have to fight Smasher at Arasaka HQ, V was better equipped to take Smasher down.
The one thing I wish they didn't do was remove half of Adams upgrades in game. I mean with the choices in game, rogue hits him as she is attacked by smasher, which could explain breaking Adams sandy which is why he doesn't have it, but when you go into arasaka alone in the secret ending, smasher should be as hard as possible with full upgrades, having more cyberware than V given he is more machine than human.
I never understood how Smasher didn't know you were behind a wall. With all those upgrades his CPU would be instantly alerted to the presence of not one but two people with underwhelming tech at the time. Adam was a clown in the game. Very underwhelming and another disappointment for me in the game.
Agreed. Sure it makes sense in the Nomad and Rogue endings for him to be weakened but why isn't he much tougher in the Arasaka and Don't Fear the Reaper endings? Would've been a kick in the nuts to mfs who sided with Arasaka and a true final battle for mfs running Don't Fear the Reaper.
@@-TakingSomeLs I did notice that. But it didn't make sense being the head of security. That was a very sensitive moment for the company Atom was suppose to be watch dog for. Are you saying that Atom was loyal to the father and not the son who murdered him? I put in 80 hours on the game when it first came out. I did enjoy it for what it was. Another looter shooter based in cyberpunk world. It really didn't deliver on their promises. Not to mention the AI was worse than games from 2001 and lego city games had better AI.
@@OldieWan there're some theories stating that connecting to the anime he didn't actively kill if he weren't paid to, in the anime Faraday ordered him to kill David immediately stating that his job as hired gun, he refused since Faraday wasn't his boss
In the part of the game where it shows how Johnny Silverhand remembers facing Adam Smasher in 2023 Adam Smasher has more organic human parts instead of being almost a complete robot like in 2076 against David or 2077 against V
Also in 2023 flashback even Adam Smasher's voice sounds more organic, sounds very much more human, his actual real pre-borg voice etc... Compared to 2077 Adam where his voice is waaaaaaay more robotic & synthetic sounding, nothing human about his voice remains.
My theory is Saburo leaked the info about the chip in hopes that someone would attempt to take it. Adam sees V when V is hiding behind the wall but does nothing and Saburo stops goro just before scanning V. The hopes here was to punish Yuri by eventually taking over his body through the relic system which is one of the endings.
Its very fitting that Morgan was absent durring Adams final moments, but at the same time I kind of wish for him to be present only to see Adams ideology falling down on top of him.
The crazy thing about Adam prior to the events is that he had a fling...with michiko, using his gemini body. Mind you, he looked like a blonde elvis presley rocking that at one night after her graduation 😳
Man they really should rework Smasher in the game, he is barely any danger as he is, there should be proper mechanics and challenge to his fight, seeing how he killed the edgerunner guys we really shouldnt be able to kill him this easily, feels like a disservice to them. Man poor Rebeca and David :(
LOL i just noticed that while Johnny was being interrogated by Arasaka after the bomb, he still had his arm despite it getting blown off by smasher on the roof.
Anyone else think they meant DCs Atom Smasher at first since Black Adam just came out and he's one of the JSA members? I guess cyberpunk ran out of name ideas? "Adam Smasher" lol I see what they did there.😏🤣
They shouldve used him in 2077 game as one of those unkillable characters that keep the player in check. Create too much attention and he comes crashing down at you, now you gotta escape him somehow... Instead they made him a clown fiesta, the game was just awfully thought out all round lol. Especially for a game that had 30 years of development.
I wish Adam Smasher was bigger. In the animated show he is bigger then a typical human. But in the game he’s not that scary or intimidating. They should’ve had more of his story in the game so players can have that fear factor for facing him at the end. He’s just too easy and tinfoilish. But my gosh does it make you wanna end him after watching Edgerunners.
David should have taken Smasher up on His offer. I know at the time, he was not exactly in the best state of mind, but the guy was supposed to be of genius, level intellect. If I was David, I'd have taken Smasher up on His offer. It would mean living to see another day, and you can always plot revenge, later. I wasn't sure if Smasher had actually offered him a lifeline, or if he was just remarking on that he could have been an "interesting construct, in Night City".
So he’s got to be in his 50s or so when David battles him no wonder he asked if there was anything left of him that was still human obviously 98% his body had to be replaced by robotics
@@digdugdoggy You don't understand storytelling, nor my comment. Read it again, as many times as you watched the show, if need be, until you do understand what I wrote/typed there.
@@esotericmissionary”For folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people.” Spoilers: Yeah, nah David’s dead. Dream on but It’s been confirmed. Plus, David didn’t turn out like the NC Boogieman, Lucy pulled him back over the edge and he’s saves her before Adam murders the rest of the crew. When he was asked by smasher: “You’d be a interesting construct.” David, scoffs and declines, before getting gets his head blown off. You can’t Soul-kill brain matter. Unless they retcon it in Cyberpunk Orion, or rumors/Easter eggs in P.L. David is dead-dead.
@@caughtemslippen3534 You don't understand _good_ storytelling. "I made it to the top, ma!" added with mask girl's "Don't trust anybody," equals David becomes Adam.
Is it just me or was this very confusing to understand lol. I know nothing about cyber punk lore so I was hoping this would be an easy explainer but I had t rewatch this like 6 times to understand who everyone was and what was happening lmfaooo
@@5hrimp_Nachos true that too. It was advertised to be just as expansive in regards to choice as FO:NV but is extremely shallow with illusions of choice.
CD project red needs to reactivate Adam smasher he can quite possibly be one of the most iconic villains in video game history, such as Ganon or Bowser but project red decides not to in Rebecca last words ( F you F you F you)
You sound a bit off, particularly writing sounds like what happens when I OCR text from book scans. The AI is always slightly off with certain words. Also, is that a TTS voice? You kinda sound like you are using a high quality one. Nothing against that myself, that is actually pretty cyberpunk lol. But, take a closer look, some sentences didn't make as much sense to me.
Just me or this video all over the place, there are times you repeat events and im just thrown in a deja vu scenario. The tittle of this video is the ORGIN of adam smasher not the entire story, 2 minutes of actual origin then you repeat it again for some reason. Then you randomly go scene by scene his scenes in cyberpunk edge runners. Felt this video was a tad bit lazy. I dont comment in videos but this vid change that lol. btw sand devastation
I'm convinced the only reason V was able to defeat Smasher, is because by 2077 he is really old and what little of the human that was left had mentally slowed down to the point where V was capable of defeating him, if V faced Adam a decade prior, he would of lost as David did, V is also special, where David only thought himself to be Special, sorry David, "you're not that guy." Also, fun fact: In the corporate origin story, V would of been one of David's classmates as V is roughly the same age, so they would of met. However, every other origin story he arrived at Night City as an adult.
Smasher is like at least...at least 80 to potentially 100 years old by the time of 2077. He's literally an old man(his human part, what very little remains that is, mostly his brain).
