Actual real support and help with how to process feelings and ways for client to stop self sabotage behaviors. Sorry if that doesn't make sense lol I'm really tired rn. 😅
This is the guy who took on the boy scouts of America and won! Adam's longform interview is brutal to watch, but so important to want therapists or people in therapy.
ive been watching youtube therapists just not take on adams story at all this whole time, and I realize that interview is over 5 hours long, but I think that needs a lot more focus. The lady is the Hannibal Lecter of therapists.
I agree that it's a must watch. It gives such insight into JH'S pattern of sinister and harmful behavior. Adam is incredibly strong and courageous to share his pain and what happened to him.
@@Therapy2Day I dont know about a 'what not to do'. These actions were purposeful. She's a psychopath -- or a malignant narc or something like that. Those people will do what they do, whatever profession they get into. Maybe a look at why her license didnt get yanked but only suspended or put on probation in 2012 would be better. No normal person would ever do what she did to adam to anyone. It'd be like if the BTK serial killer was caught housebreaking and kept his job at a home security company -- the question is not "why shouldnt we break into houses we install alarms at" its more like "whyd we let this guy keep working here"
I saw a clip of Jodie talking about sex within marriage. She said it's about a man devoted to God and a woman deboted to God, and there is no place for lust in that equation. She operates on the belief that all lust and sexual desire is evil and Satanic. Her niece Jessie explained that Jody sees herself as God's own agent on earth, routing out evil in preparation for the imminent 2nd Coming. Grandiosity combined with urgency, and backed by powerful religious entities is a recipe in this case, I fear, for truly unspeakable evil to have been imposed by Jody over decades.
She, in one video, said something about any emotions being evil when your thoughts aren't devoted completely to God - creating that opening to tell people that ANY emotions are evil and require *her* "treatments" 🤦. It's soo hard to trust anyone that's trying to sell you something but especially when they're selling you something your life could possibly depend on.. I've always had this fear of Drs/therapists, where if I ignore them I might die but if I follow them it could be completely unnecessary and even harm me more
This Hildenbrand is a monster in disquise, with a licence that made her psychologically superior to her victims and that she horrendously abused. What is not mentioned is that she not only damaged her patients, but she damaged the reputation of therapy, therapists, the whole mental health profession.
@@judilyntravis7679 I really hesitate to say anything about the Mormon church because the Mormons that I have known have all been generous and kind, and I really have trouble sorting through what looks like an institutional problem with my personal experience with some amazing people
@@Therapy2Dayas with many religions, the regular practitioners can by and large be sweet people, while the religious leadership is made of monstrous people.
@@Therapy2Dayhopefully the long form interview will be reposted. Adam spends all 5 hours NAMING NAMES. CLDS does not come out looking good (to put it very mildly), which is why I suppose they had it taken down.
This disgusting women did not account for how strong Adam is. She thought he would be a perfect victim because of just past. Completely underestimated him. His pain though is palpable.
In Mormon stories podcast, he states he was put in a group of abusers and predators. He said could you imagine if they put Elizabeth Smart in a group full of predators. It's not OK. He was abused as child ect
Eve once forgot a jacket at school, & Ruby absolutely REFUSED to buy her another 1, WHILE telling HER that SHE will NEVER b able to go skiing with the family, EVER again.. 💁🏼♀ reminds me of the time my Mom found out that i stole a Sheera doll, from a neighbor, so i got robbed outta that trip to CedarPoint. (what COULDA been a "cherished" memory, for me) my Brothers got to go, & i got left behind.. but, i actually WAS good ALL YEAR, in order to go the following Summer.. that Summer came & went, & the church said that they weren't spending all that money, JUST to take only 7 kids.. so i didn't get to go THEN EITHER.. my Mom NEVER made an attempt to take me to a DIFFERENT roller coaster.. so i was like "NO MORE MS NICE GUY!! (my Mom's even stolen my Christmas from me a few times.. i can relate to those kids, more than what i care to admit)
There's going to be so many heroes in this mess. R who ran to the neighbors house to get help. Jessi who told her story with her aunt. Adam Steed who has come forward and told his story. This must be very hard for both Jessi and Adam to talk about. Reliving it over and over again. Sheri the sister of R who tried to help the kids. Also the neighbors that opened their door for R and called the police. I hope more people come forward to tell their story.
She admitted to breaking doctor/patient confidentiality IN 2012 and she was still able to be licensed?? Sounds like the mental health board of doctors needs to be fired… Jodi is a monster
I think that what makes Jodi so diabolical is the way in which she used her knowledge of psychology to twist thinking and make therapy serve her own ends. I see similarities between child sexual abuse and Jodi’s abuse of her clients. She grooms clients as do sex abusers (the phases of therapy), she isolates and traps victims (insisting they sign to continue and pay for her therapy) and she threatens them (doubting self, smearing reputation, destroying them. So evil! ❤️from Australia 🇦🇺.
You must listen to Adam's first interview. It happened before Ruby & Jodi's arrest. There are some points on his first interview you have to listen to before somebody shut down the video. He said something I immediately noticed from the beginning: Jodi approches the Mormon cult not because of beliefs. She approached the cult because that's the right place to find the perfect prey. Secondly, she lures the wealthiest families/couples. She has a pattern, a "criminal profile of action", and if you listen to his words and read the comments about the people who became her victims, you'll find again the same characteristics of her "hunting". We can't deny what he said: she developped in something smarter, what she does, she does with a purpose and she puts her plans into action.
@@tiger.wolf.2033 Thanks for that info. There is no doubt that some more heinous perpetrators hunt the most vulnerable in our society. I don’t like the way some institutions seem to do the same. I think those institutions create a pattern of behaviour which makes their members even more vulnerable to predators. As a practicing Christian myself, I abhor those who seek power and control through belief systems. I can only hope justice will prevail. ❤️from Australia 🇦🇺.
The Mormon church ALSO paid her to see its members. Remember the Bishop was referring members to her because they really don't want members to see other therapists. The church wants them to only see Mormon therapists. Jessie talked about the church paying JH.
I really hope this is a wake up call the the church that they need to change the way they do things but as will most their past involvement in abuse I doubt it is enough to wake them up. They will simply shift the blame or cover up as much as they can. It's more about money/tithing and growing their portfolio than people.
The LDS church is a very bad element. They believe they have "The Truth", they do not think they make mistakes, nor do they apologize. The LDS church is a cult. @@Therapy2Day
I’m so glad I watched this video. Your assessment of this man’s experience with Jodi Hildebrandt was spot on. What he was put through was outrageous. To learn that Jodi was able to continue as a licensed therapist after that is, and then to go on and ruin others, is unspeakably horrible. That poor man. Those poor children.
Thanks for watching the video! It drives me crazy that there was no recourse for these victims until decades down the line, no accountability from the church, CPS, licensing...
It's insane because the backing of institutions and dealing with someone who possibly has psychopathy is a dangerous mixture. It is so difficult to fight against. Especially with this kind of psychological manipulation. It's interesting because these people will cross boundaries that people with a healthy conscious would not cross.
That's the scary thing, that for the average person, the guardrails and the system works to keep them from making mistakes as a mental health professional, but if you are intentionally harmful with your choices, it doesn't prevent much
On top of her “usual” preferred hobbies, campaigning against a childhood SA survivor is extremely chilling.. I think Jodie’s true goal is to cripple her target’s sexuality. Jodie is completely obsessed with sexual degeneracy, to a pathological extreme! She uses these extremes to disarm, and rewrite her victim’s perception of sexual autonomy. SHE becomes the one in control of their sexuality. In my personal opinion, Jodie’s methods are a form of outright sexual abuse/harassment. In a sense, she stripped Jessi of her innocence, by enmeshing gross trauma with a milestone of sexual development. I don’t believe Jodie believes her own paranoia. She intentionally robbed Jessie of the grace, to explore such heavy topics at a safe and natural pace. I think Jodie enjoys knowing that her victims will forever be imprinted with those actions. It’s how predatory feel powerful. Her entire cult revolves around it! I even believe Jodie gets a form of gratification, from exposing the vulnerable to intense shame, and paraphilic diatribe. Most adults would have a hard time accusing very young children of such things. It just feels wrong! The fact that Jodie has no problems with it, is it’s own extreme problem… I base these opinions on my own (much milder) experience with religious indoctrination. I also have a personal history of childhood trauma I would rather not get into
I appreciate you sharing some of the background and hurt, and respect that you don't feel comfortable putting it all out there. Some of what you say is definitely possible about why Jodi focuses so strongly on other's shame and "perversion"
@@Therapy2Day @be.A.b Actually she was outright guilty of CSA. It's part of the documents and testimony of Adam Steed. At some point when being obsessed with the idea that Adam had to be abusing his daughter, his wife and Jody stripped the one year old, examined her genitalia including the inside, and took photographs. Another therapist reported what they did as CSA. The photographs and description of the physical exam are part of the documents Adam took to court. After court the review board said Jody was guilty of "multiple crimes" but they couldn't charge her because she was too powerful. They could only charge her with being a bad therapist (colluding with the wife) and get her license suspended for a few months. Also important to note that she didn't "share confidential health documents". She made up fake documents about Adam. Then she shared them.
@@celestechantelouve5496Wow I didn’t know that part. How disgusting! Let’s just hope justice is served. I hope the prosecutor is feeling motivated, because this could be the communities only chance to achieve retribution.
I worked in hospital IT for 40 years. PHI is one thing we review annually through training and testing. In one project I sampled patients of a certain type. I noticed one of the names was a coworker. I spoke to my manager to get approval to continue. We who can see everything, need to be like priests and never share any info we have about anyone.
I think it's important to note that the LDS and BYU continued to hold Jody in good standing after her horrible ethical lapse. They are a big part of the problem here.
This is the first time I've seen one of your videos and I'm glad it came up on my feed. New sub here. I appreciate your sensitivity to the nature of this story as it's been overwhelming to take in. 1. I can't begin to imagine how demoralizing it was for Adam to go through his CSA only to be falsely accused as an adult of despicable acts, and then to come forward and let the world know. I am in awe of his courage and humility. 2. This clip alone is quite damning in regards to JH's & RF's disgusting accusations against this 12-yr old boy who was horrifically abused. And that 911 call, when the caller repeated to the dispatcher that this child said that he'd deserved his "punishment" was gut-wrenching. Under torture and physical and emotional abuse, (and in light of Jessi H's interview), I wouldn't be at all surprised that he made every false confession JH forced him to make.
Glad you're here and part of the community! It's absolutely a terrible story, and I hope to demonstrate empathy and sensitivity in all the twisted facets that are coming to light
Jodi was briefly my therapist many years ago, and I'm not surprised one bit to learn about the way she treated Mr. Steed in such a blatantly unethical manner. She absolutely had an obsession with enforcing what she perceived as "morality" in her clients, and she pushed the bounds of making people feel vulnerable into a space that simply felt outright unsafe.
I can also say 100% that Mr. Steed is right about Jodi being obsessed with things she thought were "pornography," which were actually just mainstream media such as the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, magazine covers, advertisments & posters featuring women in bikinis, etc. She not only considered these mainstream visual media sources to be "obscene" and "pornography," and seemed obsessive about painting anyone who looked at such media as being sexual deviants and even addicts. Plus, she seemed to me to have a low opinion of men in general, and seemed to think that most men were sexual deviants and generally prone to immorality.
@@maneckineckbeard1749 agree and my lesbian friends would be the first to call Jodi out on her insanity, like making sure Kevin Franke has moved out so she can 'comfort' Ruby.
To me the Adam Steed story is more upsetting than the Ruby Frankie story. If had some bad experiences with educators in California and in other places. In California I developed a seizure disorder after suffering the Asiatic Flu (1957) Condition developed in 1958. Before 1958 was over a demand was made on my parents to put it the Mental Hospital at Camarillo, California. (This Hospital was converted to a Cal State Campus. Both I and my parents were opposed to this. As time passed we became violently opposed to it. While some educators wanted the Hospital others wanted to give me a normal life. Such was the case with the Junior High School. It took three tries before it worked. Now days it would have been a Baker Act or in California a 5150. It was the Bill of Rights that was my biggest protection. Still I feared, as did my parents, that if I was ever brought before any kind of a juvenile court for any reason except a traffic ticket I would immediately for sent to Camarillo. However I was able to finish High School and go to a College and later a University. For that reason I think BYU deserves to pay for a lawsuit in the case of Adam Steed. I would also like a federal law forbidding University from taking action against students based on information obtained by HIPPA violation or other unlawfully obtained information. If the police cannot bring it to court the College or university cannot use to expel, suspend or take other action against a student. I know I'm sharing a lot but I do so in the hope that someone will find it useful.
Thank you for reacting to Jessi’s and Adam’s interviews! It’s so important to have quality mental health professionals on RU-vid and social media! If at any point reacting to this traumatic case regarding Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt is becoming too emotionally taxing or you start feeling burnt out, please don’t hesitate to take a break from this topic! As much as your subscribers enjoy it, we enjoy your empathetic perspective far more and want to see you continue your channel for many years to come. 🩵
Jodi is in my opinion a straight up psychopath with BPD or something... Jodi is on a different level of evil than Ruby. Ruby is 100% EVIL, but I see Ruby is more of a narsassistic sociopath. Both are EQUALLY responsible & EQUALLY guilty and both should get matching maximum 90 year sentences
Good on you Adam, please always take the microphone and speak to the public. Really enjoyed you taking over on the media, media need more truth to be told by victims
"According to the warrants, Franke’s child was tied to the ground with rope, had a cayenne pepper and honey paste smeared in their wounds, and duct tape was used to both bind the child and dress the lacerations."
Thank you for covering this interview. I watched the original, and was hoping a therapist or psychologist would cover it too. I'm glad you explained the avoidance cycle. I do that and then whatever I'm avoiding actually becomes a trigger and causes great anxiety if I do think about it. I'm trying to be better about that though.
Anxiety is self reinforcing in that way. We'll never get rid of anxiety entirely, but by being mindful about our feelings (at least usually in the way I work), we can decrease how powerful it is in our lives
Thank you, I never want mental health to be a cult of personality (we've seen how that turns out), but for each person to have the skills and knowledge to seek whatever help they need and do whatever they need for themselves
i know what things are like, growing up with a bad childhood. (not only did we have a Dad that was outta control, but we ALSO had a Mom who wasn't afraid of hurting us.. i grew up in the middle, between an older Brother & a younger Brother.. 1 of them tormented me, to the point of Mom finally catching him, after 6 years of it, & sending him to a BootCamp.. THEN i also got bullied over all the symptoms, by my YOUNGER Brother, & all his friends that he ran his mouth to) then, after my Mom finally left our Dad, we had to watch her love the StepKids MORE.. (she'd even go as far as locking us OUTSIDE to sleep, so THEY can take OUR BEDS, when her BoyFriend had them on his weekends) i gotta bad feeling Eve mighta been going thru something similar.. ppl NOT believing that it'd b a possibility, makes me feel some type of way, that i can't quite explain.. (& the nightmares NEVER stop 🥺)
Sorry for the hurt that you've experienced. I hope that as you live your life, you are now surrounded by love and support, and have someone you trust to talk to about all of this.
As a retired licensed clinical social worker, this whole thing makes me sick. Jody is an abuser and I'm wondering how many peoples lives she screwed up. She will have her license jerked away and this time she won't get it back. I think Ruby fell in love with Jody. And it appears Jody was ok with that. So many rules she broke such as breaking confidenttiality, all the rules about transference, mental and physical abuse. They need to prosecute everyone involved in this.
@@Therapy2Day I have no doubt that Jody was smart enough to pass some test and probably smart enough to fool her clinician who provided her licensure supervision. Jody is not honest and so full of herself she just went ahead and broke rule after rule. She went into practice to exhibit herself and to feel powerful. Bet she rarely let a client say a word.
no shade on my gay friends but Jodi strikes me as one closeted angry lesbian plus a man-hater, crushing on Ruby while she wrecks families accusing the fathers of being sexual deviants.
I really hope Adam will sue her and his church, because he has been through what would kill most people. His father lost his job and retirement because of the Boy Scouts situation, I guess the LDS church fired him. And that’s not ok. He won’t take donations, but he really needs to. He said give then to his papa. Because his papa changing the laws cost him his retirement and job. He and his father are actually victims we need to support. Because of social media having fake victims that rip people off, people get stuck with that label. But we need to actually help real victims like Adam and his father. That’s wrong what happened to him and most people would be destroyed by what he has been through, and hate to say this but usually cases with kind people like Adam are woefully underpaid as far as the numerical value. It’s shocking how little you can be paid for a serious automobile accidents and then you can’t sue again when more serious symptoms develop after years because many times they don’t show up until years later. So it’s already stacked up legally to be unfair. Rarely do you see people get large awards and it’s draining and costly to go through the legal system, even if your lawyer is working for a percentage, it’s awful. My cousin lost their arms and legs all the way to the shoulder and all the way to the body and she didn’t get a reasonable settlement to help her for the rest of her life and said it was so draining that it about did the family in. You would be shocked at her settlement. And I saw her in the hospital when she was a little girl cause her mother and I are about same age, and her feet and arms were going into necroses and turning black and rotting, she is a girly girl like me so it was so upsetting to watch her in a coma with her limbs rotting off. All because a dr was lazy and didn’t want to deal with a sick child. And to make matters worse she had lost her son from a three wheeler accidents just years before when the neighbors allowed him to ride theirs and it fell on him and killed him, he was still a little boy and she was on 20\20 talking about the dangers so they have had horrible tragedies. And she didn’t know that the neighbors had allowed him to ride it until it happened. Adam and his dad deserve the huge awards for all the horrible stuff that happened because they did the right thing! The LDS church then tried to spread bad information and even tried to get them to not marry him and his ex wife because of being a Boy Scout whistleblower. And I think they used Jodi to get dirt and personal information on him! This is not unusual for there church law firm and the church leaders to do. Instead of being a hero and thanking him and his father they excoriated him and tried to ruin his reputation. I wish Adam nothing but joy and happiness and peace and happiness and a rightful reckoning for him and all the other victims.
Thank you. Wish there wasn't a situation to analyze, but here we are. I hope that others who run into therapists who are violating these values know to get out of there fast
I teach computers to read clinical documents scrubbed of PHI and still go through 3 layers of security to do my every day work. Glad she’s now been tucked away.
So the "bishop" went to him just after the settlement...they were after his money! These people (from cukts and various "religions") raise a lot of money from their "followers" while condoning horrible abuse...and it's always the worst against children! And women! And It's all happening openly ...legally!?? And no one does anything, until it's so late or too late!
It's really unfortunate that the best we can hope for now is that this doesn't happen to anyone else. I do hope those who were hurt or affected can get support and justice
The ethical problems start at the very beginning of Adam’s story. He had just won the settlement money from the Boy Scouts. His Bishop was heavily involved with the Boy Scouts and recommended he go to Jodi. Jodi and this Bishop were friends. The whole situation was set up from the jump.
If that little boy hadn't run away, it would have been exactly like the Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell story and those children would have died and likely been disposed of. He is such a hero, but I can only imagine what he had to live through.
What I feel like can't be emphasized enough, that kid was brave, but he shouldn't have been put in a position where it was on him to make him and his siblings safe
Jodi is a very extreme example, but much of what she did with Steve (and I'm only talking about what Steve is reporting) is basically the norm for therapists who are faithful to LDS teachings. Reporting about clients to church leaders, telling people how they should think about things, coaching others around the client on how to treat the client are actually expected of them. I had LDS therapists who did just that and were instructed to do so by the policies of the LDS church.
Thanks for sharing. How much of a problem do you feel that is? For me, I think it's a little bit like seeing a biblical counselor; if you know what you are signing up for and have freedom to ditch if you want, then by all means. I maybe wouldn't agree with all the interventions, but if the client has given informed consent, then that's up to them
@@Therapy2Day The thing is a lot of these people don't really have the option to leave. They are told they must go to these counselors by their religious leaders or no one at all. It's not even a matter of getting financial support, it's a matter of these are the only people who can give "proper" treatment and help. Going to other therapists would be inappropriate and possibly spiritually damaging (as they will not hold to the teachings and positions of the LDS church). Looking at it from the top down, informed consent is not a concept the LDS church and culture really follow.
@@ryanhollist3950 ah well that's problematic. Sounds like you are quite familiar, is there any way that you can see of loosening that so church members might have a choice to see who would serve them best?
@@Therapy2DayPerhaps I am painting it a bit too strictly controlling. It's a matter of what's called "bishop roulette," the random chances of how a particular local leader may view certain issues and how they deal with them. The big point, if someone is asking their church leaders to help pay for therapy they must go to those who have been vetted to toe the line with church ideology. There is probably some options to move within that group if one needs to find a better fitting therapist, but that may not always be the case. In my personal case I was serving as a missionary for the church and there was only one therapist in the area with absolutely no option to see any other. (She contributed to driving me to a suicide attempt and developing PTSD, all the while acting in accordance to how she was directed to by the church.) Otherwise, if someone is not getting the church involved for support in finding or paying for the therapy, it's not against the official policies of the church to see whomever you want and local leaders cannot discipline members for doing so. Still, it is discouraged to get counseling from one who isn't a faithful member. As for the issue of informed consent it goes well beyond just this issue. The LDS church is notorious for how it hides, lies, and manipulates information people are allowed to know. In my experiences with church approved counselors I do not recall being conspicuously informed that they worked the way they do (i.e., have a variant code of ethics from other therapists) and would be reporting to my local leadership (and perhaps others) about my case.
@@ryanhollist3950 yikes. I don't know how most church approved therapists (who I assume are well meaning and otherwise state licensed, etc) reconcile the problems inherent in that kind of situation. I'm sorry for the pain that's caused you, and for the bind other LDS members might find themselves in
Should have seen the episode of Mormon stories with Adam pulse deed on that podcast. Somehow a judge in Utah signed a restraining order forcing Mormon stories podcast to take that episode off of all social media platforms. Which is really sad because that poor kid was done wrong by the LDS Church,and Jodi Hildebrandt. According to him Jody Hildebrand had a pattern of convincing women to withhold affection from their husbands to punish them, from masturbating and/or p*** watching. She also testified in court that Adam Paul Steed will probably be a future child predator because of his abuse that he suffered in BSA as a kid. He had emails that showed, she coached women on how to manipulate the criminal justice system to punish their husbands. It is a horrific story!. It's doubly horrific because the Mormon Church convinced him to be a good little Mormon boy, and not sue for punitive damages as well. He did get a settlement from the Mormon church and an NDA agreement that he would not disclose how much they gave him. Needless to say he used almost all of it up protecting himself legally from his wife and Jody Hildebrand.
Such a sad story all around for Adam, but I'm glad for his courage in choosing to speak out and try to protect the kids who are suffering through what he experienced
I just watched that podcast earlier today, so I'm begining to think you guys are just trying to create another witch hunt of accusations against the KDS church and its members
With Adam saying that Jodie would make him second-guessed himself about making him believe as if he was guilty of such things. When of course he's absolutely not. My point it gets me thinking about when that neighbor called 911 and in the background you can hear the boy saying this is my fault. OMG... Its the same thing that Adam is explaining in this interview. This Jodie witch needs to be locked up away from others so she cant manipulate people. She is so evil it makes me so angry to know that there are poeple right now out and about that allowd this evil women to do this to people should be held accountable for allowing and knowing what she was doing.
I think what's even worse is that in addition to manipulating people, she was doing it under the guise of helping them and doing it for their own good, abusing a professional license that people trust to do it
I hope they get her. Is what Jodi did to her clines criminal? Is all that can happen to her is losing her license? This is a terrible story to make your little kid out to be a sexual preditor. Something is wrong with that Mormon religion as well has it's member must not think contrary to anything their leaders say. You can lose your family if you go against them. It's all evil.
Hey good question! My understanding: the HIPAA violations of sharing info without consent is criminal. The child abuse is criminal. Those I know for sure, but I think the way she coerced or did really bad therapy might be civil cases, not necessarily criminal.
Wasn't Mr. Steed a part of the same church? How is it that Kevin did not hear of this? I do feel terrible what he went through. Knowing too how vulnerable he was already being an abuse victim in his childhood. Why all abuse victims need therapy by specialist in child abuse. Kevin should be suing the Church for leading him to believe Jodi was a qualified therapist and not reporting her as someone who had been sued, lost her license and only regained in recently.
It's all really mixed up isn't it? Unfortunately, for the purposes of the licensing board, Jodi was considered qualified because her license was in good standing (at least at one point). But... Do tune in Monday when we publish an original, hour long deep dive into the ties between Ruby franke, Jodi Hildebrandt, and the LDS church! From Abby Maxwell Hansen, a Mormon blogger who literally lives in the same county as the Frankes.
@@Therapy2Day Okay. Yes, for Jodi, Connection to keep ties with the Mormon Church, they had to insert doctrine into their therapy. Teaching people that demons are inside of us, rather this being common childish behavior . I know who you are talking about. I listened to her on Mormon Stories. Great you are learning from her. She is an excellant therapist. Is she helping the Franke family? I really hope so. Ruby isn't the only sister who would benefit from her services. Have you ever read Screwtapes Letters by CS Lewis? The same guy who wrote the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. I read a lot. It took me months to finally finish it as a teen. It was so ridiculous but also what I was learning in church and from the Bible. But on a really crazy trip no one really needs. He put the head demons in roles like elves. Santa is watching us to see if we are naughty or nice. God is watching us. But, according to our Lewis friend, so are demons. Like they are our roomates. Reporting on us. Plotting against us. It was a disturbing book.
@@pennyc11 I'd encourage you to watch on Monday and see what Abby says. I don't believe she is a therapist, but she is a lifelong Mormon, and lives in the same county as the Frankes did. Worth a listen for sure
@@Therapy2Day Oh, you should get that therapist they had. She was ex-communicated by Mormons because she wouldn't teach all of their philosophy. But I will try to listen if I can.
14:31 it sure sounds like this guy is just agreeing with Adam Steed. He's been going around talking very publicly about his failed marriage and his ex-wife being manipulated. Is the ex-wife dead? Why is everyone pretending that there might be more than what he's putting out.
Thank you for the work that you do as nd sharing it with us. TOPIC SUGGESTION... deep dive into bullying. What is it really? How does it happen? Why does it happen? How does one become a bully? How & Why are some more susceptible to bullying? How & What can you do to recognize it, stop it, report it, etc? For example. TOPIC SUGGESTION... Are some people more susceptible to abuse than others? How &why does this happen? What can someone do to protect themselves from it happening in the first place and/or happening again? I think these topics corillate with this case and in real everyday life. Having the tools to recognize, protect oneself and knowing what to do if one finds themselves in such a situation. I believe this could be very beneficial for many. Just suggestions. Thank you!
Hard to say for sure, but I would hope that if there was enough movement from individuals speaking out and getting the word out (like is happening now) to overcome the institutional inertia that was protecting Jodi the first time her license got suspended, things might look different. We saw Adam steed do a similar thing with the boy scouts
It's almost impossible to speak out, you will be discredited and hurt. People trust the leaders. You are taught unquestioning obedience since day one under fear. The church is huge n well financed
Their sttlement$$$$ is what Jodi manipulated Ruby for. Ruby was willing to sign over her 8 passengers millions; and kevin can’t contest if he wants to see his kids.
How are you so positive that Ruby was manipulated? It's not a stretch that her and Jodi got along because they both are alike. Ruby was pushing Jodi to buy property in the desert. Not to mention how cold and calculating she is. She comes off as sweet, kind and submissive but is more manipulative in a way that most people don't notice.
I just saw it on the Mormon podcast channel about the court order. You can probably talk to them about it and it would be nice to see how the law works in this case. There could be an attempt to stop some of the internet discussion over Adam and Jodi so as to give a fair trial, but I hope it's not an attempt to cover up the church. Utah is a very Mormon controlled state. @@Therapy2Day
Mormon stories podcast deleted their interview with Adam, but for now they have some of their shorts discussing Adam. I wonder if it will eventually extend to cease and desist the podcast with the niece?
My therapist told me that the man that came every week just before my own appointment was there because his wife committed s. It felt really wrong that she did that .
Sorry. Ruby and her husband were sociopaths before she hooked up with Jodi. They both used their children everyday to make money and their living. And Jodi was paid by the Mormon church.
That's definitely possible, maybe the point is that Jodi really focused their natural tendencies and provided the specific techniques that she had practiced and refined herself
Please, I joined the Church in 1979. I identify as a Mormon and a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. When members act as though they’re superior by confirming to the most recent, one of many, changes implemented by the Church, it only serves to prove the level of brainwashing that members are subjected to. I think I still have the right to call myself Mormon, to do otherwise seems hypocritical.
If this is your entire take on a mormon church sponsored therapist who has done unspeakable evil and harmed families, then you should probably take a long, hard look at your values. Stop with the self-righteous indignation. No one cares.
Just because they tried to re-brand to cover up their issues, doesn’t change the fact that “Mormon” was their official name, including the famous “I am a Mormon” campaign merely a few years ago. Gtfo with your semantics and try worrying about real problems.
so SO glad to see people delving into this situation, everyone is talking about the child abuse, but adam's story is just as horrifying, and its way more calculated even. It's astonishingly evil. I watched his 6 hour interview on Mormon Stories and it just kept getting worse for all 6 hours.
Those Mormon leaders , should have to answer for this too . Leaders in Australia have done terrible things to people, in the church in Australia as well. It’s all a cult and they need to repay every person’s tithing back to them, paying 10 percent of your pay is disgusting to take from anyone. If you don’t pay tithing you can’t get a temple recommend!!! This cult is the worst religion ever
@patriciafinn5717 that figures, a made-up answer with no facts because if you did present facts, they would be fake accusations from podcast guest of Mormon Stories.
JH charged exorbitant fees for her services. We’re talking 30k plus for a years worth of her ‘therapy’ She was making MILLIONS of of LDS members and the sicknesses she claimed they had! Therefore, the LDS church was also benefiting by JH’s sizable tithes.
I have to say YOUR channel has been the best one I have seen yet (regarding REAL therapists) and the first one I have given a 👍to! This is a sad situation and I feel that Jodi is the real villain here and anyone who became involved with her has suffered greatly…. These children deserve more than weak minded parents, however, with that said… the parents should now be seeking YOU for help!
@@Therapy2Day What set the channel apart from the rest for me, was your professionalism and genuine compassion about the situation. Although this has become a “sensational sideshow”, mostly due to the “armchair therapists” who are looking for 👍 & subscribers only, (similar to what they are criticizing Ruby for!🤨) However, there are people involved here, children in particular! So I really appreciated seeing a compassionate professional discussing this case. TFS
@@teresadoyle1396 wow didn't even really think that that was a needle I was trying to thread, but I appreciate you noticing. I'll always try to be respectful of whatever I'm reacting to, and leave my honest opinion without trying to pretty it up for clicks
@@Therapy2Day This was why I appreciated your video so much. After watching it, I felt like your approach to the situation was truly genuine and NOT for clicks! Keep up the good work!
