Some of the new viewers are twice LGR's age and were involved in computers since the 70's and went thru all of this equipment and software when it was new.
@@GEORGE-jf2vz and? I've been using computers since the late 70's too. Doesn't stop it being amusing when people demonstrate ignorance to a younger person's experiences.
@@tmbrwn What does age have to do with someone saying some of those people lived through the 70's? Seriously? Thats a real question? My response was to some saying this as though it meant something. I simply said I *did* and still found it amusing that people would get preachy about them to someone younger.
CRTs will always be superior to LCDs, even if the former are much heavier. Once widescreen CRTs become a thing again, you can be sure there'll be a sizeable market.
My original CRT is still boxed up after it died 10 year ago and I still haven't got my Dad to get around fixing it as he was a TV repair engineer when 21 inch TV's weighed as much as a heavy kid.. Dem gud oald dayz
@@bdwilcox Technically correct (like how I like to point out that "Paprika" predates "Inception", or that "Lion King" was stolen from "Kimba the White Lion") but just doesn't roll of the tongue so readily.
Or if you had a Socket 7 daughterboard inside an IBM Power System AC922, it could also be "Socket7 of Power9"... OK, I know that's really, REALLY pushing it for a joke.
Big respect for earning money with stone old copyrights? Unless they gave Serdashop the licence for free or very cheap of course then you're right. Do you know what kind of deal was made?
@@armorgeddon I'm sure it was reasonable, since this is kind of a niche product and somehow it was feasible to come to an agreement. IMO, that's a model for how intellectual property rights should be. Roland did the work, and their sample libraries have always been remarkable. They deserve to reap the financial benefits of that. It's also incredibly cool of them to not be too good to show some love to an eccentric community trying to do things above board. Like I said, everybody wins here.
Dude, I loved your previous midi mountain video! In particular I really liked the sound of the Kawai GMega, so much so that I immediately created an eBay saved search for one. I'd like to say my patience paid off and I got one for a great deal, but as soon as my overtime came through I jumped right on the next one that appeared. I may have paid more for it than either my SC-55 Mk2 or MT32 (although I did get a genuine deal for the MT32, so that's not a fair comparison). It's currently on the way for Japan as we speak! Anyway, I think the X2GS is a really cool option. It might seem like a lot of money for such a small thing, but it's still cheap compared to an old school Sound Canvas! And looking at the specs you can load a second soundbank, which I don't think you can do on a regular Sound Canvas?
I don't understand why the DIY community is so fascinated with dongle adapters, like the D-Sub to MIDI at 14:00. Why would you want a chain of things, including bare PCBs with all their pointy bits, hanging off (and sticking out) of the back of a computer, applying leverage on the pins and connectors of a sound card? Wouldn't it be better in every way to have a 1 ft adapter cable with a DA-15 Male on one side, and 2x DIN-5 Female (and maybe DA-15 Female) on the other? I keep seeing the RGB crowd with SCART-to-whatever plugs, adding 3" of hanging dead weight to a connector that was never meant to bear anything more than insertion force... yikes. I don't even like using DVI-I to VGA adapter dongles. Thick cables are heavy enough. Nice to have an option, sure. But I just can't help but see this accidentally getting crammed into a wall and breaking the PCB (if you're lucky) or a 30 year old sound card (if you're not.) :-(
I'm definitely considering buying one of these, not to plug into an old sound card, but because it also has USB control and 3.5mm line out. That means I *should* be able to pass it through to DOSBox and get passable Sound Canvas sound...
If you just want something akin to a MT-32 there's Doxbox-ECE which will emulate that. You still need the original rom images but those aren't hard to find.
@@flow221 Roland SC VA works decently as well. I use both an X2 via USB (not GS, haven't saved up enough to buy one of those yet) and the SC VA Software, depending on what I'm running. SC VA can be a bit tricky for the first set up, but I'm quite happy with a combination of SAVIhost to host the VST plugin, loopMIDI as a virtual MIDI interface and MIDI mapper. Once you get the setup working it's really not difficult. But still, using actual hardware will always feel better to me, so I will probably buy an X2 SG at some point as well :'D
@Channel Zero Kinda depends on how satisfied you are with "passable". Munt is good and some of the sound fonts available for Fluidsynth or VMS are decent recreations of an SC-55, but not as good as SC VA. Or original hardware, obviously.
OK, I have to finish my Canyon.mid Remix one of these days and print it on vinyl for ya Clint! ;) Just have to get the Petscii Robots bonus soundtrack done first. 🤪🤷🏼♂️
@@jbfarley Wow, he used a CRT? He must be some kind of level 33 tech wizard that can't be questioned. Next thing you know, you're going to tell me this techromancer once used a "mo-dem" where he spoke in "baud-rates". All genuflect!!!
@@MOS6582 very likely! And Adrian still gets the occasional corrections and tips from people in the comment section, so yeah, we all still have stuff to learn. Until some real expert comes along who has actually designed CRT technology back in the day, we can all just be labeled as 'enthusiasts'. No need to compare 'tube sizes'.
*jaw drop* WOW!! I've been wavering on whether or not to get a DreamBlaster for my own K6-2 retro machine but was hesitating because I just wasn't entirely sure if it was worth the price. I'm stunned.... Thanks Clint! I have a new goal!
well... "supposed" is a bit much. It's how it could theoretically have sounded if you'd had access to something resembling a pro musicians setup. For most people it probably would have been silence, or FM synth.
Aw Clint, you disappoint me. You're not the butcher I hoped you were! :-D As you really like this build how about calling it "The Super Socket 7 Computer"? ;-)
I just need to keep telling myself, "I don't need one of these to go in my retro PC. I have a SB Live Value and an Aureal Vortex2 that have perfectly fine wavetable synthesis. I bought the SB16 for its OPL3 chip, not for wavetable MIDI."
Yeah indeed, the Sound Canvas sample set the X2GS is based on is excellent, and Lee Jackson actually composed the Duke3D theme using a Roland Sound Canvas so it's a solid pairing. More on the topic here! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CVq4rSEjgnA.html
That Doom clip was awesome to hear, that was the sound of my youth. The music, the pickup sounds, the screams of pain... that shotgun. That pleased me.
I love how people assume you haven't considered a breakout cable, or heard of CRT's, clearly these people have no 3d thought process. By that, I mean they have no internal spacial awareness to think "Gee, where is this dangly card going to go now?" and "Gee, have I ever seen a CRT recorded on a camera?"
Usually it's the kind of thing I wing on the day. Because clearly it's one of those problems that depends on many factors, including how long an extension cable you get. I mean, the Power Supply my PC is running off currently isn't actually inside my case.
@@TheTurnipKing Ah, haha, yeah... When I had a Silverstone Milo ITX slim tower case the SFX PSU's fan died screaming (Literally, I was playing Metro: Last Light and it scared the HELL out of me)... So for a while I just had an EVGA ATX PSU with a really long set of cables growing out of that PC like a tumor. Gotta do what you gotta do, but on builds like these, you (usually) get things right so you don't forget, not use the system, and then break something.
I personally think he dismissed it too quickly. The mounting holes on that daughter board card would probably match up with a PCI bracket from an old modem or NIC. Just mount it in an empty PCI slot next to the sound card.
The riser cable is a no-go, because the daughterboard would flop around,eh? We've all had that issue, mate, but thankfully the FloppyCardSyndrome is easily remedied by using some velcro/hook and loop pads and just doing the two cards back to back (after confirming there's no risk of a short,ofc) . Seriously, I've lost track how often those little buggers have saved our bacon when dealing with "not entirely authorized/sane" modifications of gear at work, lol
I think there may have also been at least two holes that align in both boards, for fixing them together with nylon screws, nuts, and standoffs. Four isn't going to happen because of the height difference, but at least the lower edges could be matched up.
@@explorer9049 I agree wholeheartedly on that front, but just as Clint said - the new card isn't quite a 1 for 1 replacement for the original. Unfortunately this means that you have to make the difficult decision to either go for the tidy and "almost as good" or a slightly janky install of the original card. I'd personally go for the latter, but I've never really cared about the looks of a build (outside of stuff that's affecting actual performance), but I 'get' that most people aren't as aesthethically criplled (or utilitarian) as me :D
For a name of the PC, I'm thinking it could have like some sort of name that relates to "middle child" or "in-betweener," since that's why you built the PC in the first place: have something faster than Woodgrain, but not as fast as Megaluminium.
You never "get" these things until you hear them side by side. Like the quality of various video cards. You gotta do the comparison like this! Thanks for a great video.
When I was a very poor college student about 18 years ago, I put the 233 MHz K6 on an ATX Socket 7 motherboard and overclocked it to 400 MHz with a decently sized CPU heatsink and fan. It thing ran for years like that. Though it wasn't the fastest machine, it helped me get through school and it worked like a champ on a decent amount of games, including the Sims.
@@darunealbane There's a mempatch(unofficial) for the system to run with more than 1GB. I could use only 1GB, but since i use a dual-boot setup (Win98/WinXP), it's better than swapping parts everytime.
Excellent. I've just received my E-Wave daughterboard from Serdaco, built on the ES692S MIDI chip. I love it. I'm plugged into an ES1868 card, and in Win95 I can control the daughterboard volume with the Aux B level in the stock Windows mixer. Not sure if there's an equivalent for the Yamaha card.
I've got the previous model DreamBlaster X2 (non GS) with the fantastic Buran sound bank, love it. I would have ordered this if I had the choice, but I was a few weeks too early, oh well, no complaints.
Could always order this one as well, it's worth it and the cool people over at Serdaco deserve all of our support for doing God's own work with these projects 🙂
If you have the Buran bank version 1.1 you can set it to MT-32 Compatible mode through variation 127. Which can be activated with some handy batch files which you can find on vogons (GMGSMT32.ZIP) www.vogons.org/download/file.php?id=59349
I'm currently using a Serdaco DreamBlaster S1 (Final Edition) on an Audician 32 Plus in my Celeron 400(A) 98se/2000 build. Sure, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the X2GS you've got, yet for me it's synthetic wavetable sound, that's somewhere between a Roland MT-32 and a Roland SC-55, is still really punchy with the likes of Duke Nukem 3D and Doom.
With soundcard daughterboards it can prevent noise from component interference. Not just from the soundcard but also other cards. It's usually easy to find a hole along the top of the back of the case to attach it.. Improved my SB-Live + Yamaha XG DB setup back in the day.
"How ridiculous this is"? We've seen your MIDI stack and you've never been shy about hanging a CF Card adapter inside your case. :) Dongles on dongles wasn't a foreign idea back in the day. Love your stuff.
A cable extension is very sensible compared to some of the other crazy stuff he's done in the past, I'm surprised that LGR considers it anything but normal lol
I was hoping to hear PASSPORT.MID to be honest. The original SC-55 (both the GS and GS/GM variants) plays this just fine, but on later synths from Roland, including the SC-55 MkII, SC-55ST, and SC-88, there are very noticeable missing notes unless you send a GM reset to the device because the "capital tone fallback" feature was removed, causing invalid bank/program switches to be interpreted as no instrument instead of falling back to the default. This is actually a problem with a lot of MIDI files, and I can't find any specifications that say if the X2GS includes this feature or not.
That's not how this channel works, nor should it. It literally defeats the point of this channel. He made this one for videos he can release super quick with minimal editing.
@Common Raccoon The PCIe implementations were a bit faster a) because they were native and b) because PCIe is a more robust platform. The bridge chip added latency and introduced some bugs that they were never able or willing to work out with either a firmware update or a driver workaround.
@Common Raccoon I know those fake ones for comedy videos, but that guy "zx-C64" already created at least two Voodoo Graphics SLI setups, one two card setup called Stoned Shaman 20 Mb 3dfx Voodoo Graphics SLI Setup (www.voodooalert.de/board/forum/index.php?thread/24336-stoned-shaman-20mb-voodoo-graphics-sli-review/) and one dual plane model. I think his next project was already the recent V5 6K Remastered, which was PCI, which was covered all over the IT media. Link to the official forum thread: www.modlabs.net/forum/topic/60674/ AFAIK he's now developing an AGP model V5 6000. I can't find the link now, but it's very early in development.
Can’t believe you get hassled over CRTs. CRTs we’re annoying in the 80’s, annoying in the 90’s, annoying in the 00’s, and are still annoying today. Heavy, heat producing, failure prone annoyances.
Old games use all sorts of weird resolutions and refresh rates, most of which will look like crap on an LCD. CRTs also benefit from extremely low latency. They're a bit impractical for sure, but for retro gaming the benefits are obvious.
@@ozzyp97 for retro gaming they still produce heat, still weigh a lot, still fail constantly, still cumbersome to dispose of. “Gaming” isn’t an answer to to people being crt purists.
@@ukozi fail constantly unrelated? Nope. Cumbersome to recycle? Nope. Throw out heat? Barely. Heavy? Barely. Sure as shit not the ones people.use for gaming.. You're being pretty ridiculous here, dude. They are objectively better for certain gaming scenarios. No reason to get so worked up over it
@@ukozi Seems pretty average for ultrawides. Samsung's G9 weighs almost double that. I don't know why you'd want to regularly carry a CRT around, but I suggest being more careful if you've genuinely experienced constant failures. They're not actually that unreliable.
0:14 Is this Pod by Ubisoft? I liked this game a lot as a kid. Strange apocalyptic scenario where people do extremely dangerous racing because the world is finished anyway. I don't remember the actual problem... ^^
I thought we were gettin A-to-B comparison with SCB-55 with the ribbon cable… well, that dream-thing sounded kinda harsh anyways - too aggressive snare, ear-ripping lead guitar etc.
Seeming these on Vogons and Philslab I picked one up. So cool to see a community project provide a modern solution, allowing people to experience what it would be like to have a sound canvas. Worth every dollar in my book. Just wished I bought another 2x for my other computers haha
I actually got a breakout cable for going from the gameport socket to MIDI in/out. The nice thing about it is it also has a passthrough for connecting an actual joystick if you wanted to. I used it to hook up the SoundBlaster AWE64 sound card I've got in one of my retro PCs to this old Yamaha keyboard my sister got from her ex-boyfriend many a year ago lol.
I have one of those DB15MIDI from Serdashop. Extremely simple and extremely useful. They are 2 MIDI outs though, there's no midi in. I needed joystick so I bought a splitter cable from aliexpress, noticed it did not AT ALL have enough wires in it to deal with a joystick so I resoldered it to me needs, and that DB15MIDI plays nicely into that solution thanks to its buffering components.
Isn’t the soft synth a straight up Yamaha XG? Should sound good if it isn’t too compromised. This is kinda old tho, so it probably is. I used one of the later ones to play midi files during the XP era and it was pretty great. EDIT: That Duke3D song does sound amazing with this. Very solid and like the instruments are glued together, which can be a problem with wavetable stuff IMO, like the drums are way too loud or the bass is off.
That X2GS is is neat and all but the dB midi caught my attention more. I was just looking for something like that because I want to connect my windows 98 machine to ableton live (just for fun) but I didn't want to deal with having extra cables strung around or worry about getting midi couplers for my usb interface.
I remember playing MIDI tracks on my decked out AWE32+Wave Blaster 2 daughterboard. With the weird echoey reverb it sounded so creepy. Like computer geek vampires would listen to it in a really echoey bar or dance club. At least that's what it reminded me of. 😉
I never got into playing computer games much, too busy at work supporting minicomputers evolving into mainframes. But I did enjoy getting the most out of the PC hardware, including sound cards. That's why I enjoy LGR videos, they cover the nuts & bolts and that almost intangible coolness factor, regardless of what era they're from.
I have one of these mounted on a Sonic Vortex 2 card and it sounds great. It works fine in Windows 98 however when trying it in Windows Xp I notice that there's no Vortex AU8830 MPU-401 interface in the xp device manager, so I can't run it in XP. I realise that Aureal drivers were discontinued before XP but I'll welcome any suggestions for winxp if anyone has ideas. Thx. D
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I have the same sound card (4 of them actually) and a dreamblaster -- if you want to independently control the volume for the wavetable header audio, use "Wave Balance" in the volume control box.
Doh. I spammed messages about using a ribbon cable before I saw this video. (gulp) sorry, buddy. :/ I do remember back in the day seeing that you can fold ribbon cables like origami. It would allow the daughterboard to lie flat(ter), at least. Oh, well. Glad your solution worked out well for you! Build on! :)
6:00 - Which shows ignorance about CRTs. How many functional ones are left? The lifespan shrinks every time you turn them on. They're probably best saved for special occasions. 8:35 - The depth of sound and bass are immediately noticeable.
I’d stick with Socket 7 Build. I would think others know what pc you were talking about. It was the reason why you built it. Socket 7. So. Socket 7 Build. Just goes with it. That’s just me tho lol. Pretty cool build. :)
i mean extension cable was also my idea, and i ended up designing extension but using PCB which is well usable and both cards hold together pretty much fine.
You could mount the Roland board on some standoffs and screw into case... I would rather do this than spending 85 euro! on a second daughterboard rendering the original one useless.. There are like 85 euro of reasons to buy the flat ribbon cable and mount it somehow or simply having loose in case.. who hasent done that before anyhow with a ssd or harddrive at some point..
