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@JeffGeerling 11 месяцев назад

Feeling smug about picking OPNsense for the new office...

@joaopedroalbernaz 11 месяцев назад

We need a video from you about this

@chuxxsss 11 месяцев назад

Maybe I need that version for my network, Jeff.

@wiziek 11 месяцев назад

So you are cheap guy?

@TheBlaser55 11 месяцев назад

I will have to try OPNsence based on your choice, Jeff. Hope you put out a video on it as well.

@joansparky4439 11 месяцев назад

@ wiziek Why is using open-source being 'cheap'? One should be very careful extrapolating from ones own mindset onto that of others..

@thepontiff7505 11 месяцев назад

I went to opnsense about a year ago when netgate just kept being insufferable rude pigs. Took a bit of getting used to, but it's rock solid. Now I wouldn't use anything else.

@RandomTechChannel 11 месяцев назад

Changes like this kept me suspicios moving from CE to Plus that this will happen sooner than later. Sadly that was true. 👎Good luck with convicing the pfSense community that CE will not be ditched sooner than later. Nothing wrong with willing to make money but turning your back on community who preach your products and services is something I cannot agree with. However, all the best to Netgate and their future plans!

@zeusde86 11 месяцев назад

boot-envs are cool and such, but another feature you're missing out on it Intel QAT, which is also only available on plus

@Darkk6969 11 месяцев назад

I am running the plus version of pfsense on my current Dell OptiPlex desktop PC' and the processor is old so QAT is not available. This shouldn't be an issue for most home labs as they tend to run old hardware anyway.

@zeusde86 11 месяцев назад

@@Darkk6969 i don't agree on this. for one, users tend to pick low-power hardware for 24/7 instances, that often is not compatible with old hardware. and on the other hand, ultra-low-power CPUs like an intel atom c3558 (which i run) does indeed support QAT, as it is designed for usecases like networking-devices (beside others). if you get alot of crypto-offloading basically for free in hardware with QAT and AES-NI this is indeed a major benefit, especially for VPN-Gateways.

@TheJensss 11 месяцев назад

Bye bye pfSense, im transitioning to OPNsense Maybe the future of OPNsense is a linux based fork? (if FreeBSD is slowly dying)

@AdamsLab 11 месяцев назад

Their reasoning doesn’t make sense and they expect home labs to spend $400/yr for a license.

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

Too many businness customers were using "home lab" versions of Pro. That's what happens when you make a "exactly like businness but free" product line

@AdamsLab 11 месяцев назад

@@marcogenovesi8570 - Doesn't make sense they had a revenue stream of $129/year (that I paid for) and they took that away...?

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

@@AdamsLab Do you understand what does "Too many businness customers were using "home lab" versions of Pro." mean? It means companies that should be getting the 400$ and bigger license were paying only 129$. That's a lot less money from their main customer base.

@ErikS- 5 месяцев назад

About time the complete open source society should go to court in a class action! And show a judge how they gave free contributions to this FREE open source software projects with the understanding it IS FREE and STAYS FREE! These filthy license changes are nothing different than a wolve in sheeps clothing!

@ivanr5315 11 месяцев назад

I do not disagree with their policy going forward but giving something on which people base their system and then taking it away is not reasonable in my view. Eventually I will have to revert back to the CE edition or move to something else, great!

@alex.prodigy 11 месяцев назад

thanks Tom for the video I'm pretty sure netflix contributes quite a lot of networking related code , simply because you can't have streaming without networking

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

serving content is different from filtering network traffic. Netflix is using as a server, pfsense is using as a firewall

@alex.prodigy 11 месяцев назад

@@marcogenovesi8570 that doesn't mean the network stack is not important for Netflix , quite the contrary i would argue

@RebootTechnologies 11 месяцев назад

I have tested the sophos free firewall and there are some futures I love but still preferred pfsense since the main futures I need is easier to setup

@bandit8623 11 месяцев назад

switched to opnsense. was an easy transition

@LordApophis100 11 месяцев назад

MacOS isn't FreeBSD, the added parts of BSD to their Mach kernel and userland.

@PinchOfLuck 7 месяцев назад

Paying THAT much for my home router? Seriously now? Just buy Ubiquity or create your own open source router which is still opensource. Plenty of free solutions out there. And I need to pay I will pay for hardware, not software, ESPECIALLY if it is a recurring subscription of any kind whatsoever.

@rogeramoe 11 месяцев назад

OPNSense .

@JohnDoe1999-lg7mh 2 месяца назад

I would have paid $129 to support the project. I still use pfSense as said, they give back to freeBSD.

@BrianSimmons 11 месяцев назад

I have a "valid" license of for Plus Home/Lab version, but I never actually converted from CE to that version on my firewall hardware. My understanding is that it is impossible for me to change over now. This is the problem I have with the situation (if that is in fact true).

@garzdiva 11 месяцев назад

Well you wouldn't wanna convert it even if you could. They're saying existing Home/Lab installations aren't likely to get updates so they really wanna kill that.

@mikeoreilly4020 11 месяцев назад

The voice of reason. Thank you Tom.

@nathang7309 11 месяцев назад

Yah, I'm done with them. As a rule I'll pay a reasonable amount once for software I use and go about my business. If they want a monthly/yearly subscription I'll use something else. Lots of router/firewall products out there that are buy once or come included on the hardware you purchase and you are done.

@el4266 11 месяцев назад

I was forced to use Plus due to the box NIC, but I’m happy to pay $100 just to keep using it. It’s too annoying to upgrade to CE.

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

OPNsense will probably work fine as it's using a newer base with newer drivers

@el4266 11 месяцев назад

@@marcogenovesi8570 I’m planing to switch , but I don’t when I will have that courage and time to deal with. Probably when I buy another box, so I have a backup in case something goes south.

@TheAyrrow 11 месяцев назад

How about just using pf(4) & pf.conf(5) on openbsd? (Not serious - fun lab project though)

@magesnz 11 месяцев назад

i wouldn't mind paying a fixed priced 129$ lifetime for one pfsense plus without any support, but if i wanted support, i think paying 129$ a year would be good

@lucsegers6931 11 месяцев назад

OK, I'm confused. So pfsense+ is not an option because of the cost (too costy for home use), so I would use pfsense CE. But did I understand correctly that CE will not be maintained...

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 11 месяцев назад

CE is still being maintained as of today.

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

CE will receive an update every year or two as normal

@joshuawaterhousify 11 месяцев назад

For me, I'd have done a one time fee licence; a subscription for home usage on my router? Hell no. $200-$300 once for a router I can use until it dies? Sure, that I can do; I'll put money to things I support, but not as a subscription. I bought a Negate 6100 (before the 4100 existed, from memory) because I was putting money to a thing I wanted to support and it was how to do it without a subscription (and almost had to anyway because I'm an idiot who couldn't find a setting). I buy DVDs and blurays or even iTunes downloads of movie and TV shows I love, but I refuse to do Netflix or Disney+ or anything for exactly the same reason

@pepeshopping 11 месяцев назад

Ha! I was right by NOT biting the "gravy train"!!! OPNsense, here we come!

@alexrosenberg_tube 11 месяцев назад

Dammit. WTF is wrong with the folks at Netgate?

@baricdondarion6228 10 месяцев назад

Your video got me into PFS and has helped me alot. When the whole Plus came out. I avoided it like a plaque. I just knew they would pull the rug under their users. It was obvious that all they needed was beta testers to allow them have a large base people to test the product and do QC. I am quite happy with CE. Gives me all I need. I would eventually move to Open sense. Lawrence, I understand this is your channel and you can do what you will. But you and the community would benefit from making content outside of PFS. Make one about opensense. I personally dont see that happening because afaik you are just too close to Netgate to want to "betray" your friends there. You do make a good PR for them I hope they appreciate that.

@christopherpeterson6004 11 месяцев назад

Give us AI and SIEM features with support as good as Sophos and you got a deal.

@Mr.Leeroy 11 месяцев назад

everyone swallowing Plus license was like an invitation for corp to proceed with milking freshly acquired product.

@bones549 11 месяцев назад

I would pay 129. 350 no way

@BPL-Whipster 11 месяцев назад

Et tu, Brute. Bugger it, im buying a Mikrotik.

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

This seems to be an ongoing problem with open source and open source licensing. Companies want others to contribute but once the product becomes good enough they lock the open source product and change the license by hiding it behind a SAAS subscription with a new user agreement. Seems like it's time the big players and the Foundation need to address this before it gets out of control.

@bdd7881 11 месяцев назад

When the companies are young they can do things that don't always make shareholders happy. Once they reach a certain size/income they focus more and more on shareholders/profit and open licensing does not work well with that.

@northblue8216 11 месяцев назад

Exactly... Now-a-days, everyone doing SAAS because they want to be next week's new Billionaire with a Russian Super Yacht docked in port, a Bill Gates moon sized mansion, bitches in Dubai, and all of YOUR money in their back pocket and their bank accounts.

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

open source allows them the freedom to do this, locking them out is against the tenets of open source.

@Traumatree 11 месяцев назад

That's the problem (for us) with the BSD license, and is also the solution for companies to hide and keep what they want.

@shady4tv 11 месяцев назад

@@marcogenovesi8570 Actually - Copyleft licenses like the GPL prevent this because it requires you to release any contributions back upstream. The BSD license allows this. besides BSD itself - most projects built from BSD are closed-source.

@KP_Macro 11 месяцев назад

I remember when Plus came out, there were people warning that Netgate would be doing this or something similar in the future. Many people didn't believe it or eventually decided to ignore it. Netgate has a weird history and a record of missteps and questionable decisions that they then defended in a not-so-professional manner. Like many, I would be more than willing to pay - even for CE - but not nearly that much.

@it-monkey3280 11 месяцев назад

This is true, and it is not that long ago either

@KimmoJaskari 11 месяцев назад

I don't want to pay for CE. I would pay (a more sane amount than $399) for plus assuming they managed to differentiate the Plus option and put in features that legit made it better. Without gutting CE to artificially create a rift, anyway.

@myhometvaccount9365 11 месяцев назад

if it wasn't for toms videos i wouldn't never have got my head round pfsense, only later did i find out what a idiot prat "man child" jamie thompson was, but i stuck to it because of time/effort invested.. if i had known beforehand..... Thats i would never pay for it, knowing that i was putting money in that tossers pocket, come on Tom lets have the openwrt vids :)

@thudtheace 11 месяцев назад

Looks like netgate is going to pull a unity, and that worked out so well for them.

@forid200 11 месяцев назад

@@KimmoJaskariproblem is they want to charge you 399$ for pretty much the same feature set and barely any next gen features built into the core.

@antonmaier5172 11 месяцев назад

Bybye. Hello OPNSense. Pfsense doesn't appear to do much of developing and bugfixing anyway.

@arturk3810 11 месяцев назад

Yep, they feel like bunch of salesmans not developers. More I learn about them the more obvious it is.

@RocketsPocket-u2r 11 месяцев назад

I've been a subscribe of this channel for many years, so i understand your reasons as you've mentioned it many times before.... But.... i think it could be a very lucrative/wise move to make a start on making some videos about that "other" firewall. It sure would boost the subscriber base! Diversity is key...Lets be honest... at some point Netgate "might" close the door, and when or if that happens it will leave a lot of home users like myself without an option.When that happens you'll already have well produced/trustworthy content to help us switch. It would be really nice to have a channel as good as yours to supply well produced/trustworthy content on setting up that "other" firewall... When that time comes.... You'll already be there ;)

@lllongreen 11 месяцев назад

No need to call it the other firewall its OPNSense, and Yes time to make videos about this going forward. And 399 is a no go, 129 USD was already pushing it, 99 USD should be new license for small environment/lab use.

@techno_john 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, no, thankfully he doesn't do this. Like he said, he's worked with OpnSense and it's frustrating (I've done the same and had the same conclusion) He's making videos about what *is* working, not what *might* or *could* work down the road. Keep up the great vids Lawrence Systems!

@abbiedogthree856 11 месяцев назад

Sad I converted to Plus, CE did everything I needed. Time to give OpenSense a second look.

@zunar_j5_933 11 месяцев назад

Same here...this is BS.

@ralph4370 11 месяцев назад

Switched over a few months ago from pfsense. Since Pfsense CE was not being updated as much. Opnsense has worked flawlessly for me, no regrets, and is updated WAY more than pfsense.

@rahilarious 11 месяцев назад

at this point, Netgate updates license more than to CE version

@MattVickers 11 месяцев назад

CE would be fine if it supported the zfs boot slice feature. Pushing that to CE would go a long way to solving the issue IMO

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

@@rahilariousSounds like they're taking business lessons from Suse, Oracle & Redhat.

@droknron 11 месяцев назад

They told us to move from CE to Plus because it was better and free for home use. Now if I change any hardware on my box that runs Plus, my license becomes invalid and I have to pony up $400 or revert back to pfSense CE and lose features..... just wonderful. I've already had my license invalidated once when I changed network cards so this is a real possibility again. Netgate isn't a good company, no morals, no ability to stick to what they say etc

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

At $400 that's 3 times more expensive than Meraki.

@lllongreen 11 месяцев назад

400 USD is a complete no go ! if they dont develop CE further or dont make a max 99 USD lab license this will be it for them, but maybe they finally decided to stop the CE version going forward @@ericneo2

@blademan7671 11 месяцев назад

They pushed Plus, and I moved to Plus a few months ago. These guys keep changing their tune. Super annoying. Oh well, time to set aside some time and move to Opnsense. I hear Opnsense community is much nicer too.

@CraftComputing 11 месяцев назад

HEY! This is my livestream timeblock!

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 11 месяцев назад

Hahaha oops

@APT4308 11 месяцев назад

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMSwould be cool if you make OpenSense migration video!!!

@TechySpeaking 11 месяцев назад

And mine.

@LackofFaithify 11 месяцев назад

be optimistic all you want. Once a company starts these sorts of rug pulls they don't stop. Period. Never have been in the doom in gloom crowd, but this pattern of behavior is a well cemented one in the corporate world. You give a mouse a cookie, and it will inevitably not stop till it gets the house.

@maxbroomfield5392 11 месяцев назад

I gave my wife a cookie once…. It all makes sense now, Netgate is my wife.

@go2guy 11 месяцев назад

Getting sick of companies (Vader voice) "I have altered the terms of service pray I don't change them further"

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 11 месяцев назад

I considered putting that i the thumbnail, but did not want the real tyrant of a company after me....Disney..

@SpookyLurker 11 месяцев назад

My pfSense install f-ed up at some point and wouldn't do OS or plugin updates no more. I guess it was a good choice to revert back to OPNsense. I will not do subscription models.. ever.

@kevinhilton8683 11 месяцев назад

What an opportunity for you to expand your audience and start producing some opnsense videos. You could keep producing videos for both firewalls

@lllongreen 11 месяцев назад

1000 % time for OPNSense videos !

@techno_john 11 месяцев назад

Sure, if you want him making vids about the frustrations he *clearly* brought out in his video... 🤔

@vaidkun 11 месяцев назад

10-15usd per month for home user license sounds not that bad, but the 400USD per year is a bit steep... the worst thing is they had strong push to free plus home/lab licenses that were free and now they just pulled this stuff...

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

At $400 that's 3 times more expensive than Meraki.

@maxbroomfield5392 11 месяцев назад

I could’ve swore Meraki was more expensive than that. IIRC my school pays ~$13,000 a YEAR to keep our MX appliance on.

@maxbroomfield5392 11 месяцев назад

Edit: it’s $16,557 for a 5 year license. I was WAY off. But still overly expensive…

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

@@maxbroomfield5392 PSfsense is $1,197 per device and Meraki is $400 per device both for 3 years. Work out how many UTMs, APs and Switches your school has and times it by the cost per device. The discount you get from Meraki increases as your license period increases.

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

@@maxbroomfield5392Assuming you have ~ 50 devices and licensed for 3 years... PFSense: 50 x $1,197 = $59,850 Meraki: 50 x $400 = $20,00

@johncavanaugh6481 11 месяцев назад

Nobody was going to pay $129/yr. Pfsense is now going down a death spiral as the dev/enthusiast community will abandon them. The writing on the wall is clear that they will abandon CE as well. The race is now on to see which project/team will rise up to take this marketshare...

@JBK63 11 месяцев назад

Would pay a one time fee but that’s it. Even $129 per year for a home user is too much. Seems like solution would be to either buy one of their appliances or switch to something else.. I think they’ve got one day to straighten this out. As of 9:55 AM this morning this video already has 13,000 views. If they don’t straighten this out quickly it’s going to be difficult to stop the momentum of people looking for alternatives and being aggravated about the whole thing

@myhometvaccount9365 11 месяцев назад

shock horror ... drip drip drip :) watch the community edition *slowly* become the "poor mans edition" over the coming years... money talks and money walks! time to get my head around openwrt over the coming months, so much choice of hardware once reflashed with it, please please please do some vids on it Tom :)

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

the CE version has always been the poor man edition with less features, in what world have you been living in

@TylerB_777 11 месяцев назад

@@marcogenovesi8570Ugh we've been here for years and over those years they've been removing features. It's just the reality. Where have you been?

@JonathanSwiftUK 11 месяцев назад

$399 is totally unaffordable for home users. So back to CE. Most likely I'll immediately try Opensense. I thought it said TAC lite is gone. They just screwed themselves, and all of us who followed their advice to move to the free home lab versions. I feel like "how to install Opensense" is going to be trending.

@MattVickers 11 месяцев назад

I would happily pay around $30-40 per year for home use of an open source product. Income from home users will be a drop in the ocean compared to commercial income whether they charge $10 or $200

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

At $400 that's 3 times more expensive than Meraki.

@Dr.Bojie-Chan 11 месяцев назад

I recently got an email that my 3100 is EOL because FreeBSD no longer supports 32 bit. I have only had it for a few years.... I have supported PFSense for 15 years plus, deployed it for many customers. How could they sell these in good conscience knowing they would pre-maturely hit with EOL? Very frustrating business lately

@TeflonBilly426 11 месяцев назад

If I'm reading it right, the 3100 uses an Atom C3338R, which is a 64-bit CPU. They might be EOL that model of hardware, but that doesn't necessarily mean you won't be able to get future updates of pfSense.

@JustPlainRob 11 месяцев назад

"China won't respect our copyright and illegally sells products with our software. You know what will totally stop them? License changes that only our loyal hobbyist users abide by. Screwing them over instead of the problem people totally won't have any negative effect on our brand..."

@iankester-haney3315 11 месяцев назад

It's not the change that bothers me. It just costs so much. For a home use case, $30 to $60 is a more reasonable yearly cost.

@johanea 11 месяцев назад

So 5 dollars a month for a year is too much for you? Don't know, maybe unsubscribe your Internet from the ISP so that you save some money for bread.

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

@@johanea You sound like those Adobe apologists.

@NeptuneSega 11 месяцев назад

@@johanea What a moronic take

@matthewnirenberg 11 месяцев назад

@@johanea The problem is everything is $5-$25 per month. It all ads up. The solution is to abolish subscriptions and either keep opensource free or to have once-off fee's every major version. Subscriptions are a disease that rapidly cost thousands all up each year.

@BenTyger 11 месяцев назад

What the cost of a prosumer embedded firewall? Usually around 200-300USD and will last you about 3-4 years. PfSense is a hell of lot more capable than most prosumer routers. Hardware is the cheap part for pfSense. Old computer or hardware like protecti or Qotom are basically drop in hardware for pfSense. Paying 25-60/year for a router license seems very reasonable.

@-Good4Y0u 11 месяцев назад

And this is one of the huge reasons I didn't upgrade to plus. The other being that my system works fine and I didnt feel like doing an upgrade like that for features I didn't need.

@maxherman11 11 месяцев назад

They haven’t added any truly good features to plus that would make it worth the cost. If they added some AI features, cloud managed environments, a new UI, and some other stuff than maybe. But other than that it’s not worth it. I’ve supported pfsense so much over the years but this is a bridge too far. I’ve never looked into OPNSense but may do so now. How to shoot yourself in the foot as a small company that was built by home users. Yikes.

@EagleSightLabs 11 месяцев назад

I am in the process of buying the gear to build my own homelab and was looking at using pfSense. I was ok with the $129/year for TAC Lite. It sucks that they just removed that option completely. I feel like $129/year is a reasonable price for home use. Obviously I would prefer it to be free for home use but if I have to pay then $129/year then I'm ok with that. I'll have to load pfSense CE into a VM and see what's features are available there. If it has what I need then I'll go that route because the experience of knowing how to use pfSense is definitely worth it for a career in IT.

@mr.needmoremhz4148 11 месяцев назад

I think one of the core issues they failed to address is the bigger why? Their appliances aren't perceived that good anymore, from a hardware perspective (whether people actually use the computing or not). I think people want to pay extra for a pre-installed box, they are just doing that by buying (mostly) compatible, tested hardware from those other vendors. These vendors ask a hefty fee themselves if you look at it from a hardware POV. I think if they paid a bit more attention to that side of the market and toward the prosumer, much could be solved here. This has been a question mark for me as well. You have the decade old 1537 and the 1541 whom even gotten pricier over the years (where I live). The side of the business they have neglected, in my opinion, is conveniently the one they are blaming others appliance vendors to fill.

@BersekViking 11 месяцев назад

How do I downgrade? If I backup the config pf-plus and restore it on a CE, it shows a warning message that does not seem to go away.

@trebekanalbumcover 11 месяцев назад

I was hesitant to upgrade to Plus because I was afraid of a rug pull. Now, I gotta redeploy to CE. Just disappointing.

@nadtz 11 месяцев назад

When people said this wouldn't happen back when I read the writing on the wall (same with Red Hat and other projects) and moved to opnsense.

@philosoaper 11 месяцев назад

I don't mind paying, but I DO mind subscriptions. If you only ever needed one, then that would be fine...but everything being a bloody subscription makes me want to pirate the planet. If they want $400 from home users, it should be a one time fee. Any subscription from home users shouldn't even be $25 a year when EVERYONE demands subscriptions

@kf4hqf2 11 месяцев назад

Personally, I've paid $5/mo for Arista NG (formerly Untangle) for years, and IMHO it's a much better experience than PFS. Arista Plus version is $150/yr I think, which includes things like Threat Prevention, WireGuard, etc. Maybe worth a look for some.

@GrossGeneralization 11 месяцев назад

Remind me again why people want a web interface for this stuff? It's pretty trivial to install freebsd or openbsd and update rc.conf and pf.conf as required. 30 mins in a text editor in exchange for not dealing with some third party changing the rules on me on a whim sounds like a good tradeoff. If you're not competent enough to edit some config files you're probably not competent enough to configure a firewall.

@phasechange5053 11 месяцев назад

The current version should be the new CE then. What bugs me is because i was able to build my own free box i was able to test and use the platform for myself first and then in turn i purchased negate hardware for my actual clients for deployment. This does push a nerve for me it was a perk for supporting them imho. I don't want to support hardware i don't use myself and i don't want to spend more and more $ on my personal network when i don't need too. Guess i need to drop Netgate as an appliance for my customers going forward, it was nice while it lasted.

@rjy8960 11 месяцев назад

This is a very good and valid point. You want me to design in your kit, make it easy for me and don't put up barriers to people that will do the sales job for you.

@michaeljaques77 11 месяцев назад

I'm willing to pay, but not $129/yr I don't need or want negate support, i just want the software. I would pay a one time fee of $89, or maybe $19.99/yr. I've bought other software, namely Plex and unRAID. I would have stayed with CE but the compelling reason for plus was zfs and boot environments.

@ericneo2 11 месяцев назад

Meraki is $150 for 1 year, $400 for 3 years...

@michaeljaques77 11 месяцев назад

@@ericneo2 I'm not paying that much for that either. If they are simply providing the x64 code they compiled anyways with no warranty or support, I don't think it unreasonable to come in well under $100/yr. I'm not asking for free, but I also have a wife who wouldn't blink at $20 but might start to question why if I tell her $129/yr just to have a secure well maintained internet experience from her perspective.

@fordsrmaster 8 месяцев назад

I'm a bit behind ( 3 months I guess ), but I just watched this video. It got me curious so I just checked my plus version and PFSense+ is reporting the last update was December 9th and I am on the current version ( at least that is what the dashboard is reporting ). Maybe updates stopped after December 31st for me? I'm not sure.

@operationstayalive 8 месяцев назад

i just logged into my pfsense, was going to look into installing CE version, but tried to update plus version first. to my surprise it worked. i now have 23.09.1-RELEASE (amd64) built on Wed Jan 10 9:58:00 CST 2024. hopefully this continues to work because i love the interface and features.

@williamp6800 11 месяцев назад

The GL.iNet travel routers use OpenWrt with a much more refined interface on top of it. It’s limited to the particular configurations they want to promote on their devices, but you can drop down to the full OpenWrt interface when you want to.

@Major_Thorn 11 месяцев назад

Openwrt is nice for small configs and small home networks. However, it does not have the power behind it for complex configs.

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

@@Major_Thorn it's just a frontend for Linux iptables/nftables/whatever so I'm not sure how "it does not have the power for complex configs". If you just want to replace a router/firewall no matter how complex it's fine. It's the software ecosystem that is less developed (in the sense that yes you have lots of packages but they often do not have a web gui)

@snakeplissken8887 11 месяцев назад

The only problem with GL.iNet routers is that they are severely limited by storage and memory.

@snakeplissken8887 11 месяцев назад

If you really want to do any meaningful blocking you need more storage and more memory otherwise the device locks up and reboots.

@slipknottin 11 месяцев назад

As long as they keep offering the community edition for free I’ll keep using it.

@joshhardin666 11 месяцев назад

$129 for a perpetual license isn't unreasonable. $129 a year is terrible. $129 for support a year is fine, but for those of us who will never use support or prefer to buy support when we need it (even if that support is another $129) is fine i guess... but for people like me, my ENTIRE ROUTER PLATFORM - hardware and software that i'm running pfsense easily costs less than $129. it's an i5-2500, 8gb of ram, 128gb ssd, and a $30 used intel x540-t2 dual port 10gb network card. full-on 10g networking that's working great at routing my entire homelab including quite a few vlans and my 2gb symmetrical fiber for all my various projects, homelab, 5 node proxmox server with LOTS of vm's and containers, etc. short of deep packet inspection, i'm not sure why someone would pay more than maybe $200 on a 10g router right now (Short of support).

@marcfruchtman9473 11 месяцев назад

add to that ... Perpetual licenses don't mean much if the company can "alter" the terms of service in a material way.

@Darkk6969 11 месяцев назад

@@marcfruchtman9473 Yep. Like paying for lifetime subscription only to be changed to yearly subscription later. If you want continued support have to pay up.

@philippe_demartin 10 месяцев назад

Strangely, my pfsense box with pfSense+ Software Subscription Home (Non-commercial use) update without a problem to 23.09-RELEASE (amd64) built on Tue Oct 31 16:56:00 -03 2023

@KimmoJaskari 11 месяцев назад

I'm on CE, and it's doing everything I need it to. As long as Netgate doesn't go full asshole and ditch CE, I'm fine with them charging for Plus. Companies should pay for use. I'll agree that the step from zero to $399 is bullshit high for home users. That's an annual fee, too. Over a five year period I as a home user would pay more to use the firewall than I would for my gaming PC or something. Just a tone deaf pricing point especially coming from zero. But I guess with an appliance you do get the Tac Lite in perpetuity, then? That makes it a good idea to just buy one of their lower end appliances.

@pjohnson21211 11 месяцев назад

like you I use CE too....and if this route is unavailable I'll move to another option, did it with m0n0wall and open to do it again. Inertia is the primary reason I'm sticking with pfsense.

@KimmoJaskari 11 месяцев назад

@@pjohnson21211 Yeah there are alternatives that will work for most. I enjoy pfSense overall and it's been rock solid so I'd hate to change, but $400 a year is out of the question.

@AshKirby 11 месяцев назад

Would be interesting to know how many people bother with the downgrade to CE compared with how many people take this as an opportunity to jump over to OPNsense or try something else

@garyandersontech 11 месяцев назад

Ce is not a bad option. Ive been using it since the early 2000s as well. I have clients with IPSec tunnels and remote offices using Ce, and have been for years, no issues. Keep a spare appliance, and a current config backup, and your gold.

@insobox 11 месяцев назад

pfSense hasn't been the same since Chris was ousted by Jim. I guess that's just the nature of the beast though in business.

@jmcbri 11 месяцев назад

Switched to H+L two weeks ago. *Sigh*. But no hate. They are doing what they think they need to for their org. I'll go back to CE.

@jolness1 11 месяцев назад

I think the point about someone having to pay for open source development is important. I also am frustrated by the lack of $129 tier and the poor communication though. Sadly companies have to focus on shareholder profits as they grow so they end up doing things that are progressively more at odds with people’s ideal of OSS. I will have to switch to opnsense but can’t justify $400 unfortunately. Even VMware does their program where you can use all of their stuff for like $100 for home use. I do get the decision but poorly handled imo

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

"all their stuff" is kind of not what you get for 100$ from VMWare. You get a very limited SINGLE esxi virtualization host and that's it.

@OddLlama 11 месяцев назад

So tired of subscription everything.

@Jeff-hw8is 10 месяцев назад

Using Protectli FW6C, tried to upgrade to 2023.5 from 2023.1, seem to work but after uninstalling pfBlockerNG, the reboot failed. Not sure if the boot failure was related to the licensing or the package corrupted the OS. Was just trying to get closer to the 2023.09 version. Ended up installing CE 2.7.1. Perhaps I will try installing pfBlockerNG again, but not today. The re-install took a couple hours as I don't do networking often and forgot some of the steps. If netgate lowers the price to under $50/year, perhaps I will go back to plus.

@jerryfaircloth 11 месяцев назад

Glad I switched to OPNSense a couple years ago. Don't think I will ever go back.

@JimmyArogen 11 месяцев назад

399 per year for a firewall is a lot even for my small company. 129 a year I would pay, 399 I might, but will not be happy about it.

@Ramss3s 11 месяцев назад

Why din’t they made an “optional update” button to revert back to CE… 😢

@gedavids84 11 месяцев назад

My annoyance is that they insisted we move to plus from CE if we wanted new features sooner (like finally moving away from FreeBSD12).

@zacharylewis417 11 месяцев назад

I initially did Opnsense but was having issues with firewall rules. Could not get the dang thing to work. Switched to pfsense and no issues with firewall. Might have to take a crack at it again.

@ericapelz260 11 месяцев назад

I'm so glad I chose to install CE. Now, I just wonder how long CE will be supported.

@MitchellWilsonII Месяц назад

Uggg!! Just built my new firewall and JUST found out about this. I wouldn't care except I went through the difficult process of ensuring my CPU has QAT for encryption (VPN) acceleration.

@neccron9956 11 месяцев назад

I'm thinking 69.00 a year.

@georgelza 11 месяцев назад

... $129 is 20x in South African Currency... its to much for me as a home user... it this is their demand... for something I installed and it just sat there, working.

@logmeindog 11 месяцев назад

Hmm.... 30K views after 1 day = $3M a year in revenue. Personally, I will never pay a subscription for software as I only support perpetual software and hardware licensing models but I am fortunately in a financial position to purchase a perpetual license, should one be offered. I purchased the 4100, for example. Subscriptions only make since to me for web hosted solutions.

@PedroMorenoBOS 11 месяцев назад

Running CE without any issue, them I don't still see any advantage or module to move to pfsense+, them I don't see any issue on my side I don't have any pfsense+ running on a none netgate hw, them I can sleep but I have to start working with opnsense in case they close more the door.

@IanHobday 11 месяцев назад

If only there was a different open source firewall that people could switch to and thus escape the seemingly endless pfsense shinanagens..... Maybe it could be called "open"something, or shorten it to "opn"something.....

@marcogenovesi8570 11 месяцев назад

OPNSense and OpenWrt

@IanHobday 11 месяцев назад

@@marcogenovesi8570 Yes, that was the point...

@demonmaestro 11 месяцев назад

Easy enough. All these companies want to move to a recurring environment. Easy money. Reason why TNSR moved from $500 to now call sales. 😞

@x3roxide 11 месяцев назад

I switched to OPNsense when they pulled the shenanigans last time - haven't looked back. It does everything I need it to do and I feel more comfortable knowing that I don't need to switch and reconfigure due to a licensing issue. If I needed web filtering, I'd pay for something that actually does it properly. On PFSense it always felt like a feature in a beta state.

@ff34jmr 11 месяцев назад

The problem here is not the fact the kept maintaining CE edition. Is the fact the developed CE edition os getting slower and slower. 2.7 was released ages after 23 plus. It’s obviously dying out. Time to finally move on to opnsense

@DominikZalewski85 11 месяцев назад

I agree missed opportunity here and some people will go to opnsense just for a sake of doing it. Home lab $99/yr licence will be ok for most and will pay some netgate dev time.

@notta3d 11 месяцев назад

Can you do some videos on OpenSense? I have so much stuff going on and having to deal with this bombshell right now is totally unexpected. Damn!

@Brian-nz6ns 11 месяцев назад

It's greed, disguised as BS. There's still OpenSense and Untangle. I don't think home users are going to start paying for PFSense. If you need TAC support you shouldn't be using pfSense to begin with.

@TylerB_777 11 месяцев назад

First the license changes were to keep the code base similar, thus faster updates. That clearly wasnt the case. CE updates are far behind and growing! Now even more restrictions... At what point do you see the writing on the wall?

@Xaitra 11 месяцев назад

Ahhh so Netgate is going down that path, should have seen that coming. Time to switch from pfSense CE to OPNSense. These moves from greedy companies arent worth supporting in the long run.

@RonnieRedd 9 месяцев назад

I've been using pfSense since version 1.0. When Chris left, I feared what would happen. So far my fears have shown to be unsubstantiated.

@Salad360 11 месяцев назад

I was debating on upgrading to the free + for homelab. Glad I’m still on CE!

@Vision06 11 месяцев назад

hahaha me being lazy as f - I stayed with the CE and just updated that one continuously. As always, laziness wins the price AGAIN. I am happy with the CE as it is.

@theotherguy6155 11 месяцев назад

I just got my first ofsense up and running and honestly ifnyoubsaw the open wrt is not polished ... I can't imagine what it looks like cause I think pfsense interface is meh at best I mean I set a static route... removed it but it was still in the routing table. That's like a basic thing I should expect from a router. Notnhaving to reboot after changes