Adobe roofies all of their customers 

real

Soo true

Don't even pirate this garbage. Use better software.

​@@ProGentlemanis there anything better than substance painter ?

​@@ProGentlemanAfter using Sony Vegas, Final Cut and Adobe. Sad to say Adobe is the best one. But pirating is probably the best option at this point. Ain't got to agree to no bs terms then 😂

I love Adobe X - it was free then and never disappoints.

There's no reason to upgrade. Adobe figured out a long time ago there was nothing else they could add to their software to actually improve the quality of the images, all the file types and quality settings and lossless compression was already supported forever ago, so now all Adobe does is add gimmicks and bullshit to their software that you don't need.

I have a version from the late 90s and last I checked it still worked fine. Although, I stopped using it a long time ago and it resides on an ancient machine. Still have the discs and backups, too.

Its true, most of the old versions are good enough to most things.

I'm still rocking Adobe PS3 from 2007 😂

This is 100% what that is.

It's the hip thing to do, it seems.

I do not agree, they have to use excessive terms and conditions otherwise it would not be possible for their software to work as there are cloud functions (e.g they must get your data in order to do generative fill which I am using a lot). Other thing is machine learning part but you can opt out of this. Only negative thing is that content analysis is is turned on by default.

Adobe contant analysis FAQ: Let's say that you access Creative Cloud or Document Cloud via a personal account and prefer that Adobe doesn't analyze your content to develop and improve our products and services. In that case, you may turn off content analysis at any time from your Adobe account

opt out is highly important for me, because I scan confidential documents into document cloud

Yup, you’re OUR product!

And ironically, it's those of us who don't (have to) pay, who use open source software, who have the real ownership.

It was only a matter of time. The momentum didn't stop with simply monetizing your time for their profit, now we have to monetize our own time and effocts for their profit.

Now it's "If you aren't pirating, you're the product" There's some exceptions, CSP is still safe for example, but from any of the big companies... I remember the days when finding cracked versions of software was sketchy and risked getting malware snuck in; now you have to find the crack to get the malware removed from the official releases.

​@@kinezumicsp isn't safe

Well done I had the exact same thing happen on a mobile plan with Vodafone. As soon as I created a Complaint with the Telecons ombudsman of Australia they refunded me in 2 days

Fax, I had to cancel my shit one time and they made it complicated asf

Had a similar experience about 4 years ago, they ended up charging me a cancellation fee (2 months if I recall correctly?) instead of charging me the rest of the year. It was such a hassle to get it cancelled (and keep it cancelled) in the first place, I just took that L. Still feeling burned from that. Never going back to Adobe

Me too, deleted adobe having lost projects to them in the past.

Based

This! I hope they get sued.

I suspect the number of legal threats they get from professionals for potentially putting them in a position to get sued themselves by clients and collaborators will cause them to revert this or add the option to opt out.

@@Fatty420 I bet there will not be any legal threat to adobe... many people with NDAs have already accepted without even reading it

Making a thumbnail for a RU-vid video that’s under NDA, editing a video that has content that’s under NDA, viewing a PDF that’s under NDA… holy smokes

Let's see how that holds up in court.

Most people didn’t do that.

Same.

Me too.

Id expect the service to be FREE if they are gonna use MY DATA to harvest. Instead you are "allowed" to pay a subscription for this crap.

I'd expect to be paid too. But this ship sailed around 2010. Google was capturing WiFi hotspot SSIDs with their street view cars, to build up a way to determine location without GPS. Their cars ended up capturing a bit more than SSIDs, and they were hauled into court by the EU for it and fined (the DOJ fined them too after they began paying the EU fines). At the same time, Apple was trying to do the same thing to prep for their release of Apple Maps. But instead of sending their employees around the world to collect WiFi SSID info like Google did, they just changed the terms of service on the iPhone allowing them to download your location and WiFi history data. Basically, every iPhone owner gave up their privacy and worked for Apple (for free) to collect this info for them. The EU said nary a word about it. Sending the message that if you put in the work to do it yourself, you're liable and can be fined. But it's OK to just take (steal) this info from your customers.

@@xzst Imagine being an artist that invested in apple and adobe, and to this day, even in spite of this, defends them as the superior function/product. I shit you not they do this. Of course it is always the starving artist teenage 20 something loser that will never get anywhere. That's always the kind of person defending apple and adobe. Head in the clouds, doesn't learn a single fundamental. (Then wonders why people tell them their art sucks)

No compromises, no free software should do this.

Adobe is overestimating their relevance. There are a TON of alternatives that cost next to nothing, and offer almost the same quality as Adobe products. Of course, there's always the 🏴‍☠route.

Incompetence or greed?

@@AcornElectron both

They never had it. They've always been anti competition and are one of the main reasons why ms windows didn't go under when linux was clearly the better os choice for everything.

I mean, they steal your work already for years. It's by design. It's pure exploitation. People pay them to get their personal data ransacked.

You made this? I made this.

No, you can submit a GDPR data request. But yes, still unethical

@@LESLEYYY0 Only if you live in the EU. Anywhere else, you are fucked.

not basically. it is robbery. but it is legal unless challenged in court. who has 1 billion dollans?

@@LESLEYYY0 Unfortunately, only if you are in the EU. Also, what is it with YT deleting my comments?

It's called ransomware...

i'm sure everyone got forced into an arbitration agreement already

the TOS I'm sure already had a arbitration clause for some time now.

@@commonwealthcommunitywatch6036 i mean arbitration don't exist everywhere in the world we just need the EU to sue their asses into the ground

sign me up

@@HomeBurgerforced arbitration doesn’t really work, a lot of TOS that make companies sound invincible are just fear tactics

This is the thing I moan about to anyone who will listen. Expensive software is a joke until they sort this out.

It should be illegal to hold your property hostage from you. It should be illegal to deny someone use of something they've paid for because one party decided to change terms. It should be illegal to distort a product into a service when there is no need for it to be one. There is no reason for most of this software to require an internet connection to function. It's not a necessity of what's being offered, it's malicious and extortionate design.

@@seigeengine they can rebuttal that by saying, we want to make sure the programs we made are used with the correct intention. Hence updates, when you accepted the original terms and service it does state and always has that you agree to any changes made to the software. I agree with you but law is literally written by companies and their government cronies.

if anything, they should also pay for interest on the amount you paid.

@@Kronin-n6f No they can't. They have no right to moderate how their products are used.

I laugh at the binding arbitration clause on MANDATORY car insurance.

This is assuming those of us out there can PAY for court.

sure, but I may not have 1M$ to try and sue Adobe for 3-5years until they find a stupid crack in the law and make me loose

​@@3DEMS. The fact that Americans won't fix their court system is astounding to me, but this advice is not exclusive to the US, most developed countries have similar laws. And class action lawsuits exist as well. If you can't afford to fight them in court then they can do whatever they want to you at any time without your permission anyway, what you signed or didn't sign is irrelevant.

A contract can only be enforced in favor of corporations and not individuals, remember this.

Lobbying.

All bought off.

Land of the fee, home of the grave

Because the ones from 20 years ago are still in office and frequently senile. Mitch freezing for instance.

the US is a corporate communist. free money for large companies

"Access to free stuff for me, not for thee"

Adobe was always evil. I lived near cro of adobe branch in my country, he was perfectly representing adobe, huge dickwad, was driving ultra expensive cars some for 3m+ while laying minimal wage to regular workers. Eventually got arrested for tax evasion...

If my IP is yours to take as you please, then yours is mine to take as I please.

@@jer1776 yarr

All of capitalism is hypocrisy.

You spelled Amazon wrong.

Yes, of course, it will improve your drawer user experience. Can't wait 'till the mattress companies get on board :)

no thats not what this is. This is a IKEA Employee sitting in your room, waiting and looking directly at everything you put in the drawer, to copy and steal it.

No, they install camera in your drawer for marketing research to better understand what people like you put in drawers to design better drawers in the future.

@@OldBenOnengl I wouldn’t mind a smart mattress that recommends me to get a new one right before my back starts to go bad because the mattress is shot or one that goes: it appears you learned new skills and positions, the mattress you currently have is only giving you 60% of the pleasure you could have.

I hope their arrogance will land them in court

This was the first thing I thought of. Can't open PDFs on Acrobat if they have patient data now because they contain PHI.

They are also in violation of GDPR. Fines incoming.

This could be a massive issue. I can bring some perspective on the government side. I work at a VA hospital and the federal government has a massive contract to provide basic acrobat reader functionality to all of our computers. I think this kind of updates is why we often use older versions of the software, for example we are still running a 2023 version of Adobe acrobat. I am pretty sure they are not allowed to change the terms of service at any time like they do with private consumers because as per the contract they need to provide a certain version of their application. I imagine they would be extra careful with government agencies to avoid getting on their radar more than they need to. That being said, I am 99% sure they would try to pull this off with any private entity that doesn't have the power to push back.

Switch to open source alternatives. Blender, Gimp, Krita, LibreOffice..... they're the only ones that give true freedom with no strings attached.

This is where ESG is going. You'll own nothing, and be..... "happy".

These new terms grant them a perpetual, royalty-free license to everything you create using their software, including the right to "sublicense" (i.e. sell) it to others without paying you anything.

Wow… wouldn’t that be something!! I’ll make my calendar for that.

2070 paradigm shift, Adobe is "free to play" but artists must produce content for Adobe to cover the cost of software updates. Failure to meet your monthly monetization targets will "default" your subscription contract (now classed as a financial loan according to the IRS) and they repossess your home as collateral

That's what photobucket did once they held everyone's pictures for ransom.

​@@Animal_lives_matter Don't give them ideas please

I use GIMP

try krita it is better for painting

@@seanfaherty Gimp? Really now? You obviously have no idea about Photoshop and its functions. And no, I'm not in favor of Adobe's blackmail.

@@haraldschmidt8828 none whatsoever. If I want an image I draw or paint it then digitize. What I do works for me. I’m sure paying through the ass works for you. I did try that Krita for a bit. I prefer oils

@@haraldschmidt8828 Yeah, GIMP sucks so hard that I can't believe people still promote it. If you want drawing, you get Krita. If you want vectors you get Inkscape. But GIMP? This thing is like a monument to all of the issues with switching to open source.

If this is indeed serious, holy shit, no professional can touch adobe to work with anymore, wtf

Insane.

They couldn't possibly get away with that. Other Fortune 500 legal teams would throw a complete fit. Or at least they should.

So effectively, by using Adobe's software, your copyright kinda becomes void since they can reproduce it and probably pass it onto a generative AI model. And since AI generated works have been declared to not have copyright as far as I know, then yeah, you're also losing the right to defend your work from everyone.

damn, if adobe was bought out they'd own like half of the world's intellectual property since now.

What do you use now?

@Swenthorian I switched to Affinity. I've heard very good things about their creative software, and I like that it's not a subscription service. (Sorry that I just saw this, months later - I wasn't given a notification, for some reason.)

@Swenthorian It looks like my reply didn't actually tag you. So if you see this, but didn't see the other comment, both of my replies will show up if you go to the main comments of this video, click "Newest" (at the top), and then return to this thread.

@@LiveAndLetLive2024 Thanks! I hate RU-vid's automated censorship; it's such garbage.

@@LiveAndLetLive2024 Unfortunately, I don't see any comments there from you, either. :(

That's actually my biggest hope with this. Given some of the very large creative companies that I know use their products, this has to be a legal can of worms for Adobe just waiting to blow!

@@commentinglife6175 This won't happen with large companies, unless the large companies sign off on it. They are likely to make an exception to large companies, no?

@@Jon-d8j I'm betting you are correct, but we shall see. Can also hope those agreements leak so us plebes can see the crap that Adobe is claiming access to that they agree not to do for the big companies.

@@commentinglife6175 adobe intends that, they don't want their competitors to use photoshop

Security is a fucking joke. How many times you get letters this year telling you that there was a huuuuuuuuuge data breach about 3 years ago and they identified that your account has been affected? How many letters? I've gotten 12 for the year 2023 so far! Still getting 2023's letters in 2024! Security is an absolute *L I E.* What it really does is keep outside criminals from looking at what the internal criminals are stealing.

110% worth it. What's a few grand when the company is making millions of off predatory behavior.

A fitting description. It does feel like we're all being graped in the mouth.

Look, it's a loser grifter!

What is grapist?

@@wanderlust0120the “g” is silent - what word do you have now?

I'd also talk to a lawyer about it. In the U.S. a material change in the terms of a contract is usually a solid justification for termination, but I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what all is in Adobe's agreement.

There's a cancellation fee??????? I'm so glad I never payed for any Adobe products.

The fact there's even a fucking cancellation fee is wild.

Could also use a virtual credit card that links to your bank, and then just cancel that credit card.

I would just chargeback the fee.

Should be legislated ? I feel the Adobe ‘s of this world rely on only a tiny % of their users reading changes to the agreement

@@joeblue2492 This is litterly against the law in a lot of countries outside the US. Adobe will have to either end business in those countries or else be fined millions of dollars or undo this policy. Infact... they didn't announce this when you installed the program, therefore.... it's also against EU regulation.

Oh please, they didn't wait for this T&C to go out, they were probably already doing this for months, and are just now getting around to actually telling people.

@@jason2mate exactly. and that's why it was 'accept or else'. because the decision was taken (and acted upon) long ago.

@flalspspsl6858 "Creative Cloud" is not cloud based software, you still install the client on your pc.

“Now everyone paying is also the product.” Huh, I remember saying that exact thing and got downvoted into oblivion, in a privacy subreddit nonetheless. It would be insane to think that these for-profit, infinite growth chasing, privacy violating companies would not be tracking us just because we pay a few dollars a month a for a mere online service. Why would they pass that up? It’s free real estate.

@@WaylandGaming Your first mistake was using reddit.

Check the general terms section 4.2, you're allowing them to use your private data for any public purpose royalty-free: 4.2 Licences to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, licence, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform and translate the Content.

​@@rfitzgerald2004looking forward to people getting copyright claims levelled against their own artwork

@@rfitzgerald2004 Terms in Secton 69.420 All employees of Adobe must sexually service me on demand and are unable to refuse. Oh too late. Looks like everyone at Adobe is now under my binding Terms of Service they automatically opted into when I made a transaction with them! Haha!

HIPPA isn't a real thing. Let me explain. You see HIPPA compliance matters for you. A peon. Your boss. A peon. Your boss's boss. Ect.... All the way up to the real owners and leadership. Them? They trade secrets, drugs, children, data, any commodity that peons would get prison for. You need to understand. You have never and will never even meet the real power this world. They violate all laws, oaths, and promises as a matter of fact.

Lookup BAA for HIPAA compliance.. You'll get your answer

Hospitals won't be using Adobe products to store their images in the cloud, that's already in law.

@@MicahBBurke And who is enforcing that law? *There is no rule of law in America, and you seem to not realize this yet. Yet...*

@@Moe_Posting_Chad I have experience regarding that; hospitals and other health care providers _absolutely_ use encryption tools that are HIPAA-compliant. They have much to lose.

Thanks for the clue! I started using Photoshop 4 and went through a lot of "upgrades" to Photoshop CS4, which Adobe doesn't bother supporting. Ripoff merchants. I paid a lot for these versions, I wish I had've used the pirated ones instead.

"Take off your fucking cape and mask you anti-consumer clown" - Louis

“I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further!”

At least Vader is cool while saying it. Adobe is just a shit company full of greedy suits.

Nice

@@Real_MisterSir They are owners of Sith Corp. And sith is an anagram for shit.

Thousand of people agree to new terms like this all the time without even thinking about the implications. And for those who do think about it, they click anyway because they need to get their work done. It's already normalized.

I believe the World Economic Forum also said this, I think they carry a bit more weight than UbiSoft, and it's true. If you miss payments on your Tesla, they can disable your car. If your iPhone breaks, you have to get Apple to fix it. I remember having to pay $750+ because my iPhone 7+ stopped working in 2019 and they said it had 'water damage', even though it's never been splashed, let alone gone swimming, so the only option was to buy a replacement phone of the same model. If I wanted the latest model, I had to pay even more. And what choice did I have, really? I could have said F-it, I'm just gonna buy a new Android at that price, but then I'd lose all my data. You pay these companies so much money and they still own you, years later.

@@pvanukoff, In a way, yes that is somewhat true. But that's why piracy, safe piracy (programs with no added malware), is more important than ever. The only way to take back ownership of programs, is to pirate a copy. Remember what Gabe Newell said: "Piracy is a result of bad service on the part of game companies." Well that can apply to any software on the net as well. Bad service = More pirates = Taking back private ownership = Less corporate revenue = Possible better service

proper response to this, is to say "then I will buy nothing, and I will love it". companies have made their crap so impractical to own that nowadays the only logical move is to gtfo and take ur money somewhere else.

@@mandzph, The only problem with that, is that every company is doing this. So there's really no where else to go. You buy from X crappy company, Y crappy company, or Z crappy company, and they are all doing the same exact thing. To buy nothing, leaves you in the same position, as buying something and still owning nothing. There is one hell of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' game going on here.

Nope! IT IS WORSE! It is down the 1's and 0's COPY. Heck you might aswell call it a clean 100% theift. Only that data is duplicatable without any negative effets on the origian. Or ones called 'masters' yet now we are not allowed to call things master. It is techinclly wrong anyways in the modern digtial world. So really seems like 100% fine to copy and use as we please software too? Seems like a fair deal. No licenses or anything. Comply Adoble with our new terms and conditions. Oh? Yea that is right. You have no options here. We are leaving! I mean good girl Adoble! A theif that leaves you with a intact copy of what they stole? No randomsware or anything? I mean the program basicly is a tojan horse to being with... So I mean maybe the good boy Adoble is simply having the restrain to only inflict a single majort offence at a time. It would be funny how terms like master copies are not allowed anymore. When we are treated as if Adoble and the likes are our masters.

A Chinese / CCP tour group.

happy

Same.

Yeah, people that pirate Adobe have problems with russian botnets instead. Or more precisely, they become a part of one.

Or people like me, who, don't use Adobe products anyway. I don't even use their PDF viewer, Firefox will load PDFs right in the browser, that's good enough for me.

I have a theory that Adobe was happy to allow piracy for many years so they became the default software for most creatives, and now we’re trapped with subscriptions forever and this cloud crap, and it’d be a big effort to avoid their software if you’re a professional

@@x_ph1l Cool story bro, maybe try not to download stuff off suspicious websites that literally say "freesoftware" in the domain, just saying.

Yeah, as a hobbyist you can do that, not as a professional.

The EU is too incompetent to consistently enforce anything they did that is good. The only thing we are left with are those EFFING COOKIE DIALOGS ON EVERY FFING WEBSITE WE VISIT. That kind of BS the EU can do.

I should really move to the eu….

Yea this gonna be an utter shitshow here in EU. However, I'm probably still gonna pirate it at the end of the year since they also decided to arbitrarily up their license prices out of nowhere.. Fuck that. Adobe can go suck a dick and I'll gladly inform my clients that I'm pirating the software I use in my design services.. As if Adobe is gonna even dare think the thought of spying on this stuff.

Funny that you mention that. I'm in the EU and it seems there is still no recent ToS update. Last one I have is from February, just checked.

Well, if you're paying for a pdf reader subscription then that's what you deserve.

Let me add. It's for adobe acrobat. They laude the importance of the subscription even though it's benign.

There are safe open source free solutions.

Ditch Adobe View and get Sumatra PDF and/or PDFXEdit (free and superior)

@@timothytorres26 Abode Acrobat is just one giant BLOATass

I certainly hope so

​@@pete5405haha sure 🐈

GOOD!

Only sharks in suits benefit from class action suits.

You will not own yourself or your happiness and you will be h̶a̶p̶p̶y̶ .

correction, you will be "happy".

Thought it was bad enough that meta was taking our finished work. Fucking hate this new world

Not a surprise at this point. The current youtube's word censor is reaching 1984 version, while only their endorsed youtubers (preferably female) are safe in their platform after committing illegal acts.

That is why they moved to Software As A Service (SAAS). Better is to use Free/Libre software that does not bull this bull-crap.

@@jamesphillips2285 I don't care about Linux. Too much feature creep. Bloat. Autistic UX design. No thanks. I value my time. I'll just pirate the software. Malware is not actually very common in piracy at all. Some of you are way too paranoid. Some of you suffer dunning kruger. You run a VM just so you can always spin it back up from a backup. Not because you forgot to run your malware in a sandbox environment!

Oh. No. You see. Think of all the third parties that will over the course of the rest of time, access your data. How many criminals are lined up around Adobe's points of access, just sniffing for the next big venerability? This is a racket. We don't live in a just society and the State does nothing but rob us! The whole point is for Adobe to streamline their ability to rob you and forward that data to the government and its "NGO" shell companies. The whole point is to monitor every moment of every man woman and child's life. This is just one grain of sand towards that desert of freedom.

I mean I guess if someone's dumb enough to use use cloud to store their files then yeah that's happening to you.

@@vizulefllry don't blame the consumer. the soda companies did this shit in the 1970s to introduce plastic bottles and fuck over the enviornment. all it ends up as is worse for us.

@@vizulefllry This isn't only happening to cloud-based files. It's happening to locally stored files too, because the Adobe suite of software access those files while connected to an online registry server- which is the entire reason they're able to do this shit in the first place. Before now, the files would still be yours because there wasn't any system integrated to actively scan whatever the Adobe software have access to while open. But now they have access to it all locally too, not just in the cloud based storage..

@@Real_MisterSir Do you have a source for me where this is confirmed? Because this will be a major problem where I work :(

The man also loves that one south park bit.

​@@RickR69You mean Adobe. If I was the kind of guy behind those mandates I'd absolutely do that too

tThat's what it really is. They're fully and nonconsenually invading and violating their users privacy and work rights. There's no option to opt out this and keep your work, and no way to not conest and take your work else where.

@@user-eh4kh3ye5o I disagree. It's a fairly big stretch. Not wrong, just so far a reach my arms wouldn't make it. What it is is ransomware. If you want to be more vivid, call it a hostage negotiation. You've paid them, and now they're holding your property hostage to extort you into new terms.

@@seigeengine I think a big reason Louis uses this type of verbage is because companies that are against right to repair use it against people like Louis. See that advert about how right to repair enables Sexual Assault, basically calling everyone who wants R2R a rapist etc

And perfect awareness leads to perfect preparedness.

That's really cool and all. I'm just waiting to get some *red stained Level 3 Blue helmets!* If you get my drift. Level 3 < 5.56 NATO.

Is that a Golden Years reference??

Actually in the late 90's something like a modern smartphone isn't so outlandish, the tech actually does exist. It hasn't reached consumer market price points or become nearly as versatile as modern ones but still the actual device is an evolution of things like PalmPilots. So perhaps for once the Politician was actually reading the tealeaves and seeing the way the personal electronics explosion was moving - not actually a hard prediction to make by the late 90's. Also these days its not the governments wanting to monitor you that is the problem, its all the companies that can EULA roofie you without any oversight or limitations at all, and quite possibly ignore whatever legal safeguard you would have by operating out of some other nation where the rules are different. Plus as the politician is usually an idiot or at the very least uneducated on every subject they have to work with, which is really fair enough they are generalists. They have to be part of the debates on every aspect of every element of governance and nobody could be a real expert at it all. So hopefully they find and then listen to a collection of experts who can do the "Idiots guide to __" and then debate on how each bit fits into the grander picture. However usually their only real interest is sounding/looking like they are 'tackling the problem' but not having to do anything and finding some nice super well paid job to retire into...

@@foldionepapyrus3441 All of that EULA roofie stops when you stop their hearts. Violence works. And that's why they try so hard to convince us the public that violence is a no go.

I know for sure as an independent artist, I sure am.

Yeah i can imagine.

While, by no means, is this reasonable. To some degree Adobe users shouldn't be surprised. You store your data in Adobe's cloud, they have full control over you. I lived through the personal computer revolution. The promise was that you'd have your very own computer on everyone's desk. Why does everyone keep wanting to use Adobe's computers?

The same clause has existed for 11 years. They should've probably shat their pants for a long time now.

What linux program will do the job that photoshop does? I'd like to switch too.

there's this quote that's been floating around: "If purchase isn't ownership, then piracy isn't theft"

@@swolfington Whether a product is offered as a service or an individual item to own makes no difference though, if you are still receiving something for nothing. Similar to getting free netflix, a free hotel or anything else. As for adobe being in charge of everything you do or create, that's a matter of reading all that small print first before eventually deciding to decline to use such an unfair service. If adobe doesn't mention that it will use your data with permission though, only then there is then a good argument for using it's service without permission

microsoft is atualy one that apprently started piracy, in 1980s they would steal code from developers and sell it as there own!, THAT is the software piracy that is WRONG but THEY do it, i guess its no diffrent from money counterfeeitting, if you do it your considered "evil criminal scumbag" but if your in the rothschilds famly then its A-OK!

I learned the hard way that any software that saves its data into proprietary format that cannot be opened by another 3rd party software is randsomware.

If only we could have cameras in the back rooms where congress makes deals with each other.

Yup, that was my first thought. Adobe reading contracts between companies and federal agencies? That cannot be legal.

Stern words only? Bruh...

The hard part is finding a legal team with the ability to take on a company like Adobe, I'm sure many have tried, but it'll be the case of he who has the most money to throw at it wins no doubt

They have become a huge liability if your customers want to keep all their stuff 100% private, and you even had to sign an NDA.

​@@rfitzgerald2004 All I can say is EU. The day someone gets it to EU courts, Adobe will quite quickly change their minds. Microsoft and Facebook quickly figured that out - their available options was to lose with a big loss. Or keep fighting and end up with a huge loss. Every single photo can contain GDRP information. Unwarranted access to that information is a bohoo. And Adobe needs to analyse to know. But if they analyse then they have already broken GDPR because they have no valid reason to need to know. It's one thing to store a customers data in the cloud. It's a completely different matter to access the content. Backup processes does not need to analyse the content of images...

I don't understand how anyone does not see cloud as a scam.

That's when I made my switch to GIMP and INKSCAPE and never looked back. It's rare I can't accomplish the exact same end results. The road getting there is just a little different.

That doesn't even make sense. You don't need "the cloud" to be able to update software.

"for cheaper" - only in the short term. Bought CS4 in 2010. If I'd paid a monthly fee for the last 14 years I'd have paid more than 10x the price. Rarely does the average person need to buy the the new suite every few years

Yeah this clause has existed for over a decade.

@@TunaIRL I stopped work at that studio 15 years ago... So I missed that... geez these people... I haven't used Adobe for that long.. I did one or 2 years of subscription, when it became a thing, because my boss payed for it... But when my boss died and his studio with him... I went on to do other things I work in events now as an AV tech.. And if I do video-editing (if I have to make something for a videowall for a dj or something corporate or whatever.. I will make my own, toss them into Resolume and have fun with them) for myself I use a combination of Da Vinci Resolve and blender (blender for compositing and 2d animation like I would do in After Effects).. I haven't looked back in regret once... It took a bit of getting used to though.. The thing is you're not going to have that option working in the industry because everything you get will be made with the last version of Adobe... There is a reason Adobe became the industry standard, because it used to be really good, everything nicely integrated... Seamless workflow between programs... It was a good package, only right now they are abusing their status... And it's frankly sickening.. But if you look around, I'm sure the industry could land on a new standard... If they wanted to...

@@jazzdirt I'm pretty worried about the fact that no one actually researched what actually happened. This also means no one is talking about the actual problem here. Which is simply the complexity of legal language to laymen. Adobe isn't doing anything weird or shady, they have to ask for these licences for legal reasons. Even RU-vid owns a licence to Lous' video here and can do anything they want with it according to people's interpretation of the TOS. In truth there is nothing malicious going on, the legalese is simply complex and requires thorough reading and understanding. People love to have an enemy to fight against and right now it's Adobe. This means people have an incredibly biased view of what they do and are willing to misinterpret and even lie about what's happening to progress their own agenda. I really don't support this form of pushing fixes to issues, but it is what the masses have decided to do most of the time.

@@TunaIRL I've seen this normalized in my lifetime... It's not... normal. The legalese exists to make sure there's absolutely no one reading the TOS anymore.. except for those persistent mfs that should have become lawyers... So 99% of people won't know what's in paragraph 6 on page 57 of the EULA or TOS.. And they are using that to slowly take every bit of ownership.. So basically making a profit by selling you absolutely NOTHING.. fried air... You get to use their service, until they decide you can't. For whatever arbitrary reason they can come up with.. In case of Adobe probably preventing you from using your actual years of work... Adobe literally can take your life's work hostage at a whim. Which is an F-ed up situation in any way you look at it.. except for the folks where the money flows to... They have a pretty rosy perspective on the whole thing, cushioned and protected by the legal maze they set up for you (You want to sue over this.. yeah, you can't, because we snuck in forced arbitration in the EULA last year already, so you can talk to the hand because DoJ is not listening)... They have gotten so big that they don't have to care about the user experience any longer.. They've made it.. Now they can just think about how to squeeze as much out of this "thing" as they can.. And if a lot people start to leave, they say sorry once, and just continue down the path... When I grew up manuals contained schematics, and tips and tricks for maintenance for the longevity of your product.. Now it's filled with legalese, bordering and curbing liability and helpful tips such as: Don't put the hamster in the device... Do not eat the silica or batteries... Product ownership has become a caricature of itself.. This is not normal... It's also not just one enemy, the enemy is the current "trend".. The direction things are moving in... Adobe being messed up like that is a symptom of a bigger ailment... It's also not just Adobe.. It's everywhere.. hence "trend".. The world is moving in a direction driven by capitalism and greed, that we don't want to move in... It wasn't always like this.. and this is NOT normal. There was a time when companies actually took pride in delivering to you a "grade A" device, that would last you a lifetime.. As a show of competence. (There are 200 year old watches that still run today, because the maker took pride in his work). Because your quality was your reputation. This was before companies got so big, they could afford to "not care"... This is not good for the environment, because of planned obsolescence creating a huge pile of garbage.. And we are depleting our resources doing this... This is not good for consumers... Because profits must grow is the rule, rather than profit being based on the quality of the actual product... Everything will keep inflating until it bursts... And eventually it's not good for the economy either... The short term thinking is leading to a point where the economy just wont recover anymore... Because the waste of resources is also economically not viable or sustainable in the long run... This way of living is costing us way more than the short term gains we (well at least some of us) are winning from it... But some people just think about themselves and if short term gains mean you can live well, while after you the world, will be on fire they don't care.. It doesn't affect them...

@@jazzdirt The legalese makes sure it's legally sound, not to deter people from reading it. More modern TOS have both kinds of language. Obviously the legalese wouldn't be needed if it was there for no reason. Again, people are simply not understanding what the core issue is and are making claims they don't have much knowledge about. Also the legalese isn't even that complex to read, it just requires some thought. Which seems to be past most people nowadays. Everything needs to be served in bite sized chunks for people to be able to read through them.

Let 'em learn the hard way. That's how most people today have to learn things.

"We need to give money to pieces of software, that treat people like human beings" While Serif (company behind Affinity) just made a -50% sale on their perpetual licenses, and I'm glad I could support them.

Switched years ago. Couldn't be happier with the suite, _especially_ since v2. Don't you know thousands are buying right now. 💪🏽

Agreed. Affinity is great. There are some missing things that would be nice, but I'm sure they'll add them in future. We all have to start somewhere - even Photoshop wasn't a complete package when it first came out. Affinity also listen to their customers and fix reported bugs promptly. I have an old version of CS5 but after I tried Affinity I stopped using PS as it's become far too old and, because I refused to go to the software as a service model that Adobe came out with, I'll never see any updates.

Btw affinity also reserves the right to take your licence to the software at any time. You don't own it either.

@@TunaIRL As long as the whole application is in your computer, and it lets you save your stuff in a local library on your HDD, you can overcome these "nuisances" in case they go Adobe route. With Adobe isn't true anymore as it now works like an online game, with parts of the executable only existing in cloud and encrypted in your RAM. And it used the cloud to save your stuff. That said... Run away as soon as your EULA gets changed to "Cloud only" software.

I think you can get around it by rotating using the "sign" the document section.

Imagine charging money for a pdf editor. They charge money for the fucking viewers now too!

@@Moe_Posting_Chad Yeah it's crazy but a lot of software is locking down features that were previously free and now want money for them. Partition management software is another example, you have to pay to migrate your OS pretty much in any software now. The only other solution is to do it manually via command prompt but most people aren't savvy enough for that.

They have buried the rotate function in the view menu, but the fact that they did that and tried to charge for something so elementary is why I got rid of Adobe Reader and replaced it with the much faster and free SumatraPDF.

@@giglioflex Right.... So entrepreneurs created a product, that migrates an OS more easily than via command promt. And they want money for the product... You can still open a youtube video and do it by command prompt. ... Just use free software?

I wish they'd simplify Gimp or make it more intuitive. I cannot find my around around that mess of a program. It takes me oodles of clicks and steps just to save a file, and not 1 step is intuitive.

Try out the Affinity suite. Beautiful, logical interfaces that work seamlessly together. I dumped Adobe almost a decade ago.

​@@jameseverett9037 That I can concede to that. There's a couple that seems better than GIMP after trying out Krita + dartable combo.

There is software such as nightshade and others that poison AI by tricking it in to seeing content as something else (This could potentially lead to AI Halucinations) making the AI unreliable. Highly recommend, especially on Adobe.

@@FoolShortOG Interesting. Essentially a hack in AI terms if that dataset is truly ruining the quality of future output. I dislike that so many once creative art pages online are now overflowing with AI material. At this time at least, it's often still relatively easy to work out what is AI and what isn't

@@FoolShortOG I wouldn't recommend using nightshade, glaze or other adversarial techniques. If you are using illustrator and saving it on the cloud, they will be able to access the image pre-nightshade, and uploading the modified version just gives them a labelled example they could use to train a model to detect or remove the 'poison'. It's also very noticeable and not great visually. But, if you are posting to social media then it might be a sensible option if you think it's not distorting the image too much, because they have basically identical licenses (to my knowledge, I'm not a lawyer lol). What I do recommend is going in to your adobe account privacy settings and turning off "allow my content to be analyzed by Adobe", and even better: don't use Adobe software, or at the very least avoid their cloud service. If you need to accept the new terms in order to change your account settings, I'd say it's probably worth doing so in order to prevent your data being used for future training sets- they have been saying they use cloud data to train AI since at least 2016, so walking away without changing that setting doesn't stop them using your data that was already licensed to them. TL;DR: they have your gold. don't give them a locked box full of more gold, just accept their pinky promise with the privacy setting if you haven't, then walk away.

AI art that's been poisoned with Nightshade or Glaze.

Oh, and a little update for the curious, a half day prior to my cancellation of their subscription (exactly in the morning), I find out Adobe charged my paypal $200 with no explanation, no notice, and no recourse. Unethical? No. Fraud? Yes. Am I shocked? No. Am I pissed off irate? Fuck yes! We've reached the zenith of fuckness on every level and half the world is none the wiser. Scared straight.

Krita is very good, I switched to it years ago. Unfortunately it still lacks working snaps functionality and channel editing tools. But it's still was worth the switch for me.

@@SergTTL That it does. Still, we have to get involved somehow so that we could give these tools a chance to mature and help bridge the gap for other users who just want things to work without a million steps.

@@di4352 yes I fully agree

I still have Photoshop 7.0. It's about twenty years old. But this bullshit is yet another reason why I'm learning CSP instead.

@@Shenorai Got both, because there's some plugins that hate CS6. And it's 7.01 actually, not that the update had that much in it. Ah, the days of software that was stable enough when it shipped...

They've killed the auth servers for CS 3 and 4, effectively making it impossible to reinstall the software. It probably be long before 5 and 6 meet the same fate.

@@swolfington Mine's been running on a VM for years, there won't ever be a reinstall ;) Trading 16GB for "no re-install ever, system backup is 'copy the files' " is a no brainer. One VM has PS7+Corel12, one has PS CS6 +Corelx16,etc... drive space is cheap, time isn't. ( VMWare Workstation is free now, shameless plug for my fave hupervisor :D )

@@swolfington CS2 was legally "free" I think even now

Imagine actually making your software such a complete package that people would willingly pay full price for it! But zoinks, if we did that, people would only have to give us money once! The investors wouldn't like the way that looks on the graph'

You mean the free pdf reader that doesn't let you use it without an account on some devices

Yeah, I tried their new "Acrobat reader" and after few days I replaced that slow shit with older "Adobe reader XI", much better. And for editing PDFs I use Acrobat Pro Extended 9.

Yeah, the other day I was trying to print a PDF from a computer at my university's library. Library computer tries to open it in Acrobat, Acrobat wants me to sign in. If I don't sign in, it closes the whole program. I don't have an account to sign in with, so I can't even print it. Had to work around by opening it a web browser instead. I don't know if this is because the university got fed up with them and stopped paying license fees at some point, or if they were doing this despite the university paying license fees, but either way, not a pleasant experience.

​@rossjennings4755 that's a huge university problem. They have campus wide licensing. HONESTLY you need to file tituion money back for limiting your class or project work to succeed.

@@rossjennings4755 Yeah happened to me as well. it's complete and utter bullshit. I use browser extensions to view pdfs now. Adobe suck the big one. Fortunately plenty of superb alternatives to all their products are around now.

Yup, and it's by a giant sharp A..that's gonna hurt in the morning..

I knew I felt something back there

Some people woke up with dirty hands and knees and a used prophylactic hanging out of their balloon knot.

@@marcodarko6941 "Balloon knot" 😂😂

Uhm you might want to look into other programs like affinity. Adobe is raising their monthly subscription prices on July 24th!! So that price you right now on their site is not current till they roll out their new pricing on July 24th!

To late! Already hacked...

He knows how to use Linux ...

I wanted to save up to buy Adobe as i was using CS6 cracked, but when they went cloud with subscription models I immediately opted for the alternatives, which in turn also made it easier to switch to Linux about a year ago as I wasn't reliant on apps that didn't support Linux

How much productive you are .. gimp vs photoshop

@@GreenDriveIndia Since he can still work even during a DOS attack, I would say more productive.

@@robertsmith2956 I meant offline cs6 vs gimp. I am also using gimp

Good that you are using GIMP Btw CS6 runs well in WINE

Outdated??? Some of us out here still using CS4. (switching to CSP currently)

Actually I'd call it more one of those "piracy is a moral obligation" moments at this point

I run it on a VM. It's slow as balls, but it's quite easy to keep the Adobe suite disconnected from the internet.

Privateer CS6 instead

@@iloveanimemidriff That's not a solution. That's a workaround hotfix for a shittly cracked piece of software. Why do all of that when you can use literally anything else? *Don't tell me about stupid brushes you use as a crutch for your lack of fundies.*

I run Adobe courtesy of the high seas and that machine never goes online. This has been the standard for well over ten years now. Thankfully I'm transitioning to Resolve and would gladly give them my money instead

@@Moe_Posting_Chad all the last times I've used Photoshop it has been for doing shit I need to get done more quickly than a designer diva that takes his sweet time doing a very shitty "masterpiece", so I got no time to properly set up firewalls and shit. Throwing it into a VM solves the problem in 15 minutes or so.