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In this jam-packed episode of Motion Mondays, we dive into the controversy surrounding Adobe's terms of service, explore the rapid growth of Cara, the AI-free artist platform, and discover how Maxon Studio might revolutionize your After Effects workflow.
Check out the corresponding blog post here: www.schoolofmotion.com/blog/m...
👉 CHAPTERS 👈
Intro 00:00
Kyle Webster’s Adobe Departure 00:19
Adobe’s Terms of Service Turmoil 01:22
Lottie Creator 02:56
School of Motion Student Spotlight 03:39
After Effects + Gaussian Splats 04:20
AEScripts Summer Sale 05:16
VUCKO’s Reel Rocks 05:55
Cara 06:52
Google Trends 08:00
School of Motion Summer Registration 08:32
Web Animation Inspiration 09:26
Must Follow Artist 10:39
MOHO Magic 11:24
Dribbble Goes Free 12:05
Roger’s Nickelodeon Rebrand 12:47
Descript’s AI-Powered Editing 14:04
Maxon Studio 14:50
🎓 SCHOOL OF MOTION COURSES MENTIONED
Expression Session - som.bz/es
Illustration for Motion - som.bz/ifm
🗒️ SHOW NOTES
The Bob Ross of Adobe - accidental-expert.com/p/the-b...
People Aren't Happy With Adobe's Spyware-Like Terms of Service Update - 80.lv/articles/people-aren-t-...
Scott Belsky - x.com/scottbelsky/status/1798...
Seah Jiexin - seahjiexin.wixsite.com/portfolio
Lottie Creator - lottiefiles.com/lottie-creator
Lottie Creator: A powerful web-based Lottie animation tool - • Lottie Creator: A powe...
#4 Understanding the layer system | Lottie Creator - • #4 Understanding the l...
@atgorans_k Gaussian Splats - x.com/atgorans_k/status/17987...
Polycam - poly.cam/explore
Why THIS is the Future of Imagery (and Nobody Knows it Yet) - • Why THIS is the Future...
Vucko - vucko.co/
Cara - cara.app/explore
Robbie Trevino Regarding Cara - x.com/RobbieSTrevino/status/1...
Cara, the AI-Skeptical Artist Portfolio App, Skyrockets to Hundreds of Thousands of Users by Colossal - www.thisiscolossal.com/2024/0...
Google Trends Motion Design - [trends.google.com/trends/expl... Design,Motion Graphics&hl=en](trends.google.com/trends/expl...)
Google Trends MoGraph - trends.google.com/trends/expl...
OpenPBR Surface V1.0: A major step forward for digital materials - blog.adobe.com/en/publish/202...
Runway - runway.com/
GSAP - gsap.com/
Emonee LaRussa Billie Eilish Music Video - x.com/Em0n33y/status/17983922...
Emonee LaRussa Website-emoneelarussa.com/
Jumpstart Designers-www.jumpstartdesigners.com/
Creating Dynamic Light Patterns with Animated Gobos in UE5 - • Creating Dynamic Light...
Moho Animation Software Scavenger Reign Breakdown - x.com/mohoanimation/status/17...
Aescripts & Aeplugins Summer Sale - aescripts.com/learn/summer-of...
Roger Studio Nickelodeon Global Rebrand-www.roger.tv/project/nickelod...
Nickelodeon Rebrand Breakdown on Motionographer-motionographer.com/2024/02/27...
Autopod-www.autopod.fm/
Descript Underlord-www.descript.com/underlord
Maxon Studio-www.maxon.net/en/red-giant/ma...
Group X - Schfiftyfive - • Group X - Schfiftyfive
Motion Array- motionarray.com/
AE Juice - aejuice.com/?ref=VPNIoT&gad_s...

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@DeanRockne
@DeanRockne 16 дней назад
I think Adobe has demonstrated they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. If they want to assure their users that this license won't be used to train their AI or license their data to other AI companies, they can put that into their TOS in an enforceable manner. Saying trust us bro in a blog post is worth nothing.
@modelenginerding6996
@modelenginerding6996 16 дней назад
Yup, Microsoft is also desperate for farming AI content. The internet is full of garbage info and farming data from businesses and personal accounts that are of value is the next mining grab.
@solarydays
@solarydays 16 дней назад
as if there was a reason for adobe to get into beef with a lot of companies by using their trademarked content for AI when they already have a large database they own license for. you are kind of detached from reality
@designobservatory
@designobservatory 16 дней назад
Exactly. What the guy in this video says is simply false. I suppose he is too close to Adobe to admit that you do indeed give Adobe full rights for your work. That is the contract. They can sweet talk around it, but the facts tell something different. And with all the abuse we already know from Adobe you can be sure they will use their rights whenever and however they want.
@lynmeredith8405
@lynmeredith8405 16 дней назад
Agree!
@DerCribben
@DerCribben 15 дней назад
@@designobservatory 100% To begin with, this whole video came off as a series of advertisements as far as I could tell. But in regards to Adobe, it's great that a bunch of people that work for Adobe post on their social media profiles (that usually say "my views are my own"...yadda yadda) to say "just trust us guys, we won't do anything shady, we promise", but for me if Adobe wants us to trust them they should put what it won't be used for in its TOS rather putting out a statement saying they wont do anything untrustworthy while having a EULA that completely maintains their right to do all of those things.
@zeastburg
@zeastburg 16 дней назад
Scott Belsky from Adobe says one thing, but the TOS says another. The terms are written so broadly they could just train another AI not called “firefly” and it’d be within their rights to use customer data. “But why risk such a hostile move toward their own customers?” Offering AI to their own customers is a hostile move to begin with, I have no barometer for how far they’ll go now. Reddit rugpulled us last month, META is rugpulling us this month. Windows 11 soon. All software that touches the internet is just one update away from taking your data.
@markborok4481
@markborok4481 16 дней назад
If the data doesn't belong to you to begin with (if your client owns all rights to it), then it doesn't matter what the TOS says. You can't give away something that isn't yours.
@zeastburg
@zeastburg 15 дней назад
@@markborok4481 The point is technicalities like that don’t matter when training a AI model is extremely opaque to the end user. Every piece of text, image, and audio can be stolen and used to train a model without definitively knowing it was used. Every time you use generative fill, the entire canvas is sent to Adobe servers. Any file in any cloud storage is vulnerable. Even if the company says Trust Us, even if theres an “opt out” option, we have 20yrs of caselaw showing tech companies don’t care. Every tech company has a history of abusing their position and just paying the fine later. A class action lawsuit is just the cost of doing biz. If your files touch the internet, look for encrypted options and hope it works. Previously you only had to worry about 3rd party theft of your published content being stolen to train a model. Now you have to worry about the platform you use (adobe, IG, windows) stealing your private content to train their models. It’s absurd, and by the time laws are made against this it will be too late.
@frapino
@frapino 16 дней назад
It's time for Adobe alternatives to step up, i think every single designer is truly tired of Adobes greeed and constant bs. Time to dismantle Adobes monopoly on graphic design.
@royboyshaw3332
@royboyshaw3332 16 дней назад
The price incentive is there. The thing the alternatives should work on is integration to become real competitors. Illustrator to AE is easy. I don't know if there's another pipeline like it.
@virtualfilmer
@virtualfilmer 16 дней назад
I completely disagree - if you read the ToS, it plainly says a range of things. There’s plenty of stuff in there that make working under NDA impossible. The blog is not binding, neither is “context” by Adobe via Twitter etc. The ToS are binding, as written.
@designobservatory
@designobservatory 16 дней назад
exactly
@lynmeredith8405
@lynmeredith8405 16 дней назад
Exactly
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Their disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@RyanSiemers
@RyanSiemers 15 дней назад
How interesting that a podcast that relies on selling their education for Adobe products is downplaying the TOS controversy. Completely ignores the fact that Adobe could describe exactly HOW they intend to use the files the user is granting Adobe a license for.
@nickjohansen9038
@nickjohansen9038 16 дней назад
Do you believe adobe's BS because you don't understand legalese? Their explanation is a lie because it isn't a legal agreement, the TOS is. Loving Affinity and Davinci now.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Adobe disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@royboyshaw3332
@royboyshaw3332 16 дней назад
I disagree with Joey's take on terms and services. Its a fire if they don't refine the language. The TOS are too broad.
@chrischiles6263
@chrischiles6263 16 дней назад
Yea "All smoke and no fire". Dude is the living embodiment of that "This is fine" meme.
@royboyshaw3332
@royboyshaw3332 16 дней назад
@@chrischiles6263 Haha, basically. Don't worry guys, it's just Adobe suffocating the industry.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Their disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@howevisual7099
@howevisual7099 16 дней назад
I always try to err on the side of skepticism and clarification but with Adobe's recent behavior (price hikes pretty directly correlated with AI features many users may not want for instance) paired with the broad language (always a red flag) used in the TOS update that was shared, I think everyone is right to be questioning Adobe. As someone in an industry filled with contracting, reading the legal language is key. I can appreciate the clarification brought by Adobe but would encourage SOM to not brush off this sort of thing--sure some people can blow things out of proportion but this was an absolute red flag based on the broad language Adobe presented.
@CammieRacing
@CammieRacing 11 дней назад
It feels like SoM completely downplayed the danger posed by these TOS which can be changed at any time with no ability to opt out/decline or even uninstall the software/access work until you agree
@DeepEndDive
@DeepEndDive 16 дней назад
"common practice" is not an excuse.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@misakianimated
@misakianimated 16 дней назад
Whoa... did you actually read the second part? that we give Adobe perpertual licenses to whatever it is that we have? they discarded this with a blog-post... a blog post is not a legal document, until they clearly state what they said in their blog post unto their license... Adobe is gonna do it, you and I know it, and this is the end game of monopolies. I am stepping away, this is the last straw for me.
@ZeeBraam
@ZeeBraam 16 дней назад
I think they have already done it. This is their way to cover their ass.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
This guy defends Adobe then advertises AI products. The indirect way to admit, Adobe is indeed use this new ToS to feed customer's content to train their AI.
@leesmalt8594
@leesmalt8594 16 дней назад
My aversion to Adobe started long before Feb's TOS changes. I think that reading between the lines of user feedback, we can see that the outrage is not at Adobe currently scraping user's content to train AI, but instead about the legal framework to do so in the future without repercussions. We have seen Adobe over and over put profits over the user base, ignore feedback from the community about basic features and UX, and increasingly subject users to pay models that are unsustainable for artists. We aren't incised over the current act of training AI, but instead a pattern of abuse from a company that forces creatives into terms that victimize the end-users, and ultimately will train their AI models on customer's work. We used to call that spyware. Now it's "standard practices for cloud-based businesses". We already suspect that firefly was built on pre-2024 Photoshop TOS that quietly opted-in PS users to allow Adobe to train their AI models on user images. I'm not even against AI- but I am against sketchy TOS that force users into difficult moral situations that they have little influence over.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@bradnaugle1025
@bradnaugle1025 16 дней назад
New part of my Monday morning ritual - Feels honest to goodness informative and has been for the past three weeks I've tuned in. Keep it up SOM team, great stuff.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Their disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@coinopanimator
@coinopanimator 16 дней назад
Unless it's in the terms of service then you can't trust Adobe.
@user-ib9ky2jo9h
@user-ib9ky2jo9h 16 дней назад
Time to Nightshade the s.hit out of every AI art program
@bubbajones5905
@bubbajones5905 16 дней назад
I see where Affinity Photo is on sale for half price.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Their disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@herrDOS
@herrDOS 16 дней назад
I cannot understand why Adobe would risk that much for an unclear outcome. What is it that is so valuable they would get in a case of success that they would risk their entire brand and reputation for it?
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
Share holder is their customer, not user. All user are just cattle to feed their incoming AI generator
@prowlTV
@prowlTV 16 дней назад
And I wish Maxon actually made a proper standalone compositor with nodes / timeline and open FX plugins.
@pshethia01
@pshethia01 16 дней назад
May be for our kids😢
@Imhotep397
@Imhotep397 16 дней назад
Most people have wanted to get rid of Adobe tools for their subscription stance anyway. The TOS is open ended, people should assume be it firefly or some as yet announced AI tool from Adobe that the TOS do require your content to train AI tools. SOM uses Adobe software extensively in their courses so of course they are biased to Adobe.
@miss.dudeman377
@miss.dudeman377 16 дней назад
Idk trust with Adobe is very thin these days. The tos is so broad that if they wanted to, they could train an ai with user files if they want to, without getting in legal trouble. If they wanted reassure users they would state in the tos.
@insidethefire6840
@insidethefire6840 16 дней назад
I suspect this stuff is going on everywhere with training models. Grammerly was 'free' for ten years, but I strongly suspect that all your writing habits were collected and used to train learning language models. It's free in the sense that you got to use it for ten years and then afterwards you pay with your job and livelihood. Of course, in Adobe's case if this accusation is true, it would be particularly damning since you paid them upfront and they still extracted your skills. In other words, you paid them to steal from you. Crazy. If true...
@MoeMurdock
@MoeMurdock 16 дней назад
I really appreciate these summaries instead of having to read another e-mail! Thank you for doing these!
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@VernardNuncioFields
@VernardNuncioFields 16 дней назад
Scavenger is also on Netflix for those who are curious and want to watch it. I started it last night and the "animation" is wonderful. And now that I know they used Moho I'm completely blown away because I thought this was tradition hand drawn animation. They did a crazy great job!
@GreenBlueClouds
@GreenBlueClouds 16 дней назад
They used moho in select shots. The majority is frame by frame animated in other softwares.
@hammerandthewrench7924
@hammerandthewrench7924 16 дней назад
It’s all fire bro. You’re out of your mind
@bubbajones5905
@bubbajones5905 16 дней назад
he sounds like an Adobe shill.
@NawazAlamgir
@NawazAlamgir 15 дней назад
Im glad you take the time to make these videos, As a motion designer that has been working from home without a team for the last 4 years, i don't get ANY interaction with other motion designers, so this helps me stay connected with what is going on in the world of motion design.
@jasonknoetze9800
@jasonknoetze9800 16 дней назад
Hey guys! Just a heads up.. not sure if you're testing it - but the Motion Mondays video is "unlisted" on RU-vid. The link in the emailer works but couldn't find it on RU-vid search..
@joeykorenman
@joeykorenman 16 дней назад
Thanks! We fixed it.
@3dmutiny
@3dmutiny 16 дней назад
Hot take from game dev world.. Adobe has done a great job with Substance recently. :D
@AmeenaBarakeh
@AmeenaBarakeh 16 дней назад
SoM always has the most recent news of the best stuff 🙌 👏👏
@EricLefebvrePhotography
@EricLefebvrePhotography 16 дней назад
The issue with the new terms of service is that they used to specify CLOUD SERVICES and that has been removed. This is significan't because using some of adobee's new tools are not REALLY cloud services as we tend to understand them like hosting files on line or tools purely on the web but do send data to adobe to temprarily understand them to modify them be that voice isolation or generative AI used for things like generative fill. The app I am using is local, my files are local but I do send data to adobee temprarily so it can analyse the image and then do a genrative fill to expand ashot for example. The issue comes when you are doing work for hire or work. Let's say I am editing images for a photographer ... the photographer is the rights owner, not me and as such I LEGALLY CANNOT GRANT ADOBE A LICENSE TO THE PHOTO! I am NOT the rights holder so have no legal right or authority to gran the rights Aodbee wants to those images. Another example would be me working on an article and using images THAT ARE NOT MINE in a FAIR USE WAY. I need to edit some of the images and I make sure that MY use of the images falls uner fair use doctrine but since I don't own the rights to the image I CANNOT give Adobee the rights they want to those images! Those are just 2 BLANTANTLY obvious examples. The other issue is that the terms of sirvice simply state "to improve our services" so we grant Adobee the right to use our media to improve their services well their GenerativeAI is a SERVICE. Sure they say in a tweet that they won;t use it to train their generative AI but a tweet isn;t the same as a contract / agreement. The agreement can be read to disagree with the tweet. I dropped adobe when they introduced CC. My last version was CS6. We have much better options now, we don't need Adobee. Affinity, DaVinci, Reaper ... so on, so forth. It's time for people to tell Adobe "Enough already!".
@solarydays
@solarydays 16 дней назад
these features can only operate with cloud, there is no other way around it. are you planning on using the cloud AI features on images you edit for clients? are they aware of that ?
@EricLefebvrePhotography
@EricLefebvrePhotography 16 дней назад
@solarydays I don't I dropped Photoshop when they went cloud. Also they don't NEED to run on the cloud. They could run locally like magic mask and rotobrush do. We have local implementations of diffusion models. You just need a beefy rig to run them. Heck someone even made a plug-in for Krita that allows you to do more advanced stuff that Firefly does locally on your machine right inside Krita.
@solarydays
@solarydays 16 дней назад
@@EricLefebvrePhotography photoshop went cloud a long time ago, why do you even care then, you got nothing in their database. most AI algorithm needs a powerhouse to run, so I highly doubt the krita feature can do the same without much resources. that's just physically not possible.
@kyounokuma
@kyounokuma 16 дней назад
@@solarydaysI assumed the same at first and avoided using their cloud features. But, sorry to say, this is actually not true. It even says so in their clarification of their terms. When using certain tools, AI focused tools or otherwise, your images may be sampled to provide the full functionality of certain tools while working in their apps. They offered using tools that provide suggestions as a normal part of their function as an example. I read the new TOS. It’s even worse than the internet says it is.
@solarydays
@solarydays 15 дней назад
@@kyounokuma what is not true? what did you assume? ofc they sample your images, that's not new, that has been implemented a long time ago, what are you even arguing about here?
@ErfunA.M
@ErfunA.M 16 дней назад
Motion Mondays are gems
@nicoleymotion
@nicoleymotion 16 дней назад
Keep these updates coming! I've learned so many things to pass onto my team.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Adobe disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@naghmehjafarifirouzabadi2280
@naghmehjafarifirouzabadi2280 15 дней назад
Dad joke at the end 😂
@King_Slime1xp
@King_Slime1xp 16 дней назад
Defends Adobe then advertises AI products lol this guy
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
The indirect way to admit, Adobe is indeed use this new ToS to feed customer's content to train their AI.
@pzthree
@pzthree 16 дней назад
Whatever the terms say is what the terms are. Hope Kyle makes cool stuff for Krita.
@chelle_nz
@chelle_nz 16 дней назад
Why would Adobe need royalty-free sub and transferrable worldwide license to creators work? Royalties are profits paid to copyright holders, agreed between two parties entering into a for profit contract. If Adobe aren't making profits from said content, its redundant to have that included in the clause. Unless of course....
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
Yeah let me guess there're a way that they aren't making profit from said content: use those content to train AI generator, then making the profit from the AI generator itself. DOne, according to the law, they making the profit from the AI generator not from user's content.
@micbab-vg2mu
@micbab-vg2mu 16 дней назад
thank you for the update:)
@FelipeEspinosab
@FelipeEspinosab 16 дней назад
Starting to like Mondays more with this new series of videos.
@theghostsofgiants
@theghostsofgiants 16 дней назад
Corridor dropped another good Gaussian Splat video just yesterday
@sofiadesu4673
@sofiadesu4673 16 дней назад
I love Motion Mondays! Mostly because they make me want to explore the unexpected
@jonb2897
@jonb2897 16 дней назад
this is great, thanks joey
@ZeeBraam
@ZeeBraam 16 дней назад
Have you ever considered the possibility that quite some AI have already been trained on this data? Its common practice to beg for forgiveness rather than permission. The fire might not be the ToS, the ToS might be to put out the fire of illegally having sold put already.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Adobe disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@johnedwards4337
@johnedwards4337 16 дней назад
I diasgree, tech companies have a habit of asking firgiveness instead of permission.
@motiondesignberlin10243
@motiondesignberlin10243 16 дней назад
Great overview!
@saliuarts
@saliuarts 16 дней назад
this is what 'content' should be. packed full of value, things viewers actually might be interested in. Great work sir - I salute
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Their disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@schoolofmotion
@schoolofmotion 15 дней назад
Much appreciated!
@dplj4428
@dplj4428 16 дней назад
This video is one of the few that speaks AI as tool instead of threat.
@jchenmotiondesign
@jchenmotiondesign 16 дней назад
Great wrap! Interesting with the search term for motion design vs graphics vs mograph, glad my handle isn’t trending out…! 😁
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Adobe disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@ali-r8263
@ali-r8263 16 дней назад
Adobe does NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt. Please look into this situation and don't take their word for it
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Adobe disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@innercynic2784
@innercynic2784 11 дней назад
Boy! You really glossed over the controversy.
@GeoffBolen
@GeoffBolen 16 дней назад
Thank you for your sanity Joey
@ALIVESCREENS
@ALIVESCREENS 15 дней назад
There was fire tho. They even admitted it was written too broadly . Starting to sound like a shill for daddy Adobe.
@Seiness
@Seiness 14 дней назад
I also quickly wanted to chime in to the Adobe section. I feel like keeping a cool-headed approach to things is correct, but I felt like Joey went over it quite dismissive of the problems this time around. To summarize it in points: 1. A blog post that tries to "clarify" things without providing enough detail is -not- equal to the terms of service 2. The blog post didn't actually address all of the concerns of the community (automatic AND MANUAL scanning of your content, the ability to sublet your work) 3. Legally speaking, because the ToS is written so loose, Adobe can definitely do exactly what people fear. Sure, it's not moral, but by signing the contract, it is legal. 4. In the blog post they mention that they always allow for the option to "opt-out", but in this case, either you agreed to the ToS or were completely locked out of their software. Are they going to abuse this? Maybe not. Can they? Quite possibly. And given the track record of big companies doing shady things, they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. The artist community SHOULD be careful of giving software owners any more rights than absolutely necessary and should demand the ToS to be extremely clear, not need a half-assed blog post "clarifying" things. I think a message of "Keep an eye out for news" on the Adobe thing would have been a lot better than the quite disappointing dismissive attitude.
@joeykorenman
@joeykorenman 14 дней назад
Appreciate the comment. Maybe I was a little too flippant in the video, but the truth is that the TOS didn't really change... some language did but the terms, updated in February, are effectively identical to the old terms. IMO the outrage over this is about something else, something unrelated to the actual content and intent of the TOS. I think it's about Adobe's very aggressive implementation of AI, and thje fact that they have close to a monopoly over certain segments of design and animation. The facts are: the TOS do not allow Adobe to train their models on your work, and they have publicly said very plainly that they aren't, and there's no reason to believe they're lying. If they were, and got caught, it would be the biggest class-action lawsuit in history, and they are very smart so that won't happen. I probably should have been less dismissive of everyone's concerns... that's fair... but it's also true that those concerns are, in this case, unfounded. FWIW this has spurred Adobe to completely revamp their TOS, and write them in plain english so users can understand exactly what they mean. That's a great development!
@Seiness
@Seiness 13 дней назад
​@@joeykorenman I think you're totally right saying that the outrage is about something else, though I imagine it might not have to do only with Adobe. A whole lot of tech companies have been abusive with customer data, doing very questionable things, then doing crisis management or rolling them back. As more companies try to claw their way to any and every data that they possibly can, anything that even points in that direction raises a lot of controversy really fast. As a consequence, I feel like the mentality (including mine) has shifted to being very careful and skeptical of believing anything from companies, which is not legally binding. This also ties into the class-action lawsuit part of the comment, most of the time they're just not impactful enough. Midjourney and OpenAI have both been caught just stealing data left and right and there's no real consequences. Further giant tech companies have repeatedly leaked customers' data, collected inappropriate parts of it, misused their position in an X number of ways, yet they're all still operating to this day. The problem with the blog post from Adobe is that it didn't answer all of the concerns, while also not being legally binding in any way. But, if the ToS revamps make everything clearer and use more specific language (limiting Adobe's options when it comes to utilizing the data of consumers), I do agree that it's a great thing, and I imagine this should all blow over with most people having peace of mind.
@AnimalisMD
@AnimalisMD 16 дней назад
Good for Kyle! This AI push by Adobe is ridiculous. Add to that the new TOS and it's fast becoming a bridge too far. Good thing I NEVER put ANYTHING into "the Cloud".
@omnymisa
@omnymisa 16 дней назад
Maxon shoulda made that Studio also for Blackmagic Fusion
@JM_VFX
@JM_VFX 16 дней назад
Who says they won't? It's a vers 1.0....also I bet Adobe AE is the largest chunk of their business so it may not even be cost effective to support another program.
@markborok4481
@markborok4481 16 дней назад
If you're working on a project for a client who owns all rights to your work (work-for-hire), or which includes assets that belong to that client (e.g. a logo), then it doesn't matter if you agree to give Adobe the rights to do anything with that work, since it's not yours to begin with. Such an agreement would be null and void.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Adobe disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@vattu420
@vattu420 16 дней назад
Really well put together, informative and no extra bs. Appreciate the hard work brother.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS_819
@BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS_819 16 дней назад
not bad 👏
@engineeringandscience6238
@engineeringandscience6238 15 дней назад
Sad how quickly people will bootlick and trust a company that already trained on stock. And people were blissfully unaware of what vague “product improvement” legalese meant. Being this dismissive is appalling and irresponsible frankly. Hows the boot taste?
@jamesowens-darkcurvstudios
@jamesowens-darkcurvstudios 16 дней назад
156 Silence \m/
@joeykorenman
@joeykorenman 16 дней назад
Savage band.
@TomReade
@TomReade 6 дней назад
Love Emonee!!!
@owenrichards1418
@owenrichards1418 8 дней назад
READ THE TOS. No, artists are NOT overreacting if someone performs a rights grab.
@mickjayplays
@mickjayplays 7 дней назад
They say they don't train their AI on people's uploaded content...but they already did. If you uploaded stuff to Behance (and/or Adobe Stock), they already used your content to train their AI models. They used your own work in an effort to make you obsolete. It's some of the most underhanded shit I've ever seen. Adobe can't be trusted. Full stop.
@teefish88
@teefish88 14 дней назад
Was very excited to see this. A great subject and seriously important part of hip hop culture but maaaaan… the way this is edited sucks all energy out of piece. So slow and with lifeless. I’ll check out others in the series and hope this was a one off.
@jinglebell9107
@jinglebell9107 16 дней назад
Exactly correct. For me, you can never be a a true artist, designer or learning to be one if you depend on Ai. It just a plain common sense that Ai is doing the work for you and not by you.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
I came here to say this! Adobe disclaimer blog stop at section 4.1 and dont talk about 4.2 for a reason. A royalty-free sublicense in Section 4.2 means they don't own the image but can sell it with NO OBLIGATION to pay the owner. What does it matter who owns it if they have infinite rights that are BETTER than the owner's? And take into account their right to: + reproduction, + public display, + publicly perform, + distribute, + modify, + creat derivative work base on your content . That's alot of power over the customer content or even more.
@FlameForgedSoul
@FlameForgedSoul 16 дней назад
We understand what side your bread is buttered on sir, but a moral panic? After all the $4!7 Adobe has pulled? Or tried to [cough]Figma[cough]? People are just becoming Aware of what a small number of us warned you about back when they started the "everything is now Netflix" trend.
@prowlTV
@prowlTV 16 дней назад
Lottie... oh look it's flash 3 circa 1998.... This is not a bad thing... but man I miss Flash capabilities that still don't exist anywhere else.
@agear1958
@agear1958 15 дней назад
They literally are watching . That's how they caught that teacher giving her students cookies with c man on them. Adobe saw the files as they worked on em and reported it
@engineeringandscience6238
@engineeringandscience6238 15 дней назад
Please elaborate. I havent heard of this one. Edit: Ok found it. Gross. I see what you meant by c man. Literally used “teacher caught cookies c man” in search terms and google served immediately. Im not aware of the technical aspects of this case however.
@SR_PRODUCTIONS
@SR_PRODUCTIONS 15 дней назад
​@engineeringandscience6238 at the time when the case first came about when they were initially arrested the news was reporting that adobe itself had reported the abuse when they saw the video was being edited with premiere pro. I cannot find the initial arrest articles only the main ones you found.
@SR_PRODUCTIONS
@SR_PRODUCTIONS 15 дней назад
​@@engineeringandscience6238I remember it didn't create a big buzz because everyone overlooked who reported it given the story.
@engineeringandscience6238
@engineeringandscience6238 14 дней назад
@@SR_PRODUCTIONS i thought it was a CVS photo dropoff that got him busted. Thats what i read. I wouldnt be surprised though. Theres definitely some visibility on their end to structure of what you are doing. People have been getting creepy emails: “hey we see youve been using actions panel, please let us know.” Beyond that theres always a back door. People were called crazy loons until Snowden revealed the scope of that.
@lorenkoski2714
@lorenkoski2714 16 дней назад
8:06 if they charge for Cara as a subscription that will make em tank. People are tired of all these subscriptions. One time okay, every month for life 😅 no
@thisninja11
@thisninja11 16 дней назад
I have always regretted paying for a dribbble account. It genuinely was a whole lot of nothing especially during the pandemic. I don't really have any faith in it going free but opened to be wrong on that.
@bufferglitch
@bufferglitch 15 дней назад
Sounds to me like you sidestepped the Adobe issue because you guys don't want to lose any SOM business ;) Shame!!
@craigwall6071
@craigwall6071 13 дней назад
Not surprised to see School-of-Motion do mule work for their big-company partners. Such a cringe to watch, though. I might have considered a school-of-motion course at one time. Never give it a thought now.
@lorenkoski2714
@lorenkoski2714 16 дней назад
11:48 Moho…. Looks good, but procreate dreams does all that
@joeykorenman
@joeykorenman 16 дней назад
Procreate Dreams doesn't have any rigging tools. Moho has a full FK / IK system.
@lorenkoski2714
@lorenkoski2714 16 дней назад
@@joeykorenman well it's got basic rigging with anchor points n stuff, but I see what you mean there
@lorenkoski2714
@lorenkoski2714 16 дней назад
@@joeykorenman imma check it out 😊 appreciate the response kind sir
@joeykorenman
@joeykorenman 16 дней назад
@@lorenkoski2714 Don't get me wrong! Dreams is amazing, but Moho is really full-featured in comparison. I think they both have their place in productions.
@Vmshipe
@Vmshipe 16 дней назад
The 'About' clearly states that Cara is against AI in it's current state, but doesn't seem to to be against it in the future. Just give it time, it'll be like every other social media platform out there once enough money enters the picture.
@shivorath
@shivorath 16 дней назад
Oh no... nuance and a reasoned stance instead of jumping on the uninformed bandwagon and taking a black or white position! The horror of it all! Personally, I give them mad respect for that.
@wangelite5279
@wangelite5279 16 дней назад
I bet they are in talks with canva or adobe for a purchase. Maybe Figma. They all need a product that is branded human made
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
You should do some research about Jingna Zhang, the founder of Cara. She is an artist and also victim of AI company. SHe 've win her lawsuit again plagiarism after 2 year of hardship. If you rather trust the "innocent" of Adobe with their new Tos than trusting Jingna Zhang and Cara, it's up to you though.
@huymaivan8671
@huymaivan8671 15 дней назад
@@wangelite5279 You should do some research about Jingna Zhang, the founder of Cara. She is an artist and also victim of AI company. SHe 've win her lawsuit again plagiarism after 2 year of hardship. If you rather trust the "innocent" of Adobe with their new Tos than trusting Jingna Zhang and Cara, it's up to you though.
@seencapone
@seencapone 16 дней назад
:38 secs is way too breakneck. Let's normalize a little more calmness and appreciation when showcasing our work. Another minute out of your life isn't gonna kill you or seriously impact the time you spend doomscrolling.
@dplj4428
@dplj4428 16 дней назад
6:59 speaking of which, why do some artists expect free services when they don't sell all their art as "free"? Research costs of creating this platform.
@owonobrandon8747
@owonobrandon8747 16 дней назад
nice joke hehe!
@cemgulpunk
@cemgulpunk 16 дней назад
14:50 this is crap. So Maxon has lost to Blender. Nice.
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