Adopted People Have Two Birth Certificates | Marilyn Mendenhall Waugh | TEDxTopeka 

It should be considered fraud to state that my adopted parents gave birth to me. Everyone that signed documents are deceased so I think it should go to me.

an adoptee should be able demand access to all records pertaining to their birth at any time. these adoption rules were put into place to protect anyone who couldn't keep it in their pants.

This is true. I have TWO birth certificates. An original with my birth parents information and another with my adopted parents information. I received the original two years ago and it is chilling.. a feeling I can never describe.

As an adoptee, the problem with not having legal access to your original birth certificate across several states, is that you may have difficulty getting a passport, as well as problems with many other issues which require that legal record of your own birth. Vital Records such as your BC are needed to get a marriage license, to obtain photo IDs or a social security number, or register to vote, etc. Not every adoptive parent has even told their child they are adopted, which can have serious consequences for teens & adults who don't know the truth (mentally/emotionally or even physically). Many birth parents don't want to be found, and want their identity kept a secret. That said we should all have the right to know where we came from, and if we have any siblings, etc. For those who don't have any idea who their biological family is it may have an direct impact on your health and lifespan, where inherited conditions exist. This matters not only for yourself, but also for any child you may have as well.

Identity is an issue. I am adopted and had sufficient time between being born and being adopted that I developed a detachment disorder. I'm 57, so when I was born schools, parents, did not know about this. So I was just a difficult kid, i was never diagnosed with RAD until I saw more info coming out on RAD in last 10 years. Detachment is a very damaging dis-functionality to have as it removes many or most of the characteristics that society values highly, relationships, asset accumulation, family, community etc. Without these values its hard in the mainstream world!

Wow, interesting stuff. Never thought about the fact that I've lied on the face of important legal documents.

I was adopted and after both of my adoptive parents had died, my children found my birth parents. One of the big surprises in meeting them was finding out that my birthdate was not accurate on my birth certificate. Using my amended birth certificate has never been a problem for me, but prior to listening to this, I had had the same idea - we should have a birth certificate and an adoption certificate; adoption certificates should be allowed for use in all the same legal transactions. I have mixed feelings about making original birth certificates available to everyone at 18 - my biological parents were thrilled to meet me, but that is not always the case and I do think to encourage adoption over abortion you need to give some identity protection to birth parents. It's tricky, but one thing is certain - the current method doesn't work.

Closed records is absurd.

If someone is adopted and they have two birth certificates, Is it possible for the adoptee to have different birthdays on their birth certificates?!

Yes! Yes! and Yes! I agree with EVERYTHING you said!

I have my original birth certificate, amended birth certificate and an adoption certificate. It's all so exhausting

The Amended version is the “birth” of a second legal person that is securitized since they have legal guardianship through the state. That’s why the date is different. There are actually 3 versions. 1. Certificate of live birth (aka the long form), 2. the birth certificate and 3. the Amended. The GmEI Utility trades those entities as for-profit federal “employees.” Bonds can then be created and more $ can be made for the beneficiary, which is you…. unless you are unaware that you are the beneficiary, then they will claim it as abandoned after 7* years. It is presumed in court that they are now the beneficiaries because no one ever stepped forward to claim the “estate,” which is evidenced through the birth certificate. The evidence is in USC 363 (and 363.6). See definition for “minor.” You are still considered a minor because you have not taken control of your “securities” - your BC. It’s an arduous process.

All I heard was there are two bonds being monetized!

same in the uk, I have two birth certificates, short and long and also an adoption certificate as my birth certificate has no name of child on it, so useless as ID.......

Yes with the word amended on it

I wish I was never born, but here I am any way.

what if your foreign born (iran) adopted from an orphanage, and have only 1 birth certificate (oregon) dated when you were already 10 years old

I need help guys please I'm in Florida and private investigators are no help I want to find my son who was adopted but I don't even know if he even knows what do I do?

My husband has a Certificate of Birth that was issued to his adoptive parents in 1957 (3 years after he was born) at the time of his final adoption in Detroit Michigan. A few years ago he tried to get a passport bc we wanted to take a cruise. The Post Office (Passport Acceptance Agency) accepted all the paperwork. It was returned to him saying the date of his birth and the date on his Certificate if Birth didn’t match even though he had all the original legal adoption papers included. Now my husband is retiring and we want to travel. I guess it’s time to figure this Patriot Act out. We know one of his birth parents is dead. So far we haven’t even been able to find anyone who even knew his mother existed. It seems as if 2 generations have now passed. She was found on a 19030 census purely by accident as a 3 year old. If she is alive she would be 94 years old. I’m not sure my husband will be able to get a passport now.

My brother told me I was adopted. I went to get my original birth certificate but it's a day later than the one my mom gave me. I'm hoping I'm.not adopted. My father( the only I've known said he was sorry I was born) so who knows ? I'm just glad I had the mother that I didn't d

Upon a living-soul being born in a natural body, the legal system attaches a legal person with rights and duties to a natural person, without their express consent or giving knowledge of such attachment to their body.

Last year, my father gave me an envelope with my original birth certificate and a few months after he gave me another one! 🤔 it’s seemed odd to have two! Why would I need two? I was naive to it so I just tucked them away in a safe place. Recently I had to use my birth certificate for some jobs I was applying for and upon showing my birth certificate, they told me I needed original, not amended birth certificate. I didn’t understand what they meant by amended until I looked up what it meant! I am in complete shock! When I was a young girl mind you, I’m 57 years old now one of my aunts who is deceased already always told me that there was a family secret and she would constantly repeat it to me I was her favorite closest niece she was my mom‘s sister, a lot of people tell me that I look different than my siblings I’m the only one with colored eyes and light complexion and blonde hair.I also remember when I was a young girl my father would tell me I was adopted I was about four years old when he started telling me that up until I was 12 years old and now looking back those words come to my mind you were adopted you’re adopted you’re adopted ! finally when I was old enough I asked him daddy was I really adopted he said I was just kidding you I said why would you kid like that?” He never gave me an answer.”I just looked at this RU-vid on amended birth certificates and the meaning behind it I do have two certificates an original and an amended one oh my God I’m realizing perhaps I was adopted ! How do I find out? I just found out my dad has cancer!🥲😩I don’t want to do anything to upset him, but I know he has the answer to my delicate question! I plan to go to the county record office this week to get my answer. I feel confused with this , perhaps this is the family secret My Aunt was taking about but never told me about! What now? Can somebody give me some sound advice on what I should do?

Hate to break it to you but the TWO Birth Certificate theory doesn't fully hold up. My (under 18) birth mother was transported over state lines (illegal in the 1960's) & across country (from NY to California) & gave birth under my adopted mother's name (unsure if under duress or willingly). California is a closed records state, so no luck on that avenue. Only recently (going on 3 yrs) found out I was adopted & unfortunately the people with answers are dead for the most part (the ones still alive refuse to talk).

I have a Registration of birth certificate that was used by my Adoptive parents as my birth certificate all of my adopted life. ( And accepted, until I applied for a passport at age 59. ) I then wrote to the Vital Statistics office in the town where I was born to request my "Amended original birth certificate." For any other records, I need to send a fee and a motorized request with all the papers mentioned in this talk to the agency from whom I was adopted. My solution was to go on a geneological database and pay their fee for a dna test... I found answers there.

My birth mother just tried to impersonate me to get my original birth certificate, I never cared about getting it before but now I think I need to try

yes I had to find my legal one

The BC marks the creation of a legal person not a natural person. The natural person is born the legal person is birthed.

Your birth certificate is your registration and contract as a corporate entity that places you under rules outside of common law. In order to do business with your corporate government you must be a corporate entity as well. This is the beginning of the process of your enslavement.

Birth certificate bond is a cestquevie trust and social security number is a social insurance exemption account

I haven't run into identity issues but I am a teacher and I did have to do a safe hire national background check to work with kids and it asked for other names. And of course I didn't know my other name until the background check came back and it stated that they found another alias which kind of made. It seem like to me that I was hiding this other alias

I am looking for my brother who was adopted when my mom was very young . We try to find my brother ,but the social worker said the papers work got burn up. My brother was born in Maryland. My mom is deceased and his father is deceased too.

I have never seen my original birth certificate & I went back to foster care until I turned 18 so all my hope has been lost to know the truth

I’ve never had any issues with anything.

What if your original was destroyed?

Yep.. confidential intermediaries are a racket. I paid for one back in 95.. I remember it was $20-25 an hour and I was making &5/hr at the time.. still hard to believe I could only pay my rent and buy a little food with that. point of my life. Being adopted is like being born in aa animal shelter and being sent home with a stranger. A baby knows what their Mother smells like. I remember I couldn't stand her smell.. She was very hygienic and wore designer clothing. She lived big and beyond her means. She had an affair and divorced my Dad when I was 3. Locked my in a psych ward for 2 years.. and left me nothing. not even a photograph.

I searched for my biological records and actually went to the hospital that I was born and they gave me too much information they actually gave me a photo copy of my original birth Certificate along with all my other records since then I have located in contacted all of my family

My story is strange its frustrating . My aunt adopted me . I want my biological mothers name on mines instead of my aunt and ex husband. What's crazy is my brother and sister has my biological mother on theirs and they were adopted too. I don't know how to fix this .

I’m trying to find a baby given up in 1961 and it’s not easy

lol at the social security office thought i was born in canda im from california

But one must say ammended

Its too much red tape, goerment sign! I was adopted from South Korea but in South Korea don't have a "birth certificate" its more of a keepsake in South Korea so it doesnt say anything! I've Seen both my birth catificate i don't have it and im 30 years old!! 6I was Adopted to a US military Itialian family! I want to find my blood brother!! Not my birth parents but my siblings!

Does your certified birth certificate have your birth parents name on it or your adopted parents

Amen! New Jersey born.

I never got s an original one

This has prevented me from getting any id or ss card ever in my life I still haven't found a solution under 2000$ and you can't get a job with no id

Yes we do or more if adopted more then once 😘 You know your S.S.I # stays the same though. It's your National I.D. Card from birth.

No statute of limitations when it comes to man

They have no subject matter jurisdiction federal rules 12b Canon law 7 no judge can rule from the bench which means bank

It’s a record of the birth of a corporation not a living man

And people who have exploited me for political reasons since 1987 as adults have tried to get it.

Please help me I was adopted in 91 and born 89 I'm been looking for my mommy since I was a little girl. I want my mommy my sister's & brother's and my daddy my real family. My family is my son and my sons daddy and that's it. Please my arms is open face Mack on or video chat. My when someone out here can help me find my family.

Kingdom of heaven rights

Reorganization plan #26 public law 94-564

“Vital Records does not register people, only events.” “A birth certificate is a valuable token.” “It is an abstract from registration to bear.” “A birth certificate does not certify a son or daughter being born.”

Wow 😮

Watching this again I note another huge discrepancy concerning why an adoptee is often refused a passport, and that is simply because on the amended certificate there quite possibly is no city, county/state/country listed. On my ABC (that's a new anacronym we have not heard before) it simply says 'born in the continental limits of the United Sates'... I laugh at the statement because the judge had no way to know where I was born nor did the state or the adopters. Odd that in 1982 when I applied for passport, nothing was made of the fact that my ABC was produced 5 1/2 years after I was born, signed by the judge who decreed the adoption to be final on Aug 15,1950 and in which that only true unadulterated fact on it was my own DOB. Both the ABC and the initial application for a passport was well before the events of Sep 11, 2001. Nor has Soc Sec or other Agencies ever questioned the information on the .ABC-including the US Navy in 1963... Let's cut to the chase: Adoptions need to be abolished, period. Our identities need to be retained and all of our documents unadulterated and accessible under the rights of the14th amendment (equality under the law, not merely for some but for all! . Where we cannot be with our own parents, we need to be placed under guardianship with someone of our own kith and kin-not stranger from the street who shares no cMs with us or we with them. Siblings MUST be KEPT TOGETHER. Left out of any of the TED narrative, as it is in all other discussions about retrieval of OBCs, is the issue of the adoptee not born in the state of adoption. Save for 2 states that expressly refer to the absent OBC NOT being available, we of this group are often SOL, without even a 'sorry we are unable to help you locate your record'. The OBC is only in the state of birth... no parent intending to abandon their child carries an incriminating document,, in fact, birth certificates are not often carted about when individuals traveled. Any watching this TED talk or reading the comments need to acquaint themselves about not only adoption, but about the trauma, of being separation from the mother and other DNA family and other adverse effects; also one should learn about relinquishment of infant -how it is enable and the harm done to the mother and child in consequence. While you ar at it, read about ACE scores (adverse childhood experiences) and how they affect adoptees ...

It is important. Have real records. Mother adopted health. Records pass on to adopted. Child. Without consider, Research original health records. Another : Problem. ( We are charged, property is taken. Under a false name. Trust Authority. Transfer under a dead name. ) Judge say : " Do you Promise, To tell the ( Whole Truth ) so Help You, God ? " Court is withholding. Evidence. Of your : Real Name. Charge you, do business. Under your fake name. Legally. This is why : Called. " A Fictitious System " Not Real.

Really

Fathe can be who knows and a big problem 😮medical experts where y’all at

Or just apply for a discharge. Adoption should be abolished. It is not a substitute for what often should be child protection cases. That is why they dont want you getting your birth cert. Because adoption esp when it comes to the Catholic church (child traffickers) is unethical, based on lies, turns kids into products etc.

CESTUI QUE VIE ACT 1666 . File a form call UCC 3 amendment

They can never have a valid claim on my sole-soul feet on the land rights all rights re-served non domestic occupant non Hague convention international rights and non citizen national copyright ©️copyclaim now time unincorporated rights

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I am going to adopt my cousin's baby boy he is already 1year and 5months and i want to change his full name what should I do?

MIS-TAKEN awful fraud

"... an original birth certificate, which all of us in this theater have." that's concerning. people who claim to have birth certificates adhere to the idea that all people are not created with equal rights and that one's birth, bloodline, and "altar of birth" determine who they are as a national and what rights they have. here is somebody claiming that 100% of her audience supports birth entitlement and citizenship without free will.

Isn't the whole point that these sates were trying to find ways to address the issue of parents who choose not to tell their child that they are adopted?? Not saying they have done well or poor, just that many parents make this choice and, again, Idk if it's right or wrong, but it's their choice for their family and it deserves considerations to protecting their choice. ... I meant to squeeze the rights of the birth parents to not be found in there, also. She doesn't address any of it though. It's like she thinks they are just goofy laws from incompetent lawmakers. Also, passports are national, vital statistics is state; this means you are a citizen of your state first, and only if you can establish yourself as a legal citizen of a state can you then deal with the Fed, when it comes to passports, anyway. So there is no reason to have national synchronization, the states do it the way they want, it was agreed to for vital statistics a long time ago, so the fed doesn't have to do it, cz it goes with other sets of laws, like marriage and adoption to begin with, which are all state. So she needs to analyze the culture and history of each state and take her case to each state individually if she wants progress, and she hasn't even thought about the issue enough to realize the importance of people's privacy rights, sooo peace

Wrong!!!! There are three birth certificates !!!!!!...the thirds one goes to the VATICAN!!!...and there's a Great story there!!!!!

Wow, interesting stuff. Never thought about the fact that I've lied on the face of important legal documents.