Pacific Rim was such a cool movie. To bad, they never made a sequel. I would love to see Becket and Mori team up again to fight some more giant monsters.
It would have made more internal logic for the Dinosaurs to have defeated the original invasion because _then the current Kaiju are the Precursors attempt to counter Dinosaurs._ Kaiju would have been very effective against the large Dinosaurs, who prehaps Jurassic Park'ed the original Precursor ground teams. So, the Precursors took inspiration from what defeated them. Then add in that their portals are not in sync with linear time with Earth. So when they fully closed the Dinosaur linked portals, because they wanted to go after another target while they developed their anti-Dino weapons, they lost the temporal link to the Jurassic period. They can only lock on to one reality at a time, but once they are locked they can then generate different portals to it. Then when they were ready to do round two with the Dinosaurs and have their Kaiju completely wipe out all the Dinosaurs big enough to be an individual threat to a Precursor on foot, they discovered they'd hit the wrong era. And had to make the best of it. *It does make a certain kind of sense.* Especially if they're not used to dealing with non bio-tech civilisations. Other intelligent species don't tend to have the electricity, machinery, and computers paradigm for their technology. And that's why they also had sweet FA in terms of defence. They weren't worried about Dinosaurs breaching their portals so they weren't configured for more than "Don't let in any big Earth lizards." It also implies the scary concept that the Precursors could always disengage and then come back with bespoke anti- _technological war apes_ weaponry. The Precursors might not be good at quick adaptations and changing their civilisation, but there are two dangerous possibilities. That if they don't line up in linear time they could always have a huge lead up time out of sync. That while they don't progress independently and are stagnant when alone without outside contact, they adapt and evolve very effectively to outside stimulus. They are a stimulus/response species, whereas Humanity advances by itself - although it could be argued that Humans are constantly at a form of war as they compete with each other. A hive mind only reacts. So facing Dinosaurs they developed a very effective Dinosaur counter. Now facing technological Humans, what will they develop?
Another thing worth noting is that dinosaurs were around for longer than they've been extinct. The Precursors had every reason to expect them to still be there.
I really like this because it makes them less stupid and more "making the best of a bad situation." You've essentially turned them into much more intelligent beings this way. You could reason why they don't just shut the portal off by having it require an IMMENSE amount of energy to open and stabilize; hey, that's why they were near a sun, siphoning off its energy for the portal. But once the process starts, it cannot stop so it stays open until the sun is consumed (could take hundreds, if not thousands, of years to do so). Furthermore, the more energy used from the sun means more Kaiju can go through. This would explain the logarithmic shortening of Breaches. It would make sense for Kaiju to have built-in-self-destruct mechanisms. When killed, they rapidly deteriorate into Kaiju Blue, rather than that being their blood. There's very little time to study them, drift with them, or utilize their body parts. Fun fact: there was a drastic shift in Earth's atmosphere around 200 million years ago where it went from a more CO2, methane, and hydrogen sulfide to one with more oxygen and nitrogen. The Kaiju originally fighting dinosaurs would explain that sudden shift. Now there's an added threat when humans kill them. This was fun to type out and think on, please feel free to expand on this or critique me lol
Wait... The Precursors were supposed to be humans from the future...? And their brilliant idea was to go back in time to wipe themselves out so they could take over... Ouch. Oww. Oooowww. That's so stupid it's literally causing me pain. Right behind my left eye. It seriously feels like a hot ice pick right behind the eye. I've waited 15 minutes to actually post this since writing and the pain is still there and I can only make out light from that eye. I'm going to the hospital because of stupid future human bs
If it's a single timeline, it's doomed to failure, but if it's multiple timelines it would work. Though they really should know better than to invade only when there's dinosaurs and when their ancestors became intelligent.
According to Del Toro, had he actually had any involvement in Pacific Rim's sequel, he was throwing around the idea of making the Precursors former humans. I'm not saying I'm glad we got the sequel we did, but.. I know a bad idea when I hear one.
Counterpoint: the precursors used the dinosaurs to conquer earth, moved in, and then lived here WITH the dinosaurs for millions of years. Then they were wiped out by the same meteor as the dinosaurs, along with all of their bio-organic civilization. Whatever this looks like in the fossil record, it’s missed as background noise among the other devastation.
So I first saw this when I was like 9. Of course the second plan was dumb (tunnel under water) but even the first was too. It would be like if Elon launched a tactical nuke in order to build the hyper tunnel
if they aren't enough, FOABs are smaller and have multiple times the yield, because they use different explosives. They are like 40 tons of TNT. Also, at around 25.000 km/h, the kinetic energy of an object is as much as it's weight in TNT. Imagibe you just make something, like a big, gliding dart, made out of tungsten or depleted uranium, like an anti armor tank round, but you launch it with an ballistic missile, so it hits with mach 20 instead of mach 2 or mach 3. It would cost, maybe, 100 million per shot, and it would take out Kaiju easily.
@avarion9538 Put a Yeager on the modern battlefield against the US Air Force, and it would be toast. The amount of damage, even last generation, bunker buster smart bombs could inflict on it while being far out of visual range would be far more effective and efficient in taking it out than what a Kaiju could do. And as you pointed out, hypersonic weapons would be instakills. They would also be far cheaper than designing and building Yeagers.
@@casbot71I thought the whole point was that kaijus wouldn't realistically be a threat to modern civilization? Why would we have to attack yaegers with the military? We are the yaegers.
@@avarion9538I think youre getting FOAB confused with something else. FOAB is the largest nuclear bomb ever built (soviet union) that would be a terrible thing to use in or near a city and would realistically even be overkill against a kaiju. I think youre thinking of BLU-82 or something, those other large bombs. But yes those or your 2nd paragraph would easily destroy a kaiju. It just goes to prove that realistically the modern day humanity wouldnt be threatened at all by pacific rim scenario. Yaegers wouldnt even be necessary
Every tween girl movie like divergent or uglies basically. How teenagers can topple a government is always funny. Similar to anime when kids can do more in a week than most people can do in decades
But only once the teenage girl decides which of the two hot teenage boys that are rivals for her romantic attention will be her boyfriend. Yet no one ever suggests a throuple?
Im sorry to burst your bubble but French and Russian revolutions both had primarily people in their teens and young adults in their 20's. Most revolutions are won by the young....
@@Koronia047 if you consider 20 young then you are truly lost there. I'm sure 20 and 15 are definitely the same thing. Sorry but you burst your own bubble here
@@OldManYellsAtClouds people under 20. Aka what I was just pointing out and you guys just proving my point. Plus is the french all you guys think of when chery picking? Even then I'm sure kids under 15 were the women with the knives too. Anyways thanks for the chuckle
21:30 Chances are he got this idea on Getter Robo, hell most of Pacific Rim has Getter Robo influence most specifically Getter Robo Go(manga version). Where the twist is that the Aliens are Traveling back in time to prevent Humans from going to Space because future Humans go 40k Imperium with a Planet Size Giant Robot and is succeeding in wiping out all Alien Life.
Even though it turns out they were talking otters in the end who duped everyone to thinking they're all powerful beings! Well there still are they just thought no one would take them seriously because of the way they looked 😂
0:37 i just realize both Precurso species are similar in that they fought another civilization creating biological weapons, the key difference is that the one from Halo actually transformed into the weapon and that they actually accomplished their objective
Thats why this pacific rim universe is so stupid and badly made. They literally are just ripping off halo. Even gypsy danger looks like a big robot version of master chief. I halfway expected the covenant to come barging in and attack the next time a kaiju came up.
Fun fact: Guilliero Del Toro gave his idea for the Pacific Rim Sequel: the big twist in it would be that the Precursors are actually Futuristic/alternate history Humans. Their alien appearances is just Bio-Mechanical Mech suits. They wanted to harvest their Anscestors/Alternate Universe selves and start over. Why? How did it get this bad to the point this is their best idea? No idea. He didn’t say. So, along with stealing the “ancient aliens are actually just humans” thing from Halo, this reveal seems to open up more questions than it answers. Recommendations for future Episodes: The Magisterium (The Golden Compass Film and Novels) World Catastrophe K1llzone Division (Maze Runner Trilogy and Novels) Hegemony and the Formic Hives (Enders Game Movie and Novels) Ember City Government (City of Embers Film and Novel) United States Government (The Darkest Minds Film and Novels) There’s actually 3 powerful alien species named Precursors now, in Halo, Pacific Rim, and Destiny.
Wow, that sequel idea sounded terrible. Like, on-purpose terrible so del Toro can get out of that project and seek Oscar gold with that fish-fucking film. And FYI, the Assassin's Creed lore also has Ancient Precursors, who genetically engineered humans for slave labor.
Yeah. Because the entertainment industry is so greedy, overly monetized and creatively bankrupt now that theyre even unable to think of different names for ancient races for each other. Its that bad
Why even waste time with robots, and not encourage the military industrial complex to just…make more specialized giant bullets? Ww2 taught us this lesson multiple times, there’s a bullet for everything, even smoke or chaff deployment at long rang. Or armour piercing nuke-rounds.
An idea for your next civilization video: The Observers from the Fringe TV series. It is a civilization of future time-traveling humans who managed to finally make Earth uninhabitable. Thus they proceed to invade the past in order to….terraform past Earth into the destroyed mess they are trying to escape.
@@cameronspence4977, That is stupid, because the Humans will learned that theses monsters are made of they're future children, so they will threat the Precursor of "If you attack us, We will make sure you didn't even exist". And how the fuck they forget they're machine Technology?
@@Spazticated Perhaps the threat was from a distant planet, and they developed time travel before space travel of that distance. They could never travel to the distant planet at any time, so any preparations they made had to be on Earth.
3:46 I can confirm after Reading operation Red dragon that kaiju fighting an organized army of dinosaurs is absolutely awesome..but wait THEY CREATED DINOSAURS?! But...their related to archosaurs and dinosaurs also became birds..that doesn't add up! 8:34 now i'm getting flashbacks to the borg episode
I think this episode fails to understand that the precursor civilisations primary entertainment franchise is giant monsters fighting giant robots; but they lost their industrial capacity during the collapse and they just need to get back to rock em sock em robots
Sounds like if they only change the kaijus pruporse to help his civilization all their problems could have endend, if their problem is food, then made kaijus than give more food, if their cant make food in his own dimension and dont want to move to another place, simple terraform the world but for being a farm of kaijus than they can eat, it would be more productive than all the infraestructure for a PVP game of kaijus
losing was technically part of their “original” plan from the first firaxis game because we’re just better than them, and were looking for a better tool with more potential to fight the “actual threat” I’m paraphrasing but that seems to be the long and short of it, still stupid but at least they had some kinda goal before pretending xcom2 was their plan
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeatI really do wish they'd explained what that was supposed to be about. Something about the evil alien invaders sounding almost... Proud?.. That you beat them & going 'maybe you're actually good enough' was so intriguing to me at the time
"The precursors are a civilisation building all their things from flesh and bone, who are insatiable predators stripping planets bare of all ressources" That's the Tyranides. With more generic Kaiju designs XD
For your next Stupid Sci-fi vid, maybe the Imperium of Man or the Necrons from 40k. For the next Stupid Villain vid, maybe the High Wills from Blasphemous.
🤔 The Future Human angle could've worked IF they didn't have accurate time controls/time travelled, had laid this out at the end of the first movie, written it well & brought the 'real enemy' in during the second movie. Don't forget this was before the Tom Cruise time travel/reboot movie.
1:25 "Genociding" I don't think you used that word right, in a number of ways. Besides, they started it. 11:00 Every Kaiju: "WITNESS ME! I AM AWAITED IN VALHALLA!" 23:00 You could have added "truly becoming... Too Stupid To Exist". Like at the end of you Columbia (Bioshock Infinite) video. This one could have also fit under "Villains Too Stupid To Win". And you analyses will still not ruin my enjoyment of the PACIFIC RIM movies. Anything from Legendary's GODZILLA and KONG movies you can talk about?
Aliens from aliens in the attic: Did little to no reconnaissance. (Sensors) Infighting on the team. Have a human sympathizer on the team. The sympathizer is mission critical. (Only one who can operate the super weapon) The super weapon is dumb. The super weapon is more likely to kill the ones using it through starvation. The entire invasion plane depends on the super weapon.
Fun as this is, biggest issue with critiques like this is failing to consider psychology and culture. Case in point, the Vietnam War. Never underestimate the propensity for the powers that be to be irrevocably incompetent.
the precursors being future humans is the dumbest thing ever. surely they would know them attacking past humans wouldn’t work because they’d have records of it happening. maybe they have to do it so they don’t fuck the timeline up even if they know it’ll fail
This is what happens when you go with the first cool idea you think up rather than putting real thought into it. I personally didn't care where the monsters came from and would have been fine with no explanation. Dumb explanations are much worse. It's just like George Lucas' epic blunder of showing us Darth Vader as an annoying kid and emo teenager who got tricked into becoming evil by Palpatine because he was horny for Padme and hated being a Jedi. Sometimes it's better to NOT know the backstories.
Also the Ai itself was incredibly stupid, pretending not to be effected by human flaws while literally demonstrating them as he speaks, as though a sentient and sapient being created by flawed creatures wouldn’t share some level of that flaw inherently
What's so important in our pollution that the Precursors want? If it's pollution as in petrol spilling, microparticles, etc... ok, I can see why they wait until now, but why would a giant volcano explosion release pollution? ^^' But if it's greenhouse gas, there was way more CO2 during the Dinosaur time than today. Like, during the mesozoic, there were no ice caps at all on the poles XD Or, if it's a volcanic winter they want, a billion years ago Earth was a snowball due to a gigantic vocanic winter ^^
To be honest the precursors intentions, origins, methods, etc, are supposed to be an afterthought, the only thing that matters is big stupid momsters vs big stupid robots. Expanding their lore is just stupid
I like to think they first visited the current time and saw a nature loving human civilization so they went back in time and filled the world with dinosaurs so we would have oil
Next time you talk about dinosaurs, use footage from prehistoric planet. It's high quality stuff and would have further demonstrated how ridiculous that lore bit is since dinosaurs were really just animals and not monsters.
Hehe I really love how you crap on the stupidity and shallow movies 👍, it is good to see that people still question things, instead of just consuming it and accepting. If I may ask, play Muv-Luv Alternative and tell me your honest opinion about it, in a video form 🤗
If by original, you mean first race called the precursors, maybe? If you mean the first race to occupy that slot, I mean the Slann and old ones in warhammer fantasy and 40k were around since like 1987. Alternatively the great old ones from HP lovecraft could count
While it still doesn't make complete sense.. There is a way the terraforming makes some sense. It's phases of terraforming, and the timescale. Phase Age of the dinosaurs, preparing conditions to make large fossil fule resources with a little biological manipulation. Eventually this phase collapse by design. Phase 2: wait for a civilization develops that industrialized off those massive fossil fuels resources, and pumps the hydrocarbons into the atmosphere, preparing it to be the perfect medium for phase three. Which would be the rapid terraforming of the planet into what they want. Of course, phase one and two could be rolled into one with some designed bacteria sent over in larger lifeforms as a starter batch, which then breed, spread, and directly produce the type of atmosphere for phase 3. so the whole thing still makes no sense.
*The following are the musings of a Salty SEAGULL named EARL who just shows up in my posts whenever he feels like it!* [EARL the Salty SEAGULL:] 0:09 - "Pacific Rimjob sounds like a vulgar sex act performed by sailors!"
It should be pointed out that Del Toro originally planed adaptation of In the Mountain of Madness of HP Lovecraft and he is one of few people who actually could adopt his work. But! Studios are dumb and he could not sell his work. So he basically salvaged what he made in self-aware pulp. So that is why this movie is so insanely stupid. PS: For same reason instead adaptation of American McGee made by Tim Burton (when he still has talent), we get mediocre Disney adaptation. Shame!
All the Humans here had to do was take their elite Human Pilot crews an then KEEP LITERALLY enough giant Robots active at ALL times that even that "biggest ever seen" WOULDNT have lasted long under the squad or platoon waiting gangs up an LITERALLY ripped it apart.. even enough people exists an figured out how to make enough Jaeger building size bots that the Program could LITERALLY kept enough to regularly rotate them in shifts an by the said Squads or platoons of them.. perhaps round clock too every few hrs maybe... with plenty of powerful Torpedoes an said Nukes an such that'd be ready to little down Kaiju numbers just to get they ass kicked cinematic style..
