The real Magic School Bus 'Please, let this be a normal battle!' 'With Cyrious? No way!' *Proceeds to climb a mountain and crush a few teammates with a Sunderer*
is that even doable, I seem to recall that it was possible to use a galaxy to lift a sunderer onto a biolab airfield, but as for getting the sunderer inside?
One important thing to remember about Sunderer placement: All ground vehicles in the game will eject passengers (and spawn players) on the left side, unless it is completely blocked. So please be careful not to leave that side completely exposed to enemies farming with anti-infantry weapons. That said: Thinking ahead with a Sunderer can seriously help your faction's progress. Once, when a fight at one base was just about to wrap up, I went Infiltrator, drove a Flash over to the next base, and as soon as I could do so I hacked the vehicle terminal and put a Sunderer right by the vehicle bay. The defenders already found themselves overwhelmed as they started spawning there, and couldn't manage a push before we took the base.
My favorite sunderer tactic is when my entire squad goes heavy assault except for the driver and gunners which go engineer and we just ride right up next to an enemy tank, all jump out and rocket them. My squad has been able to take out several tanks before the sunderer dies and break up the enemy armor column enabling the rest of our forces to push up.
Doing so usually takes several minutes and can even result in your tanks being destroyed if the enemy is even slightly coordinated. Not to mention pulling tanks require far more nanites then just the one sunderer. Keep in mind getting three to four tanks/vehicles is only in the case of driving into a large scale enemy armor column. If it is a smaller armor column we have been able to take out up to 6-10 before being killed in the space of about 1 minute.
Doing so usually takes several minutes and can even result in your tanks being destroyed if the enemy is even slightly coordinated. Not to mention pulling tanks require far more nanites then just the one sunderer. Keep in mind getting three to four tanks/vehicles is only in the case of driving into a large scale enemy armor column. If it is a smaller armor column we have been able to take out up to 6-10 before being killed in the space of about 1 minute.
Doing so usually takes several minutes and can even result in your tanks being destroyed if the enemy is even slightly coordinated. Not to mention pulling tanks require far more nanites then just the one sunderer. Keep in mind getting three to four tanks/vehicles is only in the case of driving into a large scale enemy armor column. If it is a smaller armor column we have been able to take out up to 6-10 before being killed in the space of about 1 minute.
I've been driving a sunderer or AMS in Planetside 1 since 2003. On some factions on some servers the lack of sunderer pulling is atrocious. And then there is the battle bus syndrome. I have seen so many base fights lost because the sunderer driver thinks they are always a moving battle bus, when in fact their most powerful weapon is DEPLOYMENT! In the video when you see the 3 sunderers on Esamir battle busing forward, they should have had one sunderer deploying/redeploying all the time. One of the drivers did deploy briefly a couple times, but that was not enough. The basalisk is the most versatile sunderer weapon in the game. I rarely, rarely EVER pull a sunderer without one basalisk. My favorite weapon pair is the basalisk/walker. When I see the dual kobalt pullers, I shake my head knowing they are doing nothing but attempting an xp/cert farm, with no real versatility on the battle field. And then there is the sunderer abandonment syndrome. Your sunderer is not going to take care of itself, and leaving it at anytime is risk to the entire fight, and is selfish game play. As a sunderer driver you should be proud of providing the vital spawning absolutely needed to win the fight, and not feel like a babysitter. One thing missed about sunderer placement, is yes not being found is a vital sunderer placement strategy, but deploying at the shortest distance to the cap point, AND ON THE EXACT OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM THE ENEMY SPAWN usually proves more vital to cap the base. There should be multiple sundy pulls with at least one stealth sundy back up anyway for the hidden sundies. And when placing a stealth sundy, I lock it from other players most of the time to prevent an inexperienced players from firing the guns and hence revealing its position. As seen in the video but I don't think narrated was mining the area, especially the sides of your sunderer not too close where you take too much self detonation damage, but where harassers & lightning pull along side where your basalisk can't shoot, but a mine going off could destroy or scare them off. I also like to place an auto turret around the back for anti infantry protection (further away if it is a stealth deploy). Good video. I really do need to start using ammo printer and mine detection again.
@CaptainStarDreamer That's a coordinated group effort that is used to compensate for the lack of the sundy's versatile fire power. Kudos to them who set that up with other player's cooperation.
If you can, always take a sunderer and place it anywhere. You cant go wrong, its extra certs and a good placed sunderer can be the difference between loss and victory.
I love me some good Sunderer shenanigans. Pigeonholing myself into the role of dedicated sundy busting for as long as I did was great for learning some good placement from those enemies that really made me have to work for that kaboom. Coupled with bum rushing deployment shield after getting to a decent point of progression with Engineer and Combat Medic, this was also great for certs. And I'll always chuckle at the memory of one of my first Sunderer roadkills being a whole fucking Valkyrie that had landed for repairs to the other side of a hill I was driving through.
Additionally, if there is a stealth sunderer and is not spotted, please, do not get in and shoot the guns on it. It purpose is stealth and not getting rocked by a single light assault. Firing takes away the stealth bubble and gives away its position. Basically opposite of its purpose. As well as dont fire next to the bus as well
Great catch, definitely should of been in the video. Also if you are pulling stealth instead of deploy sheild, do not put it in normal sundy spots. They already know there is going to be a sundy there. They are going to look for a sundy there. They are going to see your stealth bubble. It's like a bird trying to stick its head in the ground and thinking its hiding. Defeats the purpose of stealth
Thats good but the problem with that is the fact there will be those FEW Light assaults who will either try blowing it up or relay its position to others and tell them where the sundy is,Or alternatively they'll jump around it and force the people around it to shoot and try to kill it,boom everyone knows where it is
You forgot one thing, opportunistic ramming. Be opportunistic and ram things, like Burning Tanks and Harassers and run over infantry and just basically when you're fairly fresh use your repair sunderer as a battering ram and knock the enemies down. You'd be surprised how many lightnings and MBTs and so forth I've destroyed ramming them with a bus. And if you have a friend who's good at coordinating it, the dual ram from two buses is devastating to Tanks and other Sunderers alike. I've had whole sessions where I've only run Repair sunderers (proximity repair) and had dozens of kills and they were all from ramming things and running over infantry and so on. You can be very effective killing things even as the driver if you just bide your time and pounce when you see the opportunity to make something dead.
If you are parking a sunderer at a base to attack it, I dont suggest the invisible bus nearly as much as Cyrious does. Especially considering the cost to cert it out. I do highly suggest the deploy shield bus. Even the first level of it is quite strong, though its definitely worth certing all the way. If you defend it actively, it becomes incredibly hard to kill. Even if you CANT actively defend it, the shield allows for a large amount of damage to be only temporary if the attack isnt sustained. That means that if you are away and someone kills the bus half ways, then comes back to finish it off, they will have to get through the shield AGAIN. The is the only bus to have that bonus. (sunderer = bus) Another point, garages are hit and miss for placement. Theres quite a few bases where garages are a perfectly good option. Although, I would definitely say if you are driving a invisible sunderer, the biggest advantage you have is being somewhere the enemy wont look. (aka not a garage) How to find the best sunderer deployment placement at a base: Go to an empty base, and picture you are attacking it. Pull a light assault so you can easily view the base from above and from wierd angles. Ignore for now if its possible to actually get a sunderer there (spoiler alert: it is). That will only hamper your creativity, and unnecessarily limit your options. Instead, think about where the red ring (where you CANT deploy) is, and where the spawn room is. Look at all of the places out of the red ring, and find one or two places that are the MOST IDEAL for a sunderer. after youve chosen the most ideal places, THEN figure out how to get them there. In order to find ideal places, consider the length infantry must travel to get to the point. Consider also things like if they are running uphill or down, or if them running from that sunderer gives them some sort of disadvantage. Consider where the enemy has a shot on the sunderer from. If the sunderer can be seen from the spawn, thats obviously bad. Theres lots of other places that can make a sunderer easy to attack. Each potential location will have pros and cons, and some locations will be good situationally. you have to weigh the factors to determine which are most ideal.
Love playing Sundies right now. Always feel great when a sundy you deployed turns a fight around. Did this yesterday as I managed to deploy a cloak sundy near the indar comm array vehicle terminal before it got taken out. This gave us a spawn point closer to the attackers allowing us to push off the TR assault.
Thank you! Been away from Planetside for a good while and everything was different. So this was actually useful. Now I need to recert my sundies again ;)
On the flip side of this, I cannot explain how fucking annoyed I am that no one seeks out sunderers (console...). If the enemy is spawning, it's usually from one - it's like no one prioritizes finding and eliminating them. I can usually get the job done, but sometimes there are too many people on me to finish it off as an LA. Even one extra person would get the job done, but people get fixated on the damn control points, opposed to cutting the enemy off. I may have to start running engi to carry extra c4, because I swear some people would rather farm than win.
Hey man! It is great to see, that you make some more videos again, they are very helpful. I may have 2500 hrs of playtime, but it is always good to have some training and advise (except for the "pro-tips" in death screen ;) ) There is one big problem with the sunderer. If you don't have a competent team to play with, the sunderer is more of the ride and deploy vehicle it mostly gets used as. So a sunderer with two random players, that do not focus anything it is hard to use effectively I think. And it is not really easy to find some players with active voicechat whenever you pull a sunderer. Hope you understand what I am writing about. I really enjoyed your videos in the past week, so thanks ^^ maybe one day we will meet on the fields of auraxis, but I guess you don't play on cobalt... Have a nice day, I#m already looking forward to your next video :)
Very good video. I've been pulling sundies for a while now, but typically only stealth mode, trying to hide somewhere sneaky. I'll have to look into certing into some of the other options as that looked like a lot of fun!
This has inspired me to pull much more sundies, thank you! Please do an advanced MBT training video, I absolutely love the tank play and would love your input on it
Sunderer garages are bad indeed. Though I love dumping a sundy in the next base if the one you are defending is about to go down. Stops pesky attackers rolling on into your next base, while giving the soon to be defenders another spawning location to defend from. (Mainly as I love annoying those enemy quickfire sundy drivers by stealing their parking spot.) XD All good tips for sure. Gotta love the all purpose (not quite) all terrain van.
Something to note here, this is not common knowledge (apparently), but the GSD system also disables any and all collision related damage, and it also allows the sunderer (and other vehicles with the system active) to cross light-bridges if they are held by the enemy. If you have a tendency to flip your sundie down ravines or enjoy ramming things, the GSD will help you take zero damage during that moment.
I remember one session where my sundy was the last one in my faction to be alive upon our opponents launching a massive counterattack. Between the deployment shield and everyone’s efforts to heal/repair, we held off a massive counter attack for at least 10 minutes while outnumbered pretty badly. (For reference, the in game percent showed us at 12-24 pop and they had 24-48) During that time, I counted no less than 8 orbital strikes used against my sundy. Because of our efforts to hold out, other squads were able to take points that the other faction had isolated back before relieving us with an armored column.
One of my favorite things in this game was shield bursting an amp station with 2 full squads, hacking the terms and flooding the bay with rep sundies. Taking an amp station without ever flipping the gens was so satisfying. Good times.
@@CMDRCyrious Galaxy vid will be nice too and I will watch it for 100% but I will wait more for valk one. (In valk vid pls talk a little about valk airframes)
@@CMDRCyrious That'd be great. So far I've had little chance to put one to good use. ...Other than ramming mosquitoes. Sorry (Not sorry, it's hilarious).
@@thirdbreath4554 Hover stability, stealth, proxy radar, CAS. You are your squad/platoon's eyes. You work closely with infantry to outflank and ambush the enemy. You are light assault's big brother. If you can get a deticated gunner there's also potential for some nasty spawncamping in lower pop fights.
Another good tip is that you can drive a sunderer into a towers. Just go into the big ramp and push your way through. This is great when you need to get ready to defend a walled area and could be useful as an attacker if you can get by their defenses.
I think the smoke screen is an overlooked utility, I use it on my proxy repair build and I can't tell you how many vehicles I have saved in large attacks/ retreats when I can drive perpendicular to the column and throw off enemy fire
Wow I never thought of that. Good tactic man. The general thought is how useful is this to my vehicle. But throwing off locks for however long on a dozen or more friendlies is very effective.
Good video Cyrious. As I was watching I couldn't help but feel some things were left out that I would maybe try letting newer players know. Then reading through the comments I seen a lot of those tips and a lot I never thought of. So I was wondering do you think maybe on your training videos you could pin a comment thread specifically with other peoples tips and ideas. I understand that you want to be careful what info you let out through your channel but maybe it would be a cool new way to interact with your subscribers. If you dont agree with a tip you say why and then ultimately the viewer decides what he likes best after seeing both sides
Yeah its one of those things once a video is 15 minutes, while I still have 45 minutes worth of stuff I could put in, I make decisions as to whether its part of the advanced guide or not. I do try to highlight good tips when I see them.
@@CMDRCyrious yeah that makes sense. I just know that personally I dont always make it through all the comments. An official comment thread pinned to the top might be a good source of more tips for rookies
Your opinion on Blockade Armor (BA) vs Deployment Shield (DS), please. I'm currently running on Lv. 3 DS with Fire Suppression, Kobalt front, and Basilisk rear, pros & cons imho: Pros: 1. DS gives 2500 extra HP (any Lv.)compared to 1000 extra HP on BA (Max Lv.). 2. Reaching 2500 extra HP is easy on DS. 3. BA gives C-4 Damage Reduction. 4. BA gives that 1000 extra HP with no "restart time" Cons: 1. DS needs "restart time" once the Shield gone. 2. BA needs which "takes forever to repair the darn thing", if you're alone. 3. DS doesn't have any damage reduction. 4. That 2500 xtra HP on DS only came once the AMS is "deployed". Problem: 1. Most of the time running with Pubs, so, no dedicated Engies to keep the AMS Alive. Unless you got stream of spawn and the battle flowing towards the AMS. My S.O.P once it got below 4000, Fire Supression -> Repair Grenade x1 -> Fix tools. 2. Since its not Stealth, it basically putting ads to come and destroy the AMS. 3. In the heat of battle, especially when the enemies in the immediate vicinity and attacking the AMS, DS "restart time" won't kick in. Any thoughts on what kind of scenario best for each?
Seems like you have it down pretty well. The only two options I use on deployed sundies are max rank stealth, or deploy shield. I only use blockade armor when I am doing battle bus stuff.
@@CMDRCyrious Ah see... No wonder i was confused, when i'm on my own i deployed my sundee... and when i'm on battle bus i usually gun for others. Guess i stuck on that mindset. Thanks for clearing things up. Cheers.
(BATTLE)Sunderer is dead since CAI ... even if Kobalt is pretty strong. Sunderers are also just dying too fast lately, because of a lot people playing Rocklet Rifle and vehicles against Sunderers even seconds after deploying near a base.
Yeah my outfit still very successfully battle sundies it up on the reg. Honestly the most efficient part is being able to be organized and communicate. The sundry is just the transport really. The 12 seats is what matters
One tip regarding enemy deployed sunderers: Let your faction know where it is in the /regionsay channel. Knowing is half the battle, and if it's known, a coordinated assault on it can begin proper.
Players should be using their radars to see it. The only time I call out my sundy location if it's for light assault only to get over a barrier closest to the cap point.
@@c0baltl1ghtn1ng Friendly sundies show up on the radar no matter what. If you're placed outside the radar from the cap point, then that sundy is probably too far out anyway. And friendly sundies show up on the respawn screen for kilometers.
@@Timithos I am not speaking of friendly sunderers, I am referencing Enemy Sunderers. Players nearby (within 100m?) can hear your spot and will see it, but those further out cannot. If the Enemy Sunderer is cloaked, it'll disappear from the radar when it recloaks.
Bring a Sunday to support another to keep viable backup to stay in the game even if you bring one and not tend it, someone will fire the guns to help protect the depolyed sunday.
A couple years ago I remember a patch where they buffed the basilisk to where the damage was stupidly powerful. We would just roll around in a couple sundies and melt armor.
15:56, I made it into a Cyrious video! XD I was the engie on the rock below plinking the busses with my Archer. Kept trying to distract them to buy our sundy time. Didnt work.
might wanna note that repair sundies do not stack, the highest level will be the boss in a sundy ball, if its the same level then i think it goes to whomever was first there
I've found if your in those crazy battles where you are constantly shelling your enemy that ammo printer just doesn't keep up. If you read the forums the majority of tankers would rather have ammo sunderers instead of repair sunderer s due to the fact that ammo towers are often not available nearby requiring precious time spent driving back to base to get more ammo.
Just had a massive field mechanized battle today with a battle line of tsunderes... no wait sunderers... with some repair truck and some engi's running around fixing everything(and by some i mean me and two other dudes) and it was way to god dammed epic... 10/10 would sundae again.
Now you are obligated to make a PS2 video, art, meme, or cartoon that involves a tsundere sunderer (tsunderer) and post it to r/Planetside, or find someone else to do it. Do you take up this quest?
Ammo printer as a driver/pilot. Now I feel like an idiot for not trying that. I remember assaulting one base alone in my magrider, and I kept having to go back to get ammo.
3:34 actually the sunderer m12 kobalt is superior to the sunderer m20 bassilisk for the purpose of dealing with esfs and harrasers. For this purpose the m12 kobalt features many advantages over the m20 bassilisk, these being: -a higher muzzle velocity of 650m/s -> 550m/s -a higher maximum dps against harrasers of 238,33(m12)->219,36(m20), as well as a higher minimum dps against harrasers of 183,52(m12)-> 146,54(m20) -a higher maximum dps against esfs 458,33(m12)-> 365,63(m20), as well as a higher minimum dps against esfs of 352,92(m12)->244,24(m20). -a longer damage drop off range of 110m(m12)->100m(m20). -a larger magazine of 100 rounds(m12)->50 rounds(m20) (and more importantly a larger damage potential pr. magazine) So if a mix of esfs, harrasers and or infantry is the primary threat, the m12 kobalt is indeed the better option for your sunderer, of course using the m12 kobalt will prevent you from inflicting any damage at all to lightnings, mbts, galaxies, liberators, ants and sunderers, as these are fully immune to small arms (which the m12 is classified as, unlike the m20 which is a heavy machine gun). stats below: sunderer m20 bassilisk and m12 kobalt stats: ****m12 kobalt:**** muzzle velocity: 650m/s rpm 550 max damage/shot 200 (at10m-) min damage/shot 154 (at110m+) raw dps: max 1833,33 min 1411,67 ****m20 bassilisk:**** muzzle velocity: 550m/s rpm 351 max damage/shot 250 (at10m-) min damage/shot 167 (at100m+) raw dps: max 1462,5 min 976,95 ****harrasser resistances**** m12 kobalt 87% m20 bassilisk 85% sunderer m20 bassilisk post harraser 85% damage mitigation dps: 219,36 146,54 sunderer m12 bassilisk post harraser 87% damage mitigation dps: 238,33 183,52 ****esf resistances:**** m12 kobalt 75% m20 bassilisk 75% sunderer m20 bassilisk post esf resist dps: max 365,63 min 244,24 sunderer m12 kobalt post esf resist dps: max 458,33 min 352,92
Good research, you are correct, sorry for my miss-statement lumping Harassers and ESFs into what the basilisk is good for. Looks like its only useful for heavy armor vehicles.
Wow very specific thanks. I usually run a kobalt front and basilisk on the back and I definitely go kobalt when dealing with either esf or harrasars. It is also much more accurate at longer distances
Hear me out. Disagree with Blockade Armour. I think nanite auto repair is more useful for direct action. I'll give you a scenario that is common on PS4 when fighting on Hossin. I have an Auto Rep bus, I have 2 gunners (engi) and me the driver (Engi) I carry a rep grenade bandoleer. I have killed Vanguards this way along with magriders. While engaging and mid/close range and hitting them from behind, I will wait till I have enough health to escape, round a corner or something to break line of sight, I get away fast enough and far enough to toss a rep grenade, have all 3 of us heal. By the time the Vanguard rounds that corner at half health, the bus will be full. This works in smaller/meduim size fights and can also help in vehicle convoys. I usually use Bulldogs with maxed out ammo cap. Blockade armour is kinda crap because you cant stay as long. Auto Rep helps because it repairs faster, and since blockade has been nerferd so much it just isnt useful. You can always come around a corner heal up and return really fast.
I'm confused bc I didnt purchase daybreak coin and some how I got the white chassis under glow for my harasser, flash, and lighting. I'm kinda sad that I didnt get it for my sunderer but I'm mostly confused on how I got it in the first place. Any one got any ideas how this happened?
When I see a sundy (I’m a harasser driver) I see free candy, and I know if you get out you will get out on the left side, but it’s a heavy truck, if you were to turn and hit a harasser or lightning at full speed it will die to physics, also you have 2 so one for ground one for air.
2013-14 was a fun year to play ps2 for me. I was very active with Repair sundy , because of the tanks battle. I was in matterson if im not mistaken the server name.
I want an Litiral Battlebus which very long slow and big one which you can fire your own guns from inside like an moving building over an vehicle, It could be intresting to throw grenades, revive or repair allies or even sniping enemies with an bus full of snipers.
"the fury is garbage" STOP RIGHT THERE! The double fury tankbuster build is pretty decent even after the nerft at dealing large amount of DPS on enemy tanks, you can grossly out DPS magriders with fire suppression and even vanguards if you also have an heavy assault ready with a rocket inside, also lightnings have no chance to approach you at close range at all. The fury is not garbage at all, it's way better than the bulldog, the bulldog is the real garbage weapon, it deals mediocre splash and is in general an horrible AI weapon infinitely surclassed by the cobalt
Yes, a fury does out dps a bulldog, but its splash is garbage for infantry. It's only use is close range AV combat. I guess I don't run into enough bad tankers that would let themselves get caught that close to a double fury bus. They could easily out range it. The kobalt is certainly the premiere AI weapon, but it is ineffective against other armor. A bulldog allows you to be competent against infantry, and blow up other sunderers that get close. The fury is just to niche at this point unless you are just going around charging tanks or sunderers and focusing on fights where you can 3v2 or 3v1. That is three man bus vs 1 man or 2 man tank.
Yeah what Cyrious said. Double fury is a very specific situational loadout that sacrifices most all versatility on the battlefield. Like double kobalts are really most for looking for an infantry xp/cert farm, not providing practical versatility.
@@CMDRCyrious That's exactly what i've been doing with my 3 man crew, tank ganking with battlebus, it's pretty much a meme, but if you get close enough the armor can't do much to win the fight, only the magrider has the chanse to flee, the vanguard can't do much to fight back, just don't try it against prowlers. Also If you know you're going to face enemy armor at close quarters (like inside biolabs, amp stations small corridors etc...) it's pretty much the go to weapon, in general i still prefer double basilisk over the bulldog due to versatility unless i know the enemy is going to hide behind corners, i really can't find it useful anywhere else, it's fun to use due to the splash, but i find it extremely uneffective due to the slow fire rate and the atrocious splash ttk on infantry itself. The only bulldog i appreciate is the air bulldog, that's quite good, fast, precise and even packs a real punch on armor. Also i play on Miller, the only organized tanker outfit there is the vanu CABO and me and my couple of friends routinely trash them after they bully all the other tankers on the server.
