I don't think Canyon is innovative with this launch.. I think they copied the half decade old 2020 Specialized Venge. Even the frame tube shapes are a copy! Not to mention the specialized aero bars look neat...
Already 20 years ago, I converted a roadbike (Cadex CFR, that was just the frameset) into a TT bike, with constantly turning my seat position forward and deeper; after five years, I found the final position with a turned forward Profile Razor Carbon seatpost and the TT bar 21cm below the saddle (by an adjustable stem). This concept has limitations which occur when you try to put the clip-on bar upwards to achieve the praying-mantis position; before the bike is more or less good to handle (depending on the used wheels), a 80mm front wheel in combination with a disc wheel on the rear ist the absolute maximum, in windy conditions (especially on steep descends) it is wiser to use a 62mm front wheel. With the skies turned upwards, the bike behaves on a day with barely no wind like with 80mm front wheel on a windy day: it is hard to follow a straight line on the flat. A racing bike with clip-on bars is always a compromise. Maybe it works with a racing bike with a geometry that offers asluggish handling with a normal racing-bike setup, otherwise it is like sitting on a nervous racing horse. I even have to turn the clip-on bra downwards (like Jan Ullrich in the 2003 TT stage at Cap Decouverté to have an nearly uncritical handling.
Use mine with aerobars…absolute weapon! Wondering if anybody really considers getting a speedmax after that…doing 38km/h with low 200 watts is mind blowing for me!
I just got back from racing age group duathlon world champs, I used clip ons for the standard distance to bring only one bike to Australia. It’s still giving up time to my tri bike, but it was great travel convenience. I can also di2 shift with the clip ons too.
Any bolt-on aero-bar set on any bike - even an awesome one like this Canyon, will always have limitations that you will eventually begrudge. They are great for part time racers and hobbyists to chuck a pair on and enjoy a little less drag, but for anyone serious about triathlon, you will come to hate it as the distances increase and you start to strive for performance. I took a brand new Emonda SL7 with ENVE 65s and then added a profile design set of clip ons, trying to do a two-for-one road/TT arrangement - happy that the tri config up was 90% and good enough to save the cost of a TT bike. Then I got good and could feel every last bit of that missing 10% to the point where I hated it.
2019: 5k for aeroad + 5k for speedmax Somebody: I need to be aero in triathlon, but I have no free money for speedmax 2024: 10k for aeroad with clip on bars Somebody:🗿🗿🗿
This is SICK! I see a lot of comments about it being expensive, but the base model is a lot more affordable, as someone who wants to get into triathlon, still wants to do group rides and turbo etc, this bike is the perfect all rounder it seems. ✌🏼
the base model with the 105 groupset won't give you satellite shifters on the aerobars though, making the upgrade pretty much worthless as you won't be able to change gears when on aerobars
@@k1mfor with the same budget though you wouldn't buy a road bike and a separate tri bike, you'd mostly likely stick some tribars on the bike you do buy anyway. What would make this different? Just the price?
@@chrisleggat4668 I'm just saying if you want to do triathlons and be able to change gears while riding on aerobars, you have to get the SLX 8 model with Ultegra (something this video failed to mention)
The only thing is the seat tube angle will still make it uncomfortable. Good for sprints, but I wish they would have done something like the original Venge where you can just rotate the seat post around and it changes the seat angle.
Glad I had this option on my gen 6 madone but it would have been cool if they had kept it through to the current gen 8. Price was much more reasonable too
you are paying for how seamlessly they integrate with the rest of the package. It's not an afterthought like most clip-ons. I think it's well worth it for how clean it looks.
@Yurkevich22 nearly 500 quid is halfway to a winter/spare bike, its a ridiculous amount when you can regular aerobars from £100 would love to know how many they sell
This is a great feature on the new Aeroad. Previously you could only fit aero bars on round handle bar road bikes. So you could either have aero bars on a non-aero road bike or an aero road bike without aero bars. I wonder how close this can get you to a TT bike? Aeroad vs Speedmax video?
Good idea, but I think I would need some additional reach for my tri position vs. my roadbike position. I still think a traditional stem and handlebar combo is best for those with one bike.
I’ve been told that with the TT bar installed you have to forgo the computer mount and there is no place to put it. That’s a big trade off not being able to see your metrics while riding.
The frame shape gains you 1,6 watts according to Canyon, the 14 watts can be saved when you adapt your position on the bike with the flared handlebars… so not 14 watts on the bike but rather on the rider or overall system, big difference…
Dear GTN Team, Thank you very much for your great podcast. As the father of a wonderful daughter, a demanding job and a limited financial budget, I am now facing another challenge that has not yet been addressed in your podcast (as far as I know). I am wondering what is the cheapest and most effective way to train basic endurance at home. I'm actually a 10km runner, but I also enjoy cross training. Is it worth buying a treadmill, spinning bike or rowing machine? Because with jumping jacks and rope skipping I hardly get into the correct heart rate zones and I can't last more than 45 minutes. What's more, my calves are being worked far too hard because I have to train on hard tiles. Best wishes from Germany
I am an endurance coach in Australia. The aerobic effects of training on an indoor bike or rowing machine will translate to running. So if you like to cross train, they are good options. I would say for a novice, cycling would have the least likely chance of injury due to poor technique compared to rowing. So if you wanted to row and have not done it before, I would get some instruction on good form and technique. If you are looking at cycling, I would consider an indoor bike/set up that is power based eg a smart trainer rather than a simple exercise bike. The gamification of training such as Zwift and the ability to see your power improving may be a great motivator over a long winter. It is not the cheapest option, but may be a good long term investment.
Why indoor? If for endurance you mean 3,4,5,6 hours on bikes without breaking up, you can't do it indoor. If you mean endurance "performance" as power or speed at sub-maximal intensities (basically improving the fastest speed/power you can hold for say, 30 minutes), you can just run. The cardio/aerobic base transfers very well from running to cycling. Last year due to extreme floods my usual training mountains become too bad for cycling so I did very little cycling in that year, but instead a lot of running. However this year it's really a surprise that every bit of my cycling just become better, with NO cycling... You mention you are a 10K runner so I guess you can just run 10K everyday, that will be around 45-60 minutes for most people and that will be more than enough for ANY endurance work for ANY sports unless you are a pro. It might sounds little but try for yourself, the challenge part is not a single 45-60 minutes session once or twice a week, but EVERYDAY a 45-60 minutes session, even if it's in your lower end of zone 2 and you feel it's "too easy" at day one. It's a very tall order on any non-pros. With running it's basically non-stop mountain climbing in cycling. There's no cruising or drafting... You stop, you stop. All those jumping and skipping actually tackles the short burst high-aerobic/anaerobic system that has very little to do with "endurance" slow-aerobic side of things. You can simply skip all these fancy stuff and do running. Save those money on some super carbon shoes on discount or just get the most expensive Decathlon ones. I actually have a rower, and a turbo trainer, but I rarely use them because running/cycling outside is just better. Cycling is even better but the mountains are 1hr ride away (driving the same, I live in a huge city) so the smallest ride would be 3hrs so time becomes the problem.
I found zero information about an angle spacer! Please provide this info from the canyon website. Because I don't think normal users can get it (which is embarrassing for Canyon). If it is available, it should be included when purchasing the bars at that cost
Huge oversight. Does anyone riding in any form off tt use straight bars??? Ever??? They make angled spacers for the speed max for many years. How can they come up with this phenomenal solution and not include angled spacers.
You mentioned that the bars can be angled . Is there an angled mono spacer available - to achieve a high hand position - or would you have to buy an aftermarket part to add to these (already quite expensive) arrow bars?
unfortunately not possible (source: i reached out to canyon about this and they told me so). i think it's because even the wireless di2 sprint buttons have to be connected to the break levers, which is not possible as there is no hole in the bar.
@@jan-r1s9e You are correct about Shimano, where the sprint shifters have a 10 cm cable that connects to the break leavers. However, for SRAM you could get their full wireless sprint blip shifters and use them, they won't be as good as regular TT barend shifters, but it's the best compromise unless you want to start drilling holes for cable runs.
Looks like you can purchase the add on bars for international shipping. The new pace bar is on the new version of the aeroad currently available in the US
Canyon is missing one aspect to make the Aeroad a flexible bike for triathlon: the seatpost needs to allow the same adjustability like the one on the speedmax. This would allow you to use the bike in races where you are allowed to draft (no aerobar) and those races where you are not allowed to draft (with aerobars). If this would be possible, it’s my bike; unfortunately it’s not :(
I know its essentailly an ad. And I own two Canyons prolly because you showcase canyon bikes. But it feels a little much here. Not a word how expensive these are and not a word that these fit only on a select few bikes.
This one definitely! They have already gone for the "adjustable" bar-sides. It's just one step further to make them replaceable/exchangeable/changeable.
Would you be willing to make a video comparing the aeroad to the speed max. As someone who doesn’t have the money to have 2 bikes I tend to just use a road bike for my triathlon but have thought about saving and getting a TT bike but with the new areoad is it worth just getting one of them instead?
Yeah! This is the right direction for a manufacturer to move! Those bike brands should stop treating cyclist like idiots and imagine that with solely marketing campaign they can trick people into buying two $$$$$ bikes, that for anyone with a working brain, would see that 99% of the stuff overlaps, and you gotta ride only 1 bike at a time. This is IQ tax. No worry on the price tag though, as long as the screw boss is there, there will be all kinds of Chinese Knock-offs in the price range of $50-100 with reasonable quality. I think at least this is one big step for the brand at least in the attitude. They should as well release a forward-offset seat post (setback seat post but just reversed), so a TRI/TT geometry could be achieved. Of course if to make the package complete, a compatible negative-stem TT cockpit would be even better to further achieve the correct position. It's just unrealistic to expect people to buy one $8000 road bike then buy another $8000 TT/Tri bike. It's just something irrational. Unless you are super rich that basically you have nowhere else to spend, or you are super enthusiasm, or your performance level justifies these spend. Why not just let your users to have one really good bike, spend willingly and full heartily, and for everything? We are not going to compete at the Olympics so who cares those subtle difference if you can have the exact same position?
"Canyon now have listened to you so you can spend another 10k to buy the same bike after only two years, to be able to put some aerobars!" Wow, thanks Canyon! Thanks for especially changing the headset area so this new cockpit is not compatible with the previous frame.
Canyon fucked up majorly with it not being interchangeable with the CP0018. Most of the bikes on their website still have that cockpit. They just care about the money, not what their clients need. The quality of my 7 month old aeroad is also not the same as a few generations before.
There is a huge argument for a bike like this; - you mostly road ride, but want the option as you dabble with tri - you do tri, but want a serious road bike that is suitable for hilly courses - or you just want one bike to do it all We will be testing them against one another in the near future, so we can see what the difference is too
@@markthrelfall3577totally agree! Wonder what the geometry does for longer rides, as the seat post seems further behind the bottom bracket and therefore more flexibility is needed to stay in these aero bars when compared to a TT bike. I know you guys at GTN are super flexible but would appreciate if you can get an age group athlete into the comparison.
Can’t wait for a test whether this could actually replace a TT bike… I am doing mostly xtri, so I need proper road bike, but from time to time I am also fancy for some sprints or 1/2 IM and yes, I have a TT bike for it. It would be nice to find out, whether I can sell the TT bike and have just one bike for this! It looks promising, especially with SRAM shifters on the tri bars!
Isn't it correct that if you add tri bars to a bike with road geometry and body position, that you also need to adjust the seat position, brining it forward? But you don't mention this at all in the video?
Agree, would have liked commentary on if you could maintain an effective tri position with the aerobar addition, or at least how it compares to the position on the speedmax.
Yes you have to adjust the seat position forward significantly, and most road bikes are not adjustable enough to reach the correct geometric requirement. They don’t mention it because this is a Canyon advertisement and not a good selling point. The compromise on the imperfect seat position is tolerable for short distances to get the aero benefits, but your butt (and gentleman’s area….) will cop some serious punishment after an hour or so.
I'm intrigued, but I wish they'd made the adjustability better. Pads are very far apart (I run 16cm centre to centre & that's not even extreme) and there is no tilt adjustability.
Do I buy the cheapest Aeroad for $8400+$628 for the bars ($9028) or do I get Speedmax with DT Swiss ARC wheels and an Endurance CF 6 for $9250. The people putting aero bars on road bikes aren't spending $9000 on a road bike, and if you have $9000 to spend on a bike, why have it try to do multiple things? Now, making that cockpit system available for other bikes? Or compatible with standard stems. That's something to look at.
Is it my impression or there is no space for the aero-bars and the garmin mount at the same time? Where do you place your bike computer when you have the aero-bars on?
It would usually clip onto the aero bars and sit in the middle of those wouldn't it? That's what I've seen others do. Otherwise it would be hard to see even if it could still fit alongside the bars
Has anyone an idea, what is needed to shift on the Aero-bars. If I understand correct the new shimano di2 can be also connected wireless. It is also possible to shift also on the Aero-Bars without any cables?
Depends on your cockpit. Canyon’s website says that it’s compatible with CP0039, CP0047, CP0048 cockpits. My Endurace has a CP0018 cockpit, so the answer is probably no.
You can get the Gear Grove handlebar and aero bar for almost any bike you want, only requirement is that the handlebars can attach to the steerer tube.
Hah - I'll bet these basebars are literally unbuyable (permanently out of stock) in the US. Just like their TT bikes are - sold out for multiple years in the US.
Where does the out front computer mount go. Useless without it. People that ride triathlons or tt of any kind stare at their power meters a million times more than group ride (crit, fondo) cyclists.
Edit. They have a mount which goes on top of bars on the website. Issue solved before it existed. Should definitely show that in their installation video.
This doesn't help if you bought your Aeroad prior to 2025. See below comment from Canyon tech support: "the PACE T system was designed specifically to work with our proprietary Canyon FK0137 CF Disc and drop bars that are compatible only with each other. This set is sold with the Aeroad CF SLX and CFR 2025 models and cannot be used with any previous Aeroad models or other road lineups. The clamping system will not properly redistribute steering forces, and the dimensions required for fitting are not the same. Therefore, unless you have those specific models, I strongly advise against considering this purchase, as it could damage your bike or cause injury."
It does fit if you get the "new" gear groove handlebars. Can't relaly complain that it's not backwards compatible, because if it were to be you would not get such a nicely integrated aero cockpit that is very easy to swap on and off.
WOW! Sorry, but I can tell who ever wrote this story has little to no experience adding aero-bars to a road bike. Simply adding aero-bars on a road bike is MUCH more than simply adding and adjusting the bars. There is many other things that also need to change when you add aero-bars to a road bike. In fact, it is an entirely different fit. My first year in triathlon was 1983. It was a time when there were no tri-bikes and adapting road bikes for triathlons was the norm. And, rest assured, this adaptation resulted in many biomechanical problems for the fit and handling of the bike. ....Looking forward to the next story about repetitive use injury and accidents from simply adding adding aero-bars to a road bike.
We have countless videos regarding road bike setups with aerobars. Nobody is saying it is as optimal as a TT/tri bike, but it’s a hybrid that can work for some. Perhaps your only bike, or a bike that works on mountainous tris. Of course there are tweaks you need to make to a road bike position when using aero bars
@@markthrelfall3577 I road almost 15 yrs. on a road bike with areo-bars. But, for it to work reasonably effective (much less optimal), I had to do much more that add aero-bars. For this video to be complete, the standard should be based on total fit and not just any potential areodynamics gains. Fit is a crucial part of a bike. And, aero-bars changes the fundamental fit of a bike and control of a bike. For example, a forward seat post is also an addition that needs to be concidered when adding aero-bars. Trying to over simplfy the addition of aero-bars in order to sell more road bikes is a slippery slope for Canyon. That being said, I'm NOT apposed to adding aero-bars to road bikes. In fact, I'm happy to see this old idea revisited. But, I also find the over simplifcation to be problematic resulting in a poor experience by new triathletes.
@@joemoya9743 I was reading the comments looking for someone to point out that it's not simply about adding aero bars, but also the saddle position that goes along with it-and I totally agree with you! Adding aero bars to a road bike requires a complete fit adjustment, not just slapping them on and hoping for the best. It's an entirely different setup, and without addressing key aspects like saddle position and overall bike fit, you’re asking for biomechanical issues (discomfort, inefficiency, or injury) down the line. Thanks for bringing this up!
Rule #46: No aerobars on road bikes. Aerobars or other clip-on attachments are under no circumstances to be employed on your road bike. The only exception to this is if you are competing in a mountain time trial.
