AI "Anime" - An Insult to Life Itself (re: Corridor & Netflix) 

You're seriously using Vice as a reliable source?

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It's OK atleast u realized your mistake

these guys never finished the video lol

@@jeggsonvohees2201 vice bad

AI will just replace us

No, it's definitely replaced manual labor. We're projected in the next couple years to lose about 80% of customer service workers to automation and factory positions have already surpassed those numbers.

@@rookd2067 I sincerely doubt this, i think what's actually the case is that automation has made interacting with customer service so fucking pointless that people have stopped bothering.

That came down to a mis-prediction of which type of tasks AI was going to automated first. But some of us have been warning people to watch out for this, for over a decade now. We saw the evidence that this would soon be possible, and have been suggesting that we change some core things about how our economy works, and how individuals survive.. But noooo.. People just wanna be doubters when someone makes those kinda predictions. Gotta maintain that status quo capitalism for greedy self-centered reasons.. Can't acknowledge that where technology is heading, won't be compatible with how we do things. Artist's jobs are just the start. I only wonder how many jobs it will take, before people wake up.

Its sad since I have read many science fiction authors write about utopian scenarios where the factories would be automated to give people luxuries and more time to do things like art, science, and self-discovery of the human spirit.

Pretty much all technology has the effect of reducing human labor. That includes the computer you're typing this comment on.

Can't abuse artist if you don't hire them in the first place

And they're not the only one Vtuber, music artists, engineers, designer, and so on capitalism will definitely fuck us Edit: as not having free college universal healthcare, or good public transportation was not enough because it better to let's rich people profit form what a need because without them you are screw a highschool diploma is worth nothing these days also their some stuff the government will do better like healthcare then a private company doing things for profit and competition don't always make things better infact it can make things worst

Why?

@@Miranox2 there's a difference from reducing labour and removing it. Computers have made some jobs outdated, yes, but they made such an insane boom in NEW jobs that vastly outpaced it, like the youtuber above has done. AI won't do this. AI will create 1 job, AI developer. The entire process, is just take some frames, take a reference, and mash them together. Most AI "animation" doesn't even make their own frames. Watch any modern big screen animation project from dreamworks, disney, or even fucking illumination, and watch the credits. There's hundreds of people, and ai will cut that down across the industry.

Eizoken is such a stellar example of what Anime can be. It not only respects its characters, but the entire medium of animation.

​@@MoriMementa it has a banger OP too

@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 you sound like a dweeb

I am left-handed and this happens to me almost every time I draw a character holding something doing an action you would do with your dominant hand. I keep drawing the wrong hand and it's kinda frustrating when the entire composition ends up wrong for something so silly lol

Agreed! Someone needs to make a CEO replacement-AI!

Oh please, get that Reddit take out of here. CEOs do a lot and need to be intelligent and competent, otherwise they would not be paid as much as they are. Though I completely agree that replacing artists, composers, writers and so on with AI is incredibly sad in so many ways.

​@@hillehai"CEOs need to be intelligent and competent" Counterpoint: Elon Musk

@@hillehai LOOL. Oh yeah sure Robert Iger, Adam Neumann and Elon Musk are geniuses. What a sheep.

@@ridley2333 Being an indoctrinated child is not a virtue. You hate whomever you're told to hate like a good little cultist, so don't condescend to me.

That is the good case of using AI to help people. Unfortunately, for creative industry and many other, it's going to take out many jobs in the future.

Imagine if AI reads all your analysis and your papers, then does all the research and writes all the papers from now on, to be cute they can even do it all in your writing style. The only human left is your team lead who's job it is to direct where they want this research project to go. Better hope the team lead is competent and doesn't have any inherent biases! That's how AI in art do.

I don't think the two are really comparable. People don't pretend that not having to physically dig artifacts up makes archeologists irrelevant the way they desperately want to use AI to replace creative people. A more fitting comparison would be my field: translation. The spread of (even horrible, jumbled and inadequate) machine translations did irreparable damage to the livelihood of translators because of how many greedy bastards used the excuse of 'just slightly worse, but it's cheap/free' machine translated texts to bully translators into lowering the prices. The field was extremely susceptible to this because it's very freelance heavy, already not held in high regard, and a lot of translators felt pressured into accepting the cutthroat prices because at the end of the day they need to eat and underpaid work is still better than no work at all.

@@seekittycat I think this is unironically where we're headed. Keep in mind, AI is currently *the worst it will ever be*. When I started my career, there was a certain task that I was told "AI will never be able to do this, its something computers are bad at, and humans are good at. So we'll always need people for this task." Three years later we automated that task. My takeaway was that nothing is safe from AI, it's just a matter of time, and it might be a lot less time than you think. I fully expect my current job to be non-existent within the next 10 years.

Fully support that argument, we've heard a good many examples of artifacts damaged just because the people (usually developers) breaking into sites and not knowing what's mixed in with the tons of dirt they've just excavated until it's too late, and then those projects get postponed indefinitely due to the speed of said archeological research. One example of a possible application of AI in Creative Content Development might be to employ said Creative Artist to present a style (instead of said AI developers wholesale trawling the Internet of every and all copyright protected content) to the learning process and then integrating said algorithms to speed up the animation process, so animators control the fluidity of the motion instead of having to draw them frame by frame. Or even CGI processing tons of details instead of having a large number of overworked CGI artists develop that programming for just one movie (for example, LOTR, Pixar movies, etc). There are so many options, and the shills only argument is "we don't want to pay artist for their labor". They're actively worsening the problem.

yeah, but it would be all indie jobs. And that's something badly paid. Humans will still create art though and that's something that will never be replaced

Aaa’s are plenty crafted.

@@Troygdesign true, not saying they're not. I was more hinting at artstyles that aren't cutting edge or photoreal. 2D sprite illustrations, pixel art, hand drawn visuals like you see in Cuphead...

@@FarolitoSupremo indie games can be just as good if not better than aaa games. I don’t know why you think they’re subpar

@@Data-Expungeded it's not about quality, in fact for me it's even better, but indie industry is supported by the public only. Though the money goes more directly to the creators there are plenty projects that doesn't make it. It's a good way for art but luck is a huge factor to mantain the business

But that's a question of what the AI is good for and what it's bad for. Not a question of "it wasn't made by a human by hand, so it's bad and plagiarism"

This made me remember this Noodle video about 60 fps animations. It was an amazing video

It is still sourcing from others' original works though.

Please tell me the studio could see how bad the end result was and changed course....please tell me how this story ends

​@@petrsevcik5044 both issues can exist with AI generated art and animation, it's not just one or the other

Sounds like good premise for a horror story I guess although it would have to be some fictional artist based on junji ito instead of the real deal.

This would be totally Acceptable because it’s not other artists work! Would be really interesting to see!

Ooh yes! For as much as I dislike AI, they're REALLY good at making works of horror.

Speaking of Junji Ito, I wonder if the Uzumaki anime will ever get released. Seems like it's been forever since we got that teaser. I'm not saying I think they should rush it, I just hope it eventually gets finished.

@@lasercat538 I believe

"The cotton gin could have made workers lives better, instead it made cotton slavery profitable." lol, stealing this.

love the thoughts towards the labor issue

You are shortsighted as fuck and assume this tech ends here LAMAO.

God, this is soooooo true. I was trying to figure out how to say this. Like it doesn't HAVE to be bad. I know so many artists who lose productivity due to RMI and this has real potential to cut down on that.

I think every frame in traditional animation is artistic, ai generating whole frames would detract from the authenticity of the animation imo. Coloring is a better use of ai since the process is mostly just meticulous with little creative input.

AI can't replace human intent, we can create something cohesive, the big way that I see AI tools working out is to effectively reduce production times and workloads by making AI's create roughs of scenes that professional animators can fix or work with as a baseline, or even where an animator creates the frames of the animation and have an AI colour it based on pre existing character sheets and designs, feeding it lighting directions a shot relative to 3D space.

Exactly. It's like how artists originally freaked out over the invention of the camera thinking it would put them out of business

I lean on the position that ai technology can be a useful creative tool, however I am also pessimistic about ai tools because we live in a capitalistic society. People complain about how unoriginal movies are today? Its gonna get a whole lot worse.

@@noahnadji I mean for the "painters when cameras were introduced" example, there's a pretty big difference. A camera isn't printing out an oil painting or a beautiful fresco. To this day, you can easily see the difference in mediums and they're both valued differently. AI at it's current state has already shown pieces that are comparable if not identical to a lot of digital art out there (to the point where I've fallen for AI art that I thought was drawn normally). There's obviously still a ton of kinks in it, though I'm fine with AI art existing but without proper limitations and laws, the digital art world may see some major problems.

@@ilo3456 "Yet"

They already farm these jobs out to slave-labor in Taiwan, so you lose nothing by automating it. Instead you remove an industry that exploits workers.

why are just the key elements art? Why is that the only talent you respect? The technology and attitude displayed by Corridor's video in question CANNOT be used to inbetween or color because that isn't at all what they were doing. That would be a different use of ai. And no one is saying that ai can't be used well. We're saying that people, like Corridor, are championing it's unethical, anti-art, anti-artist use. As will corporations and plenty of other non-artists. The bad use is still out that, and it will be exploited and harm massive artists, industries and our culture itself, if you ask me. As ai can do "the key elements" as well...

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue The future is now, old man.

​@@Null_Experis​Respect is a virtue, young ugly dancing puppet.

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue as a profesional animator I agree with vinjass -not trying to deminish the work of so many people, myself included in my formative years, but just to say that while some have intrinsic formative value, many of those works are mostly chores, specially coloring- and I'm also speaking from the perspective of an indie creator. Shinkai's example is impressive but still felt obtuse in its day, and it still does. We champion the achievement, and that can't be taken away from it, but the end result could have been done with less pain and effort, in a shorter time-span, allowing him to create more indie stuff and better develope his voice before jumping to the industry (I'm one to think he has always lacked a bit in the storytelling department, and while Your Name delivers in every sense, Weathering With You shows several of the flaws he, in my opinion, exhibited in his earlier work, even if the degree of polish is much higher).

Best take I've seen in this comment section.

Great point and one that I hadn't considered!

Plus it currently can't do in-betweens anyways as seen with 60 fps anime where the in-betweens look awful

As a former animation student, absolutely.

Which if you watched the corridor video, that is clearly what happened

If your a good artist, this can be used as a short hand. Extreme perspective can be done, if the artist learns how to do it. I don't see the difference between photoshoping images and this. like 90% of thumbnails are just copy paste + photoshop.

Ai will learn the fundamentals in time.

@@LifenKnight I have used stable diffusion extensively and I can tell you the difference: AI's need extensive datasets to do specific work, and even more training to be consistent. You can't make new concept with an AI only call back existing concepts and awkwardly mash them together. To make something useful and production ready, Say you want to create a new alien species: A real artist needs to draw numerous images of this species and feed it to the AI so that the system can churn out some more awkward images, and then a real artist has to refine them. The way it is made right now it is not a creative tool. It is a derivative vending machine. So even as a short hand you are better off using real photos or learning from the work of real artists with real knowledge.

AI has actually gotten perfect with anatomy, The 10 finger and odd eyes are a thing of the past now, its crazy what it can accomplish now and corridors work is a testament to that

Unfortunately as an artist who understand the tech, that's wrong. The issue is that the bigger the model, the more they can apply these knowledges, you are talking about ai that runs on consumer grade computer, the ai is learning rules rather than collage. That's easily proven by inspecting what each neuron layer learn, and what you see are lines, shapes and composition. Hands are hard to learn, partly because of the size of inputs during training, part due to the low number of parameters consumer level ai can actually process (but if you had infinite time for training, they will eventually learn). But it's true they don't have concepts of motion, as it's not part of the training. Though model learning motion are starting to appear.

If you truly think that AI would do the industry good, if it was used by animators as a "tool" (for what exactly, btw?), ask an animator what they think about potential help from an AI. I'm pretty sure they would be a lot less excited about it than the people who think of it as a way to bypass artists to generate images.

Depends on how you use it. Tho Some 3d artists use as an inspiration tool for a particular character design to work from and direction for projects.

@@CycloneFox I'm not gonna get too into it, but there are already tons of AI assisted art tools in a bunch of art programs. Just not "stable diffusion" as a technology specifically. Corridor is usually pretty good at specifically espousing just the tools, this one was a big leap in the wrong direction

that is exactly the problem Monder AI is not true AI. it is just a form of panter recognition software with some fantastic applications as it com be applied to. it can really replace people. It can only improve their abilities. To bad the people that run ower world see this technology as a way to do away with working to grow then own power and money. forgetting that those workers are there consumer base

@@PrismZet why because it upset the anime artists in particular?

LMAO, what a joke.

Sadly not that crazy given how greedy people and especially companies are, meaning of course they were always going to consider using A.I. if it meant they got more profitable in the short-term regardless of the cost to actual people in the long-term. I am only "glad" that people _might_ be wising up this bullshit already given how long it feels like it took NFTs to get called and with that idiocy still being around like crypto unfortunately.

this was a thing long before ai animation they just didnt want them to recreate their face if they died or if the didnt want to be in a movie

everyone needs that contract clause. What you think call centers arent recoding their employees voices to replace all humans with AI?

What you’re describing has already been decided in court to be illegal by the actor Crispin Glover. While he was alive, his likeness was used to make a CGI version of himself for the movie back to the future part 2, because he could not get the desired payment he wanted for his part. He fought it and won, and set a very important legal president for every actor. So it is already illegal to use the likeness of any actor for commercial use without their consent or the consent of the estate if they are deceased.

You have the right mindset. I like it. But the sad truth is that we still will be doing hard labor and AI will only make the rich richer.

@@SensetsFucking James Cameron was right after all.

get involved with the sector instead of being afraid

@@9r0t0typ3 and you shall maybe use your grey cells a bit instead of thinking that these AI are just tools. And this is exactly the problem with almost everybody. It is just a motter of time and I belueve a short timespan to be honest, in which they will achieve selfawareness. Than ypu cannot just treat them as tools. Watch the movie the artifice girl. I believe you will like it, plus it doesn't have such a destructive vision about AI as most movies.

@@9r0t0typ3or you could reject the cyberpunk dystopia instead of actively embracing it

Why would animation studios pay artists more when persuing AI is much more efficient and inexpensive.

Money from where? I think it's getting harder and harder to get enough for it these days.

I feel like you're looking at the situation backwards. Paying artists well isn't a solution to AI art, AI art is a solution to paying artists anything. AI art exists as a cheaper alternative to hiring artists.

The fact that this comment is barely getting bumped up at all speaks volumes. People are quick to call out something they don't like, but not as willing to inconvenience themselves to aid the solution if it costs them something.

@@selucviljoen1994 Why do you need a studio if you could just work another job while your Ai is busy bringing your idea to life?

Animation has been AI for a long time.

The cost of animation already made disney kill their 2d animation movies. Maybe now well get them back. But with anyone having access to this. Disneys shit writing could allow for a different studio to take over

It won't just be companies, though. Regular people not affiliated with companies are already praising these AI art tools and making excuses to try to give justifiable arguments. So it's already causing damage before companies are involved. Edit: Dare I say that the normal people that try to make excuses and actually support the AI art tools are WORSE than the corporate executives and CEOs people complain about online.

@@CarloNassar It's not AI that's causing the problems.

@@MDG-mykys I know. I was just responding to what DorkMagnet said about companies taking advantage of the technology. My point is to add that regular people are already doing it.

That sounds more like a marketing issue than AI issue. If an artist can't develop a loyal fanbase as they train themselves, then they're going to fail either way.

They can have a loyal fan base and still be upset someone stole their art style just when they were getting established.

The AI can only replicate the style of the artist. So if the artist themselves are creative then it won't be an issue even if they have their art used by AI.

@@Whitedudeabove People seem to ignore that style isn't copyrightable. Only characters (IP) and images (copyright).

@@WoonStruck perhaps not for long. Laws changes/updates all the time to fit in with the society environment for the better or worse.

That will end up like MLB's ban on PED's, but harder to test for.

Aaaand admittedly this comment has aged quite a lot in light of the WGA strike…best of luck to them

@@SiRenfield How does it age now?

@@thebigbadbone7238 Not great I admit 😵‍💫

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Yep ,unless you use it just in svenes that are shott and meant to be nightmare fuel, you need people put in their experience at least. Even ed wood has a style. A way of , like even nad good needs human artists. Also there is in good art so much revamping and reflecting on even basiecsof basic drawings, that is work. Not even working about pros who made it an expertise in their style that can also do whatever someone loosely wants.

That's really fascinating and honestly beautiful that people have to try so hard to suppress their own unique style and it still doesn't 100% work. It's true when they say you can't be anyone other than yourself.

If it’s so impossible for people to keep themselves from leaking into their work, does the programmer not leak into the ai？maybe we aren’t discerning enough to see it yet

As moronic it may sound, that seems like a you problem. I don't know exactly what do you want from people like me that is looking forward to the potential of the tool. If AI can not only meet, but surpass human quality art, you can't just expect me not consuming the product.

This post fill to the brim with intellectual dishonesty

Would you recommend watching it subbed or dubbed?

@@archlectoryarvi2873 I I may, I watched it subbed, but the dub is so remarkably good I would recommend it dubbed, unless you're like me who always prefer subbed, which I don't think is the case. C&T is actually the only anime I've ever seen that I managed to watch dubbed as well as subbed.

It's interesting how we got an Anime that shows problems of automated creative work, yet people are out here defending this stuff They're so busy dreaming of a future we won't have that they completely disregard what they damage on their way

Awh no they're coming for my profession also 😭 (ill write better music grrr)

@@justanotherpiccplayer3511 Go gettem 😈

Lmao WWIII confirmed

Whats that supposed to mean ? Man you weebs are always edgy and dangerous for society

not gonna lie, the idea to make revolution in large scale is coming to mind , but the moral barrier is what kept it from happening.

New Hitler is gonna appear

It allows for a wave of new artists, those who previously did not possess the skills and or time/dedication to learn such a skill, just because it is hard does not mean we should not make it easier, there is value in the time those people spent to learn that skill, but that shouldn't restrict the skill, that is toxic behavior

Naw. Whatever shows that overuse AI will fall flat and be forgotten. While all the stuff still being mostly made by people who love what they do will be remembered.

@@frenchfriedbagel7035 I can resume it on that SpongeBob meme where King Neptune makes tons of Krabby Patties while he only makes one, only this time it's endless AI garbage versus a human made animation made with love and care.

​@@dragondelsur5156Yep, Quality over quantity

Kind of out of topic, but would an actual sentient ai making art have a different implications than a standard “ai art” generator?

All we gotta do is just move past capitalism, and we can get the best of every possible world here, capitalism rewards ownership and taking credit, we need to reward labor and work, not just the people who own the IP their artists create

​@marcusaaronliaogo9158 the problem with that angle is that the debate about whether or not it's possible in the ai to truly be sentient has to be finished first but that is a huge can of worms in itself

​@@brandonvu5429 There's absolutely no reason to question whether its possible for an AI to be truly sentient or not. All that's required for sentience is self-awareness; thought rather than pure action/reaction. Its just a matter of finding the logical steps to achieve that in an AI. Until we discover explicit knowledge that it isn't possible algorithmically, there's no reason to question whether sentience is achievable just because it isn't "human".

@@smileyp4535while yes capitalism is cringe , I don't see why moving past it should be the end of technological progress making life easier. Ideally artists would probably be highly depend educated on the AI to produce the best possible results and everyone else could use it freely without being told to stop having fun.

Current image generators were not made with creative work in mind. They are made as derivative vending machines to sell visual treats. They are stagnant they have diminishing returns and they need to be constantly fed images with specialized training to make anything worthwhile. Not to mention the AI art scene is quickly filling up with scammers and grifters that have no interest in the medium they are cannibalizing and just want to make a quick buck. It is truly dreadful not only for the people who make art, but also the people who love and cherish the craft, passion and skill that artists put into their work.

How do you propose this be stopped?

"Stealing" style is BS. Artists are capable of drawing in a specific style with no issue, and have for all of human history. The idea of a style being something AI just "steals" is another attempt to demonize AI art by people who dont understand the first thing about it

@@aidanquiett668 my dude try copy eichiro oda artstyle and say it to the internet this is my artstyle with no eichiro oda reference whatsoever. i will take the popcorn to see what happen next.

@@Zanroff I'll second that question; because it's genuinely a fair one.

but developing the method to do things the easy way is still hard for example boiling water.... we had to chop and dry firewood and then create fire and place a pot with water to boil it. that entire process will take at least 1 hour. now we just pour water in a kettle and plug it to a socket and in 10 minutes boiling water is ready...its easy and takes less time ....but ....someone had to work really hard to invent that technology so that its safe and easy to use.... just like that corridor is developing this technology so that even a noob like me who has no training in vfx or art or any form of visual format can just film some scenes on their crappy phone and develop a story that they can share with the world. DO keep in mind that its still not an easy process since the only part of making an anime that has become easy is the animation part...you would still have to act or film the scenes and check and correct stuff just like regular anime. the process has now become much similar to making a live action movie.

@@anxarts7424 A) For the sort of thing you described this should be fine. B) You still have to do a ton of touch ups to make sure the images are consistent and that there's minimal flickering.

but it does tho, it does i learned guitar since i was 4 and it was somewhat forced on me but i liked it im good at it i like to think im talented however i used to book way more gigs and collaborations sometimes studios would make suggestions to the artist and i would show up but now most people use computers they play a short sample and have the computer build on the rest of it and that was 18 years ago now we literally have AI Music, so no, money talks and people for the most part will save on money rather doing something the "right way"

Problem is we are in capitalism, whoever gets the most profit survives, doesn't matter your ethics.

It took 10 people 2 months to do that 7 minutes of animation... very easy

True but since it's cheaper studios will end up making more content, make more money therefore again more content and people will get hired artists included. The ones that should be worried are companies like adobe if they don't keep up with ai technology. That's how I see it but who knows for sure

@@UboaSan You can see it now with Nvidia vs AMD, one is hellbent on AI and the other honestly is lacking.

Sucks to be human, I guess.

Regular, average joes are already doing that. Some of them even tell people to embrace the new tech.

@@CarloNassar When it comes to making money off of it, though, do you really think the "average joes" are gonna stay in first place?

Genuinely glad someone cares.

As someone just starting you actually give me hope, thank you

Same as paying for Anime or for a creators Patreon. Pay for thing you want more of.

I'm doing my small part, always hating on AI generated "comics" that appear on Reddit. These people who have no idea about art need to see that their bs is NOT appreciated.

​@@cynxmanga if the whole NFT debacle thought us something is that bullying works We should bully AI Art as well We should bully AI Art to the point it is no longer profitable

Even their side characters put out songs I listen to regularly. Milkyway is probably my wife's favorite song.

I'm so annoyed that the Denzel Curry tracks were never released separately. Discovering Maika Loubte through the show was fun tho.

And did! Thundercat released unrequited love on his album months later.

mermaid sisters 4 life

I happened to be watching it anyway, and a thought that constantly crossed my mind is that if you put on any of Angela's songs and told me they were on the Top 40 I'd believe you, which is impressive in two ways - that the music is that good, and that Angela is supposed to be making that exact type of music in-universe.

Still have the DVD, maybe I should pop it in on some cozy night and watch it with some popcorn.

Kawajiri? Based

I watched that recently for the first time and I was blown away! Absolutely beautiful...

For the record, Corridor Crew did a similar shout-out to the one you just did in their video.

​@@solanumlycopersicum5594 Yeah, shout-out in comments is just a positive bit though, when 5-20 second segment in video is barely acknowledgement, for it's effect on the final work-

The reason is because they are greedy companies. That is their entire point. To make as much money, and pay as few people as possible.

Why not? When there are ways to reduced our cost and makes better video for our next generation. Or you still think framing with robot and chemical staffs are not better than framing with human just for a small amount of production?

Wdum Why not? It replaces artists and writers roles in production. People will lose jobs because of that. @@KDYinRU-vid

@@restfulori212 Oh spare me, destroying the livelyhood of common people who work with their hands totally okay but oh no we cant touch the laptop class D:. Stop thinking you are better than them. Stop being ridiculous, this is a net good and try to break out of the ridiculous paradigm of Hollywood. This will allow writers and animators to be able to create their passion projects without even having to touch a major publisher. They will have their IPs that they can pump out till the end of time, yet those same writers that were "displaced" can literally on their own computers make the things they wanted at relatively zero cost. What used to cost 1m in equipment will now cost an iphone and a graphics card

Capitalism.

I can understand believing this to be bad, but I think comparing it to an ‘eldritch nightmare scenario’ is a little much.

Things have always been weird, bad, and good all at once. We just don't learn from the past, and are doomed to repeat it.

Just wait until the Great Reset and the 30's...

Imagine a youtuber making some funny anime content being what makes you think the 2020s are an eldritch nightmare. You'll be pretending you never said any of this in a few years, just like the last crop of Luddites that called Photoshop the death of art.

​@@user-be5kj1bw3d Reading comprehension is dead.

This ai animation really just feels like the rich man's cheap fake rotoscoping

@@KnucklesxReala911 It's better quality than actual animations in most anime series, tbh. But jeez... I'm from the gaming industry and this is childs play when artist cry for nothing. Then again... Humans were designed.

​@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Lol no it isn't and no humans weren't

@@syeina You've never seen every anime season for past three years have you? Not all of them are high quality in comparison to what Corridor Crew did. And yes... You mortals were designed... Unless you think death is an illusion then prove me wrong. Return from the dead... Then again, it's not like you would know since you are not the one who walks that Fate, mortal. Return to dust in which was crafted upon you from atom and energy. Human... Your species isn't unique nor special. I can wait for another eternity and a new species shall take your kin's position. Over and over again, as if you all shall end for nothing. (In the end... Earth ended from my true time eons ago. Will this cosmic iteration follow this same Fate? I wonder. And you?... ... ... You're no changer of history nor breaker of Fate. Until you are one, then I will consider merit in your words. Otherwise, this era is but a pebble in the stream of time for me.) Do as you will but what I do is the End of this entire dimension. Mortal, you can join the other life forms in extinction. May the cosmos be ever so merciful upon all.

@@syeina i mean a lot of newer anime is pretty shit. Animators and companies have become lazy ever since the popularity of anime exploded. Before it was super popular anime animations had an average higher quality. The quality average in anime has definitely dropped. i still find myself watching older anime because shit is just straight up better in art quality animation everything. Not to mention the annoying 2.5D type of anime that's been coming out constantly. That shit looks ugly as hell. You sound like a fanboy who can't notice the flaws currently going on with anime. If you can't notice the lack in quality lately with modern anime, then sorry to say you're just a mindless consumer. "Just consume product and get excited for next product" Thats literally you.

There's F tier dime a dozen works, and then there's the torrents of these AI gutter trash being pumped out. Plainly put, anything below "have some potential" is beneath any attention given.

I'm editing a novel, my uncle asked me today if I used ChatGPT for help, I told him my audience is over eight years old.

This is early days. We are at the start not the end.

Sure, you can say that now.. But give it a year or two. If the rate it's advanced until now continues, then it won't be long until it's capable of writing better than most humans.. And we'll have to rethink all this yet again.. Course at that point we may have to rethink some things about capitalism itself.

@@GrumpDog "most humans" is already a subjective statement. Some people like James Baldwin, some people like Shakespeare, some people like comic books, etc. If all you can create is a simulacra, then all you can get for an audience is a fraction of that existing audience within that niche. That still leaves the possibility of anything new and therefore a new audience.

I've noticed that most of those doing it have vastly over-estimated their intelligence, and tend to be massive pieces of garbage with chips on their shoulders.

I just feel like art isn't the place to be concerned about "stealing". Like there are entire genres of art that either are based on or heavily involve taking works of other artists and doing something with it without the permission or approval of the artist. Not to mention many great and important works in art history did take things from other works. Few if any Andy Warhol works where 100% original in terms of him making what's in it, basically all of his most famous and influential works involved taking designs or images other artists made and then adapting them without asking consent. Practicing by taking someone else's work and trying to replicate it to push your own development is something basically every artist has done countless times as they evolved. I think if there's any place the concept of stealing should hold the least weight and be the least taboo, it's art. Art has such an immense history with "stealing" works, designs, images, styles, concepts, etc, from other artists. And largely they aren't seen as wrong for doing it, it's excused as "how art works" or "how the medium is evolved". But because now the stealing is something that challenges the artists this guiding principle that has been a part of art for as long as there has been art is being thrown aside as if it's not the fundamental foundation to the medium that it is. And I'm gonna be honest, the fact that the "automation replacing those in fields of work" discourse has never been more popular or upfront within progressive circles than with this debate regarding artists, and that months into this discourse we are still focused on artists despite the fact that this is a far more pressing and important issue pertaining to manual labor workers, tells me there is a decent level of elitism present. Like I'm sorry, this isn't a new problem, nor are artists the biggest victims to the problem, nor are they the most important victims of this problem, nor are they the most common victims of this problem, and yet the loudness of this discourse exclusively in reference to artists makes it sound that way. I can't really see that as anything other than elitism of artists thinking they are more special and deserving of this discourse than they are.

​@@gryph0n55Not true,that involves a lot of personal touch,reflecting, reworking,ideas . Which AIs are bad at. And humans pretty good. So when human make it distinct in the process, yeah art, legit. But AIs arent as good at that. Like humans are way more than a sum of their experiences. With all the feedback that automatically goes in creating art there. And whatever else. AIs mostly, well are the sum.

​​@@gryph0n55rt is considered human, very human, important because its human. And while thèe can be elitism, seriously, sone art devalued more than others often, and taste, There is no elitism to say artists are undervalued and are experts at what they are doing. Warhol was basically shitposting with enough of his which makes it more commentary art. And yes shitposting, is an art too (dadaism)

@@gryph0n55 It sounds like you are actively being vindictive against artists for some reason. Humans learning from the works of other humans is nowhere near the same as a computer hashing out precise bits of pixels from artworks, copying it's traits and compositing it with the works of others in a mathematical model. An artwork's entire creative information is dismantled via software into something easily reproducible by anyone else, and that creative information has a weight of years of hardwork to back it up. Morally nobody should be able to exploit that hard work. People in a skilled field such as art and animation naturally wants to make original innovative works and not steal from others, and mostly do so during their beginner learning phase or if paid to do so. "Stealing" is also very hard for a human, so in a way if someone manages to copy one's style the person can still earn respect (whether that can be used commercially is a different matter). Forgery is also always called out when noticed and stifled. Both due to the natural ego of humans and a field that cherishes skill ensures the "stealing" part of art wasn't a big deal and was mostly self regulated in addition to the copyright laws. Now the problem is non-artists have an innovative way to truly steal, and such people don't subscribe to such an informal code of respect. It's no longer a self regulated industry, and it's understandable artists are requesting protections from the problems of AI from such exploiters. Them being loud about requesting for active protections from AI doesn't take away the voice of other industries such as voice acting, writing, copywriting,coding, journalism etc, so not sure why this specific derision for artists in general from your side. The online art community is one of the most open community that helps anyone out when it comes to getting better at art with so much free content, and the last thing you associate with elitism lmao.

"Outsider" art is really the purest form of human expression. It's absolutely fucking unfettered and free. Thanks for bringing this place to my attention; it sounds amazing!

@@Noordledoordle Couldn't agree more, and you're very welcome :)

“Art is only inaccessible to if you have a very narrow view of what art is” I’m not even throwing my two cents in on the AI art issue, but tbh that sentence seemed quite hypocritical considering the fact that ur the one trying to police what can be considered art and what can’t be

As an American I recommend people to stay the fuck away from Baltimore.

​@@pebble312 I never said anything like that. This is what my comment was saying: The accessibility argument about AI art doesn't work because anyone can make art, even if they don't know anything about it or don't have good materials. Seriously, all I did was debunk one argument.

god, AI architecture? I can see skyscrapers collapsing already

Your English is good, just a few typos.

@@blepblops you're dumb, the strongest and most efficient structures can only be designed by AI. a guy designed a brace using AI that was STRONGER than a solid part and used a fifth of the raw materials.

People in my country are already trying to get cheap architecture design by exectly copying other architecture design from Pinterest. It will get worse in the future with AI. As an artist and architect, it is not a good look.

Not just art, AI and continuing advancements in automation will likely replace most jobs.

That is so optimistic I have to say, that's a naive dream. Example: The fashion industry with fast fashion. Underpaid workers everywhere, with countless trash produced and "donated with contempt" to 3rd world countries. And I say with contempt because those clothes are so stained, they end up in landfills, thrown in oceans and disintegrate into microplastics. On the other side, Haute Couture of each brand only pays about a few dozen people, decent wages for their runways. Everything else is made by low wage workers. From Dior, Chanel, McQueen. They also regularly exploit interns so there are many months without pay.

IMagine how dehumanizing it must be to be pursuing arts as a means of self expression and then being forced to draw art for feeding an AI. That is some nightmare fuel.

@@shouryuuken4147 I think its a bit naive to assume that animators express themselves. The animator working on 3 hours of sleep with 100 mg of caffeine in his system on his 8th hour of overtime isn't thinking "wow, I love expressing myself", they are thinking "wow, this sucks". Unfortunately, most jobs are like that.

@@edisonkimmel7843 While I agree with your point, I wanted to clarify that my post was just referring to what Chairman Meow was saying, i.e.: " the most optimistic outcome of AI art is one where human-made art still continues to exist alongside AI art, and a new cottage industry where people get paid to make copyright-free art to train AI on." To be clearer, I don't like the idea of people working for an AI, so that the AI can do creative work, that should be done by humans. We'd be losing a lot in the process of streamlining art with the help of AI.

@@EmeraldMara85 The two are incomparable, and your example kind of sucks. Workers being underpaid has nothing to do with technology, and everything to do with international policy discussions. Things like tariffs on countries with poorly written or poorly protected labor laws would do more to help that than being a ludite would.

Because they laid off and fired all of the classic 2D artists in the 2000's, you mean?

@@Brasswatchman they could grab some from the tv side if they wanted too

@@Dave102693 You'd think. But from what I hear, the various Disney divisions tend to be remarkably territorial.

@@BrasswatchmanExactly. Fuck Disney. I hope Dreamworks keeps its integrity.

@@tappydani9378 They're Hollywood studios. "Integrity" is not -- and never has been -- in the cards.

I totally forgot it was about people making people music in an aí generated industry

Would you recommend watching it subbed or dubbed?

@Archlector Yarvi both are good, I think I preferred the dub a bit because the music is all in English, so there's not a back and fourth language. I'm usually a sub guy, but this is a killer dub.

You hit the nail on the head here, especially in the first paragraph.

Nice advocation for your slave-masters. Things can be different.

Also food is necessary. Hasn't stopped greedy people from creating toxic crap and selling it as 'food'. Wake-up.

@@chrisdawson1776 No I did not

​@@chrisdawson1776 The people that told coal miners that are the same people shilling for NFTs and AI

@@Mrhellslayerz Even broader than that. It's the "got mine, fuck you" crowd who think they'll be the winners and survivors. When really they're just shortsightedly cheering for their own expendability.

So if someone else can make wonderful art, what's the point of you learning to make art. What even are you? I hope now you understand, even a little bit, how stupid that statement is.

@@zenamo1848 too bad you'll be dead and gone before that happens

​@@zenamo1848 armageddon can't come soon enough

Well, the corridor video clearly only uses A.I. as a tool, as the story, direction, acting, and all the editing fluff is done by a human. And the video was trying to showcase an algorithm, not pretending they drew it.

@@zenamo1848 No matter how much google-searched thesaurus level grammar you throw at me doesn't change the fact that you are objectively wrong with this bizarre take you're having. Not only is technological advancement isn't art, as technology is based off of objectivity and reason while art is subjective and based on emotions. But I never even implied half of the other things you randomly decided to put in my mouth. Do you know what arrogance means? I'm clearly not trying to say that humans are superior because we do art, what i am saying is that is that art is literally the proof of our sentience. Yes, animals can comprehend art in the same way that they can recognize flora and fauna. Animals can be very intelligent, in general. But they cannot create art, this is because they cannot comprehend abstract concepts, such as wanting others to have a specific feeling and understand a specific abstract message/symbolism through art. This is something that requires sentience. This is also why machines (at least, at the current technology) also cannot and should not make art. I have no idea why you felt so personally offended by something that is scientifically true. What do you think was one of the main things archeologists discovered to prove the start of human sentience? Did you forget that it was the art of animals painted in caves that is one of the oldest proof of humanity?

Yeah and only these ridiculous AI alarmist are thinking AI will replace artists. The corridor crew vid was just meant to be simple and funny proof of concept. They didn't make it to show AI will replace human artists.

@@xKuukkelix your view is short-sighted and ignorant. look at all the people whose jobs have already been replaced in different sectors with AI. the "ai can't replace me" crowd is getting humbled fast.

I remember a video saying an ai had found the BEST way to win pong after playing 500 games. It was the same thing I guessed when I was 10 after playing like, 5. AI are only good at copying, they can't create

"When people act as if ai art can replace humans, they are ignoring how ai art can even exist in the first place" While you're totally right, that's pretty much irrelevant, because we already have so much art we can use to train models that we already have all the data ai's need to replace humans, and sooner or later there will probably be a new technique invented allowing ai's to generate their own unique art style, fact is ai art generation is still in it's infancy and we don't know what the limits are. But one thing is for certain, there will always be demand for real artists, even if it will be severely diminished.

Ai art programs like stable diffusion don't need artists at all to work. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of how the system works. The ai doesn't really steal artists techniques in the way you're thinking it does. You can use nothing but free use shutterstock images and with training it will emulate almost any artists style. It just takes more time. People in ai generation have already tested this and can reach the same results to have it perfectly ape an artists style from nothing in less then a year.

Here here!

Amen!

And dunks on it too? It is conflicting

Same

Plus Corridor, Logan Paul and other channels that support this also shill for NFTs. Down with them!

I'm a fan of Corridor and have been for a long time but didn't disagree with this video. However, attacking Corridor for apparent "Skill issues", their audience for having "Zero taste", and overall just coming across as an indignant asshole made me dislike this video more than I really should have.

​@@fernandozavaletabustos205wait, when did shad shill for NFT?

This isn't capitalism dying, this is capitalism in the process of creating tools that make tasks more efficient. Change can hurt, but holding back progress hurts more.

​@@jonatand2045 son, if capitalism finds a way to phase out the entirety of the middle class Finally transferring the last craps of wealth to the top 1% In the process corroding the very bases of the piramid that have kept it afloat, do tell me That's left of "capitalism" when "capital" doesn't flow any longer

I hope you know AI is killing all sectors of humanity. But the best thing to do is learn how to use it as a stepping stone.

@@jonatand2045 all these tools do is direct more money into corporations at the expense of the middle and poor classes. This will not benefit you in anyway when everyone can make an entire movie but only the big companies can actually market their products. There is no progress from stolen work.

@@hepzibah4573 It's not that simple. Some of that money will go into the tools which means different jobs and may result in other applications as the technology progresses. If it becomes cheaper to make a show or movie then there will be more competition and the chance for works that couldn't get made to be made. It also frees labor for other parts of the economy. Stolen isn't accurate, since the ai generates something different.

There is kinda already a huge indie space in japan... Doujin

Hey, sorry to let you know But corporations are already that soulless, definitely more soulless than you think. The reason they don't use the A.I is because it isn't advanced enough, give it 10 years maximum and you'll it.

One of the worst game of the yesteryear, Balan Wonderworld, is partially designed and made using AI

wrong comparison.... you're equating scale of operation to medium used for implementation Studio Ghibli films are pretty much AAA tier of Anime. Would you say the cel animation used is soulless? Likewise, there could be an anime made by a small team (indie counterpart) using Stable Diffusion. Would it necessarily have more soul? This IS pretty much the next stage of evolution. Game Engines made making video games MUCH easier and ushered in a new era. The pace of AI advancement is frankly unbelievable if you've observed this arena past couple of months. During the transition period, there'd still be a niche for high quality completely human generated artworks / anime but only until it gets outpaced eventually. It is not a question of if, but when. By definition, the progress is tied to model size and hardware advancement. Those two things are progressing rapidly. Since creation of this art is tied to these parameters, it'd follow the same curve, perhaps even a steeper one due to emergence of novel interactions and manipulations incorporated over time by users

@@anmolagrawal5358 Ok, saying that 100% human artwork will just disappear at one point is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. The photograph was invented 196 years ago but painters are still around. E-books have existed for 52 years and paperback is more popular than ever. Anytime a completely hand drawn anime/animated movie/animated show drops it always gets success off on that fact alone, because people crave that still. The human element isn’t going to disappear, even in the most successful scenario for AI, where 100% human drawn animation shrinks MASSIVELY, it still won’t completely disappear. That’s just not how “progress” works.

The possible benifits of using AI everywhere is so exciting!

@@alisw81 I am sure the people who'll lose their jobs because of it are also very excited

@@akiraigarashi2874 New technology ALWAYS destroys jobs and industries. It also ALWAYS creates new jobs and industries. I'm open minded and excited for the new possibilities.

@@alisw81 Yeah but AI will destroy way more jobs than it can ever create pretty much by design

@@akiraigarashi2874 That remains to be seen.

Looks like they need an ai to write their scripts too lmao

Why would I want to support mid? I want high-quality stuff, I'm not going to reward mid content, because that will just encourage people to make more mid content.

Like others things, this ai generated stuff is just a tool that can be adapted to increase animation output by individuals. Its not animation armagedon

@@justinwebb2773 agreed

@@tadeomilutinovic9893 maybe because those are the voices that will create superb high quality stuff in the future. Maybe because some of that mid-stuff resonates with you beyond its level of polish. Maybe because the status quo tends to create uniformity and you'd like to experience different, fresher perspectives. Also... have u seen Helluva Boss? That's friggin hi quality in every sense

@@JoseGarnelo mid. pass. murica can only rival japanese shit using ai. after when japan starts to use ai they go back to square 1.

Never stop drawing

This is a very clueless take

@@skyfox585 And you're a clueless person. If an AI Manga studio was created, coloring? Done by AI. Concept art? Done by AI? Character Designs? AI. There's even a AI Model that specifies in inking images to make it appear like someone made pixel perfect line art. Which to this day is still very difficult to master The whole studio will consist of a Senior AI Artist and a handful of AI artist to constantly generate new images to match the style they're going for.

​@@anaversary- That sounds sick af tbh.

@@kalechips5972 not for literally any aspiring animator tho. just means we're even more expendable than we were before.

@Ryen That was always going to be the case, though...

How dare they improve a technology and make a standard RU-vid video about it instead of perfecting the technology to completely replace animators overnight and making a video that isn't algorithm friendly too announce it

Yeah, I feel like this video is a massive over-reaction. No one is saying that the corridor video is some masterpiece of animation that should be displayed alongside the best of studio Ghibli's works. What they are saying "man, look at this fun comedy animation video!"

@@trevordavis6830 I kinda just felt like he took the clickbait titles literally. Cuz I never thought their goal was to do anything besides showing off the tech.

There are a lot of ‘ideal’ ways people believe the Anime industry would use AI Art. I believe any studio with this tech would do what warehouses do, which is making AI Art the labor standard. I can only hope that doesn’t happen, but knowing these studios… it’s not that hard to see them doing this. ‘Labor shortages’, they say… More like no one wanting to work 5 pounds an hour.

@@trevordavis6830 getting a whole lot of "Oldman screams at cloud" energy from this video. He just comes off as a hater of new tech. using some BS argument of "It's harming the cULtuRe!!!".

They will always follow shamelessly the trend to get clicks

I mean you’re kind of right about the live action filter. Their video is a demonstation on how ai is capable of producing an animation style that can be called anime (although maybe not of the best quality at the moment). A more correct term would be that the ai is rotorscoping their video feed but that excludes the enviorment, camera angles and the visual effect added on later in the production. Although the animators future might seem grim, try to see what amazing potential this has for the animation industry. What it is that I want to say is that whether you are looking forward to this or not, it is all quite impressive stuff.

@@tritium2733 Iit definitely is impressive and a lot about it is very useful. But I study animation and to call this animation is quite an insult. It misses everything about what animation is. It is rotoscoping as you said and nothing more than that

At least rotoscoping involves tracing over it frame by frame!

"What will we do then?"

@@StarlightDew “these bros” who’s bros? Me bros or them bros? Cause I’m not a degenerate who has anime woman being a dude as my profile picture I could always flock to Marvel or Custom Comics I don’t watch anime and don’t intend to be part of such a cringe fandom lol I do art as a hobby so this ai shit don’t affect me so I would appreciate it if you anti bros stop grouping me with you stupid dipshits

This isn't really comparable

People fear Machines??? The Eternal Legions were my Second Will... Mankind... You all were designed...

ai "art" should just be an open source thing that create no money and is just there for fun. But there will allways be greedy pig that search profit

@@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealms Allright but you do realize that someone actually has to progtamm those AI and mantain servers right? Why would they do it for free? Unless someone is paying them to give it for free to public of course

@Cassowary Egg Nope... As long as humanity serves Evil. I'll always be around to take amusement of Mankind. Well... I can wait for eternities... (May Fate be merciful because your kin will need it beyond the reach of stars...)

If you truly believe that you and others would have no reason to complain. But ofc you know that it will be interesting and charming and that people will want it. Its why anyone is giving a fuck now but not before when ai art was worse. The real truth after you see past all the hyperbolic drama is that PEOPLE using ai tools will create awesome and beautiful things. And the people screaming its not real art because the tools make it to easy will be forgotten.

@@RasakBlood Lol, Actually the AI will rise to more shovelware, that is always what happens when people get access to easy tools. It will drown people who actually cares about their games with games that people made in a weekend with no other thought than cashing in. I fucking hope platform will reintroduce harder entry ways. We are already flooded with shitty crash grab games. You also seem to believe that AI will remain unregulated which is a fucking delusion.

If it's done well, the audience won't notice. Puts voice actors out of work... but also eliminates one of the most expensive parts of video game development.

​@@RasakBlood ai dosen't make anything interesting or charming. It makes attention grabbing and addictivve. Tik tok got popular bc it used more advenced ai technology. Modern social media makes you depressed and isolated. Getting angry, confused and unsatisfied and loosing the sense of time is what the ai looking for.

@@RasakBlood Those screamers usually just the "suffering artist" kind of people who like to pretend being in suffer from a tool what just skips the time part from the work. Because they would can use it for their own good too instead of screaming about it if someone thinks logically about it.

Yes this argument I can get behind. I think MB was WAY too critical of them - and maybe that’s because he’s not a fan? I’ve listened to quite a few of their podcasts and have been following their Corridor Crew channel for years now and I DO believe they’re genuine dudes that love to have fun and be creative. They are RU-vid legends, after all.

@@user-dj9iu2et3r He did mention he used to be a fan for a long time at the start of the video. Like, at 0:00 to 1:00

i rly this people overhype the "trained on dataset" thing ... people who do animations also learn by looking at certain styles they wanna do ... everyone learns at something and everyone uses a style that others used before and no one said "well for this i looked up this this and this" ... they said where its from and thats more then enough i think

​@@DaxRaider It's more like "people are using art to train AI without artist consent AND ALSO aren't crediting them". Artists learn from other artists too, but unless they're intentionally just copying, there will always be a personal twist that makes the art style unique to that person. And don't get it wrong, even when they're intentionally copying or heavily referencing other people's works, credit is still expected. I've seen many young artists get bashed for imitating or heavily referencing an artist's art style without crediting them (including myself when I was younger). It's not a complaint unique to AI art. I personally don't think the AI itself is the problem, I think AI could be very useful for both artists and non-artists. It's mostly the people using it and the lack of ethics around making AI generated art that I imagine most of us have a problem with.

Honestly. It could be the next camera for artist. Think of it like this. You have artist with their own personal ai trained on their art. Visiters can have the ai make something trained on that art work for like a dollar or so. If they want to gine tune it they would have to pay more, and that money goes to the artist and maybe a percentage goes to the company that provides it. The artist finally has some money coming in and are still motivated to draw to add to the library and to engage their audience. Everyone would win, sadly everyone would rather screw over artists like they always do

pretty sure fate, demon slayer are considered one of the best animated.

@@QWERTY-gp8fd never heard people talk about fate that way, but demon slayer has the benefit of being immensely popular on top of looking great. Though just look at any event where another anime brings in 3D: Chainsaw Man, Attack on Titan, Nier Automata A1, Gundam The Origin, and many more. While in time it has died down, there was hell in the comments upon initial release for some of them and AoT was another story entirely when the first CG titans started appearing

@@Herr_Gamer demon slayer has 3d though

@@QWERTY-gp8fd yeah but as I said it still, from what I’ve seen, looks great and the 3d doesn’t seem to clash with the 2d as much as it often does in other series. Plus, again, the immense popularity it has helps. Since a good portion of it’s viewers, like with Attack on Titan are «casual» anime fans (meaning either very new fans or they don’t interract with the communities), they may not know whether or not to expect anything else. Plus if the first anime you see is Demon Slayer, you won’t start off with such a negative or elitist view on 3d

@@Herr_Gamer why u think it got popular in first place.

It's evolving parabolically tough. Dalle 2 didn't exist 4 months ago. No one even new about these things. Now we're watching video essays talking about if they will replace animators or not. Imagine 4 months from now.

To be fair, this tech is new and can evolve. But I think human input is still needed. The tech can start the foundation and the animator can fix the flaws

You can't tell me that people wouldn't watch a show of the exact same quality of what Corridor Crew produced if they did it as more than just a joke. The quality issues are at best, of minimal distraction. And AI is advancing incredibly fast.

Coming in both as an artist and a programmer, I must say that whatever those douchebags said about just switching careers are just a bit too shortsighted regarding AI art. While I can see the potential of AI art, there are a lot of issues that needed to be fixed, including ethical ones, and that just because you can generate something straight from AI, doesn't mean its going to look good when inspected closely or that its going to match the vision that the person had in mind. I have been using AI art generators for some time already, and there are some things that I have observed and views that were made regarding this. Most people who use these tools have no idea how to actually make art, and for the most part, would just generate them straight from prompt, with the only condition being that it has to look "good". While it does deliver, there are a lot of weird things that give it away, no matter how much the tech improves, like shadows being in the wrong place, or lines being weirdly consistent throughout without variation, etc. Another thing is that it was actually useful in my workflow whenever I need something done, like generate ideas for a very specific area, look through some poses and actually see those adjustments made in real time, create a basic compositional idea for my piece, etc. And while those kind of problems in AI exist when generating, it takes an artistic eye to actually spot those mistakes and guide the AI into the output that you wanted, may it be inpainting, prompt engineering, or the new paint with words feature that allowed greater compositional control. There are issues that needed to be solved with AI art of course, like the ethics regarding models, copyright, and many more, but once those are resolved, I just hoped that artists would see the potential of using such a tool to create more imaginative works that none of us would comprehend, though I must note that we have to be reminded that they are nothing more than tools, and whoever wields it determines the nature of the tool, may it be good or evil. And if you are not comfortable using this, then that would be alright, since the art that we would create as humans would continue to increase in value as AI art continues to flood the market, to the point that quality control would be out of the question when all that companies cared about are the profits that they would make. When that happens, people would start to be disgusted about the good looking crap that's all over the place, which in turn, would allow them to turn to artists who actually knew what they were doing and that would be able to provide them with art that they would actually like. We are not going to be replaced, and neither tech nor companies is going to change that, nor will the whole dystopian view of the future, where art doesn't exist and only companies have full control over every piece of media, ever come to pass, if ever. We just need to improve our skills, communicate in a healthy fashion with the community, and never let anyone put you down. At the same time, we would need to adapt to the situation at hand, maybe try out AI art generators if you had the chance, go a bit deeper in how they work and find some way to improve your art through it, or don't, depending on your views in the matter. Companies will continue to put out crap in the name of money, but we have the passion and skills to rival them; and they cannot stop art, no matter what they do.

This is why the human element of AI is the worst. AI supporters hate artists, every action and word they say is evidence of it. They're immature and shortsighted just because they are desperate to justify their own amoral and hateful actions rather than have any kind of thoughtful discussion about why they might be wrong. They're fucking disgusting people, honestly.

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Carefull what you wish for

because you realized that other people could also do that, maybe potentially even better than you?

even if that was the case we're not even sure if the image inside our head is clear, it's rather abstract and vauge most of the time. ( not to mention at least one percent of the population can't produce mental images inside their head like a regular person does, which is about 79 million of em )

@@mike_theskinny8646 I guess I represent the 1% because my head is literally the database of my stories.

@@8qk67acq5 it might not be perfect but look at how far it’s gotten in a relatively short time. Google Translate can translate whole sentences now, with varying accuracy, but it’s an evolving process and will just get better. Translators are still better, but big companies like saving money

@@scarletcroc3821 I would say that with the creation of ChatGPT, translation as a profession is more at risk than ever. MTL is usually garbage because while the process has gotten better, it's still mostly doing a word for word translation. With something like ChatGPT, which basically understand how a language is supposed to sound and can also deal with nuance? Yeah, translators might truly become an endangered species in places that have access to the tech.

I mean yeah ok. But life moves on if theres no demand for a human translator compared to an instant free app then it is what it is. This sort of thing happens all the time. And the animation industry is basically nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Let's be real here. Every translator does the same thing: put the text into google Translate, and touch up the result. Some sentences will have to be rewritten. Some words changed, but Google Translate is doing a fantastic job. I always use it translating longer texts between languages I speak. And it works fabulous, I wouldn't trust it to be 100% correct though.

Thing is self-checkout isn't really automating the work of a cashier. It's making the customer become the cashier. And the one watching it over is mostly just the security guard

But you no longer need cashiers now. Just a security guard to be sure people don't leave without paying. Comparing to how many people worked before, some will definitely be kicked out.

@Player 10 the people who get "kicked out," assuming you mean the former workers being fired to pay for more self checkouts, also need to work to make money to pay rent and eat. If there is no alternative to working for food and automation takes all of those jobs, how are those people supposed to survive in a such a society?

@@mikemead7200 Ideally the stagnation of the population would be directly proportional to the automation of jobs, but this is the sort of thing that needs to be talked about

@@Player-re9mo As it turns out, cashiers are still needed because elderly, disabled, technologically illiterate, and outright, how-do-they-tie-their-shoes stupid people still can't use self-check, and self-check is also terrible for large orders because the bagging area is very very limited in capacity. also a lot of people prefer someone trained at bagging to do the bagging. Self-check is basically, at least ideally, useful as an express lane that you only need one employee for that can process several customers at once. however, there are customers who have no business using self-check, who nevertheless use it. Necessitating that poor person manning self-check to dart between terminals solving problems. People are FUCKING STUPID. this is the thing that grocery executives high on the potential of self-check don't get. People are morons. just, stupider than you ever imagined. People walk into grocery stores leaving their brain somewhere else. I am genuinely wondering if people subconsciously think it's appropriate to turn off key critical thinking processes in their brain when they enter a store. It's that bad. And that's why there's a limit to how much tech can viably replace humans in a retail situation. Tech can't really help morons. Only patient humans have that capacity.

I can tell you from expierience that you are absolutly wrong in case of tokyo revengers. Those fans are like zealots on a crusade to prove how much of a masterpiece it is.

Yeah but the tools exist, and they will find themselves part of every industry regardless of how much we cry on the internet. Corridors approach if implemented widely at least keeps Digital Artists, 3D artists, modelers, and compositors employed. Yeah, it gets rid of the animators but just substitutes them for filmmakers (Director, DP, grip, dolly, etc) and costume designers. We have to use AI as a tool for creatives instead of a tool that creates so that the industry adapts to that need, because if we don't it's only a matter of time before it replaces everyone.

The anime industry of today is so utterly soulless and corporate that AI will probably introduce more creative shows due to the lower barrier of entry. If anime becomes cheaper to make, then there will be a higher number of creative (and thus higher risk) anime being produced.

@@backthrust1116 hm... that unfortunately makes alot of sense (as someone who knows about the inner hell that is anime studio development)

@@backthrust1116 have you actually even watched the crap that they call modern cartoon's ? were as what loony toon's was way back when

🤔w/ anime genres, qualms, cliches, typifies or distinctions, yea if an AI is asked to create one itll provided one that is reminiscent.

I won't be watching any of that AI shit

corridor did nothing wrong, this video is full of misinformation

​@@mawrak Cope harder

​@Blurryface Aww poor fan boy triggered?

You say you are a fan of Corridor yet you don't get that their video titles are overexxagerated on purpose.

Well dont get me wrong either, I also love Geoff. I'm simply stating my side, not claiming that everything Geoff believes is wrong. I've disagreed with him many a time before, as I do here, but you're entitled to your own opinion, and so is Geoff. I also don't fully believe that he believes his own takes as 'the pinnacle' or anything, but this is an opinion piece, which states his opinion. If anything, in this type of video is the best place for Geoff to have a somewhat loud tone, cause he is making his point. I love both creators, and simply want neither of them to be seen as 'wrong', cause I don't think there is a wrong party here.

Yeah, the problem with a lot of these conversations is that some people are talking about art as a thing that is experienced by the creator, which AI can't take away, and others art talking about art as a product consumed and the jobs that create that art, which AI will likely will take away.

honestly well said fellow human

AI art has a very interesting position as far as morality goes. Yeah, this sort of stuff is inevitable at this point, but there are clearly some ways we could improve the experience of making art for the consumer, creators, and even the tools themselves

I genuinely do not get how because AI can be abused in “bad” ways it thus can’t be used in “good” ways. Why couldn’t we create more expressive unique uses of the AI?

@@TheJamcentral1 idk bro, why not focus on AI to do fucking taxes, why something so human like art, music, writing…

They'll wake up and focus on money. The same thing they aren't just trained to do or are encouraged to do - it's the thing they *must* do to get ahead of the next guy in their industry doing the same thing. People talk about 'late stage capitalism' for a reason.

Except, openAI can already run on any person's computer seperate from company servers and wont be effected by any of that. Turns out, open source things have some benefits

It's really scary that the discourse around AI chatbots and image generators is turning them into sci fi "super intelligences" and they want to have them making political or economical decisions on a macro scale. Not scary because this might come true. But scary because they will use the stupid AI chatbots as scapegoats for their terrible decisions. It's the perfect scam.

@@aidanquiett668 openAI is not open source, unlike the name suggests and even if it were, most consumer graphics cards wouldn't be able to run their stuff.

That is just entirely ignoring stable diffusion / stability ai

Plus Corridor, Shadversity and other channels that support this also shill for NFTs. Down with them!

Decent companion series would be Vivy: Fluorite Eye`s Song. Opposite take on the concept.

@@ryllharu yeah, vivy is basically “what if an android gains a heart.”

Yes seeing how ai is been developing, everytime that show cones up in my mind. I just hope it doesn't go that far or it will be a sad future

If it makes you feel better almost every career is likely going to be automated in 10 years.

@@aminulhussain2277 and we'll all have UBI and live happily ever after. Any more fairytales?

@@dark0al097 No. Because what I was talking about is reality.

​@@aminulhussain2277That definitely didn't make it any better.

The thing mr basement keeps ignoring is that the process Corridor created for the video isn't "put prompt into ai, ai spits out completely animated content". There's still artistic intent in the process, just not in the creation of the actual images. Some of the things they did with the camerawork in order to emulate the insane angles and foreshortening in anime is actually really clever and an interesting process. I would MUCH rather watch a show that looks like Anime Rock Paper Scissors than the 3D CG anime that gets spat out on Netflix at a constant basis. Mr basement saw something he didn't like, decided to get angry about it and then he stopped thinking.

Unfortunately, that’s not true in the long run. Right now it absolutely is, but the key thing about AI is that it is artificial intelligence and the way AI learns isn’t that dissimilar to the way humans learn. Our brains use electrical signals to transport information and data just like a computer does. The difference is our brains are currently far more complex than we understand or are able to replicate. We’re only really cracking the surface of what AI can do and it is still very much in its infancy. If someone was able to create a true artificial brain that replicated everything about a humans brain, you could argue that AI like that would be indistinguishable from a human and would be able to learn, imagine, create and evolve in the same way people do. That’s the end goal of AI. To be clear, I do not think we are anywhere near this. I have no idea how long something like this would take, it may be 20 years, it may be 20,000 years, and I’m also not saying it’s a good thing, I’m just pointing out that at some point in the future that comment won’t be applicable.

@@RAGEAlanBun but that's not how humans work, that's the point, we don't know and maybe never will how human art evolves. this is the problem of trying to "logic" everything, you cannot recreate a human brain with ai, because we don't even know how a human brain fully works yet. ai is like a rudimentary sims game compared to real life. sure, maybe one day, million years into the future? maybe we'll crack the code of life and answer the question of existance, but that's obviously not the point here.

@@3Diana exactly. I’m not saying it will happen now, I think we’re a long way away, but the goal of AI is to emulate a human brain. If you told the romans about the internet and AI they wouldn’t believe something like that was real. I think it’s the same with us. We can’t really imagine an AI even being like a human because we don’t even fully understand a human brain fully yet. I don’t think we’re talking millions of years especially since these things move at exponential rates once we start to understand and develop it. You’ll be shocked at how fast progress will happen here. We might not be able to recreate a full brain in our lifetime but these things will come on at an astounding rate in the future. But it absolutely is theoretically possible to develop an AI that works exactly like a brain, just not something we can ACTUALLY do just yet.

That's only until we teach AI to evolve, which we undoubtedly will.

@@RAGEAlanBun AI cannot make art. It can never be art. It literally isn't human. The use of AI to create “art” has about the same artistic value as someone ordering a pizza online. Writing key words and the names of real artists in a text box and having an unfeeling robot spit out an image for you will never make you an artist. It is an algorithmic aggregator of actual art by humans. It is fundamentally theft. Human artists looking at art and incorporating it into their works is not the same as how AI trains on stolen art, because humans aren’t godless abominations like AI. We have to spend actual effort and hard work on learning from other artists, whereas an unliving software can only calculate the patterns it is programmed to observe in a database of a billion images and randomizes the pixels. You cannot look me in the eye and tell me that is in any way comparable to how real human artists learn. If I own a bonsai nursery and employ a hundred tree shapers, tell them all to create a right leaning bend, no limbs inside the bend, from a dragon maple, I will get a hundred different results; and even if they are all legally my trees on paper, each tree had a different artist, and their work is not for me to claim: except in the case of AI you can’t even legally own it, so it’s doubly worthless aside from being a hollow shell of what real art is supposed to look like. This isn’t gatekeeping: art has an accepted dictionary definition, and AI can never fulfill the requirements of that definition. Art is defined as the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination; with AI, you take out the skill, the creativity, and most importantly, the human experience. You’re taking a shortcut to get pretty images that mean nothing and will never mean anything. This isn’t to say that anime character commissions on Twitter aren’t more worthy and valuable than AI images, because they are. All artistic works created by human hands have value at their foundation. AI has no value, because there can be no effort, passion, or meaning behind anything it “creates.” AI images will never be art. You will never be an artist unless you pick up a pencil and draw. People will see the images you generate and they will always know that they aren’t real. You’ll never have any way to prove the validity of your “work,” because it will never be valid to begin with. You will never be a real artist unless you get off your lazy ass and learn how to make real art. Thirty years from now people will appreciate hand-made art infinitely more than whatever soulless tripe a corporate robot can generate. Real art will never die and you cannot kill it. Nothing will ever change this.

You’re right that I overemphasized my own negative feeling on this specific short up front; if I could do the video over I’d get into the ethical and labour issues a lot quicker. Not that I don’t stand by my assessment of the visuals, but emphasizing it gives proponents of AI tech an excuse to tune everything else out.

Humanity gradually continues to "prove" as a whole that the world would likely be better off without it, so sadly this might be the best case scenario, at least for the other animals.

In the name of progress we jump off the precipice.

That depends on a number of factors. 3d is made to be used by artists, while AI is seemingly made to be used by non artists. If AI was designed from an artist's perspective, then yes, it could be the next level, but as it is so far, it doesn't have much of an use to artists, while it does seem to be good at giving non artists the ability to make their own art. 3d art wasn't designed to replace artists, just to be a tool, but AI so far is designed to replace artists.

I think anything touched by AI makes it difficult to determine what parts were made by human effort at all. It'll get harder to tell the difference.

Would you recommend watching it subbed or dubbed?

@@archlectoryarvi2873 Honestly, I recommend dubbed. The songs are in English either way.