AI "Anime" -For Scum, By Scum (re: Corridor & Netflix, Mother's Basement) 

I think this would be a good space to post some of your favorite artists, animators, musicians, youtube channels etc. below. I'd point you to one of our editors axel beats, he just dropped a SIX HOUR video on one piece, very cool. also check out beyond ghibli and caribou kun, good anime space friends of ours. and of course my fiance @ghostsaibu on twitter.

I would love for AI to be inserted into the traditional animation workflow in a way that makes the end product better and lightens the load of monotonous work on the animators.

Okay I've watched both Yours and Jeff's videos and... both of these videos just sound like a personal rant, or going with the trend of hating AI cuz internet told You to. I'm sorry but it just feels like it for me. Both of You somehow skip the fact that Corridor team spent 2 months of life of at least 7 crew members and external artists to create and tell a STORY (I will emphasise this word in my comment often, thats why I will cap it). It included figuring out AI tool, prepare the pipeline, create storyline, shoot live performance, prepare costumes, get enviro renders to then convert it with AI to fit the style of whole animation, add actual VFX (like smokes, impacts etc.). Please don't be so delusional to think that it takes 2 clicks in AI generator to create such an animation... Also thourghout this whole video I believe You are missing the point of art. Because what art is? Its subjective - right, but what does one wants to convey throught art? Going to the root of what art was, is and will be used for. Usualy to tell a STORY, or convey some kind of message, with emotion that one feels at the moment of creating a piece. So this whole AI drama is actually the best exaple of gatekeeping art from people who as (people who are against AI described) didn't spend much or enough time to improve their craft. Wasn't willing to stay persistent at practicing. They should have cut down on their sleep, physical and mental health, their job to pay their rent, so that they can acquire skills needed to get the image, message or STORY out of their heads into physical thing. Now about this whole talk about "average" people. You see "average" people have dreams, fantasies and stories that they would like to tell as well as artists. Now canceling AI because every third movie or animation or other piece of art shows how bad AI will become and that it will replace human soul in every aspect of living is exagerated hyperbolization. Its actual regression instead of progression in terms of making art more accesible to people, and making art more fun instead of frustrating. Some people say that embracing pain and frustration while creating something is essence of art - it might be, but I will always comeback to the root of why is art used for - to tell a STORY. You can tell a STORY which took 40 years to make, kudos to You for persistance and true passion for Your craft, but it looks like Your ultimate goal is to do it, not to tell it... Or You can tell the same STORY in 6 months if You research the tools that will make it a reality in this period of time. Another thing is take for example people with disability, who physically can not utilise available manual tools to get their ideas out of their heads. Are they condemned to forever just... dream about their stories and keep their emotions inside? AI is here to stay fortunately, or unfortunately - depents on perspective, and now it is up to artists to adapt - as they did thoughout history. When photography was invented. When photoshop enabled Ctrl+Z if You made a mistake, When synthesizers and samples replaced any instrument, and now finally when there is open to anyone tool that can help You on Your artist journey to make Your vision more accesible. You can adapt and learn how to use it to Your advantage or You can be the hate it till end of times for creating a model which ISN'T ABLE TO create 1:1 copy of someone else's art (which is plagiarism) but create a fresh concept out of billions of pixels it went through, and its up to Your personal beliefs and taste to decide if its "good enough for what I imagined", after it gives You a visual version of Your prompt. Choice is individual. Big corporations care only about money and animators are not being paid enough for their job - well it always has been like that and now placing a responsibility for this situation on AI is another shallow argument to cancel AI and to call Corridor crew a scum - especially considdering content they do, helping artists all over the world, bringing insight to industry "How To", talking with great artists, debunking how shots are made and giving it all for free on RU-vid. As for the training data of the models. Yes it feels sketchy as to how those images are acquired, but come on - if that's the case why does google graphics still stands? Im sure that in Google's terms of use if a website is using content Indexing for the page to be available in search engine - they have some paragraph about consentually using graphics used on website. Sure it has links to website on which the image is shown, but what if the author of this page took it as well from somewhere else, this time not mentioning the true author? Getting paid for consenting to use one's art in AI training is valid point, but then also its very similar case to right-click > Save as image as some people in comments pointed out regarding their avatar pictures - is this theft? Its more slippery when they use it for commertial use or to get paid for it (which is obviously fucked up) - but preventing AI from being accesible to people who just wants to have blue-eyed dragon drinking water from pot of greed on top of Mt. Everest is not really the way to go. Sorry for long comment, but I think there are a lot of negatives that people see and don't want to see positives, so I believe and I encourage You all to have a cup of tea and calmly think over the whole situation with objectivity and no destructive clairvoyance and predictions about this topic. Also there is in my opinion awesome video by Royal Skies that Voices Over Steven Zapata's "Argument agains AI" which as objective as it can get when it comes to this whole situation: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F-i09Nz96cw.html

Title: AI 'Anime' - For Scum, By Scum. Inflammatory, angry, accusatory, derogatory. Very easily interpreted as the title of a video from someone who wants to rant, not start a reasonable discussion. Opening statement: Today I wanted to start a little bit of a discussion... Really? I'm already getting mixed messages. Majority of video: Thoughtful, familiar content about not letting AI take over the art industry. 24:24: It's important to come together as a community and discuss this is ways that aren't volatile or like, one sentence smack-downs... Me: Glances again at the title AI 'Anime' - For Scum, By Scum. Dude, what?? Your title was even more click-baity than Corridor Crew's.

How a person can see what corridor crew did and compare it to a get rich quick scheme is beyond me. Just because they took some still frames from an anime you are forgetting how they shot everything, voice acted it and composited it all together. There is a lot of artistry and a lot of heart behind what they did, I think more so than some of the soulless Isekai that are coming out every season now.

You absolutely cannot put 'joe biden anime reacts' in my head and not do it please make that happen dawg

For me, AI is just a tool and will never actually replace the work of humans. Even in Corridor's video, the "AI" only acted as a glorified filter while they still had to film the whole thing themselves & voice act. It's not as if they just typed a prompt and got the whole video out without any work themselves. Much like how computers revolutionised art into the digital age, AI will do the same. There will be obvious ethical issues as it becomes more prominent but make no mistake that eventually, it will just be another tool in an artist's toolset. In a way, it's sort of like how people argue for and against traditional vs digital animation, and how anime nowadays don't have that "classic" hand-drawn look anymore, or how anime nowadays look too "clean". Even movies like Avatar has and incorporates AI in the production process and that looks freaking incredible. Again, AI is a tool, how you use or don't use it is purely up to you. Corridor's video was honestly just a "fun" video for me, rather than being something serious. It's not as if a movie studio did this while try to pass it off as "human work".

Giant Douch? No they are proud creators showing what they pulled off with what is essentially an 8 month old technology. Give them a year and you'll start questioning your existence. They have the right to double down because this is big. Also look up Wonder Dynamics. They made an AI that's a far more advance version of the rigging Vtubers do. You cannot stop AI no matter how much you cry. It's advancing so fast the law can't keep up anymore.

I was super happy that Geoff brought this up in his videos but AI is quickly becoming a boogieman of sorts in the indie art world. As an aspiring author I eagerly await the day I manage to get one of my stories published in a genre magazine or website. That'll mean that I am on my way. Clarkesworld, one of the biggest, fastest, highest quality and most responsive story venues had to COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN accepting any short stories for the foreseeable future because they were being DROWNED in AI generated trash. I could tell there was an issue for a while. Since sometime around the pandemic Clarkesworld really slowed down their response times. It used to take only a day or two to get a yes or no about your submission. The last story I sent in to them took like 2 months. What is happening now is something akin to if Shonen Jump had to stop taking on new series because they were being DROWNED in more robot created garbage than they could possibly go through in an entire life time. Its like if a small group of people had to manually go through all of the RU-vid videos, the millions upon millions uploaded constantly, every single second. Its just too much for anyone, let alone the small scale businesses that make up the backbone of the up and coming scifi/fantasy/horror writing community. Its a real issue and it's got me really spooked about the future. Thanks for talking about this, y'all. You are the best and you always give me hope for the future, despite everything going on in the present.

I have valued your reviews so far, but this is too far. Your arguments are so narrow and self-serving, they border on manipulative. It's a pity really, that all your points are half-baked and don't cover what actually went into the work. Sure AI was used as a tool, but the short film was made by PEOPLE.

I hate the absolute acceptance of mediocrity in our modern media landscape and complete lack of empathy towards artists in general.

These takes like yours are extremely boomer mindset. "Real art takes struggle"? Okay then we'll go build your own guitar and discover all the music theory on your own. AI is just a tool that streamlines process. It is going to be used and curated in creative ways by humans and that is art.

I honestly see hate or dislike towards AI art from artists completely hypocritical. Every single artists has influences and references baked into every piece of art they create. The way AI composes its images is the same way we artists create just at a smaller scale. Any artist that holds legitimate dislike for this technology better not have ever created a Pinterest account for mood-boards or ever used an art tutorial to help develop their skills or used an art book or attended any art class. If Corridor owes the created of Vampire Hunter then does that mean the studio behind the movie owes every anime studio, animator, or any person who had a hand in influencing the style they molded together for the film? If AI art is considered unethical, then by all means explain to me how the art us artists create is not unethical in some shape or form? Show me an artist that creates works of art that doesn't have influences from past artists and references from the world we live in.

It's no longer about more of the money but about these massive media companies making all of the money. Unfortunately, one of the main ways of reducing costs and bumping profits is by reducing the workforce. It wouldn't surprise me if these board members saw this sort of stuff and started questioning why they pay their artists regardless of the quality of the product.

"Corridor Digital was on Twitter doubling down and being giant douchebags" -BP "Ai 'Anime'- for Scum by Scum" -BP My issue with the coverage of the CD video is kinda multi-faceted. First, I feel that a surprising number of people who covered this topic impune the audience as less than for enjoying. "People without taste"- MB, "Scum"- BP, Etc. AI art as is is theft. That is true. What CD used was on par with a filter. At that point, it's replicating the actual motion and even the outfits of the actors. At most, if the backgrounds in the short were AI Generated, that would be fair to target, but that's not where we are in this discussion. Frankly, this was a passion project where acted out the motions and directed/edited together the scenes to make it as "anime" as possible. They used SCs from the VH-D to make their "AI" filter. I think, at the very least, this qualifies as transformative. Is Sampling in the music industry theft? I've heard songs that sampled other music, (especially from gaming OSTs) some of which with 0 alteration on the OG sound itself, but because they sang over it and added other sounds with it, it now is transformative, and I don't hear people talking about that. Art is incredibly subjective, and seeing the general attitude exhibited by content creators from our community being "This appeals to people who like Trash" is somehow more annoying than people who act like arthouse films are the only good films. Second, comparing the "AI Filter" CD used to NFTs is nonsensical. NFTs were made exclusively to be a "speculative investment" structured like a house of cards relying on a bigger sucker buying from the previous to turn a profit. It's a scam. The "AI filter" was used as a tool for self-expression. I think we're going to get nowhere if we get hung up on every single form of this system that's coming out. We need to be clear on what makes AI art theft and hammer that home. Instead, by going after CD and treating the whole project, they worked on in good faith as purely the product of AI art, instead of focusing on the aspects that come across as stolen (Background, etc), we are vilifing people who still don't understand what they did wrong. If the issue is taken with the "AI" filter as well, then there needs to be a discussion on how that is theft as well. I'm willing to wager most people reading this comment (myself included), might have a profile picture of art made by someone else not commissioned by us. Is that not theft? I'm sure even more people took memes or art made by someone else and shared it with friends without crediting the author? Hell, the source we got that art or meme from might not have been the actual author and shared it without credit. By sharing the stolen image, is that not theft? I think some introspection should probably be done when it comes to this topic, but as it stands, the shallow opinions and takes I keep seeing are a lot like plenty of anime coming out lately. Rushed and made by people feeling the weight of an industry that wants them to produce quality without proper compensation. I hope everybody has a wonderful day.

What is even the point of the argument that AI isn't actually intelligent? Did everyone forgot what the A stands for in AI? Thousands of production artists draw in-between frames, game assets, touch-ups, and most of those types of work also doesn't involve any creativity but is absolutely an art job for artists. The kicker is that somehow discrediting AI art somehow bring legitimacy to the argument that it's bad. It's a tool, and can be used for both good and bad. Morale issues lies in the operator, not the entire technology segment.

their video felt more like a passion project than them actually trying to change the industry they put actual effort in to it, i doubt they meant to cause this much trouble

What's weird to me is how people say stupid shit like "it's a get rich quick scheme", when Corridor basically giveaway the techniques they used for free. On top of this, they show a behind the scenes on everything they did that happened behind the scenes. The backgrounds were created by third party artists, the VFX were basically done entirely by the Corridor crew, and the the only thing that the stable diffusion was used for was basically an anime-esque filter over their two actors. All the camera angles, cuts, edits, sound, etc were all done by them. Ya'll acting like they just clicked a button and all this stuff came out. There's a ton of technical and creative work in how they created this short film, yet it's being treated like they shot your puppy. The funniest thing is that a lot of industry vets have come out saying the same thing that Corridor did, that this is another tool in the toolbox and can open the door for more creativity. Ya'll are being close minded and not seeing this for the technical achievement it is. This isn't a one click solution, there is still a need for technical knowhow, cinematography, and creativity in writing/story structure as well as how to mesh all of these things together into a complete production.

Are you for real calling Corridor Crew scum for doing something as trivial as using AI and being fully transparent about it? You’re lost.

Overall this is a pretty shallow and cherrypicked take, which tracks with unscripted stuff. So I get that, but many points here are little more than "They aren't doing it the way I would do it." or talking about the details so shallowly or vaguely that it disregards many other facets of the conversation, especially the work that went into the video in question. 17:00 minutes into the video and you have yet to talk about all the aspects of the creation of Corridor's video, it's just "they used AI" and "AI jsut does it for you" sorta comments. You don't talk about concepting or scripting or acting or anything. No chat about how they payed the artist for the cathedral assets, thus continuing to support parts of the creator economy. This video sits on the narrow thesis of: AI filter applied, so it's bad. Sure that's relevant because that's what is creating the anime aesthetic and that's very relevant to Bonsai Pop and this community, but that's also essentially setting up the idea that anime is defined solely by its visual aesthetic. If that was so disproportionately important then why was Pop Team Epic so popular? Why doesn't everyone love Mamoru Hosoda's films? Why is there an evergreen debate between subs vs dubs? Why can an anime start strong and finish poorly? This is to say that this conversation around Corridor's creation as an affront against all things sacred is not being terribly considerate to the complexities of creating art with AI. In fact in this video many times you speak of it similarly to the memes and other random output most commonly associated with AI. But similarity doesn't tell the whole story. Do I think there's a debate to be had about scraping images without consent? Absolutely, it's stealing. So, if in fact all Corridor did was scrape Vampire Hunter D then I definitely think THAT ASPECT of it isn't ok, but as soon as the conversation deviates from that it's very doomy, gloomy, "it isn't my way so harumpf" in its trajectory. If you wrote a song on a stolen guitar you STILL wrote it, sang it and performed it on the strengths of multiple of your own skills. I like personal take videos, I think it's sweet to see more creator personality and uniqueness in a channel. Next time though I think you'd benefit from at least the bullet points.

Why the constant direct attacks to Corridor Crew? Get rich schemes? Make an ugly video? The animation qhile janky in some parts was really fun. In that point the popularity of the video shows how many people liked it, and many want a continuation. This video and MB video at some point kinda to boils down to personal attacks for no reason. People wont take you seriously when that happens.

One could argue that what they made is art in a sense because it is a film even if an artists style is copied it doesn't really count as stealing as its a new creation as a whole. I don't really see the problem here they made a creation that was special to them. If they would like to sell something that people want then why should we tell them what to do. (Also calling it ugly is hippocritical because you said you like the art style it was taken from, while you could say it's inconsistent you can't really say it's ugly and stay credible)

Corridors it did something incredible and I don’t know why people are mad it’s not like AI did all the work . The camera set up and scripting still made by humans

My sample size is small, but it seems like the actual artists responding to the Corridor situation just see it as a useful tool similar to motion capture. Diffusion is useful if you are pitching an idea or for saving time, but it isn't the end product. It won't actually threaten jobs anymore than motion capture did.

I remember a time when people insisted on saying that digital art wasn't art, because it was too "easy" to do on a computer. I'm just going to say this.

The usa presidents making anime and game tier lists have been my guilty pleasure this entire week lol great vid y'all are really cool. What I really want to see from A.I is small indie human artists use this tech to create things they can't finance themselves, for example an indie game dev who cant afford voice acting can do A.I. voice overs. It wont be perfect of course, might not get emotions right but would work fine on a game like Mount And Blade Warband or Outward... It gives small creators a new tool that might help make up for the lack of investments and funds

All these ignorant AI simps in the comments. 🤦🏾‍♂️

In defense of the Corridor Crew, they are visual effects artists. What they do is an art form. To make Rock Paper Scissors they wrote a script, then acted it out applied AI then used VFX to fine tune it then they scored it! AI was one of many tools employed to create this short film. I think it’s unfair to say what they created was not art! It was a lot of hard work! They didn’t just type a prompt and an AI spit out a movie.

That title kinda disrespectful my guy just saying

My goodness you are such a hatter, Corridor didn't do this out of the box they worked to do it, and they didn't boast about it, they also gave a tutorial on it so anyone can lean, they just used tool that are available and u are this salty about it.?

Am I the only one who thinks AI stuff is cool? For literally decades people have been scared of ai anything replacing them and it doesn’t really happen. There’s always some level of human involvement that is always necessary. Hell its like in Elden Ring I made a face for my character I wasn’t satisfied with and i use the random face generator to find one and tweak it more. I don’t understand why so many people are having a knee jerk reaction to this. I mean hell the anime angles are editing and great camera work which Corridor has always been fantastic at, it isnt solely the ai at play here, its the human element in there.

The guys who did it are excellent artists who just tried something new. If they did it for money, well, that's another thing, but they are great 3d artists, motion designers and video editors. Corridor is known for amazing vfx reels, so I don't think we're able to judge what they are or do based only on this AI stuff

Start out by mentioning how Jeff made a "very good response video" is a bad move imo. Man was too in his own feelings to see things objectively. Theres a good chance AI generated media will become the new norm, and like I said on his video, I'm sure there's a lot of 2D artists that scoffed at 3D media as well when it was first coming out. "Changing animation forever" is a bit dramatic but its not wrong either. I think you both just need to not take this stuff so seriously.

honestly, I think AI is perfect for helping out with tedious animation gruntwork, but should ABSOLUTELY NOT be used for "designing", faking artstyles, and other stuff where quality is inherently linked to human imagination and creativity.

"The average person likes trash". I think is more accurate to say that the average person just tolerate it, they prefer it over boredom and that's enough

These techbros and AI fans basically want the fame and success of being a popular artist without making the effort of picking up a pencil. Paying money for all this tech to cut corners. And it shows.

I think my biggest issue with this whole ai art debate is how a lot of people try to gaslight artists into thinking theyre somehow gatekeeping by trying to defend their jobs and craft. A lot of us had to make huge sacrifices and devote a big chunk of our lives to this craft to even have the chance to get a job - and even then work conditions are often not ideal and artists especially get exploited enough already as is. This community is very welcome to newcomers and people willing to learn and put in the work but to call us entitled or conservative because we are legitimately scared for our future just show a astounding lack of empathy. Art is a extension of human connection and communication and to automize and industrialize it erradicates every meaning it holds for me. Its also not something that is easy for us to give up. Its not a simple hobby or job - to a lot of artists their craft is as much a need like eating and drinking. This may sound melodramatic but im not saying this for fun. If I had to give up drawing or couldnt do it as much as im doing it currently I would loose it eventually lol.

Damn, again. I thought I would get some smart takes from this video, but it seems that people in the anituber community seem to shortcircuit on this topic and stop being rational. You said at the beginning that you don't mind AI, but in the later parts of the video it is clear that your very uncomfortable with it. You even compare it with NFTs, which is a hughe L. I never thought about using NFTs in my personal life, but use AI all the time, it quite stupid to reduce it to a get rich quick scheme, just because some people use it that well, and I bet its not even that high when you look at the number of users for only chatgpt. I also don't really know why you argue that its not AI, everyone thinks its AI and if you don't use the definitions, you can't really talk about it. I could write an explanation for almost every point you made, but that's enough for me already, and I'm certain others already talke about your points. Huge L video, kind of sad, because you don't seem to be a bad guy.

Kinda insane that Artists are now complaining the same thing factory workers did back as robots replaced them. We are truly reaching a new level with technology.

What's stopping animators from going independent using this or starting their own studios? If the argument is studios and companies can reduce a workforce, the people in that workforce can start doing their own thing. Like the difference between podcasts and radio, an artist is free to take risks that studios are to chicken shit to take. It's the bosses that are in trouble not the animators because the studio content has more to compete against. While one is worried about being advertiser friendly and all that BS, the independents can go in any direction they like. For example Syama Pederson who made Astartes and Otaking who made the Tie Fighter animated short. Instead of taking a job with some company, taking on bosses who have their own ideas. They could train AI on their art style and put out more of their own work more frequently. Freelance artists and animators can now be fully independent or collaborate to start something for themselves. Looking at the ecosystem available right here on RU-vid with animators, musicians, actors, voice actors, editors, writers, directors, etc a few people can put together something great. Giving all these people a chance to work on something they'd otherwise probably never get to work on. The idea that the jobs at corporate are in trouble shouldn't be the narrow view people have. This obviously isn't going anywhere, but only going to get better so why not think about what it actually allows people to do. If this is the death of anything it's the death of the middleman imo, that middleman being the studio and those at the top. Company's and studios worry about their advertisers and marketability, the animators just have to worry about their project being good. And good is profitable.

The people that insult the ai anime is because they have no idea of how machine learning works, it is just ignorance.

Horrible take.

Calling corridor scum is already pretty hyperbolic, mistaking curiosity in new technology for malice and betrayal, the argument is ignorant to the actual work that did go into the video, it wasn’t just them typing in a prompt, they rotoscoped and essentially used a glorified filter, even though that’s less pain staking, chalking them up as effortless scum is a complete misunderstanding of their intentions, it was more of “let’s see if we can make this happen” not some quick money scheme

Here's what people don't seem to understand about Corridor's video and the process they shared. It's perfectly understandable if you're worried about big corporations abusing it to avoid paying animators, and it's understandable if you're an artist or animator worried about losing their livelihood. But let's be honest, as long as the potential for cutting costs and maximizing profits existed, this process or something similar was ALWAYS going to be discovered/abused by them. Ai is advancing at such a rapid rate, it was only a matter of time. But putting that aside for just a moment. What makes Corridor's video different, is it's literally a small passion project based on a silly idea by a handful of creative individuals. The result is truly harmless on its own, if you would watch their explanation video you would see they put tons of effort into the acting, composition, camera angles, editing, etc. It's not about 'not paying animators', it's about either using emerging technology to make their idea a reality, or never doing it in the first place. Animators and artists in general are underpaid, YES, that is an issue, but therefore it stands to reason that individual creatives with good intentions would not want to lowball and undervalue those artist's work, which is why it should be fair enough to see how unfeasible it is IN MOST CASES for a small team or much less a single creative individual to hire a professional animation studio. You can argue that if someone wants to make an animation, they should put in the hard work and learn to draw/animate, but surely some of you can see how telling people, regular average people, to dedicate the next several years of their lives into learning the craft by hand, all to make (potentially silly) animations like "Rock Paper Scissors" in their free time, is basically the same as telling people they don't deserve to have their ideas become reality unless they can afford it or trade years of their life for it? People like Niko the main guy at Corridor might have chosen a different artistic path, they might have dedicated their lives to learning video editing and filming with a camera, are you really saying that those people don't deserve to be able to turn their dream of an animated short into a reality unless they pivot their dedication into learning a whole new craft? Painters said the same thing about people who embraced the camera, that they should put in the years and struggle the same way the painters did if they want to capture images of life. But don't you see? It gave more people the opportunity to capture and share art, now we live in an age where people can even win photography contests with an image taken by their cellphone because that technology has been made more affordable and accessible. But you should see some of those gorgeous photos, they still take effort, skill and creativity to think of, set up and finally get the perfect shot. Finally, it's completely disingenuous to say that their video was not creative when they had to painstakingly conceptualize and create the project at every step of the way from start to finish, as I said earlier with acting, storyboarding, camera angles, video editing, etc, with the ai just serving as basically a visual filter overlayed on top. It's not MEANT to look perfect, and Corridor never meant it to replace actual animation, it's just a tool that people can use to make these kinds of passion projects more accessible. Yes we need to be wary of large corporations abusing ai and this new process, but we shouldn't so easily discount the potential creative freedom it can give to so many individuals with good intentions who genuinely love art, and just want to express themselves in a similar way to the animation they grew up with. I'd argue it would be a huge creative disservice to humanity if we banned all cameras for fear of how BigCorp and govs can use/abuse video recording technology. In the same way that Grandma deserves to see those pictures you took of the family at Thanksgiving, Niko of Corridor Digital deserved the chance to turn his dream into a reality, the Rock Paper Scissors short is fun and harmless, and we as a community need to focus our efforts on keeping ai advancements as open source for as long as we can, so that BigCorp can't make them proprietary. We should be angry at our own economy and societal structure for even setting the stage in the first place for these large companies to be so freely greedy and uncaring, trying to think of any which way they can screw over their employees and underpay artists. Ai is not the enemy, and I really urge you to do more research and try to understand not only where Corridor was coming from, but also the meaningful ways in which this new tech could present new opportunities to creative individuals.

typical priveleged gatekeeper mindset - if you don't suffer, your art is worthless compared to other people that suffer... what is it with americans and loving to suffer so much? and shaming other people that don't like to suffer?

"I have no script"... Oh, no wonder. He didn't sit down to actually think before talking... Yeah, great "content"

"I heckin LOVE SCIENCE! I'm not like those gross conservatives, I accept all forms of progress! Haha robots will steal your jobs soon you gross rust belt manual laborers, should have learned to code xp XD Wait AI does art now? NOOO NOO I DON'T LIKE THIS KIND OF PROGRESS! NOT LIKE THIS! ACK--"

It’s not about how we as fans think of AI art, but how studios implement them. There are artists already being given less than stellar wage and no free time. We already knew the Anime industry practically harasses animators and artists to create art. This ‘AI’ art step is just going to make studios give them less pay, because now they can say they’ll replace them with robots.

Corridor have always been geniune and highly talented vfx artists. Just cause they view ai art differently doesn't make them wrong. Art is very hard to define as it is.

I lost my interest in this video when you describe how AI works incorrectly, but still I see what you're trying to say and understand it, art is not just limited on the results, but the process behind it, like a Katana made by traditional technique is treated like an art, but Katana made using modern way is treated like a weapon, because the process of creating itself is a form of art

So a few counterpoints on your arguments (and this is coming from someone who is a musician, huge anime fan, M.S in Software engineering, and a TensorFlow Engineer). 1) CorridorDigital isn't a villain, so throwing insults like "dushebag" "scums", etc, turns your argument from factual, to emotional. The title of their video was cringe yes, but they didn't change animation. They created a new way to *assist* in animation. This is exactly how the world reacted when CGI was introduced, and hand-drawn artists thought they were out of a job. Instead, CGI became a *tool* to assist in animation. This is the exact same thing. Your explanation on how AI works is very rudimentary, so I'd suggest taking a look at Stable Diffusion (what they used) before going into that concept. The method they used was to assist in the rotoscoping of animation. Rotoscoping is still used to this day, and people like Joel Haver made this known to more people with his animations. I mean Moana was rotoscoped. Look up "Disney animator reacts" to this video, and he will throw a very similar argument. If using this tool can assist animators, then embrace it. 2) Your bit on the guitar is ironic, as when music became more digital (through DAWs, VST's, etc) that allowed people who understood basic music principles, but couldn't afford a guitar or just didn't want to, can also make music. To this day, it's a major debate on if producers are actually musicians, because they are not using real instruments. However, they are still *talented artists* in their own way, not *your way*. Is using a virtual guitar, and a keyboard, less *skilled* than actually playing? Sure, you can make that argument. However, virtual instruments paved the way for many big names to produce high quality music. I mean, Hans Zimmer makes most of his cinematic music in a DAW. Is he less of an artist? 3) Saying that Corridor Digital are not *artists* is an understatement. This took them months of research, and an entire team to grasp into this technology. Even their 1-for-1 comparison showed that it still required a high level of cinematic understanding, and camera work, to make this feature. They are VFX *artists*. They are directors. They are game designers. They are not *animators*. 4) Your point on AI stealing work. That I can agree with, as all great data models *need data*. For a machine to make predictions on stock prices, they need stock data. For a machine to have chat features, they need data for sentient analysis. For a machine to make "art", they need "art". Did making this animation, while using existing animation, kinda bad? Yes. However, people who use AI art to steal work, *and not credit the original artist* are even more scummy. Corridor showed exactly what they took as data/inspiration and didn't say "this is our own original work". 5) Monetization. They always show how things are done in almost every major production they make. This is no different. If you want to throw that argument, you should look at the active lawsuits against LensaAI for their part in monetizing art with money. I do not mean this in any ill-manner, or that I fully agree with Corridor. Simply adding my 2 cents to this discussion. Happy to go back and forth in a respectful discussion. Subbed.

You know what? Screw the whole "A.I. removes the barrier to entry" argument. There is basically no barrier to entry on art. A toddler creates art whenever they pick up a single crayon. Just because you're too lazy to practice doesn't mean you can steal the art of hundreds of artist and pass it off as your own skill. They worked hard and now they get their skill and products stolen with basically ZERO way to protect themselves. Screw A.I. "art" and screw the lazies who defend it. It's unethical at best and downright theft at worst.

Anime? No. Cool cellshaded music video? Yes.

It´s hypocrisy that, when it comes to things you find funny, i.e voice acting, AI is all fine and dandy. But when it is something you hold dear, like animation, then now it is moral conundrum. You can´t have cake and eat it. You should be against all aplications or none. Both are neural net that learn patterns. One is copying art styles (which are not copyrightable), the other is copying speech patterns. So by your logic now you have two out of three components animated movie down. Style, voice, now we need AI for generating the realistic motion. And Chat GTP can generate a sceneplay. Did you even look, with out bias, what CC did? It´s just a proof of concept for AI assisted rotoscoping. It was not mean to be perfect. Not now. But the crap about the soul of artist and artisans that lives on in their piece of whatever, and the soullessness of corporate world, from people on their phones (apple or droid), in their branded clothing from sweatshops, with ikea furniture, in their first world bubble is nauseating.

Projecting your own insecurities on a group just doing a fun project to see if it's possible doesn't make you the 'bigger' person, it just makes you sound like a jerk. It also shows a complete misunderstanding of how AI works, how it 'learns' and how it produces art. If it just copied your stuff verbatim, you'd have a good case of 'art theft', but it doesn't. Even if you WANTED to perfectly duplicate an art piece you almost certainly won't be able to do it. Can it learn your art style faster than a human can? Absolutely. Does that in any way stop a human from doing exactly the same thing as the AI and replicating your style? No, in fact it happens all the time and not a single person bats an eye. There's this notion that more effort means you work should be more appreciated than others. Its your 'reward' for working so hard on it. That's not how things actually work in practice though. Some insanely talented individuals pick up drawing far quicker than others and effortlessly produce masterpieces while another person can spend hours on a drawing to make it mediocre at best. We had similar discussions when digital art took off. Is a digital artist less worthy than a watercolour painter, since all of their 'paints' come pre-mixed? If I crop and scale to reuse a background or character in another scene, am I devaluing my art as a whole for taking shortcuts? Art is changing. It's unstoppable. But attacking the artist (yes, they're still artists I don't care what loose terminology you'd prefer to use) you only make yourself seem petty and single-minded. It's fine to attack the tool if you genuinely disagree with it, but all this infighting is just a distraction. The reason people go on the attack is because they fear change.

They wrote the script, did the voice over, sourced the costumes, recorded themselves acting out the script, purchased and modified 3d assets for the backgrounds. It's disingenuous or ignorant to imply like they lazily pressed a button and had an AI do it all. What percentage of your previous Trigun video was footage from other peoples work?

AI art is "real" art the same way CGI is "real" art. It still takes a human to guide the process. This doom and gloom outlook is just sad. I am an artist myself, went to school for it, and I can see the obvious benefits of having a shortcut to create what I have invisioned in my mind without hundred of hours of work. I'm sorry to say that your opinion is on the losing side of history. I don't care if corporations take advantage of a TOOL made for art. Artists will still exist regardless of what mediums exist.

I think its being kind of misinterpreted what they were trying to do. This wasn't a get rich scheme, but more of them trying to show how "AI" can be utilized as a tool in animation and film editing. I follow their bts channel and listen to their podcast and they went into detail the whole process for the video. To make it they shot all the footage using greenscreen and themselves as actors, then they edited the footage then used the AI to take the footage give it that animation feel. Which even that they spent multiple days teaching the computer what they were looking for. In the podcast they also stated that its more of a filter effect and not actual animation and that it was far from looking perfect because the technology is still very flawed and limited. Last thing I'll add is the reason they're charging for the tutorials is because its an independent company that has a team of around 10 to 15 people that all have families and they need to be able to support themselves. Sam and Niko built that company from the ground up starting as just a couple of friends making silly videos on RU-vid. They've always tried to innovate and think of new ways of doing things and I don't think they had any ill intentions with this video.

Bro mad that 3 people couldn’t make a revolutionary new style perfect on their first try 😂

trust me, ai will ultimately help artists the most. we will eventually get used to the low effort ai look as something low effort. but right now many are scared since it looks like it is automating something that took a long time, not realising to actually make a product will take a lot of work with it and proper image input(which ultimately artists does the best)

oh let the gatekeeping begin. editors, proofreaders, background dancers, they are all wannabe artists! ffs. lets ban photoshop! real artists use pencils!

Lmao dude being pressed over some random channel video. Lmao. I'm a fan of the channel but this is just dumb

I feel this "Direct capture to animation style" pipeline corridor have made has potential. We should treat this as what it is: a tool for creating art. There may be ways to use this thing that are genuinely artistic and adds to the medium rather than put more garbage out there. I feel right now it's like what CGI in anime used to be; a lazy animation technique. However CG has now turned into something that, if used correctly, genuinely enhances the anime experience. I feel the corridor crew had their hearts in the right place in making animation more accessible to more artists (although their snarky actions right now don't sit right with me). But I also feel their technique is definitely going to be used by studios to pump out cheap hot garbage with as few animators as possible before it starts getting used in better ways. As with any tool, I can only hope it's used ethically. Corridor, you oversold this thing, but it kinda cool.

Oh god can't even make it past 4:10. "This isn't AI", you are def an Ai hater. lol

Agree with the feelings about the definition of art, disagree with the thoughts on the corridor's video

I think everyone is completly missing the point of what they did, yes they used others art/style in order to do the animation, but thats the point, you cutting the middle man in all of this, which one you may ask? doing every exact frame, you still need an artist, you still need people in order to do all of this, but you are reducing everything to the main artist, and removing the amount of people need to do it, no longer is need a whole team of 15 or whatever is needed ppl reproducing the style of the main artist, you need 1 artist + whatever is need, that will bring their style, which will be fed to the ai, and reducing the work he has to do, and leaving him with more time to focus in other things. In the end, they are reducing the amount of ppl need to do it, they removing the artist, you could do that, but that would be missing the point of everything. this is automation all over again, but as I said, you still need the artist, just not the whole team. is it good is it bad? who cares, this is a new tool, get up with the time, or be left behind.

Gotta be honest I don't think corridor are the bad guys here. They used AI to create a filter using art as a reference. But that does not make it look like vampire hunter D. It just doesn't. It's very loosely inspired looking. They made an interesting concept for how you can produce a cartoon looking product using live action. They didn't just use a prompt and have it appear. It took hours and hours and hours of work to develop something that barely resembles anime. I don't see the problem, even regarding the future for this.

You’re my favorite RU-vidr. I’m finally not so broke I can’t sign up for the patreon. I will be giving you my money now.

I'm not a fan of AI image gen either but your description of how it works is just blatantly untrue. It's not pulling bits and pieces from a folder of images, you dont need any of the raw training data on your machine to run AI image gen locally, that would be terabytes upon terabytes of data. Instead you use "digested" training data (still large but in the GBs) which is essentially a series of equations to generate different types of images. These equations are generated by taking an image, turning it into random noise pixel by pixel and then recording the steps. This is an oversimplification but for brevity essentially an "average" is created after doing this on a large sample size of images. When generating an image, first random noise is generated, and then it matches your prompts to the equations associated with your prompt, and then plays the "averaged" steps to turn the image into noise in reverse. I believe this is a very important distinction because your explanation quite authoritatively characterizes it as an open and shut case of simple asset bashing but with a proper explanation the line is exceptionally blurrier.

wah, wah. I tried till I got it, it was hard. So what does that got to do with anything? Gathering and hunting for food was hard. Want to go back to that?

ngl I responses from my arguments of "Why would you want to go through that pain?" and I can't help but think a bit deeper, like, it's okay to conclude that you're not meant to be an artist. Thing about being an artist, is that you're in love with the pain, it hurts and it's unbearable to force yourself to improve and the tears placed into each piece. When you're an artist, you just can't give up on it, cause the ability to extent yourself into pieces such as art and have people see and they themselves can feel what you feel. That's such an invaluable ability to have.

What a bad take

I feel like the people who are advocating for this AI generated art shit are the same people who advocated for nfts because it's really money motivated rather than art

I have wasted my 25 minutes for nothing watching this video so you don't have to

I mean it goes both ways now a day. I recently got cancelled because people thought my art was ai, and then when I proved them I drew it, they told me that I need to change my style because it looks like ai

😂 this guy is hurt

basements video was anything but good....

Careful about keeping all your manga so close to the window. Looks like the sunlight can hit it, that’s gonna ruin the color on the bindings. Just thought I’d give ya a heads up.

I don't really feel Corridor did anything bad. Clearly the core of their process is still an artistic process. They needed actual acting skills, the composition was done by humans, the lighting was done by humans, and the writing was done by humans. The only thing they automated was something comparable to rotoscoping.

I understand the fear of losing ones job to a machine and the possibility of your struggle and work being undervalued, however this AI art thing has clearly proven mans Pride and Hubris is far bigger than we thought, Art isn’t something that belongs to humanity and humanity alone. We can say art is an Expression of human experience and human experience alone, however is that really correct? Is only human experience valuable? Is it so different when art is just imitation of our environment and understanding, when a program does the same thing?

"Animation" is a bit of a stretch to describe it. It's really more similar to rotoscoping. They also did some work filming and of post processing to try and it's important not to undersell their experience and hard work. This was a proof of concept and potentially a new art form in it's early stages. I'm a fan of Corridor and it's disappointing that they're response to the backlash has been tone deaf. However, they're willingness to share the process even if it's behind a paywall, is a good thing. Lots of people that can tell some really interesting stories, possibly even stories that benefit from the weird flickering it creates. Artists can even train the AI on their own art and others might not care about copyright or monetization. The real danger, as others have pointed out, is the companies who own enormous amounts of IP can train an AI on. This is an unfair advantage and was exploitive to artists even before this. If they do fire these artists though our culture may stagnate even more than it already has, but that is a weak position to be in if the market is flooded by stuff people made online. There will be soulless nonsense flooding the market, especially in advertising. My only hope is that as the technology progresses, artists will be able to explore and refine it, just like any other artist would. We're entering a post-scarcity market of media. Not just due to this, but due to streaming services and the internet itself. I hate the annoying get rich quick schemes and corporate copyright nonsense. What does supply and demand mean when supply is infinite? I hope this means they get screwed over, but Pandora's Box is opened...

*The Lesser man is always afraid of innovation*

Having literally anything but supportive feelings towards people making new art is nothing more than your own lack of confidence. You are a baby.

I admire your honesty, but do you think people should listen to a college dropout? I went to a four-year college and graduated with my bachelors. I took all the classes for editing videos and doing 3D and you know what was a threat to me? RU-vid videos showing people how to edit and use blender. Because I wasted money going to expensive college when I could’ve just watched RU-vid videos and make a profit. So you know what I did? I let it go.

I chose the art path because I did it for the passion, not for the money. The goal is to self sustain while doing something I passionately enjoy. However, using AI art switches that focus from passion to money. If money was my goal, I wouldn't have taken this route since there are much safer options. The fun is in the process, take that away, and what are we left with?

So it's just digital rotoscoping? Something that's been around for like a hundred years but without the meticulous effort that makes it good? I think we can all breath easy about the foreseeable future of art here people. Skynet ain't making the next Akira anytime soon. AI generated art is really just a collage of whatever database the programmer put into it, and it all looks vaguely like John Wayne Gacy paintings because a computer can't curate for quality. It has no idea what looks good to a human and what's off and creepy. It doesn't understand meaning. Or fun. Or even the subtitles of language. What it can do is be an easy tool for hacks to sell to other hacks as a shortcut. And pretend to be your girlfriend. Apparently.

No hate, but i feel like that ai hate come from jealousy. Not you or anyone in particular. But like this deep primal jealousy. We’ve had the monopoly on creating things, on imagination, on art etc…. We are the apex of all of that. And here comes the new kid on the block being able to take millennia of human creativity in a matter of seconds and spit something out that is “new”. To your point you did admit this, but humans steal and copy and pay homage to the things that inspire them and this machine is able to be programmed to do what took we bled and sweat for in seconds. And i think that people hate it bc they see the writing on the wall. They see that we will soon be obsolete in every way possible. Like when chronos tried to kill his kids bc he saw their potential and feared it. We too are the parents of this new form of existence and we fear our replacement. Idk, I’m just rambling i guess.

Do you realize that the point you're arguing for in this whole video argues in favor of Corridor Crew's Rock Paper Scissors video? It would have helped if you included their "Animators React 11: Mulan, Aladdin, Anime Rock Paper Scissors" video. One of the points they made is that you don't just press a button, and an anime pops out. It took a lot of work to get it to where they got it. Even in their "People say this tool will replace me, so I made a movie with it." video, the "1-click VFX" did a lot, but it couldn't do everything. It still takes human decisions to get the result the artist wants. Did you know artists complained about the invention of photography because they thought it was a threat to their ability? Stop thinking about corporations and people making money. Think about the average person who just wants to make things. AI is just a tool. It's how the tool is used that matters. Yes, jobs will be erased in the same way digital editing with computers erased the job of physically cutting and taping film. The limitations of physical film was holding what could be done with the medium back, and keeping the art of making movies in the hands of companies and people rich enough to afford it. The beginning of the "digital age" put movies and art in the hands of regular people and even kids, but even that was still difficult for new people to get into it, and there were hard limitations of what you could do with no budget. AI tools are just the new version of that. It lowers the barrier to entry so more people who want to create, can create. Art is just expression. The concept of art should be free, it shouldn't be a thing that's only exclusive to certain people.

Disagree that what they made is not art either like at the start of the video you said that film making is also art but also ignore how much filmmaking went into this like lighting, camara shots costumes and also knowing how to use unreal engine for making the 3d backgrounds and making games is also art. So this is in fact art it doesn’t all come out of thin air, a person must have the artistry to put it all together

WEE WEE WEE, stop fkng crying and don't say that AI is going to ruin you. The world is not ending! You move on, if you do not like what they did, IT'S FINE

At the end of the day, image-generating programs (and their voice equivalents) are like a gun or a hammer - they are simply tools. This technology isn't inherently good or evil, but rather, it manifests its consequences by how a given individual chooses to utilize it. For example, say you are a scriptwriter - maybe for film, maybe for comics, it doesn't really matter. For you, image generation is an incredibly useful tool as it provides you a means by which to visualize a given scene or roughly storyboard a concept. These concepts can then be handed off to directors or artists to more concisely convey your intent. Fundamentally, I think it's wrong to ban, or attempt to ban, tools just because a segment of the population may misuse them. Instead, it's fair more constructive to encourage their positive use and condemn their misuse at both the personal and societal levels.

Honestly can't get through this video; I made it 12min. I apologize on that. Beyond that my perspective differs very much from yours. I will take that the arguments that Corridor didn't use a real AI (just a filter), that it wasn't animation (it was rotoscoping), and that purely AI generated art pieces is the wrong direction for AI. However Corridor utilizes it as an amazing production tool. They show that character reference and style sheets can be applied to AI to form the adaptive filters to assist productions like the RPS video. To say that their work is not art is a bull headed disrespect to what was done. I understand the concern but Corridor as a target is a poor choice as they actively try to place AI tools in the hands of creators. I understand your argument as fueled by feelings of being threatened in your area of expertise and I see several subjective justifications through the first half of this video. I hope you keep striving to benefit the art community and profession. Keep discussing too.

Common guys, Corridor Crew made the first attempt at an experiment and all so called purist animators are saying the video is not up to the quality. First attempt at an idea will never be at a level of perfection. It only shows that people don't know how science and tech develops. If people start building the tech after sometime the software would be developed to mitigate all the problems seen in Corridor Crew's attempt. At some point tech will override, and if artists are not accepting this fact than they would be left behind.

Good video, but I think I disagree with you. Maybe AI anime isn't art, but it is still anime, and like you pointed out, the most popular media isn't necessarily the best. Also, you're sounding awfully boomer complaining about how the world was better back in your day

Their video was amazing.

AI is here, its not going anywhere, you can either accept it, or simply not use it. its up to the artist and or the studios. Is it a threat? sure, anything that can make a process easier is a plausable threat to the established quo. Was not the iphone a threat to the mobile industry that preceded it? It absolutely was. Did not computers and 3d uproot the 'much' of the established 2d industry at the time? yup. it didnt Kill 2d as most had believed but it certainly put a major dent in that sector's profitable productions. so A.i. the ability to get a whole lot of something for virtually nothing... and you dont think that will have an impact. hell. people with no artistic ability can produce content thru ai. And what corridor did was very much a viable process like it or not. Here's the simple fact... if corridor released their film without ever mentioning a word on how it was created.. absolutely no one would've considered the method that was actually used to create it. PERIOD!!!. Its only because people know that gives them leeway to complain. Its just the same as morons that complain about CGI. 9 times out of 10 the person that complains about CGI not only has no idea how its actually made and the productions and reasons behind its quality, but also the fact that 60% of what they see on television is in fact cgi. So much work that goes into post production to make botched up film productions watchable. Settings, products, lighting , touchups, the whole gammit to make even the simplest film production viable for television viewing goes thru a process that is mostly cg based in one way shape or form. And you never even knew you were watching fake 3d content, so you never had a place to perch yourself and tweet out complaints. A.i. is simply another tool, a major tool, but never the less another tool. And it doesn't change one simple fact... directors and producers still cant make up their minds because they are the least talented of the lot.

I agree with most of what's being said here. However, I draw the line when you call people you barely know SCUM. You can disagree but there's no reason to attack someone's character. And they do not host get rich quick schemes- I've seen their channel grow through effort, passion, experimentation, and nerdy joy. That doesn't mean I agree with their AI anime method, or products in general, but their sentiment of anti-corporate control of anime industry-level animation rings of honest nuanced criticism. I get being irritated but outrage at someone's personhood like calling them douches just shows more insecure projection rather than logical deduction.

I don't know why the people who made that called it anime, it's sfx. Then I realized they're overly proud. God-damned hubris.

I just don’t understand why artists believe suffering is what gives something value.

Its funny seeing a human who has all their skills from learning from others saying AI shouldn't be allowed to do the same. now don't get me wrong copy-write law should apply and I think what this shows we may need to extend those laws around style to make it so you can't just use someone else art style without permission and guess what an AI that could give you a calculation on style match could actually be used to help enforce those laws and protect the artist. But to say Ai shouldn't be allowed to learn .... that's just selfish leaning is for all including the machines if you'r are worried about how that allows us to evaluate humans as everything we see as value in people is skill and suffering based .... well maybe that's the thing we should actually be changing.