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AI enables China beating perovskite solar cell production in Australia
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@nostradamus2642 9 месяцев назад

My previous experience with Aussie AI technology was the Holden Camira.

@MrEd2291 9 месяцев назад

In addition to AI for solar, lithium refining in Australia would help greatly.

@Freshbott2 9 месяцев назад

So AI can make it cheaper to manufacturer in Australia. But then AI could also make it cheaper to manufacture in China too. That’s a structural dilemma not a technical one.

@gacattack1234 9 месяцев назад

But then China has to ship it over.

@natbirchall1580 9 месяцев назад

Plus China has huge geopolitical issues.

@Freshbott2 9 месяцев назад

@@gacattack1234 shipping’s cheap.

@huckleberryfinn6578 9 месяцев назад

Import tariffs are the solution. With the current prices of solar cells, it makes little difference if they are 30-50% more expensive but are produced by local companies. Solar cells are not cheap disposable products where you have to squeeze every percent out of the price.

@gacattack1234 9 месяцев назад

@@Freshbott2 With their price advantage gone, it won't take much for people to realise that we should just buy local and be better off as a group.

@grahamastor4194 9 месяцев назад

Happy New Year Sam, to you and your family. Thank you for all the great videos, I have trouble keeping up with them!

@kayakMike1000 9 месяцев назад

All he does is read articles he didn't research or write. It's barely worth the time.

@davidinkster1296 9 месяцев назад

'China beating' might be a bit optimistic, but it is certainly true that we have a long way to go with Perovskites before we see their full potential. Even if perovskites don't reach the 33% of the best of silicon, if they get to 20% and are 1/5 the price of silicon, they will be the cell of choice for many applications.

@docsnider8926 9 месяцев назад

You will need 5 times the surface area, not easy on small roofs?

@gregp.7148 9 месяцев назад

We need the ones that you can nail to your roof be commercialized faster. Then you don't need the heavy frames and can ship more and much cheaper.

@danielmadar9938 9 месяцев назад

Thanks

@vlhc4642 9 месяцев назад

Even if you don't follow the solar industry, a quick search should of perovskite solar should tell you China also leads in both research and production of perovskite cells.... Akcome is already building a $140M plant for example Also whenever a story puts more emphasis on "using AI" over what's actually done, chances are it's fluff.

@gregp.7148 9 месяцев назад

Love seeing more and faster advancements in PV, EV and WE (Wind Energy 😉) technologies.

@simonpannett8810 9 месяцев назад

Great news for Australia! I can also see heavily mechanised manufacturing to take advantage of your raw materials and export lots!!

@PhilipX2030 9 месяцев назад

Well, better, faster, (smarter) is what we need

@maxsarjay5730 9 месяцев назад

Some solar panels get damaged easily really a pretty big array in Nebraska took out most of the solar panels with it hail storm

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

perovskite cells are more robust, they aren't under glass.

@1voluntaryist 9 месяцев назад

Solar City, Elon's company, has already produced a hail-proof PV panel.

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

@@1voluntaryist it's not too hard, you use a polycarbonate cover. But manufacturing price is an issue.

@freeheeler09 9 месяцев назад

Interesting! How long would the perovskite solar panels last on the roof?

@By_Rant_Or_Ruin 9 месяцев назад

Good Luck.

@andreandre1051 9 месяцев назад

👍👍

@Berretotube 9 месяцев назад

A very interesting AI use case - “Hey AI, increase the efficiency of solar panels. Ta”

@altsak840 9 месяцев назад

Wait untile someone tries to expand the use case. "Hey AI, figure out the best way to build a society which maximizes employment, happiness and overall life quality while minimizing overall debt and all other negative things" and BAM we live in a socialistic utopia.

@stvybaby 9 месяцев назад

Solar panels are already so inexpensive. Almost 20 years since my last electric bill . Why would any house be without?

@christophermarshall527 9 месяцев назад

17%

@teoengchin 9 месяцев назад

If they dont actually have any existing industry partners, then how do they know their panels will be cheaper to manufacture? Huge difference between making prototypes and industrial production

@gordonmynard855 9 месяцев назад

I’m wondering what kind of cell the car park/ induction charging system uses to paint on the surfaces

@kckfen 9 месяцев назад

Actually if i am not mistaken China already using AI in most of their production, including Solar Panel... and a company called Renshine Solar already start producing Perovskite Solar Cell Panel in China annouce in June last year.... well competition is good for consumers, expect more cheaper solar panel coming to market this year.

@neiliewheeliebin 9 месяцев назад

It's hard to tell with China they're calling everything AI it's a buzz word for them currently

@rexgeorg7324 9 месяцев назад

good work

@unfixablegop 9 месяцев назад

I didn't quite understand what the AI does. I think I did understand that it is able to predict the properties of material combinations. Does it also aid in the production process?

@Rainbowhawk1993 9 месяцев назад

The singularity is coming.

@EdwardsNH 9 месяцев назад

The biggest potential seen at this point is layering the 2. It's giving a 45% efficiency. But everything you mentioned still doesn't cover that they just don't last.

@jpdj2715 9 месяцев назад

Perovskite has the inherently bigger issue of lifetime expectancy or degradation over time. So it needs to be sealed well and probably other protection or preventative measures too. AFAIK. So far, it was seen as a potential second layer under the classical silicon layer and such dual layer panels can easily raise production from 34% to 43%. With that the same area of panel produces 1/3rd more electricity. The question is how perovskite-only would behave. Another innovation that was lurking at the horizon of "solar" is the introduction of optical grids over the PV layer where each cell in the grid is an optical tunnel, guiding light from different directions to the PV layer. This would increase the time window in which the panel can convert energy at peak performance (because less sensitive to angle of light incidence - angle relative to sun) and so increases total kWh production per 24h compared to the same PV layer(s) without the funnel grid. The question is when we will see panels that do the two layers with the funnel cell layer on top. "AI" - note that the A is for "artificial" and the associated "I" (intelligence) depends a lot on how artificial it is. "Learning AI" has become easier (with more powerful compute power at lower TCO) and generative AI in that is more easy too, but it still depends on human teaching and algorithm coding. We have seen learning AI get better and better and when people managing the AI did not halt the learning, it became exponentially more stupid again. You need a lot of human intelligence to get good AI. The future of smart and beneficial AI is that the world no longer depends on cheap labour in sweat shops far away, in regions of political instability, and on long logistic transport routes.

@oldgandy5355 9 месяцев назад

I love reading Science Fiction, have for over sixty years. One of my top ten favorites introduced the AI concept, except so that society would accept the idea, they call it AS : Artificial Stupid. That way people could continue to feel superior to computers. Actually, in the book it was called the Artificial Stupid System, made the acronym more acceptable. Looking forward to less expensive solar panels! And Batteries.!

@JoeyBlogs007 9 месяцев назад

AI is the future by far.

@AcikaMak 9 месяцев назад

AI can invent new and cheap production methods in any industry also can make clone machine and just copy anything. You don't need even resources.

@z.Sh4ped.Po0Tin 9 месяцев назад

Are the prerovskite solar cells already at least half as stable as silicon based solar cells in normal weather conditions (can those endure say 5 years with 80% of initial energy production efficiency?)

@pauldannelachica2388 9 месяцев назад

❤❤❤❤❤

@montypalmer4556 9 месяцев назад

Encredibly remote blue sky guessing!

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

guessing? This is measurements.

@yggdrasil9039 9 месяцев назад

The only way for manufacturing in Australia to be globally competitive is if a ton of automation and robots are used.

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

and that's pretty well the only way to usefully make this type of solar panel.

@Harrythehun 9 месяцев назад

Still we are left with the time and energy consuming transportations to and from Australia.

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

@@Harrythehun not if you make them here. Also, that's a minimal effect over the 20-year life of the vehicle. Even over 10 years. And there's steps being made to change ships to wind+electric, better plus cheaper to run.

@Harrythehun 9 месяцев назад

@@thekaxmax Glad to hear the optimism and hope! We need more of that in the world! I’m “forced” at work to compare every project regarding cost and environmental impact, so we need other perspectives and insights.

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

@@Harrythehun I've worked in the Department of Environment, Energy And Water here and spoken there to teams of people who do this analysis for a living; the technology plus its implications and costs. Esp with the present govt and some of the technologies developed and commercialised by CSIRO they're pretty optimistic.

@Harrybollox 9 месяцев назад

Manufacturing in western countries of consumption despite competition from cheap labour economies is very feasible using robotics , and should be the norm to avoid overheads of shipping, customs and also environmental impact , but it will only be successful if the work force is tiny and not unionised and only if over zealous power addicted governments keep their red tape , taxes, royalties and regulation out of the process

@timmo971 9 месяцев назад

Oh gawd, first thing they’ll do is get them manufactured in China when they are ready to scale up. You don’t have to ask ai how it’s going to go.

@ranjusranjus143 9 месяцев назад

Last month December 2023 there were reports of AI helping chinese reseachers achieve a 33 percent efficiency

@Fanta.... 9 месяцев назад

china will use AI so they can cheat and steal off other countries hard work more efficiently.

@CUBETechie 9 месяцев назад

What do you think about SAULE TECHNOLGIES?

@stephenarnold9986 9 месяцев назад

Aussies always miss the boat with this technology, waste time doing studies instead of going into production

@terryhumphries1 9 месяцев назад

Why are they so excited about only 17% when most modern solar panels are areomnd 22% +

@wonderplanet343 9 месяцев назад

We are waaaaaaay overpopulated to save the atmosphere with our current use of burning fuels to heat, mine, and transport. Yes we need solar but making it is using fuels right now. We must have very small family size or suffer huge troubles. Unwed folks forget about having babies out of marriage. It’s so cruel. Married couples have one or at most two kids. That can help.

@yggdrasil9039 9 месяцев назад

Is this rumour about the Ora Cat reducing their base model by 4k to improve sales, which are currently being taken almost entirely by the BYD Dolphin and the MG4 true? Or is this BS? If true, this would make it $35k AUD, which is the start of price parity with top spec ICE and HEVs.

@remakeit2628 9 месяцев назад

Unless someone stumps up with a few billion dollars for a panel manufacturing facility that can match any of those in China we will remain a manufacturing backwater. Our labour costs will also not be competitive.

@icosthop9998 9 месяцев назад

1st to give a thumbs up 👍 And 1st to be 1st 🤗 🥇

@kinkfluencer 9 месяцев назад

On January ... 2nd.

@georgemcinnes8668 9 месяцев назад

Go RMIT😅😅

@icosthop9998 9 месяцев назад

5 years down the road 😒

@trinsit 9 месяцев назад

In 5 years, I'm putting my money on the AI will have broken its own record with newly discovered chemical combinations multiple times.

@ernieschatz3783 9 месяцев назад

17 percent. I know that figure is good for solar cells but dayum there has to be better way.

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

that's version 0.8. :P The theoretical max for perovskite is way higher. Step 1: make them multilayer.

@jimhofoss9982 9 месяцев назад

17% cell efficiency has been available for years now….NASA’s solar panels have been using perovskite solar panels on the Space Station for decades.

@HiggsBoson2149 9 месяцев назад

Bottom line is... How many things can we buy that says "Made in Australia"? I can't even think of one item sold in Canada that is made in Australia.

@moreless2690 9 месяцев назад

I am hoping for the same outcome as well. My sole concern is to ensure that Uncle Sam stay out of it. However, it's already past the point of no return... Sorry! Mate... "Make America first again"

@PhilipX2030 9 месяцев назад

Can the US export PV production capability to Australia? 🇦🇺 Would China 🇨🇳 be willing to? If the goal is a 100% Zero Emission world, can we get beyond local monopolies to encourage local production and retained profits? There's a world to cover out there

@sebastienloyer9471 9 месяцев назад

😂butttt it's not the goal...

@directxxxx71 9 месяцев назад

Aussie isn't kown for its AI capability

@jeanlaikan8400 9 месяцев назад

17 % only ? I recently watched one of your videos stating that one company has produced solar panels with 33 % efficiency.

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

it's the best so far, not what's possible. The main thing is they're so cheap you can put up a lot more for the price.

@kinkfluencer 9 месяцев назад

Shows how crappy today's scientists and engineers are...since over 87.73% is the goal.

@glennjgroves 9 месяцев назад

There are different types of solar cell. This is a record for this type. This type is potentially much cheaper to manufacture so lower efficiency may not matter in the big picture.

@thekaxmax 9 месяцев назад

@@glennjgroves as I said, in different words. :P

@glennjgroves 9 месяцев назад

@@thekaxmax you did not state that there were different types of solar panel. You implied a cost difference, but not what the cost difference was between. If someone missed that these were a different type of solar panel, your comment did not make that clear. So you actually only said part of what I said.

@pasipagegwe 9 месяцев назад

Reporting on this is not consistent. Sounds like design rather than manufacturing.. they are different things

@mnhsty 9 месяцев назад

My impression is that "machine learning" is just being used as a buzzword here. The real innovation seems to be in fast prototyping for use in statistical experiment design optimization.

@jeffreyspinner9720 9 месяцев назад

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I'm starting to get concerned the engineering and science ytube channels are just various versions of priests speculating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin...

@渡海-q2w 9 месяцев назад

Oh Sammy you know who leads the world in Ai and ML? You did not guess it right? Lol it’s China buddy

@greg7743 9 месяцев назад

Commercialized? They have not even tested! Misleading title.

@ernieschatz3783 9 месяцев назад

"Game changing." Is someone keeping track of how mamy times the Voykin is uttering this phrase. 😂😂

@kinkfluencer 9 месяцев назад

Less that you are using the term "someone". Chill out, boi. There's no reason in getting hysteric because others like to repeat words or groups of words.

@ernieschatz3783 9 месяцев назад

@chillfluencer Wow, your response is game-changing. This changes the landscape completely.

@shinlee2579 9 месяцев назад

Kelp 😴

@ER-df8vx 9 месяцев назад

First

@duyataksis5210 9 месяцев назад

lol no.

@revrickbibletalks5546 9 месяцев назад

Not sure what you actually want to say, why use the title about Chinese AI beating Australian technology? It's just silly and doesn't make sense!

@icosthop9998 9 месяцев назад

Too bad *Ai* couldn't help "Stellantis" keep their software capabilities in Europe. Stellantis had to hire a Chinese software firm to rid their EV of their horrible software glitches 😒 And then Stellantis fired their fellow European workers 😢

@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler 9 месяцев назад

What we should be doing is using artificial intelligence to figure out how to mass-produce the solar panels without any human interaction that way we can drive down the cost and also try to make high-quality solar cells that will last for 50 plus years these ones I guarantee will not last more than 5 or 10 years... it's just crap researchers trying to push their work we just need people to make the solar technology we already have it's already good enough we get close to 30%

@Vass122 9 месяцев назад

Lets hope government don't hinder manufacturing in this country!!

@duanehorton4680 9 месяцев назад

Let's, not Lets.

@Buciasda33 9 месяцев назад

My boy... Current AI is shit. You should check and test because the fucking AI makes a shit ton of mistakes. AI still can't do basic math or reliably correct a fucking text, it makes mistakes , it skips lines, it doesn't double check and appears so confident when it provides a wrong answer... Did the AI discover anything yet? 17% efficiency is bad and you'll never make it cheaper then the fucking Chinese. Even if you somehow manufacture 17% panels at 1/4 of the cost / W of a Chinese panel you're still going to fail because you will need twice the area, twice the number of panels, twice the number of frames, cables, fuses, connectors, diodes, glass, whatever and twice the installation cost which is the most expensive thing.

@markfowler2066 9 месяцев назад

Your pessimistic attitudes are dooming you to further decline. Please look forward to a better, brighter future, or stop spreading your negativity and get out of the way. Here's your chance to start being part of the solution and not continuing to be part of the problem. What say you?