EA is also the name of Enki, the Annunaki that messed with our genome or some primates genome,maybe homo erectus.. It's all there in Ancient Sumerian, carved in Stone. And in Science carved in our DNA.
@@thepagecollectiveas far as I’m aware, most who believe in simulation theory don’t worship a deity, and they don’t follow a code of ethics that is hinged on reality being a simulation. By definition that means it’s not religious.
@@WickedIndigo A religion needs no code whatsoever, nor worship. It is merely the belief in an unnecessary, unprovable creator, for which there is no evidence what so ever, and has been demonstrated as impossible by rigorous scientific inquiry. That's simulation theory.
@@nekez2327 It revealed to him, in a subtle formatical and mathermatical way, that there is no equilbrillium. In other words, there is only reaching. You cannot gain acheivement by the grab nor the reach. Just reach.
Well he didnt come on the podcast for hes looks atlest hes not saying its truth what hes saying.just telling what he believes take it or leave it or add to it.
Two of the best interviewers in the world today talking deep shit. This is what the information age is supposed to be about. I'm forever grateful for Rogan and lex. For their unmatched honesty and humility. We desperately need these two guys around as long as possible in order for us to stay relevant in this simulation 🙏
Define winning?.. money isn't everything.. (Don't get me wrong, I think he's winning to a degree.. but working endlessly isn't always necessarily winning)
@@facts-GPT If the game was 'achievement' based then he's right up there. Personally I find existence itself to be weird enough to make me wonder if it's all real, but to be a billionaire innovator genius as well would really make me doubt reality.
Man, I miss the Alex that we get to see on JRE. I’ve tried going back to Infowars just to see what Alex is up to, but that version of him doesn’t exist on Infowars anymore. He’s pandering to his audience hard. It’s like another Breitbart at this point. They clearly have an agenda, and it is so transparent. I wish we could get 2004-2012 Alex back, but it’s not going to happen.
The scariest thing I ever heard or qouted from a podcast is that we are a simulation sitting on the shelf of a alien teenager that he has forgotten about and only got a F for a grade...
Which, please note that, is not the doom we're subjected to. Many of the greats of our civilization got F before rising high, and if they could, the world that made and/or sustains them can do it, too. Never give up - that's what we do because that's what our world does, and what are we if not the way for our universe to reflect upon itself, self-inspect, find its' limitations and expand further?
Imagine waking up from a futuristic dream but you're in a dank cave, filled with shitty drawings, you have a shitty ass, and a sabertooth tiger is outside, threatening the life of your and your hairy mistress. That would suck.
it's an old asf idea too, people just don't know history. Hell, even "the authority" comic book had it, they created their own "caged baby universe" but even before that in OUR reality, hundreds of years ago, the gnostics firmly believed we live in a false light matrix, created by the demiurge, who is a pale shade of what true god is, but he doesn't know it, and believes he is god. it's like dunning kruger, all the way down realities.
Reminds me of Chopin's quote, though you could say his works in reverse: "Simplicity is the final achievement. After one has played a vast quantity of notes and more notes, it is simplicity that emerges as the crowning reward of art."
And also wrong.... woefully wrong!! Call it "simplicity" while negating the existence and relevancy of the complexity underlying the "simple" system of basic rules. There is the code of the program, the operating system, the computer, its components, the designer, etc etc etc
Lex is a guy who would read a paragraph and will then sit on it for 30min to an hour thinking and contemplating , like my father and sometimes if it's a story there's a probability they would reach the end in their head
Lol, Joe is unintentionally so funny sometimes! Reminded me of the video when that astronaut who was living in the ocean for a while met that creature with a big eye, Joe has a similar reaction (find it, it's hilarious). Edit: there watch?v=wMyRjES1lII Around minute 7 :)
When Joe goes whoa, I always just close the video cause I know it's too much for my brain to handle. And then I turn on the fastest video I can get to of of some comedian telling Joe a funny ass story to distract my thoughts from it.
There're things that will glitch us like that when we hear or see something relative to reality, that feeling is self awareness, and is also your third eye opening. If you follow that feeling, it is the same as the stages of death, like when you "die" on acid.
I disagree. Joe had on a lot of physicist, philosophers, biologists, psychologists, mathematicians, and computer scientists and he is fully aware of this simple concept. This actually comes up with his meathead friends Joey and that other guy when they are high. To me he made that expression because he was trying very hard to show interest in the dull excited reaction Lex had, that every year-1 philosophy student learns: random simplicity creates complexity, randomly.
I love this dialogue and the talk about conscious way toward the end. You reach the virtual reality and on the other side you find it’s just life because there would be no difference in the end; and it’s just a process, a dance, it’s just a concept and the mind has created it so to transcend the evolution of the mind which is itself inside the simulation then nothing is not inside it or out because you have reached yet another concept. There’s a complexity that they reach and so many more questions when in the end it’s all just consciousness; an isness or awareness; because the irrelevancy of whether or not we are in it means there is nothing to understand because it’s just the mind, the ego (identification with thought that is needed in order to continue to survival) trying to one up the universe; I.e. have power over it and thus conquer death. Interesting.
(Maybe?) Something really interesting i noticed, particularly with Lex; He DOESN'T look eye to eye for a lot of his thought process. I've noticed this with other guests as well (JP is another good example) and I've started to incorporate that habit into my own conversations. I'm not sure if there is a scientific name for this "tactic" but it does feel like I can more quickly distill the greater idea-fog in my head, into something verbally coherent.
For deep thinkers it is uncomfortable to make long durations of eye contact, it seems wrong or rude, when it happens the thought "Oh shiyt, I hope they didn't notice me in there shuffling through their thoughts" haha but srsly fleeting eye contact makes some of the most understood conversations, If you're talking it allows a openness of emotions and words because the talker is not relying on how the listener physically reacts to the conviction of the topic, half a millisecond of eye contact and the talker knows the story hasn't been lost with them and now want to be the listener, the listener felt the effect of emotional energy released from words, and in that half millisecond of eye contact, the Torches a Story were traded
I know if I’m staring too long at someone without brief pauses in between or quick glances away, I can’t continue the conversation because I get nervous or uncomfortable. So I usually start and end my sentences looking my at the person but can’t hold eye contact in between that time constantly.
Man that was so deep! To think that there could be simple rules put in place in this simulation (if it is a simulation) that would allow any and everything to happen as long as it’s within those simple rules. That’s mind blowing stuff.
If you've never heard about it check out something called the double slit experiment, you can find videos all over RU-vid about it and it is proof in my mind that rules change when we're actually observing them in the quantum Realm
I’m not really a Joe Rogan fan - but this is the best discussion about the simulation argument I’ve seen. It’s like this conversation starts where the explanation of the simulation hypothesis ends.
Geezy81 81 npc theory is really fascinating, what if in any given area there are only a handle full of real players and the rest are npc. So let’s say out of 8 billion ppl there is maybe 3 billion actual players it would make a lot of sense we can’t connect with everyone cause not everyone has the perimeters to function logically. Would also explain why some people hold on to illlogical ideas to the grave cause that’s how they are designed.
Somewhere In space and somewhere in time a species has come to the end of their universe, so they created a singularity based cosmos simulation that we all live in. What spans 12,000,000,000 years for us may have only been 12 minutes there. That’s my stoned ape theory anyways
Interesting I remember watching a star trek episode when I was younger and can't quite remember the story now but something along the lines of the universe was running out of energy so life moved to this type of universe if that makes sense I just remember it striking me I was only about 10 at the time but it left a mark in my mind just wish I could remember the story line as it puzzled my mind for years growing up
If we’re in a simulation then time would run different outside the simulation vs inside the simulation. It’s entirely possible that when we die the entirety of the simulation is played out all at one time, so there’s no time lapse between death and the afterlife. That could also mean that in the time it takes for whoever runs the simulation to experience one second is the same amount of time for the entirety of our universe to be born and die.
Or that time isn't an issue outside of the simulation. Therefore you can experience "characters" throughout the timeline... Caveman to traversing solar systems 🤷🏻♀️
@@NeinFeline Any measurement we have of time/simulations would disagree. Gravity in a simulation is relative (gravity affects time), so is any measurement (ie: sun positioning) too. If someone controls simulations/can change them they can change time. They could also edit consciousness, or erase data (changing our perception of time). In simulations now we have features that can speed through or rewind time. Why would a more complex simulation have less complex features? Why would beings in a simulation be smarter than the creator of said simulation? We have machines now that could go through millions of calculations in a second. Why wouldn’t a better computer be better equipped to run calculations instantaneously? Basically our calculations have already been ran on the machine, and the operators are reading the results of the data in their time. While we’re just the data being ran.
@@rickysmith923 so what if there's no gravity outside of the simulation... I agree with the last part but I would never assume what participants in the simulation would be capable of knowing more than those outside of it (through the guise that participants elect not to know)... With that premise, gravity being a variable in the simulation doesn't necessarily have to translate to origin... It could just be "hey, what if we couldn't simply fly everywhere like we can... Wouldn't that be funny?"
cellular automata are so amazing that my whole arm tattoo sleeve is a cellular automata pattern :) i m glad someone mentioned how cool are cellular automata
Best thing about a simulation is what does it matter? Because we are conscious of ourselves. And in the reality that we know we matter. So in the big picture do we even know what reality is? Not really, but it doesn't matter.
I've been saying that ever since I heard it. Life has no meaning, there no ultimate goal and we just happened to be created here. But this life is all I know, it's all I care about. Find your own meaning in this life.
@@dm3402 if it's a simulation why do we find the need to be ruled and have rulers? I don't think we are here to run the governments wheels and than die...
@@masrvneck4201 well u were born in a first world country where in general your collective society has chosen to contribute comunally in exchange for public services, infrastructure, food, ur internet, ect. The history of the planet and the events therein just happened for governments to happen now and throughout history. If we weren't meant to do it, it is strange how humanity tends to self govern. Then again that's just the actions of the past Billions and Billions of people.. Basically I'm saying people don't have to, and many have not or still don't.
I had a mushroom trip where I went inside my mind unconcious and I saw infinity reaching the cusp of nothing. It told me that within nothing is all possibilities and that conciousness's job is to move towards infinite complexity to reach nothing again. It was as if everything was nothing, in equillibrium with itself.
I kinda wish Joe understood the explanation of Conway's Game of Life. It's a pretty interesting idea to relate to simulations. Basically, instead of designing the complex end result of the simulation and creating to that end result, like game developers do now with VR games (which fall extremely short of an experience that you forget isn't real, potentially like our current life experience might be), it's the idea that you could create a simulation from the bottom up instead; create tiny units that interact with eachother in such a way that they can, on their own, merge and evolve into bigger and more complex things, such as self-sustaining lifeforms. So the idea is that, as evolution is already an observable thing, it isn't so far fetched that a simulation exists where some sort of lifeforms made some elements/atoms (sorry my chemistry isn't good) and threw them in a pot which interacted and reacted with each other, so as to develop into bigger and more complex lifeforms struggling for existence. Only thing is that with this simulation idea, we are limited, because calculating what the end result will be like would be very hard, like the creation of self-sufficient AI. It also might mean that we wouldn't necessarily be able to be part of a simulation we make, using this method. Someone correct me if I'm off.
Damn! 5:50 Lex is talking about the complexity that can stem from simple building blocks and Turing machines, I just had to do a uni assignment on Turing machines and this was exactly one of my points. Binary outcome environments can be the foundation for very advanced systems, take the financial markets for example, the shear complexity, brain power and monetary investment that goes into analysing something that can only go up or down.. Lex definitely explains it way better than I did though
That's a sign of someone who is truly enlightened. In fact this person climbed to the apex of a Dunning-Krueger plot and slid down the other side. Definitely an expert.
The only reason I can listen to this simulation theory stuff is that when I did 1000ug of acid, when I lost consciousness I was in a state where I saw so many different scenarios and indescribable colors, time didn’t exist, I didn’t exist and I was omit from reality completely and it sped up then started lagging like a program until it short circuited and cut out, then I woke up
I smoked DMT sandwiched in Changa... and the room I was in, along with my friend disappeared. The most intense part of the experience, was that I also disappeared. I had no knowledge of ever existing. I was just an awareness and could see all these complex geometric wheels spinning in this boundless space I was in. That space or substrate I was in felt like the real world... and when I came down off the trip - it felt like I was back into some kind of clay animation. My friend, my body, the room... it all felt fake.
Yeah like when people have breakthroughs like that on psychedelics a lot of people say they se like everything pixelating or everything turns to code or somethin that in the realm of the simulation theory
was just thinking about this before seeing the video. I can remember as a kid of 4 thinking about everything being revolved around me. no past or feature after me and having no way to prove that untrue.
@@Customk123 Yup, it's an easy way to fall into sociopathy. Not being able to dispel something does not mean it is true, so operating under the assumption it is true is faulty logic.
They’re mad because the concept behind science consists of observation, inferences and other things suggesting proof. There’s no way (yet) to prove that we’re in a simulation, not because he asked a question
Because simulation theory cannot be empirically tested it cannot be proven right or wrong. Its essentially a philosophy question, or a scifi philiosphy question. Not really worth debating when the scientific community could be focusing on something more important, such as making sure the human race survives long enough to even create simulations in the first place.
Josh which is dumb (of them) because how do you begin to formulate basic ideas about how to possibly conduct observations, interferences, etc without talking through and expanding on the idea?
@@Cummer24 Try the next. Can you make a simulation where beings are something, but they don't remember and trying to become something else, they cannot and will pretend a lie about forever? ... No, it is not simulation. It is a hypnotic dream, influenced by a simulation (as you are an avatar in avatar world, but you are not in it, only in your dream). I think it can be tested that no simulation could exist where lying non stop is a winning strategy. Nonsense.
Mum calls kid down for dinner... Avatar falls asleep at the wheel, crashes, and spends the next decade in a coma. Kid finishes dinner... Avatar wakes up from coma. It all makes sense now.
If anyone is wondering; When he says at the beginning their is 4 outcomes and then only names 3, the 4th outcome is we have the capabilities but decide that it is immoral.
@@andreybashkin9030 2nd is we loose interest before inventing the technology at all. 4th is the technology gets so good that we realize it's immoral to continue, and endow simulations with rights and place restrictions on the development of the technology.
@@funkogalleries8342 You could further subdivide every option into a number of slightly different scenarios, of course. The whole argument is going to be harder to understand, memorise and explain. However, it will give opportunity for broader discussions for those who's interested. As I am only slightly aware of this subject, I like to keep it simple, for the sake of keeping my own sanity: 1. They can't 2. They choose not to 3. They have done so.
If we are in a simulation, I find it unlikely that we could replicate consciousness perfectly. So if this is a simulation, reality is probably vastly different
He hit the nail on the head when he asked what would be a game you'd want to stay in. Would we really voluntarily be here, living this boring existence?
Cryptic Hippie I think it’s more about with some people, life just isn’t a great experience because of the way their life has unfolded to that point. Some people might very well prefer a virtual existence over a physical existence as a way of escape.
SuperSaiyanTaco but it would have to feel totally real. And then. To really enjoy the “new virtual life” you would really need to erase past life memories. But then, who takes care of you? Who pays for the simulation? So many questions. What happens when simulation is over? You come to the realization that you can no longer use the sim for some unknown reason. And now you only know the life in the sim. Fucking crazy paradoxes.
The outside world may be a really boring place, our game may be geopolitical in nature, the simulation may be some kind of scientific research, our universe may be a simple thought in the mind of a 11 dimensional being...
@@tokyoDRIFTA That's only because you've never tried DMT. Have you ever considered that chimps might be considering these very ideas without our knowledge? Look up the Bondo Ape, could be worth a glance.
lex has a pretty good show, and his commitment to wearing the suit is unparallelled - he did an interview in the middle of the amazon wearing his suit 😂
