day 7482 of bycloud pronouncing something wrong: it's Touhou project (Japanese pronunciation) not DongFang Project (Chinese pronunciation) please don't revoke my weeb license I swear it was an accident
I'm a Touhou fan who's played a ton of fangames - including a couple Chinese SHMUPs - and I didn't even know that's how one pronounces the Touhou kanji in Chinese. I don't blame you for making that mistake!
Which is actually too bad because "AI" can't do anything useful beyond that lol. Like who ever asked for AI create "art"? That would the last thing anyone would think of honestly.
That's how researchers think though. "What's the hardest problem I can try to solve?" Turned out that the correct approach wasn't that hard to find. People misjudge what AI is good and bad for. Generally, problems that have a lot of data available and don't need insane accuracy are ideal for machine learning solutions. The old way of thinking about AI as this cold and calculating entity couldn't be further from the truth.
If anything Ai is helping the low skilled since any low skilled artist can generate art to sell with just a few prompts. On the other hand since any random joe can do this, the demand will for artists will be lower.
@@knellycornnan5132 Sounds like a skill issue to me, using A.I art is just sad by the time the A.I is done with your art you start to realize that you're hopeless and you'll be nothing without A.I
But like with art you can improve singificantly. At some point I sat down and focused only on hands in different poisitions and angles and I improved so much in few tries But it's not really hard to improve from from shit
AI is getting better at this by the day. I think it’s safe to expect fully AI-made media in a few years from now, since the programmers behind it are hard at work and making significant progress faster than anyone could think
@@realdragon exactly which is why the robot doing the same thing as you expect with fake oil painting not sketches is funny, it’s beyond monkey brain can’t hold pencil and needs to work on shading. it’s just that hands are strange to draw/conceptualize at all because they’re a complex structure that reflects light oddly due to its multifaceted nature/ transferring that into to the flattening of depth that happens between an object to an image. They’re not bad at designing hands they were bad at understanding 3D/2D and concepts like folding because everything they understand is 2Dimage with no depth just color values. They skip the whole I need to draw my 3D had as 2D because all hands are 2D to them they didn’t choose to figure out how to unfold your hand they just needed to figure out how to color it flat at the correct angles.
@@nsv8613 as an artist I do too especially when I was graduating and NFTs was a legitimate main method of monetization/ growing a social media presence, along with entertainment industries basically having schools to produce workers of their studios There’s not really a point for hand drawing 2D animation or digitally creating/altering 3D animation when there’s an automated system doing it in 1/3 of the hours you could produce content. When you’re in a work force that’s made for large scale manufactung/production not independent creativity/ roles. (Directors/Producers are different then hair-shine/weight for the same production. The wigs are good but it’s not the star even if it’s 70%of the character like Rapunzel ) You just need to operate a computer anyway to make it work instead of having animators your artists will just be AI managers who feed the AI input and organize the story board essentially. Same job you just learn a different computer program it’s not gonna be the end of the world just the end of that medium as it’s ever created today. Out with the Stone Age and all that knowledge/craft let’s get that iron pumping
The horrifying thing about this is that the more artists try to get better and better to "combat" AI generated art, the more art the AI they're fighting against can learn from. Basically creating an endless feedback loop.
@@DrLimeGreen Isn't that pretty much most of the industrial revolution. Artisans build tools to build factories, unaware that those factories will ultimately replace them.
@@lazzie7495 No, its not. Those tools were given with consent. No artist was asked if their work could be used, it was simply taken without permission. Uploading work for public viewing is not permission to use that work, especially not to profit. This is creative ownership law 101.
AI doesn't use "sources" though. You could detect that is was generated by an AI, but that's where it would end. The AI uses its cumulation of knowledge it gained by looking at millions of images to generate an image. Terabytes of data goes in, but the resulting (fp16) model is only 2gb. The training images are absolutely nowhere to be found in the AI.
@@sa1t938 AI does and does not use sources at the same time. it is true, if you image search an AI generated image, there will be no legitimate source for it, however, deepfake detection AI can determine what processes have been used, and what images have been used in the creation of the fresh AI generated image, and then search for those. as AI was never, is never and will never be original art.
@@harbringer11 To people that sound like this I aleays reply with money because it don't matter if "it is better for people", it's just cheaper and that is way more important to business
As an artist, I think AI is gonna kill artists : If we've reached a point where we can't tell the difference between real and fake art then I'm actually super scared.. Plus, there's been a lot of people scamming artists by taking their sketches (which is usually before the payment) and ghost the artist and let the AI finish the job.. Edit: I've never got so many likes wtf- thanks y'all X)
@@tteqhu yep i agree but on Twitter there's this one person that posts AI and it looks like an exaggerated Sakimi-chan art style, I thought it was actual art until I read the user 😭
As an aspiring artist myself, I'm definetly dreading the effect this will have, but I'm not terrified. This may sound snobbish or that I'm just coping, but art as a whole will stay the same. It's always been a method of self expression and beauty through a uniquely human lense, and to try and say that art is soley a method of making a desired picture makes you sound like a heartless robot. Human's already invented the camera so that we wouldn't need artists to spend days working on photo-realism and all that happened was that art got more creative and our need for art didn't stop. Humans still paint scenery that could easily be captured with a photo because it's fun and we like it. All that I'm dreading are the detached, souless dopes that just treat art like it's a product trying to convince everyone that this is the future. They're gonna try to talk down commission artists "because an AI can do it for free", and they'll probably convince some people that humanity doesn't have hobbies and passions because they're fun, but because we're all a hivemind on a quest for perfect efficiency with no personal expression.
Perfectly put. I was getting a little worried too: I'm not a professional artist, but I love making art and it's disheartening to see an AI make something that would take me decades of practice to even come close to making. Like colour theory for example: it's something than an AI can learn in seconds but for me it's been years and I still haven't mastered it. But here's the thing. I like drawing other people's OC's as a sort if present for them. If I just got an AI to do it in seconds, would they find that picture valuable? If the AI made something extravagant and I pretended that I made it, then they would be flattered. But if I told them an AI did it, they'd be disappointed. Same as if someone made an AI draw a picture for me, and gave it as a present: it's not worth much to me. I could've done that myself. I think we value the effort put into art as much as the final product
Maybe it's a question of scarcity. We have an endless supply of free, beautiful AI art. But since we can make as much of it as we want effortlessly, it's worthless. The higher the supply, the lower we value something. I could see some, I don't know, "luxury" AI generated art becoming a thing in the future though. Like, if lack of scarcity is making AI generated art worthless, someone marketing their AI as better than the rest or more refined, then place a paywall so it costs a lot to make any art with it, might be able to create pieces that we consider higher value
@@andynonymous6769 I honestly don't think a luxury AI would manage to be that successful, to be honest. I just can't see it becoming more than just a novelty. AI can make some damn well impressive stuff but even now people aren't impressed by the detail or skill of the art but by the advancement of the technology involved. I think once the novelty wears off people are going to try using it for other things like how they moved on from chess AI's. They were an obsession for a lot of people as they were nearing human levels of skill, but the moment they surpassed it all interested dropped. We don't see people designing better ones anymore because no one cares if they can beat eachother. Same goes for art, I'd say.
scarcity isn't what makes us human. intention is. art is about intention. we've barely seen the level of art this ai will allow; ai gives everyone an immense intelligence boost, allowing us to download skills to our computers and integrate them with our tools. but until reinforcement learners are entirely trained from scratch that do these same things, these ais won't be independent people with their own intentions.
As an animator in the industry and a hobbyist illustrator, this MIGHT concern me but it might also help me. We look at this as if it's literal Skynet taking over but is it really? Maybe we don't need to work on one art piece at a time anymore. Maybe the future of art is a whole collection of pieces instead. Maybe the new era of art is that everyone creates their own comic book or visual novel. Heck, OpenAI codex is an AI that writes code in 12 different languages. Why would programmers jeopardize their own field? I think they wouldn't. They made this AI to help coders write the programs they want with far less troubleshooting! Sure, inexperienced coders would be able to write code without going through proper academic training, but you'd still need to know how to code in order to verify what's being written. Same thing for AI generated art! You'd still need to be a creative person to make amazing art, generated or not.
Yeah a comic is still light years away from the capabilities of ai and it doesn't seem like this could ve solved in a couple months like other issues. ai to this day doesn't give the same result from the same prompt so how is it going go achieve character consistency in different angles and vignettes is beyond me
@@sisyphusofephyra7801 Well yes. For now, making sequential art with AI might be a bit of stretch. Getting specific angles with specific poses and expressions can sometimes be impossible. And also removing specific details, or even adding them would also be difficult at the moment. I want to say it might take a few years before it's possible... but I really can't tell.
idk man, companies like disney hate they're animators and artists so i am 100% sure that if they *could* they would gladly replace all of them with AI, let's be real here AI will take over animators and aritsts in general
@@eliescobis9922 Well if "being real" is the only way to look at things, then I guess we'd all better start learning to flip burgers or handle food delivery. That or a suicide pact, cause I ain't living on the street!
As an artist I’m glad that I have subjected my art to just a hobby and not a potential career option before all of this stuff came around, like all of this art is so much better than mine and a computer made it in minutes… I don’t know if I should be worried or excited.
I would not be worried. The AI still can not come up with original work. It has to take images and art styles that already exist to create its work. Human artists have their own unique styles that they have created or discovered. Even when the AI is told to make something random it still searches for images and works created by others because it has to.
@@gabe9045 to be fair, humans just combine different art styles to get a unique art style. I think artist are just screwed at this point (at least for people that do art commissions).
@@kurt8436 I disagree. An artstyle is not just a combination of different art styles, it is also a how each and every person works with the instruments they've been given.
Well it doesn’t matter which you choose, the path AI is set on is very clear, so you can either be miserable or find something of positivity in the change
Sadly, as I pointed out ton a friend recently, AI is only going to take the good jobs, not the crappy jobs that still need to be done. I don't want AI giving me customer service, deciding if I'm right for a job opening, writing my books and copy, or doing my art for me, but I'd love it if it could clean the toilet. Unfortunately reality is moving in the opposite direction.
AI is the first step towards the elimination of the working class by the rich and the powerful, as they saw no use to keep something they deemed dirty and unworthy of them. As automation advances and things became easier to produce, replacing humans that used to produce them, the people that owns these technologies that is usually the rich people with capital, will have to decide what to do with these "leftover human resource" that is no longer "useful", they are stripped of their jobs and income and will soon be starving and angry, what will they do? Appease them ?? Lmao nope, it is only natural that they will get rid of them, that would be you and me in the future, the future with no love and care, there will be mass killings of undesirables, the automation wouldnt helped u, as they are there to help the rich
So it's only alright if the blue collar peasants lose their jobs? Lol how high and mighty are afraid that their white collar jobs are on the chopping block because of AI lot more white collar jobs are at risk than one would think, art is just the beginning.
"right for a job opening" eh, once widespread implementation of AI occurs we will have a job crisis that no one has ever seen on our hands. Essentially we would have to reform the economy in a big way either by completly changing the system or by other methods that will feed the people that can't work without relying on others working, for example a UBI (universal basic income) Also AI is coming for cleaning too, did you think Roombas are the pinnacle of cleaning robots? There's already commercial robots that clean and scrub your floors for you. Also other jobs are being replaced constantly. For example, afaik spaceX prints some of their rocket parts. CNC and other machines replaced blacksmiths. Cars replaced horses (and thus replaced a lot of horse breeders and drivers for the carriages). Factory Workers got replaced too so why would other simple labor and in general labor not be automated someday?
@placeholder The jobs you are referring to are mostly simple things, mechanically. Robots have been best at replacing jobs in which people were already being used to do basic repetitive “robotic” things. The physicality needed to do certain types of jobs is still science fiction as far as robotics go, and for a lot of applications would probably never be cost effective, more akin to having a NASA project clean your toilet. Not sure companies really want a janitor they need a mechanic and an IT guy on hand to maintain. What worries me about AI is a bit more dangerous and existential. AI threatens to replace artists, writers, engineers, doctors, etc. to do not just our work for us, but our planning and thinking and creating. I just saw an article in a science magazine that suggested AI was better at diplomacy than people. A couple of weeks ago, in that same magazine there was an article about the dangers of AI and it started by stating that a full 30% of people working in AI think it could lead to a global disaster on the level of nuclear war. But we are going to do it anyway. Featured another time in the same publication was a long-form interview with a famed British cosmologist who believes that organic life being completely replaced by machine life is the inevitable conclusion of technological advancement. Visionary writers and thinkers have seen this kind of thing coming for a long time. But we’re going to do it anyway.
@@jetsetradio7715 If you read carefully, you'll find that what I said was the blue collor people were the only ones who are not going to lose their jobs.
Yeah, but this rabbit hole is going deep. Obviously people are using it for NSFW anime bitties right now, but in time we will have people creating pictures of their great grandparents based on a handful of pictures of them, and their children and grand children. And then further down the line, completely AI generated videos with AI speech synthesis. This stuff is really cool today, but in decades its going to be both amazing and extremely scary.
I get staying neutral, but keep in mind the NovelAI team said that "copyright should not be an obstacle in AI development" while also charging money to use their AI.
The UK, EU and even Japan have laws that make copyright not an obstacle to AI development. LAION 5B the dataset many use, is made in Germany under EU law (European Artificial Intelligence Act of 2021). The problem is, they forgot to add to the law that models created out of the dataset should be open source as well. If copyright can be circumvented by law for open source, everything made out of it should be forced to stay open source as well imo.
To be fair, you are paying for the tool and the computing power being used. Electricity isn't free, so they have overheads to cover. But yeah, it is a bit ethically questionable. All artists steal from each other in some way. Star Wars was heavily copied from other sources from Japan and influenced by all sorts of things. The legal issues around AI art are going to be interesting when people make money from an art style that is very close to an original artist's work. Since art is subjective I'd like to see how the litigation would fight it.
@@ArcanePath360 True. There was always creative "inspiration" from the works of others. But here with Ai image generation it's the sher speed and efficiency that's creating an issue. It's not just taking one subject and using it as inspiration. It's getting it from millions of work out there. Without any consent. Or compensation. And with the potential to put those people that have been used to train the AI being put out of work. Which one day become a serious issue, because if Ai is only using Ai generated images ... it doesn't give you artistic results - as researchers have found out. There are some serious moral and ethical questions here about a machine that's capable of making almost everything in almost every style in just minutes that would take a human years to learn. I mean making art is a form of expression for people. It's part of their identiy. And when you have someone with an algorithm taking that, striping it down, making something in that style with just a few min. of text writing and claiming it as "theirs"? It's like a form of identity theft. And that really will be a huge issue in the future.
@@CrniWuk It's certainly a fascinating issue, with so many complex arguments. I think using the word "art" is not going to help anyone, since it is a definition that is very arbitrary and difficult to quantify. The same as IP theft. How much of the style being copied can be proved, if it's an amalgamation of many different styles? I myself agree that real art has a back story, where the artist learned their craft and displayed genuine skill to produce it. Somehow a 0.0001 second image being generated, that may look better, just doesn't hold the same weight. However there are commercial applications that don't care about who the artist is, such as designing a poster for a movie or an album cover. It's a huge field to be able to regulate, and how do you stop it? How do you prove it? This may be the ultimate question as other points are just academic. I gave the free software a try for myself, and I think it has a long way to go before real artists loose their jobs. It's one of those evolutionary steps like robots in car factories, digital killing analogue, streaming killing DVDs, Video killing radio, etc etc.
Man, really, right now I want to enter in the animation industry, and I'm in fact studying animation and illustration; but the development of the AI is just scaring the sh*t out of me; what's the point of studiying all of this if then anyone will be able to do the same in a fraction of my time?? (srry for the bad english, is not my first language)
thats exactly the point, you should find a different job before its too late and you're out on the streets begging for food. for me, as a 4th year graphic design and animation student, im super glad i went with the 3D approach to art as opposed to my classmates who went with classic animation and art. these guys and girls will be starving because of their lack of ecknowledgement in AI's viability.
@@kevChess I mean pornography was always the first think people thought of.. even back when the first cameras were made this was literally one of the first things they thought of doing, heck you can even go back to painting, in ancient japan erotic drawings were super common
Even if I don't become successful in my art career. Even if this is how life will be in the future. I won't let anything take away my pleasure of drawing and illustration.
@Juris Angeles This is true. The only problem i have is that when im looking at art from digital artists i wont be able to tell whats real and what isnt. The fact that its made by a robot makes is extremely lame.
@@tcg2717 The server name is Japanese, and the Japanese reading of 東方 is touhou. Dongfang is the Chinese reading of 東方. They use the same characters, but its pronounced differently since its a different language.
He probably just put it in ‘detect-language’ on google translate or something and repeated the text-to-speech, not realising it was supposed to be Japanese
Im not good at studies as well in sports ,just art was a thing that im good at , so i practiced anatomies ,portrait , backgrounds etc for five years after knowing that there are many scopes in creative fields . I wanted to be a full time artist And i improved a lot but now my dream is getting crushed in front of eyes. I was depressed for months but now i had to realise that that's what reality is ,so i decided to study hard to get a job first then i will do art as my hobby and also i will create my own webtoons
Same man, I studied Controlling but always wanted to become an artist. So I made a diploma in Game Art and 3D Animation. After absolving this I struggled finding a job due to corona. Now after optimizing my portfolio and the end of corona I was happy to finaly apply to companies as a 2D/3D artist. But since a week I am very depressed seeing that the future of artists is in great danger due to AI. So I decided to go back to the roots working as a controller and do art just as a hobby. Its very sad.
@@luceskywalker716 man this sucks. Sorry this had to happen to you. I also have been feeling depressed about this idk wat to do. Guess i just gotta go learn some code now...
I want to see how AI Art technologies will improve other fields like reducing animation times for animated television shows and eventually allow for better improv generations in videogame graphics.
Its only a matter of time before AI makes good enough animations given a prompt. Theres already gmpt 3 to make good enough stories and there are lots of teams working in AI generated animation and voices. I can't really see the stop of the progress in this field.
@@h.e.c.t.o.r. I want to become animator in the future, but If ai has progressed so far by then that I can’t get hired by studios because an AI is way cheaper to maintain and it doesn’t have to get paid, then I’d probably be pretty sad
@@adammasterx5854 I doubt this type of AI will ever do this to animation, at least in the near future. Animation is not only kind of more complicated (as it requires tons of images instead of just one), there are also just way less animations for it to learn from in general, as it stands now this kind of "learning" method wont work for that industry. Our equivalent is MoCap, but it is an invaluable tool that we use to reduce workload and pump out AAA games quicker, rather than replacing our jobs
Sucks that artists already are treated like shit in a lot of industries but now this legit seems like eventually artists could just be replaced entirely. If already a lot of people look at AI generated stuff without any touch ups and think it looks great and shit well yeah. Seems dystopic as fuck. Like I've said before, I guess I'm a bit of a doomer about this topic. If we get sci-fi enough every job will eventually be replaceable. And I guess sometimes it just feels inevitable. Specially after this for me at least.
I would not worry. The AI still can not come up with original work. It has to take images and art styles that already exist to create its work. Human artists have their own unique styles that they have created or discovered. Even when the AI is told to make something random it still searches for images and works created by others because it has to. It needs resources like the internet and it needs an image database to go off of. My art teacher use to tell me that to become one of the best artists your work has to look like nothing anyone has ever seen before. That you must keep your mind blank to create something unique and discover your style. That's the main difference between humans and machines. Humans can create something from nothing but machines require resources to create anything.
Im fairly certain AI art is racing towards a ceiling. At a certain point prompts and concepts become too specific for the AI to be able to train on a data set. "ai" still lacks the sentience needed to parse complex concepts and machine learning is dependant on adequate data sets.
i remember a few years ago seeing artist outraged at AI generated art and how AI could never replace actual real artists and uh yea...scary time to be an artist ig
@@something4922 yes but for people who want to make art for a living its a problem if the technology advances too far without human interaction needed. Because who's gonna pay for humans making art if AI art is better? Thats why some artist are fearing these advances in technology.
Damn, I remember one of the reasons I chose a med course over art in college was that I was wondering about the possibility of AI being able to take my job as before I was in college lots of these art related AI were popping up (of course there were still many other reasons, eg the nature of work for artists not matching with my personality) and it's a little scary to see the possibility of it happening so soon lol
Well AI not is taking all the art jobs because if you download the software and try it you'll realize how boring and mind numbing it can be to sit in front of a computer for 2 hours trying to type up the perfect prompt only to wind up with 50 images that look bad and 3 that look good but still have mistakes. People should continue to do art for the joy it provides and the level of skill that can be obtained.
@@MrObsvenchilde wdym it won’t take over ofc it would. Think from a company perspective, would the compny rather spend their time find an artist that fits their ideal, artstyle who may be a fast or slow worker OR just use a software that can produce free images with less coss, more ideal, less resources? Of course there are gonna be mistakes in AI art but like, it is much more efficient and faster to use AI art more than the human one.
This is an excellent video. I also want to share my opinion, so I will share it here. (*Warning - really long comments) AI could replace artists if they actually think of themselves and make their own art. But now, even with all these good-looking art by AI, AI couldn't replace them right now or near future. Right now, AI art focuses on mimicking existing art styles. It's far from 'creating' the actual art. They can only create crafts with the art styles the programmers give them. So as far as no new art style they get, they can't evolve to the next level. Back then, I tried making an AI that generates music with my friends, but it was challenging. There is nothing AI could follow or reach as a goal, so we end up giving AI music ourselves, which AI mimics. This was cool until like 4~5 weeks; after all, it was all the same pattern over and over. Art is a susceptible part of humans; they can tell immediately when they get bored with these things. We tried hard to reach far beyond this, but we never broke that ceiling. And I heard from my friend that the Art AI system is similar to our music AI. This right now might look good, but after 1 or 2 months, it will repeat the same art style repeatedly. Developers of all these art AI are now telling things tough because they know the limit of their technology so well, so they want to use this advantage when technology shows up for the first time. This is what we call 'Marketing.' So the conclusion is this might look good right now, but it will never replace artists, and it shouldn't. This tool will be like AI programming; it writes down the codes. It exists but doesn't replace programmers; we use it to get new ideas or organize codes. But I'm glad artists are getting attention to these technologies and fighting their way back. You see, people always treated artists shitty. At least music has basic laws and systems to protect them, and people always focus on musicians more than paint artists. Even without AI, art always had many problems, and no system or law could protect them. I hope artists fight together against AI and the world tries to ignore and abuse them. Because of these moves, I heard many countries and organizations are making new laws to protect artists. Art is worth it not just because of the result but the progress we make; it gives us who we are. And nothing will replace AI right now or near future. Just because technology is there doesn't mean it can be put right away; we developers need help to compromise with laws and matters of humanity. I'm also a developer, but we shouldn't value technology more than human lives. Or else we are just gonna be live-stock animals.
I like to use it as reference material to draw or the trace for practice, it isn't always easy finding things to reference but if there is one thing to take to heart, it's to avoid going to way of the horse, once the horse used to think it would never be replaced and even with cars coming out it wasn't afraid that it would still be able to live a good life. For now the ai isn't perfect but that doesn't mean it won't get better one day so much so that you become obsolete, a day when all digital art can be generated before you can make it, a day when animation can be automated without a human, a day when even a painting can be made sooner and faster than you can even set up paint and brush the canvas...a day when trying to do anything artistic is meaningless because a machine can make it before you and has. Heed this warning well for while it is a tool now it may very well become a replacement later
@@-_wanderer I'm still baffled so many people Re freaking out. We've been told AI would replace ALL professions eventually, including the creative ones, for years now. At least by AI researches that matter. It just feels like people were collectively plugging their ears when a guy was crying out "FIRE", only to act all shocked when the heat goes up. They had time to make laws and protest this, and they still do. But no one gave a crap because they weren't paying attention. I hope everyone is paying attention now, because this is only the beginning, and this is going to be a bumpy ride. Jobs aren't the only thing at risk here.
@empty shogun a couple of friends talked to me and told the exacr same thing, they feel like part of their identity have been took from them, now everyone can "draw" and all those years they learned how to draw feels wasted
Aimbots can play better than any human Forklifts can lift metric tons more than any human could Ppl don't fill arenas to watch championship of aimbot v aimbot Nor is there a regulated ranking for pro forklift The point being, humans look up to humans, no matter how much better machines can perform human activities
I can already see the freelance art industry dying due to the scammers that will use the AI generated art to pass it on and sell it as drawn art. They can generate something, make a quick pencil tool sketch over it to show their client, then if the client is okay with it, send the final product, then make revisions with the adjustment tools. It's scary
if you see jazza's video on fiverr artists vs ai art. Alot of them just do poorly made photoshop instead of drawing them. Honestly i'd rather have them use ai than do that
@@16m49x3 Or maybe you're a d-head and should do some actual research on how these companies steal copyrighted material and serve as laundry to profit of materials they don't own
As an artist (painter) , that shit is super scary, there will be a day where we won't be able to tell what's real and what's not anymore. That day is nearby. I'm 33 barely making it with my art, and all that shit just demotivates me, I've been really depressed for the past 3months. The talent that I've been working on for decades, is being replaced by some codes. It's developing to fast.
I think we need to look the other way as well. This AI is a tool anyone can use, and the people most qualified to use it are artists. An artist could use an AI generated piece for starting and then elaborate from there.
I'm sorry, but I don't really have a lot of sympathy with artists. It's a shame you're "barely making it", but I'll be frank; it's a luxury profession. I love writing, I enjoy making music, I like building unique things where I can show my craftsmanship. But I'm not nieve enough to think that that's going to pay the bills. I'm sorry you've been sold this view of being privileged to do whatever you want and still make a living, but it's not real. Not all work is equal. Just because you pour hours and hours into a painting doesn't mean it should have a value. It's respectable that you take the time and grow the skill, but that in and of itself is not deserving of a paycheck. Producing usable things that people want is what matters. If you can make people want your art, then that matters. But you're not entitled to it. I would suggest you grow your marketing skills, since that's critical to running a business, and that's what you're doing; running your art business.
Gotta admit, the rapid advances in AI Art make me really glad I didn't sink tens of thousands of dollars into Art School- I much prefer my art as a hobby and a form of expression.
@@tiagodagostini Then there's no point in worrying about it, if whatever I decide to do won't be economically viable next to AI. As an aside, I didn't spend anything on a degree, seemed like a waste of money since many people don't even use the degree they went to school for.
This whole development is a fantastic case study of why open source is fundamental to the technological development of mankind. Technology shouldn't be patented and locked behind closed doors of obfuscation. It should be shared and worked on by anybody that wishes to improve it. Not for the sake of strict monetary gain, but pure hobby and passion. It's amusing to me that often times, the people running the company that manages technologies like this have no idea what they're actually doing beyond the core framework. Little tweaks and fixes across loads of different kinds of apps make the user experience so much better than some guy in a suit that rarely uses the internet making calls for development.
i think that both are great in their own ways. like, if you spend years of your life working on some piece of tech, you're warranted the monetary gains, or at least the recognition for that. on the other hand, open source is exactly what you described and of course it shows more results, because you have an entire community trying different things, making tweaks and giving back feedback
Agreed, I was just thinking this while watching the video. Imagine for a second Stable Diffusion was proprietary and so was CLIP and Dream Booth. The explosion of progress we've had in this field in the last few months just... wouldn't have happened, basically. The claim that copyright has been there to not just to protect creators but to serve as a powerful motivator for progress has long felt false to me, and Open Source routinely proves how hollow it really is. All copyright and IP restrictions really do is stranglehold progress for the sake of corporations monopolizing huge profits & killing any attempt at competition. It's completely disgusting.
When AI can come up with new concepts and Ideas by itself is when artist are doomed, it is not something to be taken lightly, this will impact industries, especially the creative individuals who put years of hardwork to get to where they are, perfecting a craft is not an easy task.
It won't just be artist. it'll be the entertainment industry as a whole. Books, Music, Animation, hell even movies. Super complex stories like lord of the rings will be made in the blink of an eye, Pieces of music more complex than Mozart will be created in seconds and art styles like berserk can be done by anyone . It will destroy human creativity and innovation
@@farhadaa as an artist i dont see why people care? You're doomed? Seriously? Who cares if ai can do better? It makes it easier for non-artist to make something for their themselves without relying on an artist. Plus ai is useful for artists, if you put your own art in an ai then the ai will reproduce using that drawing as a base, and use a datebase of thousands of more experience and thus recreates your own art, but better. You can compare ai and yourself and point out what you need to improve on further. And yes theres a problem with profits but art is art, no matter how good ai gets people will always make art, if you even consider quitting art because of ai then what right to have to call yourself an artist? None at all. People create art because it pleases them, because it is a way to illustrate your very thoughts, because it was most uniquely human to do, just how many animals can make art? Yes we have the apes and chimps but is not withen their nature, we gave them the tools, but we made the tools and used them to make pieces of work nature can never quite recreate no matter how long they evolve, art is forever, art is always changing and will always be something unique to just us.
@@tangokaleidos1926 of course it can but why let it stop us? Writing and art are both uniquely human, traits that only we behold. Writing is something ai cant, there is something special about these pieces of text that ai can never recreate. The only problem with ai is profit. But then again, whats the point of anything considered art, if profit was the only driving force, in the end you'll only end up with a pathetic, half baked pile of waste that would be an insult to all artists of all kinds if one were to even have the gulls to call it "art"
As a “Real” artist I can answer the “How to deal with this” question and that is you aren’t selling your art you are selling the story- that’s your story as an artist the personality. There are plenty of other artists many more advanced people hire me because I am a person they can talk to to develop their designs for branding small business building prototypes and other Assets. If they could go to a free open source - ***GOOD*** if they liked “my style” and could put “my name” in to create art ***GOOD*** as there will always be enough space for “artists” Artist is not one set of skills it’s a type of person who takes interpreting the world into a type of expression. I paint, I draw, I sew, I sculpt If a 3D printer could just listen to my instructions for a design and build it :GOOD! ^its still MY idea As an artist/photographer I donate my art to the public Domain/ Creative Commons as anything I’m not using i feel others Might be able to use I’m giving them all they have to do is search. If the terms on those images help an AI learn what those things are AWESOME
Yup. We've got machines that can crank out a zillion pounds of pottery a year, but people will still pay for custom, handmade ceramic jars. It's the same for all endeavors that have an artistic side - but visual artists are only just now having to deal with machine tools that can do a job more efficiently. Bespoke will *always* have its own value.
Plus... in art you need to consistantly innovate, Ai is amazing , but it gets boring with the time because, art needs to feel fresh... and that's something that only a human artist can do
As a Software Developer, I can say that everything you said also applies to coding. AI-generated software will leave only Code Monkeys out of their jobs. If AI becomes able to achieve the same levels of transcendental innovation Computer Scientists have been achieving over the last decades, unemployment will be the least of the problems we will have to deal with, because at such point we will need to worry about a real Roko's Basilisk and Terminators.
The problem is 99% of people will be satisfied with the "good enough" slop AI generators can produce, they don't care about style as much as we think they do. The small number of whales who pump money into famous artists and get artwork specifically from big creators just for their "brand" rather than skill or technique is not representative of the general masses of art commissioners, the new narrative will simply add AI art to the to the already existing elitism of "ew, you commissioned a no-name artist", but outside of that ditching smaller artists for AI will absolutely become the new norm.
This might be another paradigm shift for the art world in the same way photography was. Similar questions came up about art then. "Why bother creating art when you can just take a photo?" Thus, realism, impressionism, post-impressionism, expressionism, surrealism, cubism, and abstract art were created. Artists of today will likely find an answer to the question "Why create art when an AI can easily generate it?" There's still sculptures and conceptual art, and I imagine artists focused on 2D will find their answer too.
@@maven9323 that's because corporatism technology is being more valued than an individual person. I'm disappointed on where the world is going to, much so the ignorance of the people.
@@untitled2235 It has always been like this. Have you heard of inverters and generators? Those are the things that were popular because of very common "No Electricity" a.k.a loadshedding problem in our nation. After the improvement of hydropowers to generate electricity, all those companies that manufactured inverters, generators got destroyed because no one needed those things. Its the same with art. Destruction of specific jobs of people for the improvement of product for the general consumers. That's why development isn't always all that great.
@@untitled2235 that’s like a horse breeder getting mad that everyone drives cars now. Keep up or get left behind. That’s how we’ve always been and that’s how it’s always gonna be. You can’t stop progress, once we hit a technological singularity there’s no going back.
Blessing or curse? Both, it show you how much we advanced in technologies that we can even create an AI to make art with just an rough image.Yet, it also getting harder to tell what is art or AI art cause it's advancing every day.
I'm currently 18 and preparing to go to art school. I would have never expected ai to be this good and this is probably just the beginning. It makes me scared to think that a pc could replace artists and I think that's kinda shitty, real art is probably going to be treated as stocks and the only thing that will matter is the name of the artists.
@@MnemonicHack It’s an art *school* for a reason - you pursue the subject with the intent of taking it to work-level. Art school follows into jobs in the entertainment industry like animation, concept design etc. It’s supposed to be financially benificial.
@@vel3901 That's one of the fun things about this field. You don't necessarly need a art school to learn the craft, an Employer won't ask for your art certificate but will look at your work and hire you from there.
Replying to all the comments about art not being a stable job: Well yeah if you don't have a name for yourself it's hard but my teacher takes 5 dollars(10 bgn (my currency)) for a 2 hour lesson. With all the students that isn't enough to pay the zoom subscription he lives of selling paintings and lives good. I can't know if I'm gonna be successful or not but there are always different jobs and differend fields. To end it lol art is my passion and a risk but but to call it a fantasy is kinda insulting
When I was in college, design on computers was almost unheard of. We sliced up our hands cutting rubylith to mask off seperations, spec’d colors and prayed they came out right… then photoshop and illustrator changed all that. Now we are at another turning point where artistic skill is no longer relevant. Now it’s the experts in prompts who will have jobs in design, if there ARE any at all.. Mind blowing.
I wonder if AI art, when perfected (perfect anatomy and real-life concepts), will go the way of the super-resolution (megapixel) digital photography: people dislike the "perfect" clean photo, where you can see every pore of the skin in microscopic detail. So people add filters and alter it, to make it look old-tech or imperfect, so it gains personality and your imagination is activated again to fill in the gaps. Same with audio and tv. We are at a technological level, that our brains cannot embrace technology-driven perfection, we still need flaws and imperfecton. Perfection makes a human feel devalued.
We can make a zillion pounds of ceramic jars in a factory, but people still buy handmade pottery. Bespoke *will always* have value, even if mass-production can make an equivalent just as fast and efficiently. People still like handcrafted things. This will, however, put an end to a lot of fiver gigs producing mediocre drawings for $20 a week though
@@TherronKeen maybe the existence of ai force those people get even better and become smart enough to finally get good and get money for it too. Quality stuff Is quality stuff.
I think a major reason why AI is so good at art is because an error in art is much more subjective than with language translation or transcription or self driving. Same reason why AI storytelling is still far worse than AI generated images. An error in storytelling is much less subjective. Same reason why photorealistic images are much harder than stylized ones . Currently how effective our algorithms are is directly related to how acceptable or visable an error is for said task. There is also an important relation of error correction to processing power. That being the harder it is to correct and detect an error the more processing it takes. Error subjectivity and error correction difficulty directly relate to how long it will take for an algorithm to improve at any specific task. I could see AI taking out creative Jobs before others because the errors are much more subjective therefore more acceptable.
I like doing art a lot, but I do a lot more worldbuilding and AI has helped significantly, especially more prompt based ones, to help me with both inspiration and art for different areas. Just a really nice tool. However, if people are actually claiming that they made the art when in fact the AI did, then that's a problem.
@@tyruskarmesin5418 lmao no. The AI is the artist. You are not. If you ask a painter for an art piece, do you claim you did it because it was "a collaborative effort" ? lol
Man, it's so cool that these image generating AIs were trained only on open source and non copyrighted images with the approval of all parties just like with music generating and video generating AIs..... Oh... Oh wait.
Funny thing is no one will know it was cuz theres no evidence of that at this point. The model stores what looks like gibberish to us but it works for the model.
The images don't actually exist inside the ai in any form that isn't fair use. For one the file size would be massive and it just isn't how it works. You don't see Nintendo jumping the usual gun despite many models understanding Mario and Nintendo stuff.
Man, it's so cool that these artists learned only from open source and non copyrighted images with approval of all parties just like all musicians and video makers..... Oh... Oh wait.
@@manana1444 You dont learn by just looking at images. But i guess you're not an artist so you wouldn't know. There are plenty of free tutorials out there. As well as old pdf books. All of which are enough to learn. But lets say that you're right. That artists used copyrighted images to learn... well, at least they don't replace the artist, or make his work meaningless. And Ai outdoing you into meaninglessness is not the same as a human. But i guess your npc brain can't tell.
@@something4922 Two words. Training Data. You can't use copyrighted music to train an Ai, so why can you use copyrighted art? Because in the music industry there are bigger fish to fight, that's why.
3D animation was ment to replace hand-made, but there are still studios that do mostly hand-drawn animation (with even nice outcomes like Demon Slayer in theatres 2020), because it's something immaterial that you can feel in art created by people.
Denial won't help you cope. It'll just lead to another situation down the line were people act like they didn't see it coming when animation studies start using ai generated content. We need to be realistic here, and I hate that this is happening, but we have been warning everyone for years.
I personally won't. I don't care that A.I. exists. I use it for inspiration to create my works, but I believe that whatever I do, it's MY vision, through MY eyes. An A.I. cannot be me.
Honestly coming from the game industry sort of gives me a different look at this sort of thing. We are pro-efficency in development, the more tools that can make us get to the final result the cheapest/quickest the better (As it usually reduces cost of rendering). So honestly, I sort of think we will see a split similarly to the game industry but in artists. One group is hardcore in the old ways, making custom code on their own/reusing their own code from scratch to do what they want The other is more open to the speed modern tools grant them, Unreal Engine and Unity being the major examples of this in the game dev space, with multiple tools made by other companies that are allowed to be used in a shipping product by the developer, and even things like Blueprints in UE can be used as a template while you make your own custom assets to replace those/put the credits for those blueprints and handling of revenue.etc Something similar likely will emerge in the art community in which some artists stick to the old ways, but others use stuff like Stable-Diffusion to help overcome artist's block, or train their own models/extentions to models to hone it to their own personal style and then use Dreambooth to keep characters consistent between renders, and then use their own skill as artists to fix/touch up the final results to a point that could be considered shippable. Heck, some artists are already doing that (Not nessecarily all the above, but some are training their own models off their work or fixing up the output from the standard models using their own skills as artists) Now, the big thing about AI-Art is rights distribution as unlike Blueprints in UE, you can't really hone down what parts of an image came from what unless you are very blatant with doing something like "Drawn in the style of Akira Toriyama" with a character looking like they were out of Dragon Ball. But a consideration that would have to be considered for AI Art in how it's made is well, how the model is trained, the best/most complex models are trained off thousands or now millions of pieces of artwork, all of differening styles/artists/characters/enviroments. To be honest, it can be made analogous to the human brain's own intake and remixing of ideas it gets as it does it's own life, so can you copyright the remixing of ideas of a brain itself? If I make a story that happens to take place in space with laser-swords but follows a story of the last person of a species fighting to become the strongest he can to defeat the foes ahead of him, would that idea in itself be liable of copyright striking from Akira Toriyama and Disney/Lucasarts? Or would it be factored at a more granular level if story-beats over enough stretch of time/specificity copy those properties? Generally it is the latter in film/games/music, which is something we should consider in this.
being studying games design 3d environment for few years now. What you said more less what I keep saying to anyone who does 3D art. I fully understand why Illustrators are scared but for anyone doing 3D this should be amazing the industry has always being about finding methods like this to make production fastest most effective method possible. Seen people complain how easy this makes their jobs but if anything makes it hard more exclusive as another software or system on other ten already need learn. it makes the job more exclusive and if anything learning to do stuff like using AI only makes a person more appealing as an applicant to studios.
This is one of the reasons I hard core am taking criticism to AI art from artists with a grain of salt. One of their biggest knocks against AI are was that you weren't able to use the same subject in different generations. They seemed to be under the impression that it would take a really long time to fix this but it only took like a month.
One. I keep hearing these processes steal art from other artists in order to generate these images. And two. If we can just do it digitally in way less time why are we doing art at all. Those are other more prevelnt issues I think as an artist.
@@NotaArtist someone who is broke but doesnt want to earn cash via a job, or doing chores for money, might say that AI art can totally remove the "steal art from artists" issue in a matter of days if they wanted to, when that is frankly not possible, due to the fact that these AI art bots are literally designed to take images, mash em together by following a very specific script, and then show something that looks either slightly or completely different. I on the other hand say that if people are so lazy as to not even try to earn cash to pay for the time, skill and effort it takes to make a completely original piece of art, then those people should shut their fucking mouths and stop being free advertisement for these AI, because in the end, its not the AI that ruins the art world, as that is just a tool that is not yet capable of thinking for itself, and require human imput to produce, human input that comes from lazy twitter users who have never bought a piece of art in their lives, so they do not truly know the value it has.
@@arakemi1080 Um, no? You’re fundamentally misinformed. That’s not how image generation models work at all. They absolutely do not “take pictures and mash them together following a specific script”. They learn patterns from all the training data, and then generate a completely new image from latent noise. There are plenty of good, accessible explanations of how diffusion models work right here on RU-vid. Computerphile has a few.
@@NotaArtist they literally use the exact same tagging system sites like danbooru or derpibooru use to create their mashups precisely because they are trained with images scrapped directly from those sites. an experienced artist can even tell you what other artists chunks are getting directly plagiarized when a prompt is generated.
@@whatisthisayoutubechannel but... thats people who were fanboying over this kinda stuff kept telling this is how it works, """taking your trash human garbage excuse of an art piece, putting it in a highly complex system and then outputting a masterpiece your human hands can never recreate""" thats basically what most of them told me. i personally wouldnt care if its highly complex or not. i just want to not depend on these AIs to get my commissions. i would much rather get a job and pay a human to draw something completely original than something that looks like your generic MC loving waifu.
One image you described as "real" i 0:35 is in fact arbreeder generation. If you play with this you'll be able to tell in seconds if it's artbreeder or not. (Silver hair, facing forward)
What I find really interesting; especially from the comments, is that many feel that art is being threatened with this technology. On the contrary, this program does not create art; it creates/replicates imagery based on text prompt. The program does not choose the colors meaningfully, lay lines where it wants lines to be, or have feelings about the images in any way. It's more like an auto-Photoshop tool. Pottery, ceramics, glassblowing, are some art forms which come to mind that have been industrialized. We've also been able to effectively do the same thing with music for decades, and is the tool which drives commercial pop; you can auto-generate tracks (based on popular pre-existing structures/skeletons) which you can then modify or tweak to your own liking. tl;dr: I think that we have created incredibly impressive technology, but not recognizing that technology as technology, is what is ultimately hurting artists (of all types).
The purpose of these AIs is in fact to replace artists. I don't know why people keep wanting to ignore this fact. The purpose of this is to build algorithms off the back of real artists by being fed copyrighted artwork without the artists' consent so that the artists may no longer be needed to create similar artwork.
It is impossible to replace an artist. While yes, it can imitate an art style, the AI can never truly grasp the expression of the artist. I can speak on this matter as I have experimented thouroughly with it and it fail to understand what that artist would create but rather what it think would be there. a prime example, i tried to recreate the new cyberpunk anime art style of what i would look like and it kept giving me rough result of my clothings that would not make sense or just bad in general. Can this be improve? yes, but it would forever as this is more of a size problem than lack of ability as the AI does not have the knowledge of a specific piece of clothings. For an AI to truly be able to generate something flawlessly, it would need billions of pictures of every single objects that has ever existed, at every angles, at every variations of colors, shape, and size, the style that it is presented(3d, real, 2d, cell-shaded), the description that a person would refer it to as, and what it is. 20 photos only worked, in the video as he has said, is because that billions has come before it. There are reasons why these AI costed billions to make and yet it still can't do everything.
No, the purpose of ai is helping people adventure into dangerous territory. It just people who misuse it. May as well shut down hospital because it not helping dead people back to life.
Just 10 years ago the biggest argument against computers being able to gain sentients was everyone saying " a computer cant create art or music a human will always be needed for those" and look how close we are on that side of this now... I tell people just cause it doesn't make sense to you now doesn't mean it's impossible
People keep moving the goalpost, too. Now they're saying the art isn't good enough. I bet by the time we have actual AGI people will just flat out say, "no, they have to have organic brains" and then when they have organic brains they'll be like, "no, they have to be born from a human womb and blah blah blah". Basically, the denial will never go, and it will be the death of us because no one is truly taking it seriously. Even the ones against it will downplay it's abilities, and more importantly just how crazy the progress has been and will get.
@@cortster12 we ourselves are nothing but a biological machine ... And I've argued for a while where it not all humans are truly sentient. By or defenitly it's the ability to perceive and our feel things.... We've got mental illnesses that prevent some humans from experiencing the shared delusion of what reality is... So to them the defenition of perception is iffy ... We've got psychopaths we are incapable of feeling... Those are 2 basic examples of sentients not being an obvious thing... And again maybe you want to base it on being self aware... narcissist have an inflated egos that that over extend the understanding of themselves and the environment around them... Same thing for those with incredibly low confidence in the reverse way... Right now I'm just giving basic honestly arguable reasoning... But yes I don't believe all humans fit the level of complexity we plan to hold machines to. Don't get me wrong I don't believe machines are fully there yet. But I do believe machines are already closer than a large chunk of us... It's hubris to believe it'll be impossible
Do art anyway. Art will never die completely. Sure it can create images that look indistinguishable from human made art, but do you say art is dead just because another person draws better than you or faster? What you make is still unique!!
It's not the fact that A.I. can draw that is the issue. The issue is that it will devalue a real artists work, putting them out of a job and robbing them of doing what they love. After all, why pay dozens to hundreds of dollars and wait weeks for a drawing from a human when you can get it for free in minutes from an A.I?
Also there's the fact that these A.I.s are trained using copyrighted material that is unaccredited. but because most artists either do not know or don't have the capability to defend their art the A.I. model makers can use whatever they want (Unlike A.I. music generators where music labels were able to force them to use copyright free material.)
@@Yutiradon Isn’t your brain trained using copywriter material? Don't misunderstand, I agree, but there needs to be a better argument since future AI won't have this limitation and will train more like actual humans, and it will be argued that if it’s copywrite infringement, then a human looking at something and training their own brain is that as well. Which will be an argument, and it WILL win the cases in the future when AI starts training using something akin to real neurons.
@@cortster12 I can't just recommend this video enough: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tjSxFAGP9Ss.html It has many good points on why we should be cautious about HOW AI it's currently trained. SPOILERS: It's basically "copyright laundry" AI trainers should still pay for their referenced pictures just as artists should pay for paywalled references.
yeah but now only something the wealthy will be able to afford, who's gonna comission you when they can get something instantaneously and for free? you cant really do it as a hobby while you're spending more and more time working to keep a roof over your head and now you wont be able to get the extra income from comission work
I was finally ready to dedicate myself to becoming an artist just at the same time that I discovered the whole AI problem. For me this topic literally concerns life and death (think of stuff like mental health and philosophy). Now it started to look like making a living off of digital painting is something that is way too risky. I am starting to doubt how long I am going to be alive. Of course people don't care. I am not sure that they even should. It's not your problem the suffering of strangers. If it's not clear already - this thing cannot be stopped. I can't see the future, but this at least is obvious. What's the point of this comment? I don't know. I guess I am spreading awareness or something. If AI automates boring tasks it's fine, If AI steals your dream - not so much.
I am sorry to say but if this is enough to bring you down and even make you have existential crisis to the point of life and death, i dont think youd make it with art as a job path. You gotta realise the art industry is filled with people who are 10 times better than these AI's and youre competing with them in the end. Art like any other field is a long road with a lot of struggles, you will spend years just to get somewhere and you wont get any recognition or much help for those years-just like when beginning any kind of profession. I understand this might be demoralising to beginners but the reality isnt this bad if you just treat it as an enjoyable hobby or plan to take small commissions etc, now if you plan to actually get into concept design/illustration/vis dev and so on then you have to change your mindset and accept that you will have to put in work for years to come and that this AI art isnt much when compared to pro artists. Im sorry but if this is enough to demoralise you i think maybe think about stuff deeply
it is a tool. there have been a great many tools used by artists throughout the ages. think of etchings, you can't sell your trade doing etchings to the newspaper anymore, or what digital art meant to painters. you can dig in your heals and suffer for it, or you can accept that the environment has changed, or rather has never been stationary as you and I might've imagined it to be.
On one hand, it is pretty terrifying that many artist below a certain skill threshold can be replaced with AI. But on the other hand, this can make it so that animators wouldn't have to work themselves to death to make high quality animation and finally give animators a reasonable working condition.
@UmbrellaBR You mean Japanese corporate elite would love this because they can cut costs on paying animators. The actual workers wouldn't like this at all.
Yeah, but Animation studio bosses will most likely just fire them and use AI, or lower their salary, because there's no profit in allowing someone to live decently.
Hey, what a great video! While some of the info was general (which is fine) what really gave me value was the more esoteric stuff like how CLIP skip worked, even in passing.
transformers like CLIP and BLIP are the only reason these tools work as good as they do. Being able to encode ideas with tokens is kinda mimicking how we store ideas as bunch of neurons firings.
'Ill remain neutral about novelai', I too am neutral about the situation as someone who is not a customer but now has a lot of experience with their product...
I personally think it’s going to be used more for the previs phase where concept art techniques such as photo bashing is usually used often. I think it will also get some use in indie game dev where it can be used to make textures as well for its previously mentioned potential in concept art.
Yep. Thats why i am uploading only most generic stuff in the enternet from now on. Just like that i am preventing the most of my innovative art pices from trapping into techbros greasy handsies. It will stay with me. To the grave.
I see it now only as a fad, a toy that people are playing with just because it's new. It really is concerning in the meantime because of the hype but I don't think it will replace artists all together. Since art is subjective, tastes are also subjective. AI art may be able to create convincing images but I don't think that's enough to really replace artists. There are already a lot of artists that can do amazing work and one amazing artist isn't really replacing another amazing one because of that. People just flock to the artists they like for whatever reason they have, be it the artist's style or subjects or personality. I think of AI art programs as new professional artists that emerged - will they really replace all of those reason why people follow artists? It’s not like I ignored all other lewd (or any subject/style you prefer) artists after discovering Sakimi-chan (or name other popular artist you know) or something. Also, I don’t really see AI art as having much value. If they can be made by anyone at any time with any subject matter - then where’s the value in that? I look up to artists because I love what they do and wish that one day I could achieve something similar. If I could make AI art the same as any other guy then why would I want to follow them? AI art is its own flavor or style, it’s not gonna replace my love for the art by the artists I follow. In the end I think AI art can exist along side regular art.
Unfortunately most don’t really care about art (in the purest sense of the word), they accept what’s fed to them by entertainment and social media companies. With AI ‘art’ becoming more convincing, creative jobs at those companies will be reduced drastically, and the companies will be able to retain more profit and influence . But, the market for fine art and craftsmanship will probably not be affected and may even grow in value, if not audience size, as they become more novel and niche.
@@diemes5463 I see your point, I was only thinking about fine artists and not ones working corporate and design jobs since most AI art topics I see mostly talk about illustrations, not graphic design and other art that we can consider functional. That does sound more worrying for them since those for kind of creations we don't really attach an artist/designer behind the scenes.
@@thiscommunityisgarbage8581 Yeah, I guess you're right, reading Diemes' comment made me realize this doesn't only affect fine art, it could also affect functional art. In that case, it really can be replaced by automation since it doesn't really require "soul" or emotion.
@@AnEnderNon Our intuition was right tho. That is the case. What AI is doing is remixing from huge database of images and gluing them together. It doesn't have creative ability as we know it.
@@amysennett7001 When a more convenient Technology is invented people tend to use the fuck out of it. I have to remind you that this is only the beginning. People will learn how to use it better and the ai Technology will advance overall. This could take many artists job and even the remaining artists will use it as a way to speed up their work which will only help it.
Less dystopian more efficient, who said art had to take time or be overly expensive? Isnt the point of art to be accessible to the masses? Whats the point of art that nobody sees, then again this might save a few aspiring artists to switch degrees before its too late
I for one am really looking forward to the opportunity for artificial intelligence coding software to be enhanced with a hybrid user interface of artificial generated artwork. We're talking blueprint engineer diagram editing visual interfaces. Generating entirely modulated components like in-painting that can be implemented into custom programs. Various editing techniques can be imported or exported. Like the modding community on crack.
Can't wait until this software goes into generating realistic videos like a nuclear blast going off in Guatemala. It would be so hilarious how to trick people on the internet about news stories
I am a bit worried for artists too, having been a career artist for a long time. However, I'm also going to stay on top of things and am experimenting with it. More important to me though, is this idea that AI art needs to be controlled. If you want to control what can be done with any tool, you aren't an artist in my opinion. How'd you like it if Photoshop routinely refused to do what you wanted it to because the creators didn't approve.? I'm sick of the the thought-control BS that is all too common these days.
@@AnEnderNon Thanks for the tip. I actually know that and am currently using a non word-restricted GUI implementation written by a guy with a Patreon. However most of the commercial products available are quite restricted and essentially have to sign and agreement to not do anything bad to DL the Stable Diffusion model. The gray area becomes, how do you define whats bad and in what context? Also what limits if any should be placed on AI art creation tools is a big topic of conversation right now, so well worth bringing up.
I still remember back in University like 10 years ago, we Computing students sometimes has to ask Design students for advice, how to make something more appeal, eye-catching cause we only focus on coding stuff. While art is usually objective, we have some discussion on the "art work" and different person have different opinion. We on one hand, very appreciate the "product" given by designers, and the work they've done, but it's very time consuming for we human to discuss aesthetic stuff. We usually goes into "why not blablabla" "which color blablabla" "how about adding blablabla" stuffs, and comes no conclusion. Having AI Generated Art would bring HUGE impact on the whole industry, we could just ask AI for 10000 artworks for us to choose, instead of some endless discussion on styles or skill levels. Don't get me wrong, I'm actually worried too, but I think the true meaning of design is "which we choose" instead of "how many we make", the future of designing will be more like 99%decision making, 1% art skill.
Specially on point said in @7:05, the problem is that most of the artists I really like are always "comms closed", so there's no real problem with money going from artists to AI coders, because artists themselves just do what they want on patreon and other sources, with characters and fanarts they want which might not be what I as a customer want. It's getting really hard to find people you genuinely like that also accept comms for stuff you want. So what's to stop me from actually spending on people who DO want my money to fine tune an AI and then I ask AI to do the image I want for me? Yes, I'd have to point to the AI to use that favorite artist's style as a base, which is exactly the current issue - people using AI to mimic their favorite artist - but the fact that THAT artist doesn't want my money is the conflicting thing.
This video inspired me to try some indecent things with an A.I. generator. Most likely there was no nudity in the learnset for decency reasons, meaning the model have never seen a naked person. It might yield some hilarious results trying to force it to imagine what a human body looks like.
@@TherronKeen There are many that have them turned off. If you run them yourself or via colab you can also just torn off the filters. There's also fine tuned porn models already and communities dedicated to making Ai porn.
Oh, there absolutely was nudity in the Stable Diffusion Training set, plenty of it in fact. There's are big discord and other communities as well dedicated to creating AI porn with Stable Diffusion, some fine tuned models and its growing every day.
Everyone thought that the first jobs that were gonna be taken by robots would be entry level, service industry jobs. Who would have guessed that in actuality, they’d be coming for the furry porn commission artists.
Crazy stuff, man. I'm currently taking, game development course. After seeing this video, I will definitely be focusing on the technical, software sides more..
Admittedly, ai might actually be a major benefit for the indie game community because everything triple-A will become (more) soulless. But, indie games have a tendency to do better when they’re based around an original concept, or at least based around an existing concept done in an original way. (I’m basically saying that AI will probably never replace indie developers)
I wonder if this technique could speed up manga/anime production? As this develops, indie manga stories are going to shoot through the sky. Seems like skillful and thought provoking stories are the way for artists to express themselves going forward.
It must help with consistency for waifus that every anime girl pretty much has the same face just different hair. I'd like to see its level of consistency for real faces.
Its only a matter of time until it reaches more and more aspects of creation. Music could very well eventually be made by ai, in an indistinguishable way from the music humans make
I’m still one who thinks that this could be massively beneficial if treated with respect and caution. I just graduated with my diploma in 3D animation and VFX, and I honestly think that AI art will only further boost my creative potential. Using it as a helpful tool rather than a toy for my models and animations -and pairing that with my already creative mind- will be a great boon in my opinion. Is there some fear? Of course, but I also see the enormously beneficial potential of technology like this.
I'm using it to fine tune concepts for models on my immersive sim. Im also feeding textures if faces in to make slight alternatives to NPcs. Means I can create an endless amount of random NPCs to fill areas
I think this is the right way to think about it. AI is just a tool. It can generate the base image for you, but an artist can always improve it with their understanding of art.
Im kind of suprised that there arent more problems about AI generated porn of celeberties, since the internet was basically made for it. AI generated art probably will kill a lot of jobs for smaller artists, since popular artists still will be requested. Since I draw as a hobby this wont effect me much and might be help full as a background generator.
There was one that recently got shut down, don't remember it's name thought, anyways that's exactly what I was thinking with ai generated art, furries, weebs and vanilla p- will definitely get a lot cheaper with people trying so hard to catch up with an ai even though they physically aren't able to
I'm mixed about this. I'm not an artist but I've loved drawing and painting when I was a kid and all throughout my teenage years. When I got to uni and my adult years, I tried drawing and painting again when I got older and older, but I've always hated the results, it wasn't how it was when I was a kid. I was broken about this because the hobby I loved back then isn't quite enjoyable to me anymore. If I used AI and then tried to copy or used them for inspiration, I feel like I can finally get back to it. I'm not a good artist, I just did paintings or drawings with what I could see and tried to copy. I liked pokemon, anime, and landscapes as subjects and did different styles for them. I think AI art might help me to cope with this and maybe give a light for me to try lighting my passion for this hobby again. edit: i know what i said about my comment in the replies. I've tried a bit of AI art to do what I said in this comment. AI art does need effort too to get the right keywords and get the AI to do what you want it to do. still, there's just something about art that's done in your room, on a blank canvass or any physical medium, the time it takes to do it and finish it, and that feel good moment when you're satisfied with how you did it and what it took to get to it. I'm not saying AI art doesn't have this, but it just doesn't work for me. I have something in my head and AI just doesn't get it. If there's a subject in AI art, it's usually just a single subject, there's no one subject and another in the background. In short, AI art clearly has its limits. I don't see it getting out of hand and I don't see when it can get out of hand any time soon.
@@Legomicroman I've always thought this was how AI art was meant to be used. I'm not trying to be an elitist or gatekeeping from "AI Artists" but I've always understood that when you put in your effort, your art is more felt and recognized. AI art doesn't have that "emotion" or something, disclaimer: I'm not a connoisseur, but you do feel something when you see art that's made with effort. That's why there are different styles.
As both a programmer and an artist, I feel so fucking torn over this situation If this shit is open source, its never going away. Just ripping off the band-aid now, this technology is public domain more or less and anyone with the know-how can tinker with it. This could get to a point where people could make free apps on par with Novel AI and use it to make ad revenue. If someone does that, its just going to print money. Yet at the same time, this technology is great for people trying to produce cover art for albums or novels on a budget. Plus, technically speaking, this is more or less what vaporwave is in the music scene (although done by AI rather than being meticulously picked and warped beyond recognition by a human being). We all seem to be fine with plunderphonics, and AI art is fundamentally the same thing. Like, if this is should be illegal, then so should vaporwave and other similar genres that utilize plunderphonics (including Everywhere At the End of Time), and I just don't agree with that. The main problem with this whole situation, ultimately, is that people don't like this technology being used maliciously to pass fake art as being authentic. Its just going to take a lot of self-policing in the art community going forward to solve this (at least in the professional space, its kinda harmless as far as hobbyists go since they're just making art for fun and do it because they love the process and the craft). Synthetic instruments hasn't made analog musicians go away, I don't see why AI art would do the same to actual artists. Like, if you're not getting exposure, its probably because you're either not doing a good job of marketing your art, or aren't networking with other artists. It doesn't matter what field you're in, networking is important if you want to get eyes on you and your projects. In my case, I really don't care who sees my art (i'm not a professional, go figure), but if I ever get around to publishing a book or something with my art in it, I'm going to want to collaborate with people to get as many eyes on my product as possible (such as giving out review copies to influencers or providing a limited time discount code for my book as far as online copies on something like Kindle or whatever go).
There's so many pros and cons to this.. too many to explain. But one of the things that I will say is that the future of Art will be more a form of passion/hobby than a actual career.. same goes for music and animation for games, videos etc. It's amazing and frightening at the same time, and I wonder how the future of this technology will be used.. hopefully we don't see Ai being used for manipulation and lies, especially during competition and career paths. But I'm don't see my wishes coming true.. ppl would rather take the easier route than build the required skills necessary for acknowledgment and praise and that's what worries me. Now anyone can say there a top level designer and get away with to the average eyes..
it means that art will be significantly better in the future. If you're a bad artist, unfortunately no ones going to like your art. This means that the only ones who can shine are those who truly have talent and put in the hard work. Hard work alone shouldnt be enough. Strive for greater.
As a musician I thought that most of the other art people understood that to get a job in art you needed to be one of the lucky 2% but maybe all the other art genres where more fortunate than us and could make a living in it.
Even Chinese fans of the Touhou project don't call it Dong Fang project lol [update] the guy speaks Chinese so put down your pitchforks, this mistake is understandable
@@artemiostriantafyllou7986 going by that, it looks like it's only the Chinese fans that know English call it by the Japanese pronunciation They probably adapted because I and other fans wouldn't understand them if they told us they liked dongfang project lol Wait, that still means the guy hasn't talked to anyone in 東方project AI discord to confirm how to read the name
@@Liminal.Headspace first google result for 東方project AI literally says: "Join a server focused on Intelligent AI Touhou chatbots and raising the bar on what's possible"
I doubt this will kill artists and unique art. If you want a basic waifu digital painting, it can spit those out at a breakneck pace, but they're missing something: context. Photography didn't kill drawing or painting because life-like depictions weren't the inherent goal of either. This will be a powerful tool and if all you're looking for is a cute anime picture, there you go, same as if you wanted a normal picture of a flower, you pick a photograph: you want predictable, now you have it. I don't think this will kill art, but it will force artists to be more intentional with their work. Personally, I'm excited for what this might mean for animation. If you could fine tune the Identifier and the small changes made to each generated image, you could give millions of people the ability to make detailed, fully realized animations. Are they perfect or studio quality? No, but that's never stopped people like Don Hertzfeld from making short films that are simple in design, but powerful in content.
As an artist Ai is nice for maybe help people with ideas heck maybe make us work faster but if people art gonna be stolen ( which did happened) and steal our customers, kinda wish I can burn it
People seem to forget that alot of our favorite classical era artist, didn't get the recognition because people took up art once it blew up and became the paradigm of expression
What so sad about it is that those AI programs are using artwork created by real artist to generate those images. In clearer word they are just stealing artist work. So many are hyped for this but not artists.
We can learn from history. Pablo Picasso was very good at figurative drawing. Scary good actually. Yet he was a painter at the time when photography was becoming more readily available to everyday people. Picasso realized that people would be less willing to pay an artist hundreds of dollars to stand around for hours at a time 3 to 5 days in a row for a portrait when just an hour or two at a photography studio got you a portrait. So Picasso went full abstract. Not only that but in a masterful move of 4d chess, Picasso experimented with light and long exposure to make abstract photography. Marketing companies and shovelware gatcha game companies have been ripping off artists for years, now they'll just use AI for their low effort copy pasta games and facebook adds. I think artists will be fine because your personality makes it's way into your art. Sakimi Chan, Ergo Josh, Loish, Warren Louw, Wasu Art, Mohammed Agbadi, they all have very distinctive styles and a dedicated fan base because of their style, and their presence and interactions with the communities they create around their art. AI generated by lazy and cheep companies and marketing teams wont have that. Yah, AI can copy a style, but those people in the know will know it's a fake and reputable companies that have the money to pay these artists wont want the bad press of using AI to defraud the consumer and rip off those artists.
Due to how these AI 'art' systems work, if we just give it access to the internet and tell it what every image added to the world wide web prior to 2015, it would already have enuf concept art to generate endless stuff, now just remember that we have the stuff added to the web after 2015 as well, and the fact that the moment someone thinks they are running low on art someone else will have uploaded paid commissions they got from some art site and guess what, now it has not just endless+1 but endless+5. Remember guys, no matter how good this might seem, its based on art and concept theft. Remember the old saying, "if its too good to be true, it is" meaning if something seems to be endlessly great is had endless bad things about it too. For AI 'art' to exist it must steal from real human, living and dead, artists.
Its not stealing, if so if you try to learn Picasso art style by looking his art you are stealing his art because in "your" style you have Picasso ideas, feelings, colord etc, the same goes to AI
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 You can't really fully learn nor replicate Picasso(actually a very bad example now that I thionk of it) nor c an your piece be used anywhere, AI art right now is unusable except for PFPs b ut when it advances it encroaches on the Artists who feed their families with their jobs at studios ion horrible work conditions and low pay, the execs will take no time in booting all their artists and try to have the AI do it for them, only to generate soulless shovelware made for a quick buck instead of a creative effort to make a game good, expect a lot of really shitty games to be coming out, and I mean a lot, oh and be ready for game dev suicides because you know they'll be abused beyond belief, anyways, capitalism will ruin everyone once again to make the capitalists richer and the working class once again losing jobs and starving, forced to learn some completely different skill,
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 Also whenever someone makes an art piece in someone's style, not only do they mention them, they also don't sell it/can't sell it, the probnlem with AI isn't the AI itself, but the fact that corpos will be using different concept artist's works while booting them, not compensating them nor even mentioning them, even though it was because of their art that the AI was even able to dop shit.
@@syedshakaibanwar2698 Yeah because its billions of art used, in the grand scale of things individual art doenst matter, its not cooping your especific art, saying that AI is making some type of "art theft" is the same as saying that you need to learn how to draw/paint without seeing any other art because you may incorporate that art style in your own without mentioning the author
how to spot AI images : they look stale as f*ck. oh nice, 10k front view pictures of a graphic representation of an attractive woman standing and looking at the camera. wow. so cool. 😪 maybe i want to innovate and make it wink....aannd oh my god, i won't ever sleep again won't i? those cursed images will hunt me forever 😱 that has been my experience so far with AI art
@@bunnyfreakz i have been tinkering with it and it isn't the big deal, the best results are very static in nature, if you want something somewhat decent you need to do the heavy lifting and train the model, block out the shapes, run it a bunch of times, merge the best parts of each one, fix all the artifacts, add effects, and so on... it's not just one button thing. and i don't see it becoming much better than that, from the model side we can get better results and more control, from the software side we are getting a bunch of cool tools for drawing, but an AI can't deal with all the cognitive process an artist have to deal with.
I don't fear ai myself, but I do understand artist's worries, particularly with customers that have less care for the medium (corporations and cheapskates for example). Though I do think ai could be very helpful for those trying to learn with art, or for inspiration. If someone has a commission for an artist, they could gather some references from google and maybe generate some basic ai images for the artist to get a better picture of what they want. The part of ai growing more advanced that hurts me the most (outside of it potentially harming artists) is that it's a lot harder to get shoddy ai images now. Part of why people liked ai art in the past was just how goofy and unadvanced most of it was. Maybe I don't want a hyperrealistic recreation of [insert anime girl here], maybe I want to see a computer's awful attempt to make something it doesn't fundamentally understand. It has a certain charm to it that's steadily getting lost to time. Someone should gather a bunch of old ai art and train an ai to make a more controlled version of the chaos. Imagine taking a completely normal reference photo and having the ai try to remake it while adding a bunch of uncanny artifacts to it. That's what I want.
Well... The question is why would anyone even want a commission? Even at the current level the AI image is most likely better, faster and thus cheaper than the final product. The argument of "AI can be a tool" is simply incorrect. It's like letting a website solve your math problem and then simply copying it but adding some mistakes here and there to make it less obvious, you just copied it. The original AI piece will be objectively better. And there is no need for an artist.
as an artist,i feel scared edit:crap,the future of art is gonna be messy,real messy and a lot of people,and i mean A LOT LOT of em are gonna lose their job its cool science and stuff,but as an artist its my worst nightmare
@@mtgang2016 Yes, thank God. Do you know how much time it takes to model and texture and weight paint and animate something? Automating parts of that would be so damn helpful
@@nathanielsavory5434 idiot your brother got killed, saying you will not be next is laughably immature. As long there is data on the tInternet then we are all doom.
Art is a process not a product. So it is the process of creation and production that is significant to the artist not the end product, which is one reason they are very rarely satisfied with what they produce. AI generated art is irrelevant to those who use art as a language of expression and a way of finding meaning.
If I'm making, say, a fantasy RPG book, I'd rather get cheap art from a computer and lower my production costs than pay an artist more money just to get the same thing. Your process is nice and all, but just because you put a lot of work into it doesn't require me to value it more.
@@MnemonicHack thats basically it. art has no intrinsic value other than the one the observer gives it. if effort gave art value due to effort alone I could pick up 2 rocks from the ground hit them with a stick several days until my and bleeds say its art and it should have a high value due to the effort i put in it. it makes no sense
In my opinion artists who works for companies are the same like ai ( i call them tools ) , i mean they have a boss who give them task/prompts and explain them how to do the thing . Btw im an artist , and i don't do that to get money or something else , i do that for myself , art is my little escape place from the real world.
