AI Tech in a Mini Pedal? - New TONEX One Modeller! 

Great description

😂 I usually settle for the first good tone i reach, otherwise I'd never be finished and would never play the guitar again. 😂 Honestly, I'm not buying anything else until they offer replacement jacks with this embedded.

Hahaha, yeah! I have a Boss IR-200. I like it, but I only find some amp models usable: Normal, Twin and Tweed. The Brit, which should be a Marshall type of amp, has a weird honking mid frequency which I have not been able to cut out with the onboard EQ. To me, it just sounds awful with that frequency, regardless of what IR I'm using, onboard IR's or good third party ones. The three usable amp models are okay, and I can get quite a different character with the same amp model just by using different IR's or different combinations of IR's. But that takes a lot of tweaking. I'm not tweaking a lot, I have set three patches that I've been using, but my ear developed, and I changed them a bit, and then I created a few more, so now I have perhaps seven patches that I can use. ANYWAY... The Tonex One COULD make it easier for me. I could use some great captures that other people made (such as The Studio Rats och HP42). And out of those, I could use a couple of each: clean, edge of breakup, crunch and overdriven, and all captures that take my pedals well. And then I'm set. It sounds like a plan, which hopefully won't mean a lot of option paralysis.

Funny, but true. Just yesterday I spent (wasted?), over two hours noodling with my Spark Mini, in an attempt to create 4 new presets to replace the 4 I’ve been primarily using for the last few weeks. I say primarily, because I still end up tweaking things, when I go from guitar to guitar and even song to song. Yes, it’s entertaining, but it’s also a bit mind numbing….

Guitar cable? Next year IK Multimedia will announce a product that connects to your guitar by telepathy.

I anticipate this as well. I am blown away by what they can do with microprocessors and there isn't a particular reason why we cannot do this now

We already have things like the Katana GO where you don't even need a cable! There's also one of those small companies that makes a guitar with it already built right into the guitar so you just plug headphones straight into the guitar and control it with the app or knobs. Then you're stuck with their guitar though.

Will be in the guitar itself going forward

Yep. Pretty soon you'll just replace your jack and have this.

Nice to see Big Brandon interested in guitar gear 💪

Didn't expect Brandon on Anderton's videos lol. When are you going to post some guitar videos?

@@johnnyway8667 I have some acoustic guitar videos that are 11 years old on another channel 😂

God damn what a crossover

+1 Sometimes I tune in just to hear Pete play

He's a guitar player. He can play all of them

Most people find the tonex easier to use then the Kemper.

tonex sounds better imho. I've owned mulitple versions of kemper (kemper sounds great, tonex is just better at cloning an amps tone). The only downside of the Tonex is the lack of fx loop to monitor fx out without another multi-fx pedal. Btw might be worth you updating it. It has a tuner etc. you don't need it hooked up to browse profiles you want. find them, then save them then hook the pedal up and transfer a new list of amps etc you want. I understand it's a hassle. (so many profiles and some are trash that people upload).

They also added a compressor to the preset before testing the drive lol

And they set the amp with a tad bit of crunch as well.

I think the opposite is at play here. I'm an HX Stomp owner, with a coupla fancy pedals in the loop into a Orange Pedalbaby. That is the rig I take to shows because I can't be arsed to lug my Marshall around anymore and I like getting the train and having a beer after. Tonex has been universally shown to have the best captures in comparison tests. So for any gigging guitarist IK have just given the most common use case (one clean amp, one dirty amp) with eq, reverb and compression available on each with the QC/Kemper beating captures for £175. I think Lee is worried that a relatively low margin product is going to cannibalise amp/pedal sales by making what used to be £1k tech available at beginner/kid prices. I think their reaction here is deliberate.

@@davidcjupp out of all the RU-vid channels to say that on. Many channels just say things to push gear or sway you to a product(tone junkies) because it favors them. I’ve never felt they push anything on to a consumer. They do a pretty good job of being unbiased and just giving it to you like it is. They have definitely saved me a few times from buying bogus gear.

And even at the end of the video when they are talking about other comparable products, Pete is even letting you know in his own subtle way that the pod express was no good. They aren’t doing it to sway you to thousand dollar tube amps. It’s just there opinions on certain products

I am a massive fan of Lee and I trust his reviews. They are however a business and I honestly think that the price point of this product will put a big dent in QC and Kemper sales. I can’t remember which vid it was but I could have sworn Lee said that products above a grand they take 40-50% on and products under £200 it’s peanuts. That was why I was a touch skeptical of the Luke warm reaction here when compared to other trustworthy channels.

Rabea and digital John should be the ones reviewing this product. Pete and Lee are super biased in favor of traditional gear. They never even mention the multitude of ways this product can be used to facilitate achieving good tone in numerous applications. This product will not only greatly influence the way we use gear, but will also push other companies to do the same..

but he cant play

Thanks. This seems a bit scattered.

Yes, AND he has cuddly animals at the end......

The irony is they’ve been doing these type of pedals for years .people are just barely discovering them.boss had the fender amp pedals.i belive joyo or another small brand had mini amp pedals that cover orange to fender and they have been doing those for about 10 years now

Get one of these and a boss me90. Or another multi effects pedal system. I'm thinking the big tonex a power amp and the valetone gp200 or something else that can run both direct inject and a guitar cab at the same time.

But then you'll need this for the extra od so just get this since tonex doesn't have the extra drive on some models.

@@luisfarias8566 a Valeton GP-200LT for $280 would give you "any" OD you want plus a whole lot more

this has trs stereo out and usb bus power so you could use it in that capacity portably...and run your tracks using it as a interface..

@@leifpearson5205 Yes, I know and it's great, but what I mean by doing a portable headphone amp in the same form factor as the Katana GO or NUX is that it could be a self contained portable unit like those but with better amp modeling and they could even combine it with some FX algorithms from their Amplitube line to make it a complete self contained portable battery powered unit that plugs directly to the guitar, I have to travel a lot because of my work (and many people too) and I carry a Traveler guitar and the NUX MP3, that's all I need for a portable solution

A bit bigger but have you thought of the mooer p2? It plays a limited amount of mrns profiles. It's stereo with effects and has a wireless pedal option to control it within limits. Looper. Trrs for vocal podcast mic in.

@@leifpearson5205 Yes, I tried it but didn't liked the amp models, so far the NUX is pretty good as I can load IRs, something that the Katana GO lacks and like the ToneX captures a lot so a similar device from IK multimedia that combines ToneX captures and Amplitube FXs would be great

A review embargo probably lifted today.

That's the name of the game in this day and age.

Tis the way of things now. Anyone who follows any car channels will have experienced the same with the Porsce Macan EV. At least more people can afford this.

imagine what part of marketing is in price !? fuf

​​@@Moldovichprobably less than you expect. They sent out a dozen to famous people on RU-vid to review but anyone who has used tonex or profiled an amp with it is interested in having a way to use tonex without a computer, iPad or the 400$ tonex pedal. The simplifier mk2 is sort of the best analog competition, it costs twice the price cause it has more knobs but it can't accurately copy any amp you own put it in a pedal and add your choice of cab, mics. compression, gate, and reverb.

Fantastic! BTW I heard UA's next pedal is the Hair '87 based on the Peavy Rage.

Which makes Tonex a no brainer. Tonex can emulate pretty much anything. UAFX is not even close.

Man then you'll love the Galtone Studio tones

Why what's wrong with he player?

@@vedder10 it’s too limited with fx and profiles aren’t as good as ToneX machine learning tech for the feel of amp captured imo

@@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Thank you I appreciate the response.

@@vedder10 Tonex profiles are more accurate than the Kemper ones

@@vedder10 I had Kemper toaster, and honestly I much prefer Tonex. It just has more authentic raw amp tones.

You could plug it into either, although I guess the whole point of this sort of product is for guitar players that don't want to take an amp to the gig....

@@andertons wish you could have shown how it would work on a tube, solid, or even a digital amp like the Tone Master editions. Because a lot of us that own the Tone Master ei Deluxe; Princeton etc, are afraid to plug in things like the Supro delta 8 or other amp like "pedals". We don't know if it will fry the amp.

Without a cab sim into an effects return works well with my iridium. That’s where I’d start, unless you’re using it to model an actual pedal like a fuzz face.

I use modellers with an Orange Pedal Baby. Good alternatives are the Seymour Duncan Powerstage 170 and Harley Benton do a cheapo one. Around 3kg each. It means that gigs only require about 6kg plus guitar and you get about 90% of the tone. For me it's a small sacrifice to not have to drive and to be able to have a beer after the set. I love my Plexi and take it when there's transport available but these small fly rigs are amazing.

it’s called embargo

Yes that's how it works, they recieve the device a few days/weeks earlier, do the video but they can't release it until a specific date & time. It's the same for new cars reviews and plenty of other stuff.

@@Sylvain44 I see it with videos of cars too indeed. Sometimes 3 videos in a row when scrolling.

@@Sylvain44 Yeah, it ensures that all the press outlets get sufficient time to review the product and removes the incentive to rush through a review just in order to be first to publish something. Without the embargo it'd kind of be a race to the bottom for everyone involved.

Yep. It's the same for car channels. That's worse in some ways as the reviewers are usually driving the same roads in the same cars. I've watched more than one where the reviewer admits to having another reviewer in the car with them.

Yep.

why would that be?

@@DavidJosephBoth cos it's an impulse buy gimmick like those stupid 3D headphones

​@@frankcarter6427it's not a gimmick lol, you old guys just don't get it as usual. Lol. Shit take.

@@frankcarter6427 it sounds indistinguishable from a recorded amp. I play guitar, own both. Nothing profiles better than Tonex (minus neural amp modleer, if you have high-end equipment.). I've owned them all. How is it a gimmick? Kemper doesn't sound as real, helix definitely doesn't, neural quad doesn't. The latency is near non-existent. And it's tiny, fits in your pocket and has everything but fx loop.

I feel sorry for anyone who bought one.

The POD Express has far better on board control without needing the software though. It's a different thing

@@tarkenton3895 I guess you have one on order then?

FX too. Overpriced but it does more.

The Boss is way more straightforward to use, but the Tonex has better tones IMO once you figure out how to use the convoluted ass software

BOSS is fully standalone and is a BOSS, this has light-up plastic mini pots and basically needs a computer.

The tonex can use the amp models I modeled of the amps(or amp/pedal combo) I have owned.... Or that anyone else has uploaded. I can also add reverb, compression, gate, and change the cab and mics. The balanced out is stereo on this, which can be used with headphones. Also anything you'd put in the loop can be run after it. Ime tonex is the most accurate sounding modeler and when run through a cab indistinguishable from my real amps. Really my only problem with it is having to have my iPad or PC connected to get those tones. This pedal pedal solves that.

@@trevorD1156 A stereo TRS isnt balanced you can only achieve that with a mono TRS.

Im 33 and i agree if that makes you feel better 😂

I have 2x little valve amps, a positive grid amp, a NUX headphone amp, a multi fx pedal etc etc! Option paralysis is making me plug into a simple pedal board with 5 pedals & straight into my clean valve amp. Happy days.

Nothing can replace just plugging into a good amp with a good guitar or bass and letting it rip raw. But, Ive used Amplitube since it came out, so the whole Tonex, not without its bugs and issues, isnt hard to pick one that sounds good tweak it, use it.. So easy. I have a Boss Core that sucks to set up, I find this much more “analog” to get my old xgen brain around. Those of us who started late 90’s early 00’s with working in a DAW, wont have any issue. That said. Unless Im playing duo with my DJ wifey, (she uses Maschine) unless Im with her, I just use an amp, and the Core for minimal FX. It has saved me a tone in pedals and tap dancing. If Im tracking in the DAW I use Amplitube or Tonex. Easier to just grab a good one tweak and go.

Seems simple to me. Take the clean channel from my mk2b and modern gain channel from the rectoverb50 I uploaded to tonex and put them in this pedal. Then with a 9v and an aux cable I can plug my guitar into anything with aux input and get my amp sounds.

It's not about age - don't worry - just pickup the guitar plugin and play - these are all options nothing more...

A built-in tuna you say?

The tuner sounds terrible though

You can power it off the USB.

@@sconethief Ok well thats awesome! Im totally doing this!

I don't doubt that is in the near future.

Mate! Absolute game changer! I've pretty much given up playing guitar as the electricity in my house is wired straight to Satan's ballsack - and all the noisegates in the world didn't help. That Bertom thing completely got rid of it. Thank you!

The pricier one have more options on hand like presence control etc. But still only one amp at a time.

The larger one is easier to tweak and use both at home and on a stage.

@@iagobroxado - Thanks for that :)

Type C plug goes straight into your computer or use a cable into your interface.

It happens every time there's a big new product launch. A few weeks ago it was the Katana Go. At some point the new fender multi fx thing is supposed to launch a smaller version, everyone will have that too. They get it in advance and then the manufacturer will tell all the channels the day they can launch the video, that's why everyone dropped theirs today

@@CG-rf6nu so true 👍

Yup it can also clone some pedals and be used that way.

If you are going straight to front of house then yes this replaces everything. If you want stage volume with a cab you need a poweramp like the Orange Pedalbaby or Seymour Duncan Powerstage 170. The point being that you can 'capture' the EXACT sound of your miced heads at home and deliver that live. It's an amazing piece of technology that Kemper deserve so much credit for.

They have a lot of nice clean Fender chains. Users have made tons of various clean chains.

@@religionoffreedom do I gave to buy them?

@@ButWhatDoIKnow it comes with like 200 patches at your disposal and you can tweak any of them on the fly.

If your amp has an FX-loop you can plug it into the return and use Tonex as preamp. Just remember to load presets without cabinets.

Thanks for the reply

Alas a Fender Deluxe doesn’t have an FX loop😟

You could also use it as a multiple overdrive/fuzz pedal and load it full of profiled pedals. Then place it on your pedalboard.

That’s a very interesting concept. Didn’t think of it that way. I guess a trip to Andertons is coming 😀

I always use an AmpliTube bass head for acoustic, like the big Fender one.

It'll probably still work, but nobody will want it because they'll think it sucks compared to the latest generation of digital tech. Like you, I appreciate the timelessness of a classic analog circuit.

I don't see those twistable LED's masquerading as "knobs" surviving more than a year.

Well I'd certainly want a couple of real hunky guys with me at all times just in case......

Into the FX return is probably the best bet, but if you have a clean amp offers no distortion and it has no fx loop, then yes in front of the amp it goes

It replaces your amp for when you want to record or plug direct at a gig and just hear yourself through the monitors

I wouldn't take those light-up plastic mini pots out of the studio. Not even on a board.

That's already existed for quite a few years bud. Bands have been using amp plugins to play live for ages now

@@tarkenton3895 That always seemed like a logical endpoint to me - since they'll likely be using one for backing tracks/click etc.

@dwftube idk man, it always seems sick to me in terms of big silent stages with in-ear monitors, a great FOH blasting and everything automated, but I've also seen what happens when small bands try to do it too early, when small to mid venues make it sound crap, and when it fails even for a big band playing a big venue. There's no emulating an amp just absolutely roaring behind you, but also there's no simulating the benefits of laptop rigs on an amp rig without some drawbacks and extra cost

@@tarkenton3895 Yeah, be great if every band could do what Joe Bonamassa does, but most places won't allow it and, as you say, there are extra costs involved.

@dwftube oh I just meant in terms of having racks with amps and pedals that are all midi switched like the equivalent of an AxeFx or laptop rig really, moreso in how much extra room for failure of any given component there is in a system like that. Not quite bonamassa/mayer/phish levels where they trawl out loads of crazy gear because they can

Do a blind test

PA and FRFR sounds like a miced cabinet through a PA (like a recorded amp) but doesnt have the "amp in the room" sound, if you want to have that feeling when playing connect it to a real guitar power amp and guitar cab, going through FRFR and PA isnt the same.

@@Stefan- ​ @Stefan- Thank you for your reply. I know that. Maybe I phrased it unclear. I will try again. So my current signal chain is a real amp though a 2x12 miced up cabinet. The miced signal goes through 2x 10 inch tops + 1x 12 inch SUB (PA Speaker) and also my headphones. The volume of the 2x 12 cabinet is so quiet, that I don't hear it with headphones on. I do hear bleed from the PA speakers through my headphones as they are loud and I can also feel them as they move a lot of air. So what I hear is a "recorded amp". That setup sounds immense. Huge, open, Low end is there, high end is there and mids are chunky. It has the sparkle and the foundation. But because this setup has a lot of moving parts, I tried to archive the same by replacing the amp in the signal chain with various modellers... It just doesn't sound as good. It sounds way smaller, boxy and far away. I equed the mids to remove the boxyness (between 1k and 2k) but no matter what modeller or tweaking I tried, it doesn't sound as good. I even used a officially licenced model of a mesa boogie (the exact same real amp I use) and while I can hear that it sounds similar, you can hear what is replicates, it is not even close if you play it. All modelers I tried just have less of everything (High end, low end, sparkle, midrange sounds weaker, less punch, less harmonics or a combination of those...). And that is what I don't understand. Because clearly a digital recording is capable of capturing enough details to playback my analog singal chain and make it sound immense. But why does the modeling sound so off, through the same signal chain that is clearly capable of delivering everything I want in terms of tone? My theory as of now is 1: Whenever I capture a analog singal via digital recording it is great. 2: When I record using modelling it is good to great depending on various variables. 3: When I play through my miced up analog singal chain it is awesome. 4: When I play a modeller through my signal chain it feels stiff, feels off, sounds weird and has less of everything. Because of point 4, I assume that it is a "feel" thing maybe latency (which is definetly there with the modelers) but then again why does it sound small, boxy and distant (which are not "fell" things). That is what I don't understand... I wish I would find out what the issue is. Thank you to everybody responding to my long letter! Rock'n'Roll! :)

@@DaipayanKarmakar I did and the difference is so immense that you don't even need to do it. You can feel it in a split second. The modeling through my exact same signal chain (Guitar, PA and everything) has less of everything. Less top end, low end, sparkle, midrange sounds weaker, less punch, less harmonics or a combination of those...

Some of the prices I've seen, don't mention that tax/VAT needs to be added onto them. That's why they look lower.

Who is paying 46% VAT?

two amp captures, with reverb, compression and noise gate.

Like a normal amp. Makes sense to me. If you want more, that's what the bigger one is for.

You can load 20. But you do have to press the Alt button to select: the two amps refers to just using the main foot switch.

Yeah. The idea is that you use it with other pedals. It's why it's so small. You can speak it onto your pedalboard or keep it in your guitar case as backup

I preferred the boss

@@EverettVernon72 Did you actually try this pedal? Don't see how since it literally is just being released.

Use both. 1) Run the Tonex into the IR2’s input. 2) make sure the IR2 is in bypass mode because the fx loop in the IR2 still works so, there’s your stereo outputs with whatever stereo fx you’re running through that. I suspect the two should compliment each other and I will try em together. When I’m using an amp on a gig, my IR2 is bypassed and the fx loop works like a charm. Hey Captain n’ Pete, could y’all try this and do a short vid on it please? 🤜💥🤛

It does.

Yes

I've tried UA, Strymon, and most recently the Boss IR-2. The IR-2 (as long as you load your own IRs on it) cleared EVERYTHING by a mile...It is incredible...especially the tweed and twin settings on it.

I agree - so many options out there. There isn't really a bad one - just the one that suits you best

​​@alecpalmer9714 they are the exact amps I use. Currently using a Boss GX100 as Helix was just too big now. hmm interesting you tried them and came to this conclusion. thanks for this info 👍

​@andertons it's all your fault.. all look and sound so good in your demos 😂.

@@alecpalmer9714 just got the ir-2 any specific recommendations for upgraded IR-s for it?

You know you can get Rats and Muffs for like $70 right?

@@cruzcastro4681not as versatile tho. This one can be a fuzz, a distortion/overdrive, & an amp.

For pedal cloning is more about cloning say a 1000k plus klon or something

Why would you do that? Sounds silly to me.

@@cruzcastro4681 I guess you didn't realize but I was being ironic.