Air Canada Converting 767s to Freighters?

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On November 9th, Air Canada held their third quarter conference call, reporting their financial results for the period, along with one surprise announcement - CEO Calin Rovinescu said that Air Canada is looking to expand into the dedicated freighter market with some of their owned 767s!
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@marksman875437 3 года назад

As a laid off AC employee, anything that helps to get me back to work I’m all in favor of!

@damnbobthebuilders 3 года назад

air canada cargo 767s in the new livery would look amazing!

@thefidgetspinner2007 3 года назад

Oh you can kind of already see them. Just picture the plane without passenger windows

@__matvey 3 года назад

I'm beyond excited!!! I can't even express my excitement in this comments section. I was so crushed when ACA retired all of their 767s when COVID hit, so I really hope that they bring a few back, even if it's just for cargo operations. Thanks for informing us!

@slukas1375 3 года назад

Interesting proposition. Personally, I would love to see these tried and true work-horses still flying; have long been a fan of the 767. However, as noted, always contentious when negotiating (lower) wages with trained, competent pilots. AC pilots really are a classy bunch; always professional and friendly. I've always considered them to be a positive element of the Air Canada brand. Alex, please continue following this story. Thx! Rgds from West Kelowna, BC.

@FinnTheCanadian 3 года назад

Oh interesting Deffintly a cool way to expand while passenger demand is low right now this could be great for Air Canada

@gmitchellfamily 3 года назад

That 767F mockup paint job is awesome, hope they do if for no other reason!

@jasonmcconnell9419 3 года назад

I've flown on Air Canada 767's since they were introduced. The fact they weren't already in freighter config is news to me. Still, they were less painful than their DC-9's.

@headymcthunderdome2136 3 года назад

Kinda surprised when I heard rouge was retiring all of their 767s, cuz that virtually wiped out all their long haul routes

@johniii8147 3 года назад

Not terribly surprising Rogue wasn’t that profitable even in the best of times.

@headymcthunderdome2136 3 года назад

@@johniii8147 i see. still sad to see them go, i flew on their aircraft once and i had a wonderful time

@Dexter037S4 3 года назад

@@johniii8147 rouge will merge with AT iirc

@afcgeo882 3 года назад

@@Dexter037S4 More like AT replaces Rouge.

@BPanio 3 года назад

Should be worth mentioning that they leased a few aircraft from World Cargo in the mid 2000's, and also had 2 77F orders with their original order but canceled those orders. We will see if this works though. This would've been a better announcement last year since the aircraft probably would've been converted when the first wave of covid hit. These things take them and I feel like by time they actually get up and running, the deman for cargo created by the virus will be less or nonexistent if things drastically improve

@_w_w_ 3 года назад

Great idea! I am super drawn to the 767. I fly Delta mainly and have been on many 767s. 767 is only common in North America and Japan, so many people have little experience with them. They are truly a versatile, cozy but under-appreciated aircraft. It's good to bring them back as freighters.

@afcgeo882 3 года назад

They’re common freighters all over the world.

@naturallyherb 3 года назад

AC has confirmed today that some of the 767 will be given a full cargo conversion. This will be a very nice plane to spot!

@AlexPraglowskiAviation 3 года назад

That photoshop will be a reality soon, can't wait!

@threeparots1 3 года назад

The 767 we flew on back in May 2019, did get a conversion surprisingly. I think it is one that went to Cargojet....31 years at the time. Though it was an early cf6-80 so quite efficient when introduced. Mostly higher hour and low cycle..

@jfmezei 3 года назад

Cargo conversion also involves removing heavy windows and plugging hole with light aluminium. Not sure if floor strenghtening or cutting fuselage for cargo door is the bigger ticket item. Air Canada, unlike Fed Ex, UPS, lacks distribution on the ground. So it is harder for it to get business. However, during the pandemic, becaiuse of shrtage of cargo capacity due to lack of passenger flights, there are many opportunities. But once line retirns to normal in a year or so, once has to wonder if Air Canada can be competitive in the cargo business when lots of capacity torusn and prices drop.

@gmitchellfamily 3 года назад

Things will never be completely the same post-COVID. E-commerce got a serious boost but it was already on the way up. Air Canada wouldn't jump into this feet-first unless they'd done their due diligence and market analysis. On top of that, air freight was already growing steadily even pre-COVID, it's the only reason the 747 and 767 production lines kept going.

@randygalati 3 года назад

There are plenty of cargo airlines that don’t have a dedicated ground service and they were doing completely fine before the pandemic. Air Canada never operated in a time of online shopping in such a demand. I’m sure they will do great with a hand full of cargo 67’s if they play their contracts right.

@jfmezei 3 года назад

@@randygalati If I order something from a shop in Vancouver, they aren't going to go to YVR and deal with AC Cargo to ship it, and I am not goiung to DOrval Airport to picjk it up. Gets works if you order from USA where you have to clear customs yourself or hire a broker to do it for you. Air Canada may help Amazon bulk ship to its distribution centres. But otherwise lack of distribution beyond airport doesn't make AC suddently a winner in e-commerce. If AC does well, it isn't because of e-ommece but because of drop in overall air cargo capacity. (demand > supply).

@randygalati 3 года назад

@@jfmezei e-commerce is always growing either way I don’t see them losing as long it’s not a huge growth all at once.

@afcgeo882 3 года назад

@@jfmezei Air Canada already has the largest cargo distribution system in Canada. They fly cargo. Always have. They have dedicated terminals for it in all major airports. They simply didn’t have freighter aircraft. They fly cargo in passenger aircraft.

@randygalati 3 года назад

Would love to see these at Pearson, I work in midfield right beside Air Canada Cargo so if this were happen I would see them all the time. Lengthening a life of an aircraft is always exciting plus people that are concerned about the age, Amazing Prime is flying a ton of 67’s that are over 30 years of age.

@nilsandlexi 3 года назад

It's probably a good time to talk to pilots about this. They'll be looking over their shoulders at what's on the way and will want to secure a future for themselves and their families. Stability can be a worthwhile goal for both sides.

@rtcharge 3 года назад

I used to work for them in the 747 combi & DC 8 days doing cargo. Glory days

@rontiemens2553 Год назад

I don’t think I’ve seen an Air Canada livery I didn’t like. You guys up there have it goin’ on. 👍

@chrismckellar9350 3 года назад

With the current conditions in aviation, it make sense for Air Canada to revisit their in-house freighter aircraft.

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@balsumfractus 3 года назад

Cutting cargo doors and using ULD's (containers) is vastly more efficient than hand bombing freight through small passenger doors on de-passengered aircraft. If AC didn't go this route, and sold the airframes, they would be snapped up by the large cargo operators, (the (767 freighter is still in production and still in high demand!) The air cargo demand is growing......if AC doesn't grab some of it, someone else will

@afcgeo882 3 года назад

The idea is that if the cargo sales don’t take off, the converted freighters can be sold off for good money.

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@balsumfractus 3 года назад

@@afcgeo882 that would be Plan B probably, but so far cargo flights are increasing........

@afcgeo882 3 года назад

@@balsumfractus True, but so is cargo competition. Plus, much of the cargo demand currently exists is due to pandemic PPE shipments around the world. Actual international trade is way down, due to the pandemic and issues with the US and China.

@jacquesmertens3369 3 года назад

In order to benefit from the pharma industry's needs, please keep in mind that it's not just a matter of cargo capacity. Having the right sort of temperature controlled containers in sufficient quantity is the real bottleneck. At least 1 type of vaccine needs to be transported at -70° Celcius. Yes, containers do exist that can keep this temperature for up to 10 days, but they require large amounts of dry ice, of which there is also a shortage. So, don't focus on the vaccines, because they're not going to fly in large quantities in the first half of next year. The nasal spray, which can be transported by sea, has far better chances of becoming the n° 1 solution. I'm sure Air Canada does not convert planes because of the pharma industry, but indeed because of growing e-commerce. It's a very safe bet. Also, equipping the planes with large cargo doors opens up an entirely new market. It would allow my mother-in-law to fly.

@DanielVazquez-do5dh 3 года назад

I flew the Air Canada Rouge 767 from PVR to YUL in February 2018 for 160 USD one way. Nice service!

@marriedGary 3 года назад

If it’s profitable then go for it. A strong Air Canada is good for Canadian aviation

@massimoforesti6591 3 года назад

There's going to be a lot of pilots out of work for the next few years, as well as new ones enter industry. So it would be a good idea n my books because those pilots will want to get a paycheck anyway they can

@niklasdanchenko3893 3 года назад

I think I saw the exact cargojet 767 that was converted. I saw the registration and looked through my photos and I realized I saw it at Montreal Mirabel!

@rangerrick8220 2 года назад

Always enjoyed flying the 767...was a shame when ACA retired them all at once... hope they at least come back as cargo...

@johnoke1206 3 года назад

They did order the 777F when they placed their initial 787 order, but they where canceled so they could order more 787’s

@Lee247Jamaica 3 года назад

@Berubium 3 года назад

Makes good sense to keep those old airframes flying. I’ll miss the 767 as I always thought the 2-3-2 economy layout was pretty roomy (although silly from a business standpoint; lots of empty space in that plane). I hope they make decent money with freight operations if anything to subsidize the continuation of passenger flights to less profitable small markets.

@NovaScotiaKevin 3 года назад

AC did wet lease World Airways MD-11s with the AC Cargo logo on them for a short time in 2007-2008.

@BigPlaneFixer 3 года назад

Pemco has the STC for the 737-200/300/400 cargo door mod. I bet they have other STC's for cargo doors too.

@ScottRothsroth0616 3 года назад

I wish more airlines do this. I wish AC/ACA (Air Canada) the best of luck. (PS.: Especially one North America based airline which retired all of its B75s (Boeing 757s) & B76s (Boeing 767s) earlier this year due to COVID.)

@platec4798 3 года назад

Sadly, the Gimli Glider won't be joining us in the Cargo plane lineup. They scrapped it back in 2014 instead of keeping it on hand for a project like this. Part of Canada's history was lost in my opinion. Plate [C]

@_Corndawgg 2 года назад

The first one did her test flight a few days ago!!! C-FPCA

@Sacto1654 2 года назад

You wonder if some of these 767 freighter conversions will be sold to the likes of Atlas Air for use in their Amazon Air cargo services.

@karlossargeant3872 3 года назад

Boeing 767F's for Air Canada that sounds Kool!!!!!

@karan_IV 3 года назад

If Air Canada can get some good cargo contracts and start a dedicated cargo only freighter service, it can give a tough competition to Cargojet.

@cysauce 3 года назад

That 767 in the new livery almost made me...ahem very interesting video!

@indranilchakrabarty4196 3 года назад

Good !! Air Canada should get new 777 F and A330F freighters. At least a dozen. But FEDEX and UPS probably take all the Canada Freight dollars !!

@scottross80 3 года назад

Another great video Alex keep them coming thanks!!

@darrenmullin84 3 года назад

I think its great news as Air Canada needs the revenue and the general population needs the jobs. Great way to increase shareholder value by utilizing planes sitting on the ground and putting them into revenue service.

@Vicstarz26 3 года назад

This would be a great move for AC Mainline! Anything at this point to help the airline overcome this major obstacle is a good thing, which hopefully I can get my job back lol.

@viktorasandritsos573 2 года назад

I miss the 767s in the old blue livery :(

@davidecolonna1634 3 года назад

OOOO this is exciting news indeed, maybe we can get a new livery for the cargo planes too.

@dalezapple2493 3 года назад

Any idea how much it costs to convert these 767 to freight carriers?

@mattiagnagno757 3 года назад

If this happens it will be amazing, I would love to see Air Canada’s 767s have a new sprinkle of life in the cargo sector, the Rogue ones would be even cooler

@obmed11 3 года назад

If AC doesnt do it, Amazon will

@FirstLastOne 3 года назад

Amazon HAS.

@conmangamer 3 года назад

I love the 767 loveto see it as a cargo jet

@Aboard_and_Abroad 3 года назад

this would be sad. some of those 767 have very nice business class pods, and its been a great redeye on one of those. would hate to swap that out for a220...

@viscount757 3 года назад

All AC 767s were permanently retired from passenger service several months ago. Their business class product also was no longer competitive with the new product on the B787 which has also been added to the B777 and A330 fleets.

@Aboard_and_Abroad 3 года назад

@@viscount757 sad news. I do feel I have flown AC 767's with the same pods as a 777. Might not get a pod on the yvr-yyz, but do that stop over in yyc and get on the 767 and you get 3hrs of zzz..

@toddrolfson1789 3 года назад

I think it’s a great idea if Air Canada can make it work.

@HuckThis1971 3 года назад

If you can't fly people fly goods. Wheels up brings in revenue. Moth balling them in the desert isn't any better. May as well get the saws all out cut a big hole on the side and stick on a door with red duct tape. This way the lift operator sees the periphery of the hole and doesn't slam the cargo into the aircraft.

@iVince905 3 года назад

No way AC pilots take less for flying cargo. They do the same job and if anything, they're working cargo dog schedules. It should be an incentive to pay more for cargo flying than pax flying.

@afcgeo882 3 года назад

The benefits packages and hours in cargo are different. Lots of pilots prefer flying freighters.

@campingboy9213 2 года назад

Not in the aviation world. Why would a pilot be paid less flying freight over passengers.

@squishykrishy_ 3 года назад

yes do this and try out combi configuration once it cuts cost of flight for passengers!

@an_asian_guy 3 года назад

Cool now I wish I started doing RU-vid videos years ago to do films about planes and trains

@thefidgetspinner2007 3 года назад

Air Canada should do that, the 767 is old and has some troubles...

@skylineXpert 3 года назад

will they liquidize rouge or will they order the a321xlr

@afcgeo882 3 года назад

Rouge folds into AT operations.

@zxid_15 3 года назад

Ur photoshopping skills are awesome

@Aboard_and_Abroad 3 года назад

Air CAnada Jetz spotted at 2:58!!

@DaveyCrockett001 2 года назад

The FAA is starting to weasel back on their earlier statements that pilots could get the clot shot and still fly. They're rolling that back, same is set to take place in Canada. Good luck finding pilots, that is in the event that any significant number were stupid enough to take it..

@you_want_some_gamer8553 3 года назад

I may or not know some inside information... it sounds like this might happen

@samuelkrajc 3 года назад

I really hope C-FMWU gets converted

@eun5oo280 3 года назад

I thought Air Canada retired their 767’s..?

@Lee247Jamaica 3 года назад

Same cuz they dont have none in rouge and the main fleet

@FirstLastOne 3 года назад

Did you watch the video completely before you made your comment? You might want to get your ADHD checked out, it's pretty serious.

@BennyGeserit 3 года назад

Anything that kills Rouge is a go with me.

@yulaviation3868 3 года назад

Nice!

@MSRTA_Productions 3 года назад

👀👀👀

@benthecaptain7419 3 года назад

100% in favor

@aviationlocation2932 2 года назад

Here’s a video of one of the conversions: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PN-IFdsYrDQ.html

@radarmike6713 3 года назад

It AIN'T happening. Pilots won't take a cut to save their jobs...they'll stick to "give me, give me, give me" mindset like EVERY union and unionized employee.