Air Cooling vs Watercooling... Which is right for you? 

So thats where all this "global warming" is coming from! Pls, for the love of the flying Mountie, lower your power limits ;-)

​@c😅hilly243 Canada is one of those places that needs global warming

Sign up for Folding at Home and heat your house while your PC fights cancer! Or you can volunteer your pc's processing power for any number of other research projects with that app, but I think its mainly for calculating protein folds. My room would get toasty after a night of processing with my 2070 Super & 3700x.

hahaa bro keeps warm and cozy on his PC, rocking the stock cooler 😆

Electricity is way more expensice then heating by other means

C makes for lower numbers than f its not actually cooler but the number is lower , pc gamers are obsessed with numbers , the lower the better on temps the higher the better in clock and fps , its dumb but... well people are dumb so it makes sense Edit In a moment of self awareness I just realized i am also one of those dumb people lol I think its just a subconscious desire , or to more easily compair performance because everyone measures temps in c

@@scubasteve53 lmao

Yeah, I always stick with Celsius for monitoring temps. I think subconsciously we want that number to be lower, and Celsius gets us a lower "number" than Fahrenheit, despite the value or variable being the same.

@UCld-0hKL3rcQeb3yIIA6LQA 1:54 - and give full measure when you measure.. unless its core temps, then measure in Celsius, as it look smaller

Yeah that gotta do everything different from the rest of the world 😂

Same Idea here. What can fail, usually will at some point.

@@Bossfightmedia Well Murphy's Law still lives, but the point of fans failing and not just replacing them seems weirdly specific for me. I wouldn't live more than two days using my pc with broken CPU fans, and not do anything about it

You can also build in redundancy with air cooling, if my cpu fan dies, I still have an 80mm pushing air at it via an air duct.

Everyone knows this. Why do air-cooler users have to lecture others what to use? Just use what you want. I use water cooling but won't rant how bad the performance of air-coolers are.

@@Chopper153 you were literally in a comparison video between air vs water cooling. Ofc everyone will point out the pro and cons between both cooling. What kind of discussion you wish to see here??

God loves and cares about you and will always be there for you no matter what✝️❤️

i have 13700kf processor was using stock cooler got with the processor, temp reached 100 max all time and made my cpu dead got replaced under warranty. Now i want to know which cooler will be best fit for my processor kindly help

Even 80 Celsius is too hot. I would hope it would be under 90 because that's when ur cpu starts to get damaged. I wouldn't want my cpu hitting 70 except under max load.

​@pradhumpatel5400 I recommend Be Quiet Dark Rock coolers. My two older PCs with 2nd and 3rd gen CPUs have Dark Rock Slims while my newest PC with an 11th gen CPU has a Dark Rock 4. Depends what fits in your case, obviously, but these are quiet and effective coolers for mid-range PCs.

@@therealScopolamine Your CPU never gets damage because of heat if it's not over 120 C and it will shot down before that. So this is a totally false information. 90C even 100C is normal for Intels and they can go on forever with that heat. The CPU already slows down to no pass that limit. So if you use the CPU at around 90-95, this means, it won't able to use full potantial and I repeat this does not damage anything. 80 C is ultra fine and you will just hear a loud fan. I don't know where you get those infos but I can assure you, you are wrong.

Say what you will, was quite nice early CPU I had that didn't require any cooling methods, no fans, not even a heatsink. Although didn't take long to enter the dark ages where they'd put tiny whine machines on to cool CPUs.

@@Mike__B . It was so massive compared to the transistor count that the chip was the heat sink and could be passively cooled.. It’s like people waxing nostalgically over the model T

Yeah, depends. My Athlon XP 1700 with GeForce 2 had power consumption 90W idle and 130W at load. My Core2Duo with passive cooled NVidia that got very hot had 60W idle and 140W at load. My i5-4590 with GeForce 1060 ... i don't know - CPU cooler is cold even when CPU is at load, GPU is rated 120W so maybe I can reach 200W or so, but I think it's more power efficient that idle PentiumIII as CPU and PSU fans are barely spinning and only somewhat hot part is the chipset. Now I have Ryzen 7 2700x at work which has up to 145W and orderered 5900x which is the same. New high end intels are going to have 240W. I think I've seen Pentium IV that had ... i cant remember maybe something like 160W idle and 200W at load.

@@pavelperina7629 I mean, yeah older CPUs used less power and/or required less cooling. But each new CPU gives much more performance, hence they're still more efficient. Of course, there are some exceptions like the 10900k vs the 11900k which "would be better as sand on a beach." But generally the statement holds true.

AMD is more efficient than the new 12th generation Intels... Those are back to brute force power draws.

@@skeetlejuice522 How's that gunna help him? He said his AIO had a leak. That smart reservoir that Linus reviewed is only for custom loops. AIO's are one single unit hence the name AIO (All in one). You can't connect a reservoir to them.

@@skeetlejuice522 useless for an aio liquid cooler

@@skeetlejuice522 on an AIO yeah?

@@PabzRoz Go fucking watch the video before making a comment that makes you look ignorant AF. IT helps because it would have held pressure on that pinhole, keeping it from leaking.

@@How23497 Sure, Pull the line off the radiator on the aio and run it in the loop. Not hard... You people seem to think AIO are like sealed and cannot be opened... Give that hose a good yank and it will slide right off your AiO radiator.

use a pen lol

i've always used chop sticks to do that

@@narwhal9852 used so much force and slip and punctured my motherboard...

True

Same here with my NH D15. I've actually broken off my clamp with a screwdriver by accident and in the end it was the best thing that could've happened, now i can just take it out with ease and it's still tight in the slot.

What kind of stuff do you engineer and render ? You are not the typical gamer, watercooling is exactly right for people like you. I also need a ton of cooling when I do my photogrammetry scans. Still using air cooler, way simpler, cheaper and still the same performance once you figure out the ducting inside your PC.

@@sierraecho884 Funnily enough since I posted this, I put in a 5900x with a mild OC that runs up to 4950MHz on boost and is straight aircooled with a pair of 5600rpm server case fans. I may or may not have karma'ed my watercooled setup, replaced it with a ginormous 5 gallon reservoir and a 4" thick massively oversized heat exchanger via DIY plumber's nightmare, and later that month we had a power outage and all my sh!t froze solid. I had an oldschool 212 Black on the shelf and never got back around to swapping it out.😁 I still do all the rendering and prototyping, probably run harder than I ever did on the old Intel CPU watercooled. The 'project of the day' (more like of the month) which seems to change between CFD, Zbrush and SolidEdge-type stuff project dependant, will get a little toasty but after an hour or so, it's never gone over 70*C even on days like this year where the outside ambient temp is at 110*F and the office is Warm! Granted the fans sound like two jet engines at full song, but that's nothing I can't drown out with good speakers. 😉

Yeah...NO, the temps drop outside, but in my room i haven't seen the temps drop to below 28C for......it's been 21 days now...yeah, last time i saw temps below 27C was june 25th i think... Maybe it is a thing to other people but night or day it makes no diference in my situation :(

Nah, the sun is still up at midnight here.

I almost only exclusively use my pc at night due to this

@@Venoox Ye man I have a small apartment, all windows open+porch door+a bigass 1m tall floor fan unit. My ap isnt dropping sub 26.

@@shitpostcentraI I know, right?

Air cooler will never go bad and Noctua offer free mount upgrades to their cooler when AMD changes Socket/mount. You keep the air cooler and get a new mount. If a fan goes bad spend $10 - $20 and you're back in business. Very simple unlike AIO where there more failure points and not very easy to fix like the pump.

I have an aio for about 3 years and i havnt had a single problem. 100 percent hassle free. Just like an air cooler. And if it does go bad. Ill just buy a new one.

Till you're trying to get enough cooling capacity and fit in tall RGB RAM, and have a motherboard where the primary PCIe slot is right next to the CPU. Then a good air cooler is a major hassle. That's my main reason for liking water cooling, you move the bulk (in both volume and mass) away from the crowded motherboard and to the frame of the case.

@@ShinyMooTank *you're (short for "you are")

@@twitchmania7614 3 years is supposed to be some special long time?

Sounds like a bunch of excuses... recent air cooler have zero issue with ram clearance, and you don't need to take the hugest block available, plenty are super compact and more than enough for cooling. And that noctua fan can only be quieter on an air setup, compared to the same fan + the water pump. Aio are sexy pieces, but they don't really make sense except for threadripper and extreme build

And also they do better at cooling.

Hey kid. Get off Dad's Dell. Your talking nonsensense again.

www.youtubesolit.com/watch?v=yIGqWNjhsFo

@@GlennsHardWired Too bad he's 100% right....

that and noise

Some PC builders were not born the last time Jay did his last water VS air video.

Hahaha I love getting drunk and/or stoned..and playing JTC videos I've already watched half a dozen times, just to pick up what I didn't know last time I watched the same video.

i just purchased a redux i hope it will be good

@Todd K the stress on the motherboard is nothing unless your yanking your pc off your desk, then throwing it to a couch. Then throw it into your car, drive on a bumpy road for 8 hours. With all those jerks and vibrations, yes the stress on the mobo could be affected. Otherwise. You’re good to go

@Todd K add in 99% of RU-vid creators don’t build with gpu support brackets. Jesus have you seen the 40degree gpu sag on so many builds. It works but I’d never be comfortable with that specifically. That pcie lane might be reinforced but on a card so heavy and the amount on pins on a x16 slot. You’re more likely to toast a gpu from its sag versus a cpu tower cooler applying incorrect pressure to the cpu/mb which results in damage… anyway

I bought one but it rattles my case for some reason? Does that happen to you or anyone? I changed to a watercooler and it doesn't do it anymore.

Noice.. that d15 will outlive you .. im on the opposite side, this 2 years i've been using custom loop for my pc.. when im doing maintenance it took a whole day just to tear and cut a new pipe. But the nice thing is its very silent and my pc runs 24/7

Glad I wasnt only person that noticed that bit of thermal insanity lol

Exactly! If the CPU draws 50W (that is 50A@1V), the cooler, no mater air or water, will have to transfer 50W of heat into the room. J2C and the New Thermodynamics...

The point is that on water the CPU/GPU is cooler, making it probably turbo higher (or not throttling), drawing more power, leading to more heat in the room. If you have a fixed power draw for either air or water, then it doesn't matter.

@@rikwisselink-bijker agreed 100%. It's just the way that Jay said it sounded wrong, but he probably meant what you just explained.

Not to mention that an air cooler with a dead fan still (kinda) works. Not great, but compare it with an AIO with a dead pump...

water cooled can leak, not common, but air cooled never can leak.

What do you mean? What difference does a dehumidifier make?

Humidity changes the thermal conductivity and capacity of air

@@alexbarnwell7732 Could you please elaborate on that? The more humid the air the worse thermal conductivity or the other way around?

Simply having a portable/window ac unit in the bedroom keeps temps low enough to have no worries about ambient temps

@@mandavaler not cheap. i live in Cambodia and it s only fans day time

It had a non-factory tune on it and wouldn’t pass inspection in California now, so they shelved it.

@@pauld4238bruh.....

It most likely got put on hold, builds like that take a bit of time and a decent amount of effort and planning. He said he wanted to or might If I recall, so he didnt guarantee he'd do it. If he is doing it just give him a while, the market situation and youtube tech vid algorithm is all over the place and is difficult to plan around currently. Basically he just wants to make content we all enjoy and that they enjoy making! So for now just think of it as being on hold for a bit unless he updates on it!

@@deadly_mir yep i'm with ya on that point , just hope it does not end up like Red Dead Redemption build did.

@@pauld4238 - Damned C.A.R.B. and their standards!

Yes the longevity of a good air cooler is unmatched

@@DrSpaceman69 100%, and I do a fair bit of PC salvage from my local recycle drop off, and 9 times out of 10 unless it's just totally trashed, I can usually save a decent air cooler with just a good cleaning, fan lube/replacement fan if possible/needed, and fresh silver thermal paste.

It's not even the thermal capacity of water....since the liquid in an AIO isn't pure water.....

@@aaronthomas6155 at that point you're being pedantic, you know that when people say water they just mean the fluid inside the loop. And I've heard of people just using distilled water in custom loops so it's not like that's entirely out of the question either.

@@aaronthomas6155 You’re right. It’s not pure water, and the added solutes actually increase the boiling point… that’s how antifreeze works. Might want to read up on boiling point elevation and freezing point depression. It’s chemistry 101

@@radioactium certain solutes in water that are present in the coolant fluids, when maintained in the right balance, actually increase performance vs water.

@@aaronthomas6155 It isn't all water, but the other solution still has a lot higher thermal capacity than copper or aluminum. Metal has high thermal conductivity, but very little thermal capacity. This is why with water cooling you won't reach max temp for around 30 minutes, it takes a lot of energy to heat water, while with an air cooler, temp will peak quickly, within a minute... and then a little more as case heats up, depending on airflow of case.

same, have you seen that Scythe Ninja 5 cpu cooler

On the other hand, I love the look of my 1280mm rad sitting next to my case

Water is not better. Their working principle is completely the same. What the AIO does best is it transfers the heat through the flexible hose directly to the outside of the case. You can do the same thing with air coolers by installing custom ducts. Ever wonered why AC units always have ducting and out PC´s are just an open space mess ?

Why did you even bother saying it?

Me too, I just prefer mine to perform a bit better and have water moving through it lol.

*badumm tsss!*

Exactly my thoughts :D . TDP of 90W seems like a distant past . Couldn't even keep my 13700k from reaching 100c and throttling on a decent air at around 280W. Now it can boost forever even on a minor, +200MHz OC (though ultimately I went for undervolt at stock speeds anyway, which results in around 200W, so air should be able to keep it cool enough).

Go to bios and turn off the AIB's auto overwattage settings. It boost 20-30% CPU tdp but gain ~3% performance only. Not worth the heat nor the electricity.

Alphacools eisbaers quick disconnect tubes are what sold me i can make a full custom loop if i wanted with it but i just added a reservoir so i could so refilling and have an even larger heat sink capacity on a 360mm radiator

@@ffgrieverpl When you say "a decent air", which one specifically? I'm considering a 13700k and was going to pair it with an NH-D15. Been using one on my 5820k and it's handled that fine enough.

@@johnnypopstar I'm having difficulties cooling my 13900k with a NH-D15. Different cpu, but thought I'd share

I got a Dark Rock Pro 4 for my i9 9900kf. I haven't really done much testing. Seems to do okay though.

Noice

@@eek8605 to each their own. I could care less on the sound mine makes since I have Studio quality headphones and don't hear any of it.

Ngl if your pretty sensitive no matter how quiet you put your asetek pump you can hear it, thats why i switched back to air cooling as fans can go quieter than a pump

@@official_commanderhale965 fair enough i mean when you chilling without headphones thats where it triggers me lmao

@@eek8605 That's the exact same experience I have and I had a custom watercooling.

"Smiles happily at 1000w psu" ;)

300? light weight. I'm at 360w /cries

@@Fishingishard Was just a healthy guess

I’ve seen my GPU at 480w 😭

Power requirements of cpu sorta coming down over time Intel: laughs in 14nm +++++++++

I had the same conundrum when i was putting together my system, i ended up using LPX ram from corsair instead as i've had 3 water cooling loops fail on me, one EK radiator started leaking from the fin stack while i was gaming, killed the entire system. and two AiO coolers just had failed pumps after months of use. I will use aircoolers for the rest of my life just because it's safe and easy.

Noice

ericio22 An NH-D15 S, the high compatibility version may have helped you. Its offset and only has one fan. The extra fan only makes a mere two degrees difference to cooling. Most people don't realise that the second fan on a big air cooler does very little and can be dispensed with for hardly any increase in temp. The velocity of the air passing through the heat sink is the same, its just a slight increase in static pressure with a second fan. Tall heat sinks on RAM are a gimmick too, they do very little. I use GSkill Ripjaws with my D15S.

@@martinw245 NH-D15s with gskill trident z neo with no problems in clearance. My 5800x is nice and cold while also being super quiet.

Same. Bought a Hyper 212 RGB Black edition but it blocks the 1st slot when using tall ram. Moving the fan to the other side (pull config) but temps were similar to the stock cooler. Now with standard push config, full load is 60C, Idle 42C (19C ambient). Just bought a 280mm AIO so I can use all my shiny new Corsair Vengeance Pro ram.

I have scrolled further down the comments than I thought possible to see this correction. Quite scary...how many people missed this error! Thanks for restoring my lost faith and brain cells. :D

You are with your comment not completely correct either. The total energy of the system stays the same (first law of thermodynamics). 100W is not a measurement of energy but a measurement of power (work/time). There is no physical reason for the power of a system to remain constant. Water has a very high specific heat capacity. Therefore (compared to other common materials) a high amount of energy is necessary to raise the temperature of water. Thus this energy is transformed and can't be used to spread into the room immediately as a rate of work. But when the water temperature decreases this absorbed heat will be released and spread into the room. Thus heating the room up at a later time. This explains a common experience if you have a walk by a big lake. In the winter it feels warmer and in the summer it feels colder.

@@niko5514 I know. I just simplified the matter since in the end its going to have an similar result...

I was gonna say what the fuck is jay talking about

@Q - AGEIDO Well if one is to change the boundary and initial conditions and don't assume equal heat (loading conditions) for the different cooling solutions than one might find your argument appealing. Our arguments above where guided by comparison under the same loading conditions. Which usually is the way to compare two technical systems in the first place for a specific property. You are arguing with the classical "rebound effect". Nevertheless this effect is highly depending on the use case. For example: I would argue that a decent CPU like a 5800X will not produce more heat on a Noctua air-cooler than on a water-cooling solution. Your original argument is only valid in a user case which involves a bad air-cooler vs. a good water-cooler or a crazy CPU.

If you go AIO don't get anything under 280mm, otherwise an air cooler and a couple of air ducts is better.

​@@mikem9536 So true! And never thought of air ducts! lol. BTW, by now I got a few AIOs, but learned the lesson that if you go OVER 360, then you need to upgrade the case to match the size as well. Darn!

Noctua and a proper airflow situation outperforms alot of AIO configs in my experience :P Only had a few builds where AIO was noticeably ahead, but not by enough to make me sold on it. Customer wanted it tho, so they got it. But for my personal builds and my recommendations, AIOs are never in there, then again, I dont even recommend OC :P

Ha, I'm the exact opposite. I love the looks of a big air cooler, especially the blacked out NH D15; I think I like how it makes the case look fuller. Between decent AIO and air coolers though it's basically all preference save for clearance issues.

@@thechemtrailkid Not for modern power hungry CPUs. I had to buy an AIO for my 13600k because the huge NHD15 won't fit in my case and perform worse than an AIO.

@@Chopper153 my 7700x works fine on a d15s, without pbo…

@@Chopper153 It won't perform worse than an AIO if installed correctly.

@@Chopper153 Than you fcked something up. Cooling with my Noctua D-15 for years and never let me down. Always had problems with the aio softwares and i will never go back to water cooling again.

Have ya looked at the EK Liquid Devil variant to add it to your loop? I'm planning on doing my first custom loop and goin ham with it

Uses a noctua cooler. To this day, I have not noticed any major noise issues when gaming.

I have quiet noctua fans myself but I never really understood noise complaints. I game with closed back headphones (DT 770 Pros) which are very noise isolating, and I wouldn't be able to hear a burglar smashing my windows with them on when game audio is blaring, much less a cpu fan ramping up. I highly suspect people who complain about fan noise are gaming on a speaker setup or are using open back headphones.

@@ZombieRommel Thank you! When gamers bring up this argument I always say there is no way they even hear a swat team breaking in let alone a fan in a PC. Plus they have fans on the radiators that are doing the same thing. It’s a terrible argument.

CPU fans are why, back in the day, you didn't place a gaming PC at ear level to show off to your friends or be a fashion statement. Once you put your PC under a desk, you don't really notice the noise any more than you would a console.

You can get better temps with a gpu air cooler like the accelero xtreme series

@@gl4989 we just watched a whole video of him explaining water is more efficient than air. How does this differ for a graphics card?

The only reason I started all my water-cooling is because I wanted to get a silent GPU

@@okpen1234 Me too

He was talking about AIOs not custom loops.

I mean, aside from a potential display on the waterblock, with aircooling you can still get just as much. Just put RGB fans on the cooler and in your case

I'm just waiting for the day where RGB heat pipes are a thing. Lets be honest it's just inevitable.

RGB is trash...

@@Cosmstack but u cant have rgb pump res block and fittings on a heatsink

More rgb = better performance

I have a 3900x with a Hyper 212 RGB Black Push/Pull, its fine. 50's-60's

Thats my idle temp. Damn. Is my chip damaged or something?

Ryzen 5 3600; Noctua D-15S, Core P3 (Open air case). Awesome thermals.

@@k4rim865 silicon lottery probably

@Swifty9748 D-15 is an awesome choice. Just double check that it will fit

I would love to see Corsair or anyone make an aio for every 30/6000 series

My 6 year old EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid, runs at about 245 watts through a 120mm AIO. It puts out some serious heat lol. GPU temps under load are about 50-55c. It has been a trooper

My 6900xt asus lc is greatttt

@@sebastianmorales2753 Does it crank out some god awful heat like mine does? lol The air coming out of my overclocked i7 8700k on a 360mm aio is hardly warm under full load.. Atleast compared to the air coming out of my GPU radiator.

@@TheKansasDude I have two aios on my pc one of them is a 360 and the gpu is a 240 mm. And let me tell you dude, it's a mf heatbox

I'm still trying to see if I can keep for original 14inch high, 7.5 wide and 16.25 long tower case from 2008

3d printing is actually expensive AF.

@@kbjis Is still is? I figured it all went down in price massively by now

@@deathfromace It's not super expensive to start but if you want to get all crazy with custom air ducts, you would need a lot of CAD experience.

@@kbjis Not really. An Ender 3 and a brain is all you need to get started.

PLA 3D printing wouldn't be 100% waterproof - PLA is the most common 3D printing by far nowdays SLA could potentially be if done properly

Damn. That's some great temp performance on your GPU. I have (am stuck) with a 1070 also. It's an Asus blower style that sits at 65-70c.

I also use my computer as a space heater during winter time, unless it drops to like -10C, I can avoid using the actual space heater especially during the night. Uses less power than the space heater, too.

My room at summer becomes a multimedia sauna system, a first gen Cryorig H7 for cooling a Ryzen 3600, just about enough

Im currently building a pc now and i was planning to get intel 12th gen cpu alongside the z690 + noctua d15s just like you... should i get an amd cpu to make room for the cooler? Im building a high end pc for high workload.

The cooled designs already have changed, they have cutout for the RAM and MB. So no, this is an easy fix.

I also got a NH-D15 (black version) for my 2700X and it's such a beast, even during Cinebench stressing it's barely hitting 80 degrees with an ambient temperature of 31 degrees Celcius (hottest week so far in Norway), 4GHz all-core. CPU drawing some 170-ish Watts. During more reasonable temperatures of some 20ish degrees it's mostly around 55-60 during gaming, with a fairly lax fan curve for less noise.

Same but with 3950x, got mid/high 70's when running a cpu specific bench. Got an cooler right behind the block ramming the hot air out of the case too. The computer room is nice an toasty though.. T_T

@@feldmuis nh-d15 is such a great cooler

My 11700 with D15 get's 50C during gaming with the fan at 500 RPM.

ID-COOLING SE-207XT Black NH-D15 competition for only $50 on Amazon. Upgrade the fans for even more performance if you want to scale up.

Right, i have a solid panel BeQuite Case so ended up doing barbed fittings with braided Tubing to prevent a line collapsing

What maintenance are there for aio ?

@@mrtoasticles7144 nothing really, just cleaning dust out of fans

@@colinjava8447 idk im scared of aios cuz i heard they can leak but they look so goo. I want a cooler master 240 one.

@@mrtoasticles7144 it's possible but it's pretty unlikely. I wouldn't be put off by it personally if I was getting an AIO, unless it was some very cheap brand/model.

There is a reason Porsche went water cooled, they finally hit the maximum performance they could push via air cooling w/o warping their engines.

​@@SnowWolf9999I thought they stopped air cooled engines because of emissions regulations

Sorry but this point is wrong. The problem with an engine is it would overheat if it stands still so no fresh air can cool it down you had the same problem, you need to evacuate the hot air from the inside of the case and this is done by using air ducts. The problem is not the air cooler ( their working principle is the same) The problem is the AIO radiator sits flush to the case and pumps the hot air out or cool air in white the air cooler sits inside the case and pumps the hot air inside the case.

what are the specs of your pc and what temp is your cpu in the summer?

Ayy I have the same thing, lian li mesh 2 black case with a lian li white AIO, ram is white, my gpu is also white

My Noctua NH-D15 Chromax with White Covers want's to have a talk.

@@thedeegee1601 they can talk with the 11 140mm noctura fans that cool my loop silently.

Don’t get me wrong guys. The Noctua NH-D15 Chromax/Noctua fans hands down one of the best air cooler/fans for consistency, reliability and aesthetically.

If you have an 11900k you do! 🔥

Finally someone that gets me

@@WyFoster heck even my 10700k reach 72 on load @5.1 all core... im using 240+360 rad.. this 10 and 11th gen are seriously toasty boy when oc..my room ambient temp is quite high tho, usually around 25c.

@@exceldoyadika hitting high 60s low 70s with the H150i with my 11900k at 5.0. 1.37v 230watt power draw. No wonder it's toasty.

Cooling what? And what’s the environment?

What are you doing with this kind of CPU ? Your usecase is not a regular gamer use case.

Yes! My GPU used to be air cooled. Ran hot and sounded like a jet during games. Switched to water, the temps literally dropped 20 degrees and is now silent. IMO it's a much better investment to water cool the GPU.

AIOs may eventually die out in popularity because they're generally not much better than good air coolers. But a real custom loop, can make a huge difference.

I appreciate the simplicity of an AIO. I recently transferred my main rig to a Corsair 4000D Airflow case from a Corsair 220T case. I installed a Corsair three fan AIO. The cooling difference shocked me, if I may be frank. I haven't checked how as yet, but I would like to AIO cool my GPU with a two fan AIO in the case top.

GPUs are very easy too cool on air if done properly. Heat density and transfer is a very, if not the most important factor in water cooling vs aircooling, and srry to say this but JAY here get soo much wrong, as it's expected from a custom water cooling guy. Even tho water have much higher thermal capacity, it also has a lot worst heat transfer than raw metal, or a vapor chamber, which means air coolers let the heat go, much easier and faster. So in the end, you have a top air cooler performing almost equally with a good 280/360 at same noise ratio, when transfer is good and heat concentration is not that high. Say a 5950x running at 200w. That being said a loop will always keep the heat more evenly spread throughout the loop, which means it will always have a lower temperature on the coldplate, and it will always be more beneficial for low TDP and high density CPUs with bad thermal transfer. A 3080 might consume a lot of power, but it has direct contact and a very large die. A 5800x, packs a lot more power and thus heat in a lot less space, not to mention the IHS, despite consuming a third of a 3080. A good 3080 like a tuf or msi x trio, that has a good stock radiator it's only bottlenecked by the shitty fans it comes with and case airflow, especially now with the fashion of having a PSU shroud in a 40-45L case. Now take that GPU, remove its plastic shroud and slap 2x120x25 fans on it, and chose and optimize the case the best you can in the PSU shroud area (perforated shroud, hdd drive cage removed, solid removable bits of the shroud removed, excess cabling tucked behind the motherboard etc.) Run mesh case like that with its fans at 700-800rpm under load. That GPU with the fans around 800-1000rpm will sit in the mid-high 50s to low 60s. ON AIR and at a 350w load with a $30 mod.

@@ionutdanielserban9498 well, the 3080 founder I have had the fans ramping up to max, cooling below 70c, then temperature was left going above 70 and fans were ramping up again. I made all the changes in the case I could, increasing the air flow from the front, exhausting top and back, installed temp sensors... The condition was stabilized with noise from the fans and the temp on its 70c setpoint eventually. With the custom loop the gpu now doesn't go above 50/55c top, fans of the radiator reach just above half of their speed and the control is smooth due to the thermal mass of the water, and it holds clock at 1980. The PC is silent as it has never been before. It is a bit expensive, but my thinking here for the video is that while I see little effect to have an aio instead of air cooling just for the cpu, the custom loop extremely benefit my gpu, and also has improved the cpu due to higher water flow compared to the aio. Maybe some custom 3080s have better cooling, but with the case having to dissipate320w of gpu and 130w of cpu, fans and all will make some noise inevitably, and agree the case would need to be large. I am just using 2x 240mm radiators in my setup...

Same. Dang some cases can't fit larger air coolers

There's always ice _cubes_ then. Just put em in a ziploc and your rig'll be good and chilly.

You dastardly cubist.

Looks like a giant electric transformer station LOL

I have that same case. I modified the height of the psu bracket to closer to the lid. and made some cuts to add in a 3 slot gpu...

I too used the i7 4770K with 2400Mhz RAM, great times. Just my GPU was a GTX 770

What maintance do you have for water cooling?? None. 9 fucking years on service don't even changed thermal paste and my cpu is 60-65ºC under heavy load. there is nothing to compare whatever you use anything could fail vent or pump whatever, anyway u have to buy new one if it fails, and since they ain't expensive no one gives a fuck if it fails :D for less than 100$ u can buy both options. i stay with water cuz i spend almost all my time at pc, so i hate the noice from vents and try to minimize it.

@@betraid Air-cooling is the most reliable form of cooling for a computer. By its very nature it has few points of failure, and those points of failure are incredibly cheap and easy to resolve. For peace of mind, affordability, and reliability air-cooling has no equal.

not all the time, some times i wud rather have a pure black air cooler

depends

Purely subjective. I prefer the look of my D15S with Chromax black fans and black heat sink covers.

It is purely subjective, and it's not everyone's preference. Just mine.

@@mikeycrackson The stress on the socket would be crazy without built-in supports, would be interesting to see it done by a manufacturer though.

@@Midknight0122 We really need to see more PC case makers start making square cases where the motherboard is mounted horizontal, and with a basement for the PSU, so the motherboard can have the add on cards standing vertical like the old days, so there is less stress on the motherboard's card slots with how heavy some GPUs have gotten, and I really think that would solve a lot of issues

I have NZXT G12(Noctua NF-A9pwm) + NZXT Kraken X52 mounted on my EVGA SCII 1080ti. 2000Mhz @1V, playing at 1440p highest temps are around 60-63c in summer days

@@mikeycrackson True would just be tricky to fit into a case.

@@cafu6313 Right on! I got the same setup going with my 2080TI. 23C idle and 40C while playing 1440p. GPU core overclocked plus 90 and memory plus 200. Running around 2100Mhz right now but have not tried to go higher yet.

It's not the coolness of my custom loop, its the quietness that I enjoy. Graphics cards OC'ed under 100% load tend to get loud :)

agree, but on good aio's the difference is about 15 degrees. if it dosen't leak, then i'd easily have better longetivity

@Gareth Tucker I'm the same way. My temps are plenty solid, but I value silence over everything else. And my PC is QUIET

@@hashhacker2130 Depends entirely on your airflow situation. In my current mini ITX build, I started with a H100i v2 on intake, which at the time was supposed to be among the best. It started failing after 3 years, and I decided to try out air cooling, but had to go low profile due to my build size. However, since I was able to remove the water block radiator and have regular intake fans in its place, my GPU now ventilates much better and my CPU temps are around 2 degrees LOWER with a small form factor air cooler than they were with water cooling.

@Disciple Games it also depends on your airflow which is usually cramped on mini-itx and other small form factor builds. sometimes even bad placement of components block airflow which isn't the case with aios. there are many factors, but a good aio can give you a good performance and quieter experience

Have the same cpu, my nzxt aio took a shit on me tonight, going air cooling this time.

@@emmanuelencarnacion8219 i would never tell someone don't use aios, because i think they are good at removing heat. the problem being is you could have an issue, spring a leak whatever, and there is the problem for me. video cards right now are to fucking expensive to be taking that kind of risk.

Same, want to keep the insides of the pc "open", just looks cleaner

Is that the one that looks like a V8 engine? xD CHONKERS

Yes, copper tubing is used, but it’s kinda on the “enthusiast” category due to the skillset and tools required. The “gamer” standard is just making sure it looks good in RGB, which semitransparent plastic / cooling compound do the best.

@@ferdprime Noice. I only knew of hard tubing (glass, I think?) being used by the highly enthusiastic enthusiasts :)