Airgun Pellet Speed Power Test: 0 to 50m .22 +.177- FPS + FT LBS

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@grosbeak2007 6 лет назад

This video has no loud heavy-metal guitar, no mirrored shooting glasses,no expensive logo jackets, no young ladies dressed in clothes that would leave them shivering in actual outdoors conditions, no screaming and cursing, just carefully-done testing that is verifiable and fairly repeatable. Thank you, Giles, for being one of the rare adults to make an airgun video for grown-ups!

@Sgt_Bill_T_Co 2 года назад

It does have some smelly clothes though...

@obadiahsmith2345 Год назад

I don't know though, it could of been more thorough.

@martinhouse2669 Год назад

I have a 177 rifle set to 25 yds shoots 800 fps pellets now I know I can hunt with it.

@Skilpadjie1 8 лет назад

Brilliant vid. Lots of detail and hard work put in. Clearly showing the heavier pellets carries their momentum from their extra weight better.

@BoggWeasel 3 года назад

.177 is faster and has a flatter trajectory and here in the USA there's no FAC requirement for airguns of any type.😁 My .177 Diana 34 puts out close to 15ft lbs with average weight pellet and close to 17 ft lbs with a slower but heavier one like the 10.5 Crossman. I'll take faster and flatter any day esp when dinging nuisance chipmunks, those things sit still like a 5 year old with ADHD and run like Usain Bolt...

@b57ecv 8 лет назад

why not match a ten grain.177 pellet to a 10 grain ,22 pellet then see what calibre performs best using to identical make rifles in both calibres at the sub twelve foot pounds British limit, that would be interesting to see !

@bakters 7 лет назад

Physics predicts that a .177 should do better. Higher sectional density suggests better energy retention downrange.

@bakters 7 лет назад

kempouk More in favor of .177. Sectional density is mass/"caliber area". More mass per less area is even better than "the same mass"/"less area".

@zakariyyamohammed3114 7 лет назад

b57ecv j

@JETJOOBOY 7 лет назад

I literally just finished watching that video.. Cubleycat!

@wibble1999 7 лет назад

cubleycat....what happened with your channel. you did some downright outstanding shooting. Dave

@usingthatlogic 8 лет назад

get some ballistic gel blocks and put them down range, measure penetration/damage? :)

@oldskoolloner 8 лет назад

+usingthatlogic Great idea this simulates flesh not bone. Not saying it should not be done mind

@andywales666 8 лет назад

+or some rabbit skulls from local butchers? course then need to disect em, so maybe need to be a vet too lmao

@paulgreen2550 6 лет назад

Was just thinking the same thing but you beat me to it lol

@hebrewisraeliteboyd6051 5 лет назад

This will solve everything

@nordishkiel5985 8 лет назад

Now that is dedication. Thank you!

@PiperX1X 7 лет назад

I had to watch this twice and rewind a couple of times but it was worth it, Well done and a great video. It's people like you buddy who take the time and effort to make these vids to educate all of us out here. Keep up the good work my friend and keep them coming.

@Corysfortunes 8 лет назад

great job on the charts, i have some charts and talks about the subject scattered some where on my youtube channel, the .177 is a ping pong ball in ballistic coefficient, high speed and energy short lived while heavy pellets are like baseballs retaining lots of wallopy down range, in general heavy objects retain more energy then light objects, i have done the 25 yard chrony test on hundreds of pellets, you can cheat a little with knowing the ballistic coefficient of pellets done at 25 yards and then use a little math to finish it out to 100 yards, a light wad cuter in .177 would be for a example 7.0 gr .010 b.c. value and a jsb 10.34 grain .030, just looking at the numbers you see that the jsb is 66% more efficient at velocity retention and it means at long distances the wad cuter will slow down quickly and have hardly any energy to spare, many occasions a heavy round nose will even reach the target first at longer ranges, the high velocity marketing in america has fooled some to think alloy pellets are fast, this is true but only to 25 yards, after that they have a dramatic loss in energy and velocity, so for longer ranges heavy pellets are faster, think of the rabbit and the turtle story, the slow turtle catches up while the rabbit sleeps, light pellets sleep and heavy pellets carry on, its just the opposite of what we think, light pellets are for close range 0-25 yards, medium pellets are for medium range 25-40 yards and long range are the heavies 40-100+ yards if possible, many people associate lighter weight with a fast trip but they forget air resistance that a lighter pellet just cant handle of the shape like a flat nose, pointed are ok but round is just a little quicker, thats why our jets went from pointed nose to more of a round nose, many like to keep pointed pellets around 30 yards and at 800 fps and under since it can be a bit picky, this is why the 25 cal springers do so well with pointed pellets due to a drop in velocity just right for a pointed pellet, where as round nose pellets that are long and heavy seem to not fuss at higher speeds and loves all distances

@Smaug1 7 лет назад

The question is, will a .22 pellet at 4xx fps even penetrate the hide of the animal? You poor limies better beef up your stalking skills. The .177, while not carrying as much energy, will at least have enough velocity to penetrate the animal's hide, and that counts for a lot.

@edgarlombera7066 7 лет назад

Jeremy D it is

@wibble1999 8 лет назад

The most informative pellet video I've ever seen. Thanks Giles for taking the time effort and expense to produce it 😉

@foghole9449 8 лет назад

I didn't read all the comments but instead of moving the target, why didn't you just move yourself....probably a little easier. Nice video .

@bruceclark5627 7 лет назад

Fog Hole the target weighs less than the house

@adarshpb8895 5 лет назад

@@bruceclark5627 😂😂😂

@darylbaker8911 4 года назад

probly would have to move the bench , easy chair ect. enyhow

@kbarksdale 2 года назад

"Glue is expensive" LOL!!!! Great video and information that has helped me decide on a .177 vs a .22 rifle.

@1Maklak 8 лет назад

Good science. I would prefer it, if you added two extra columns to convert ft/s to m/s. And maybe two more to give ratios of current_speed/maximum_speed. Same for converting kinetic energy to joules. It is irrelevant if you smell, we can't feel it.

@TheCraigy83 7 лет назад

get heavier.177s h&n sniper magnums...11.3ft muzzle... 9ft 50m....4ft 100m. with equal weight pellet the .177 will ALWAYS retain more energy from having a smaller surface area suffering less wind resistance. these tests NEVER use the same grain pellet.

@Trotliners1 8 лет назад

Great job, thanks for putting all of the work into this video. I have been told numerous times that I was shooting too heavy of a pellet in my videos and I should shoot this brand and weight or that brand and weight. I know how my rifles shoot, and I've always felt that I was delivering plenty of energy and accuracy with my choices. When you connect on a breast shot on a dove from 153 yards and it sounds like it was hit with a baseball bat, you know what pellet your rifle prefers. Thank you again sir (you have helped me prove my point to the trolls)

@PointofimpactTV 8 лет назад

Hey Giles, I am a scientist and I thought your experiment was sound and has yielded some great findings. It backs up what I thought, explains why AA Field 16 grain are similar in trajectory to the lighter and faster Daystate Li 14.3 grain. Excellent job mate. Jonny

@64dexta 8 лет назад

Thanks Big Fella, as always an entertaining and informative video presented in an easily digestible format. There are a lot of people that could have put the same science out there as a cure for insomnia! Keep doing what it is you do so well and good luck!

@walkerbelle 7 лет назад

As a nuclear physicist and a military ballistics engineer, I can definitely say you have it all wrong however I totally enjoyed the video presentation just the same. Tis' a damned shame I have to search across the pond to get these kinds of stats since nobody here in the states can seem to take the time/effort to do this kind of work for those of us who enjoy a wonderful day out shooting our air rifles, pistols, revolvers and the like. Thank you mate for a great video.

@James-vg8bn 6 лет назад

Bo Hector all wrong in what way?

@mksthill 6 лет назад

@James: you beat me to it; hat tip. One would think if Bo was going to write so many pointless words after telling someone he was "all wrong" he could have at least included a reason or two.

@rickhofsess84 2 года назад

@James I know this is an old video but I've just stumbled across it and thanks for all the work. Very good information. I hope Bo Hector was just kidding because your methods and findings look real good to me, an engineer. Here in The States I'm just starting to experiment at grouping .25 cal at 100 yards. So far I've had the best results with 25gr pellets only because at those ranges I'm running out of dots in my scope. Really enjoy your video and find them very informative. Thanks

@danpaul2989 5 лет назад

.22 muzzle / 10.82ft-lbs 50 meters / 6.12ft-lbs .177 muzzle / 11.21ft-lbs 50 meters / 5.38ft-lbs Either could take a rabbit(head shot) at 50M

@supermonkey8142 2 года назад

Great work....what if we stand up and shoot an object near ground with a .22 tx200 @ 20-50 meters....is there a significant change in trajectory on .22 vs .177? Thank you

@neumy1944 8 лет назад

Well done Giles. A bit of info I've wondered at for some time but don't have the equipment, time, patience to figure out. Thanks for your hard work to give us the answers, haven't seen this done as yet, again well done. Cheers!

@AEAC 8 лет назад

Very interesting Giles. Thanks for your hard work on this. Steve

@Marcus___70s 8 лет назад

They Steve good to see you here with the UK lads buddy

@AEAC 8 лет назад

+Mark (Mark HW97K) Thank you Mark... been a Giles fan for years. Steve

@Marcus___70s 8 лет назад

+Airgun Exploration & Advancement Channel looking forward too many more of your videos Steve 👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧🇺🇸👏🏻

@wascalywabbit 4 года назад

DUDE!!!! you combined feet and meters,what kinda sadist are you......lol

@rossrritchie1400 4 года назад

Nice video again mate what's your thoughts on the hw 95 .177 what pellets do you recommend for this rifle for hunting

@thomasm5714 4 года назад

7300fps = the speed required for a 8.44 grain 0.177 pellet to deliver 1000 foot pounds.

@biagiocozza2933 7 лет назад

You are awesome, Giles. We are not worthy, We are not worthy. You have put quite a bit of work in to that one.

@rickymackie686 Год назад

Very thorough. Also i liked the added humour made it watchable😂😂😂

@jefferysullivan8923 7 лет назад

This is incredible information. Thanks so much for taking the time and effort! Love your stuff

@dhiredra 7 лет назад

great effort has been made to bring all these data. I wanted to know the trajectory results in terms of fps and muzzle energy. i got the results. Thanks.

@BaconNBeer 8 лет назад

Great video. Past the results projectile placement is everything. IMO.

@medwynvermin8772 8 лет назад

Great video Giles. Thanks for taking the time to get all the data and prep the video for us. I have found that your findings match mine in real life vermin control. I was finding that jacks and crows were some times not fatally shot when using JSB Exact at just shy of 50 mtrs. Respect for quarry got me to move to the JSB Exact Heavy and this has been much better. This is .177 sub 12 fpe btw.

@dopeofthepope 8 лет назад

Hawke Chairgun Pro will calculate what the pellet does for any distance. That´s still the most useful software in the world of long range airgunning.

@6lr6ak6 4 года назад

Isn't that just for setting the scope by mildots.

@stephengunrunnerhanson3550 7 лет назад

great shooting and lots of work but I say this 22 or 177 in the head its dead and my self have used nothing but 177 for 50 years and it kills very well and unless I can shoot in the head no shot move on to another head shot great video Giles and lots of hard work well done

@TerrariumFirma 5 лет назад

i just want to know how 177 and 22 with identical mass compare.

@williamlee8594 7 лет назад

Yes, I love living in America, I've got many different weapons . Growing up I hunted with everything from .22 or to 30.06. My favorite for deer was a .243. It was a Carl Gustavo mark 4 and I could cut wires at 100 yards with it. Unfortunately I was young and stupid now my uncle has it! I'm hoping to get it back some day. But since he's had it for 30 years I'm not 100% sure I will get her back. I have killed deer with .22 LR at 100 yards, the .22 LR is considered deadly at 400 yards. The military used to use a 1/2 inch plywood board to decide if something would kill. IF it penetrates full thickness it is considered a deadly weapon. ( now days the computers take the ft lb at various ranges to decide BUT rule of thumb if it penetrates 1/2 inch board its deadly. .22 have been tested out to 800 yards and the CCI stingers will penetrate the 1/2 in plywood at those distances! HITTING THE target is ANOTHER CHALLENGE!!!!!!!! Now that being said I decided for the SHTF scenario to have a .22 cal nitro piston air rifle. The .22 nitrogen filled airguns using heavy round domed pellets will give you 31'ft lb at 1050!fps. You can find faster airguns but at anything above 1100 GPS you will run into variables due to breaking the sound barrier. Projectile drift to tumbling . The extra speed isn't much of a help. The reason I decided on an Air rifle for the SHTF scenario is the fact that you can buy and store thousands and thousands of rounds cheaper and takes up less space than does bullets . I love his shield, I had thought about testing the velocity drops like he did and I would have NEVER thought about the shield idea, brilliant! Now for home security I have a 500 mossberg 12 gauge with the extended tube and it will hold 10' 3in mag. 00 buckshot. 11 if you keep one in the pipe..

@UKrulesSaysMe 8 лет назад

Been waiting for someone to do this for ages, very interesting cheers mate

@MrDkgio 4 года назад

You lazy bastard 😂

@Ruoja71 7 лет назад

FINALLY! Some normal scales!!! :P

@randymartin9760 6 лет назад

Great info and I like the dry wit thrown in for entertainment. I've often thought of doing this, but didn't want to risk my chrony. Coming from a lifetime of firearms shooting, this just confirmed what I know to be true. Heavier projectiles of the same caliber retain velocity and energy better than lighter ones do at the same distances. Heavier projectiles also have a more pronounced curve to their trajectory, so the trick is to find the tradeoff between flat trajectory and retained energy that works for your needs. Flatter shooting pellets give you more leeway in regard to aiming as well. There is a thing called Point Blank Range. This is the distance range where you can hold dead center of your target and not have to worry about hold over/under. My .177 cal. Beeman R9 for example, throws Crosman Premier Heavy pellets weighing 10.58 grains downrange starting at 747 fps. Zeroed at 15 yards and shooting at a 1 inch target, this gives me a Minimum Point Blank Range of 11 yards and a Maximum Point Blank Range of 38 yards. Anywhere within those distances, I can hold dead on the target and know I'll hit within that 1 inch target. The trajectory starts out a couple inches low at the muzzle due to the distance between the center of the bore and the center of the scope, climbs to a half inch low at 10 yds, continues to zero at 15 yds., then continues to rise to a half inch high at 25 yards, then starts falling back through zero at about 34 yds and back to a half inch low at 38 yards. That doesn't take windage into account, so there's always that variable, and even vertical impact can be affected by the wind. Those numbers are what I can do on a calm day, so I generally try to stay a couple yards shorter than the maximum to be safe. This 15 yard zero gives me the most useful range for my needs. With lighter 7.97 grain Crosman Premiers a 15 yard zero yields too high a trajectory path at midrange of nearly an inch high. I have to move my zero out to 20 yds to stay within a half inch of point of aim, and the min and max distances shift farther away by a couple of yards.

@johnreiland4362 6 лет назад

Most or at least many of us wonder about research and test result but do nothing about them except hope "someone" would do it and explain the why and how of it all. Kudos to you for your perseverance and obvious love of the sport. Keep up the good work.

@paulskvorc7021 5 лет назад

Not trying to be a smardass, but all of this is simply explained (and quantified) by "ballistic coefficient". While rarely published, your data provide more than sufficient information to calculate REAL BC values. I like your 'experiment'. It's always good to have REAL data to support the theoretical.

@lensman5762 5 лет назад

If you use his 50m results to verify the BC for his guns they appear to be about 10%~12% lower than what I would get for mine. Shooting Chronys are not the most accurate nor reliable of the ballistic chronographs either as they are very prone to error due to light level fluctuations and projectile angle but, as a whole an entertaining video. All this proves is not to go hunting with a sub 12 beyond 40~45 yards. There just isn't enough energy to do the job cleanly.

@Piccyman1 3 года назад

Isn't it time to test the Hades .177? Pretty please :-)

@depressedislandersfan8086 6 лет назад

All in all get a heavy grain .177 pellet. Smaller surface area= better penetration and less wind resistance

@frankmonroe6991 6 лет назад

Better penetration, You mean Over Penetration = Runners = Go Home Hungry

@greekveteran2715 3 года назад

@@frankmonroe6991 Please sir, which is better for hunting then? I thought the havier 177 pellets, would be the best. If you couldn't use a scope, and you somtimes missed the head and hit the body, which cal would be better for human fast kill? Im between the Weihrauch hw97 177 cal or the hw 80 with 22 cal. Which one would work better for hunting rabbits with open sights? Thanks in advance

@frankmonroe6991 3 года назад

@@greekveteran2715 hw80 .22 had one too FAC verry heavy for Squirles. I'd pick hw97 only in .22. How about new FWB Sport .22 ,I have a old FWB 127 FAC .22 BEST of all Time Springers.....Franky

@greekveteran2715 3 года назад

@@frankmonroe6991 Typo, I meant hw95. It will be used mainly for plinking, next rabbits and some target shooting and it has to be open sights, because of stupid laws. I want the best I can get, that fits my needs. I m going to check the FWB Sport and the 127 now! Thank you very much, I really appriciate it!!

@frankmonroe6991 3 года назад

@@greekveteran2715 Are You in 12flb Land ?

@glenr834 8 лет назад

I could potentially add that a heavier pellet may have a bigger arc to its flight, making it slightly harder to judge these things at varying distances... Where a lighter pellet may be beneficial at long varying ranges?

@airgunsfreedom700ssp3 8 лет назад

Hello Giles. Joe from Nova Scotia Canada. I enjoy your videos very much. I do however have a minor criticism. I have noticed when you shoot through the Chronograph up close. You shoot through at a downward angle over the sensor,s. Doing so, increases the distance between the sensor,s and thus decreases the resulting readings. I have experimented with this, using the approximate angle you use, and exactly parallel over the sensor,s and showed as much as 30 feet per second difference.

@givemetoast 6 лет назад

Wonderful and beneficial project! I don’t think people really appreciate the work, time and effort an analysis like this took! Plz ignore any negative comments from those that can’t or wouldn’t do as such. I’m now subscribed!

@secretsix6 8 лет назад

when i first had my chrono i manged to shoot it right next to the barrel lol

@nickcook2002 8 лет назад

lol I'm a nuclear scientist and it is all tosh ;) lol love it mate very informative and well presented thxz keep it up.

@johnwilson6707 2 года назад

if its not yards its no no moa scope GILES

@REVIEW_JUJUR Месяц назад

*Nice Research... FYI Slug is holding speed in distance because it has better balistic coeficient.*

@thatsmytwocents4372 4 года назад

OMG, I Love It: Have A Valium & A Cup'O Tea. Right On U Bugger !!! I got me tea, pass the Valium !!!

@dean11daly 7 лет назад

Thank you for taking the time out of your own personal life to do that. I think I get the message. Heavier for hunting!?! I think I agree even though a little baffled. Thank you

@johnjoseph390 4 года назад

Pretty informative... TnQ a lot.

@gliderboy438 6 лет назад

What a brilliant vid! And best of all, with our low powered UK kit. Thanks Giles.

@laurieharper1526 8 лет назад

Fascinating stuff, Giles. Thanks. I like JSB Exact heavies in my .177. Would be interesting to see how they retain energy at distance.

@greathey1234 8 лет назад

This is the best demonstration on pellets I have seen ever. Thank you man. I have decided to try piledriver .177 at 21 grain with my RWS 350. I hope the combination of high power and heavy pellets along with some bullet lube should help my range dramatically

@jamiemarsden3823 2 года назад

not sure where ur getting 21gr from lol the current heaviest .177 is just shy of 17gr lmao you shooting a mod?

@300bhpton 8 лет назад

Very cool vid. Any plans to do a follow up for .25 in a UK legal 12ft lb rifle? And I guess from interests point of view, it'd be nice to see if the same trend held true at the extremes of the weight ranges, such as a 18-19grain+ in .22

@ratdog3055 8 лет назад

Good job Giles. Just proves the formula involving mass and kinetic energy or the old adage: do you want to get hit by a sports car doing 70 or a freight train doing 40.

@andywales666 8 лет назад

NEITHER!

@roseybut 8 лет назад

Nice one giles. Your findings apply to all projectiles. The heavier slower moving projectile will lose less energy than the smaller faster moving ones. I'm a keen airgunner but I also have rim and centre fire rifles as well. Recently I was given a lesson in balistics by my local balistic "Yoda" who explained to me when I was considering trying a 40 grain bullet as opposed to my usuual 55 grain one why the 40 grain bullet, although intialy travelling much faster would, as the range increased, drop off and loose energy much faster than the 55 grain bullet. Thanks for taking the time and putting in the effort to prove it.

@martkt10 8 лет назад

Great video, when i was younger and shot a lot at a club, we used Ballistic gel at 50 yards (sorry feet and inches guy) noted the depth of the pellet and then placed blocks of gel at 60 yards and 70 yards and it depended a lot on the weight of the pellet

@thomasbeavon6485 Год назад

Full marks for your work Giles

@MegaBurndown 3 года назад

great video thanks for the information . that had to take time I have been testing my Diana 48 in 177at 10 feet shooting a10.65 gr Baracuda power 803 average fps 14.91 FPE have a whole box different brands an weights of pellets to test welded up a pellet trap have 10 yards in basement this summer move outside I love springers, I believe I have watched all your springer videos well this old man saying good night an GOD bless from the USA

@richardwallinger1683 8 лет назад

Super presentation Just what I was struggling with . 18m spot on scope 38m spot on again .22 / 5.5 muzzle velocity fps 921.MTC SCB Viper 4 16 50. Decided to return to 177 4.5 can't hit a thing in 22 5.5 . FX Bobcat .Regulated .

@anitagriffith4614 8 лет назад

Giles,good video.Thanks for the hard work. The way things are going in the U.S.,we may only have air rifles too,but we may not have lead to shoot in them. Wayne

@davidlomm4424 5 лет назад

Great video :) I will offer 2 personal efforts,... I dropped a Rabbit with a head shot at 50 yards with a 10.6 grain Crosman Copper pellet in my US$35 Daisy Powerline 880 multi pump that I picked up off the shelf at my local Walmart. I also have an Umarex Octane .22 which is stupid heavy, has a horrible trigger but punched a hole in one side & out the other of a full, 1/2 gallon milk container with the Crosman 14.3 grain domed pellet AFTER FLYING 100 YARDS at the gun range !... Through & through a plastic 1/2 gallon milk jug & the same result on another cardboard 1/2 gallon milk jug :)

@adycooke5925 8 лет назад

Well Giles, your like the busses round here. You wait ages for one and 5 turn up at once. All the very best and glad your back on form.

@susanmarie4257 7 лет назад

awesome vid 'its about time someone showed the fps at distance 'your really kewl'keep up the good work.

@airgunsharpshooter4889 5 лет назад

my hw110 is at 10.7ftlbs @ the muzzle....... i recently took a long ish range rabbit with a headshot in the field. i marked my point, and the rabbits point and ran to get my measuring tape. using 16g .22 i had this kill at 58m. i was comfy with the shot as id practiced my ranges and hold over/under. but i dont think id attempt any further. i remember as a kid having a pistol that shot at 4ftlbs, and i used it for point blank shots when dispatching mixy rabbits. so, your experiment with having 4-5 ftlbs down range at 50 meters seems about right with my experience. im glad someone has done the experiment to prove my theory haha! thanks again.

@kostaspolitis4706 8 лет назад

thanks friend. bravo!

@mikestone9129 4 года назад

This is one of your better videos. It really is surprising. And I can smell you all the way here in South Texas, go wash them knickers:-)

@michaelstones6525 3 года назад

As always interesting and informative 177 -8.44 are the standard but the 177 (hunting) 10.65 would have been a very interesting outcome please !!!! Your the best

@booobtooober 7 лет назад

Nice video. Have you done or planing to test heavier pellets? Specifically JSB Exact Heavy - 10.34 grain .177 and 18.13 grain .22 I also presume there must be a point of being to heavy relative to the rifles power, eg JSB Monster & Beast Jumbo, @ 25 and 34 grain in .22 cal.

@jimmy66603 5 лет назад

Great videos mate. You certainly know your stuff. I'm sure you'll t ake this as a compliment......? I thought I knew you from somewhere? But I couldn't quite put my finger on it...? Until just now..? It can't just be me.....surely?? Play anyone of your videos of choice, it doesn't matter. The important part is not to watch you . Look away.....cover your eyes.....whatever your choice. Do not look! Just listen! You are Jeremy Clarkson. You probably don't realise it mate. I've tried this experiment on lots of family and friends. Same result every time. You are deffo Clarkson.! Lol. On a serious note mate. Great stuff. Keep it coming .🤣👌👍

@OffGridMadMan 4 года назад

Brilliant video, well done on all the messin around for us! Seems .177 aint so bad for hunting after all as long as you use a decent weight pellet. Anyway, I'm off for a cup of tea and a valium.

@scottydog2871 8 лет назад

Best pellet test vid, nice N easy. I generally use H&N FTT for .177 in calm conditions and JSB Heavies in breezy weather. In .22 RWS Hobby's up to 35-40 yards and then any of these AA Fields, JSB Exact and Logun Penetrators any further.

@twowheelstouring482 4 года назад

Pity you didn't try a PCP, I've read somewhere that at distance they retain a bit more energy something to do with the way the air is delivered. But I can't remember exactly why.

@dicconogara1717 7 лет назад

Excellent information saved me hours of work, But came to the conclusion a while ago now that a heavy 177, e.g. bisley magnum 10.2 gr will hit harder, fly flatter, than a light weight 22 by just looking at the 6mm exterior ply backing the target. At 50 meters the 22 dents where as the 177 keeps going through.

@davidhaylett1810 16 дней назад

Great video, many thanks. But although I see the lighter pellets slow down faster, have you considered the total time taken to hit the target at each distance and pellet weight. Doesn’t matter for target shooting but useful to know for hunting as the faster the pellet gets to the target the less chance the prey can move out of the way and escape etc. I suspect with a .22 and slower speed, the prey might more easily escape, especially with a noisy gun, with the gun sound reaching the prey well before the pellet.

@Zoltan74 6 лет назад

Impact surface +50% on .22 cal. /.177 cal vs .22cal/ So 50% more energy needs the same penetration depth.

@mike-ology22 4 года назад

Great video. I've just bought my first air rifle. You could always place some ballistics gel at a distance and measure the penetration/damage

@mrbadx19 8 лет назад

good testing, appreciate the effort! your data is fine for the UK and lower places near a large body of water. you're basically near sea level with a high humidity. thick air made thicker with humidity. i know you've been out to Arizona a couple years ago, get a kilometer or so above sea level, and 5-10% humidity, thinner air with less dense air due to water vapor. i'm just 20 miles SW of chicago, 245M above sea level and far enough from the lake that it's usually not that humid. 4-5 months of the year (fall-winter) the humidity in my condo falls below 20% (forced air heating, gas powered). then there are all sorts of pellet designs, flat heads, pointed, domed, hollow points, hollow points with points in the hollow, etc. but i think you've laid a good baseline for general performance.

@RobWhittlestone Год назад

Great video! Interesting results. Kinetic Energy = 1/2 m * v^2 so it is reasonable to expect that speed is more important. However a lighter pellet has less momentum and is more susceptible to aerodynamic drag than a heavier pellet so will lose energy quicker. Therefore for longer distances where the drag has time to significantly slow the lighter pellet, it can be reasonably expected to fare less well than a heavier one in terms of terminal energy. Have you tried modelling this with the Hawke Chairgun application or a similar ballistics calculator? I expect it would confirm your measurements and observations. And yes, I'm a physicist. All the best, Rob in Switzerland

@johnbasson2195 7 лет назад

Awesome effort, and thanks a lot for this valuable information !!

@rolexr 4 месяца назад

Fantastic testing and comparison of thos calibers - but....interesting would be how acts a .177 pellet with the same weight as a .22 caliber pellet!?!?!! For example a .177 JSB Exact "Monster" with 13.43 grain or a "Beast" with even 16,2 grain!!!

@EarthSurferUSA 6 лет назад

Thanks for the vid. I did your information, but man, protecting the chrony at longer distances should have been a 1st thought, before you destroyed 2 of them. But hey, many be I can become a crony distributor in your area. :)

@rafaassuncao5433 6 лет назад

"have a valium & cup of tea" you rock! ahahah

@greg6162 4 года назад

I literally just took my Valium 5min before watching this (yes I have a script) Lol... So anyway I took my first squirrel today off a fence at 20yds (I used a range finder) with a .22 Gamo Swarm Whisper 10x using Crosman Ultra mag domed 14.3g... I hit the squirrel too low beneath the ear almost throat area. It instantly climbed my tree... no death dance as it was a bad shot 🤦‍♂️. I felt terrible, so I walk up to the tree and see it still breathing and put a pellet literally 4mm above my previous shot in his dome and he finally did the dance and was done in 10sec. So I grab the squirrel and noticed there was no exit wound on my initial shot at 20yds or the follow up shot at point blank range?! Now using my FX Chrony earlier that day I was getting about 680fps with the 14.3g and my rifle is broken in over 300 shots and my groups have tightened up wonderfully, I’m doing 1/2” groups or better at 20yds all day (shot for 4 hours today before taking that squirrel) so I know I’m a great shot, I just got “buck fever” as they say in the US and rushed my shot which I will never do again as I’m new to air rifles. I’m great shot at powder burners but ammo is too expensive and shooting ranges are closed due to Covid19, but I am addicted to air rifles now, I don’t even want to shoot my powder burners if I could. I took 6 months to perfect my shot technique as it’s almost completely opposite of how I would shoot my Ruger 10/22 rim fire. I wouldn’t shoot any pest (except a rat maybe) without knowing I can hit my kill zone. Now my shot placement was off and I take full responsibility for a poor placed shot as it was vertical on par with the ear of the squirrel just a smidge too low to hit the brain, I hit more of the throat I guess? I wish I could post a pic but I don’t think it’s a good idea. My concern is there was no exit wound on either shot even at point blank range?! I know in the UK you guys are 12FPE limited but you guys have great videos of squirrel hunting at sub 12FPE and still can gobsmack a squirrel’s dome and get and exit wound so what gives? Should I of used the JSB Hades 15.89 or maybe my H&N Hornets for deeper penetration... or is my Gamo not powerful enough... maybe the seals or something causing a loss in power? I know the FX Chrony can be temperamental and I don’t have another Chrony to compare it to yet. Maybe the Chrony is off and I’m shooting much slower? My question is bad shot placement aside, should there of be an exit wound or do I need a more powerful break barrel? I have a .22 Sig ASP20 in back order... should be here in 4wks or so and I know that has the power to drop squirrels with great accuracy at 23FPE. Should I give up on the Gamo for hunting and just use it for plinking because when my Sig ASP20 comes I was gonna let my dad use the Gamo(he loves air rifle shooting as much as me now) for our hunting excursions now I’m not so sure? Sorry for the rant I’m just upset I took my first squirrel like that it’s embarrassing but a lesson learned for sure. That’s why I’m watching this video because I need to calculate the FPE at 20yds and find out which pellet is the most lethal and humane. I have a wide variety of high quality pellets. Any help would be appreciated...again sorry for the rant.

@greekveteran2715 3 года назад

@@greg6162 So, 177 is way better for hunting and target? I want to get a new Weihrauch and I can't decide. Hw95 177 cal or hw 80 22 cal? It will be used for plinking, some target practice and hunting. Which one wpuld you get if you could only have one? Also, no scopes allowed here. maybe I mount 1 in the future, but it will mainly be open sights.Thanks in advance

@eddiecahall3824 3 года назад

@@greekveteran2715 Get a Hatsan mod95 vortex and save your self the extra cash and headache

@greekveteran2715 3 года назад

@@eddiecahall3824 I don't think it's going to be as accurate or as good quality overall as Weihrauch? Am I wrong? If Hatsan is that good, then I'm getting that. Thanks

@eddiecahall3824 3 года назад

@@greekveteran2715 oh yes sir, they are. And they cost a little less. Plus the Hatsan is known for superior performance and accuracy. I have a bunch. I've tried all this stuff. I sent the German air rifle back and got my money back after I found out. But if your looking to shoot pellet in pellet holes, then your best choice is a Pcp air rifle from Hatsan. If you're looking for budget with superior accuracy and power in a PCP then the beeman commander 22cal pcp air gun would fit the bill. Amazon is a good place to purchase or try ebay.Research first before you purchase! You will needs a good scope for whichever you choose.Check out the hammers scopes or leapers UTG air rifle scopes first.Ed the professional backyard sniper man😎✌

@ashy1423 5 месяцев назад

Brilliant video Thank you 👍 Have you done a video with the air arms s510 xs carbine FAC rated? I’m picking mine up next weekend and I really hope I don’t have to do all that you’ve done to get the answers 😂😂 I’ve just subscribed as I like the way you explain and your commitment to the job at hand. Stay well and thanks again. Ash from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@rudenway24 7 лет назад

I've tried loads of pellets through my .22 LGV and find that the 15.9g JSB drops the least at my 68m target. Been wanting to do a similar experiment but too tight to buy a chrono.

@TyrannosaurusDVM 5 лет назад

You are a good experimenter. Your findings are very interesting. Until now, I consider useles the .22; y only have .177 guns; but I am considering the purchase If a .22

@tyronekim3506 8 лет назад

I finally found the video that I was looking for in determining the pellet speed differences between .177 and .22 at various downrange distances. Your results were contrary to my speculation... but seeing the chronograph results I have to go along with your data. I am thankful that you actually set the chronograph at the various distances to measure the pellet speed at the various distances and not calculate the pellet speed based on the ballistic coefficients and the distances of the pellets. Looks like you've put a lot of thought and time in making this video. I learned something new today. Thanks.

@lukejones8385 7 лет назад

Thanks Giles, another fantastic video 😎 I've been trying to decide for a while whether to buy a .177 or .22 and this video has helped me decide on .177 😎 I'm thinking of buying a Walther RM8 any advice out there about this air gun(I've also seen your review about this gun too another great video 😎) please keep making videos 👍

@nukemaru 7 лет назад

Beautiful job and the key to the scientists simplicity without words, XD, just amazing!! thanks.

@jamessherburn 7 месяцев назад

Heavy .177s outperformed light .22s! Shot from similarly powered guns this would be a greater outperformance? So, to survive alone on rabbits and squirrels after SHTF, it'd be better off getting the Crosman 1377, rather than the 1322. I get the heaviest .177s that I can. Also, and perhaps most importantly, .177 are half the price of .22 : )

@feellnfroggy 6 лет назад

Wear you some Merino wool bud, Ms. AirgunGearShow will thank you.

@rattytattyratnett 6 лет назад

The chair gun app will give information about the ballistic coefficient and down range data for most pellets.

@kevinJmadsen 6 лет назад

Great humor, "wouldn't advise" gluing something live down range and shooting at it, "glue is expensive" :)

@prestonthomas5987 5 лет назад

My programming keeps shrinking in the bottom of the of the phone is making it hard for me to watch it that's the problem

@pouyakoohsoltani420 7 лет назад

Amen to this video , mate !!!! such a great , scientific video... I'm as they say , a "numbers guy" , and i absolutely found out that a .177 would be better for my use... thanks , keep it up !

@erickfragata7975 2 месяца назад

This confirmed what I always had in mind about the behaviour of heavier and lighter pellets relative to distances. Thank you.

@BFagan 8 лет назад

Great job, Giles! I had a feeling my H&N's were pushing out more energy, retaining that "smack" a .22 is supposed to. My .22 PCP is shooting at 1126 fps, with about 18 ft lbs. I'm using the H&N Snipers or the Rabbits for small game, and Air Arms 15 grain ball points for just plinking. Hey, $10 USD for 500 rounds isn't bad :D

@Alexa-pe8ie 5 лет назад

Wow this video is 3yrs old & underrated. You’re an impressive & professional presenter keeping things very interesting, humorous, clear, concise, informative, & unbiased. Excellent work investing in the equipment, filming, compiling the data, delivering the info, & thoughtfully wearing the same dirtied outfit. I’m more interested in long range shooting myself & subjectively, I feel like .177 is easier to hit a target at long range when I use a lightweight alloy pellet, the Gamo Raptor, compared to when I use the same exact gun (Beeman RS2) chambered in .22 using RSW Superdomes but maybe they are both traveling the distance but I need to compensate more for the drop from the .22 & because my scope was adjusted for the .177? If you’re still making videos, would love to see a video comparison of exactly how far (distance) pellets of each caliber (same make/model) can travel before dropping & also another test to see the difference in muzzle velocity & velocity down range if an equally heavy .177 pellet & a wider .22 weighing the same w/ similar shape were fired.

@clydecobler6928 8 лет назад

Outstanding! This is what I have always wanted to test since I tried to work out what caliber to choose for my first 12 fpe air rifle when I was 16 in 1979. I chose a Feinwerkbau Sport .177 on the basis of a magazine review by an American hunter of African Big Game, used to handling .577 Nitro & .458 WM who was shooting rats with one, on his riverside mooring. I still have the old Feinwerkbau, but I'd knackered it in 10 years of heavy use. I'd rather buy a new HW97 .22 than get the FWB restored now. You are inspiring me to get back into airguns after years of full FAC firearms. Congrats on being one of the most watchable & charismatic shooting pundits this side of the legendary US YT great, Hickok45! I am now a new subscriber.