AK47 by KillShots 

How long does it take for them to puff up? Mine is still super floppy and I've thrown them a lot.

Do you like those tangos? That’s the first bag I threw it was a little too full and beady for me if that makes any sense good bag though I’m pretty impressed you can roll that thing mine were used so they didn’t roll or flop too well anyway,thro hard

@Bbear C Yup, I do like the Tangos ( also Fire Embers) and I use them when I play singles as they are really good blockers. Once I have successfully blocked the hole from a slide shot then the rolls start. I don't make them every single time but usually my opponent gets frustrated and they throw airmails and usually they miss more which equals more points for me. In blind draws I usually throw faster bags as not too many people like beady, bouncy carpet bags. My go to's are usually Fallout X or Pro Snipers when boards are too sticky. In colder non humid days I like Killshots 357 and All Slides 2.0. Only took me about 20 sets of different bags to find my handful of bags that works for me. Lol 😆 🤣

I agree. The AK47 plays a lot like the Sorcerer and Fallout X. The Sicario is a much better roll style bag.

I haven't thrown a 357 is a while. I think the template is the same but the AK47s are thinner and floppier.

I am not familiar with that bag. I do not have any Young Guns bags. I eventually want to try some of their bags.

I know nothing about them either. I've never seen or thrown one either. They are on my list of bags to review but I do not have a set yet.

If you have only thrown them to break them in, then it will take a while to get them to loosen up. I recommend using Toss Sauce to help speed up the process. The AK47 has the marksman fill which is what KillShots calls their disc fill. They haven't changed the fill since they introduced these bags. The fill manufacturing process is not very consistent. So some batches of fill may be a little different than others which may be what you are feeling in your bags. As for the speeds, I rate the bag speeds based on how the bags play for me. Sometimes my speeds are different than the listed speeds but that doesn't mean that one is right and the other is wrong. There isn't a set scale that everyone uses to determine speeds. There are also a lot of different variables that affect the speeds (like boards, conditions, throw, etc). That is why you will see bags with the same materials listed as different speeds by different companies.

@@MikesBags I do want to say that I did soak in vinegar and softener (my preference, 1 hr each, dry on high heat) just to loosen them up a bit. If their "disc fill" is their marksman fill, I don't think they feel like disc's when I feel the beads at all. More like squares? As for speed, I do believe the material is true, just that I haven't broken them in yet, but everything else throws me off a little compared to review or website(maybe things changed and that's ok) . I know it varies from board to board, but just wondering if you'd want to check them out just for comparison for a video.

The Cannons are probably the fullest bag by KillShots but they are not fast. I'm not aware of a full bag by KillShots that is fast.

I do not have a set of Phantoms yet. They are on my list of bags to review but I'm not sure when I'll be buying a set.

I recently confirmed that it is the same slow side material. It plays different because of the fill and flop differences. It's a Sicario with disc fill but it's a much floppier version.

@@MikesBags It didn't feel the same to me just in the hand. A rep told me that it's not the same material after i asked him if it was. Either way, I think the sicario is junk and the AK-47 is ok. If it's the same material then i guess the dye makes it feel different on my fingers.

Different color materials can feel different. Also different break in methods can make them feel different. The Sicario and AK47 are completely different bags. It really is player preference on which one is better.