AKRS Universal Optics Rail from KGM Consortium

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At the IWA trade show earlier this year, a representative from the Polish KGM Consortium gave me a sample of a new AK optics rail to try out. This idea here was to create a universal optics mount for basically any AK/AKM/AK74 rifle that would be light, not require permanent modification, and not interfere with other military accessories like under barrel grenade launchers. The target market was Ukraine; to provide a way to quickly and easily improve the combat effectiveness of legacy Kalashnikovs by giving them modern optics.
The rail mounts to the gas tube of the rifle after removing the upper handguard. Three steel claps are used (the rest of the mount is 7075 aluminum, but the steel clamps give steel threads for the 12 screws used). For an additional point of control, the mount is designed to fit tight over the rear sight block of the rifle, thus stabilizing the often-slightly-wobbly gas tube. Since this does not use the barrel at all, the lower handguard is not involved and UBGLs like the GP-25 and GP-30 can still be used. The mount is high enough to allow easy field stripping of the rifle, and either rod dot or magnified optics can be used.
I was initially skeptical, but when mounted to my rifle (an older Century AK74 build with Was tGerman furniture) it actually seemed quite solid. Disassembly and reassembly did not cause a loss of zero. However, after I tried dropping the rifle from head height a couple times, I got a 6 MOA vertical shift in POI. KGM advised me that removing and replacing the rail/gas tube assembly would fix this, but it did not.
Despite my initial skepticism, I really wanted to like this once I started using it. And as long as it doesn't suffer a significant blow, I think it is a pretty good solution for easily mounting optics on an AK. The use of the rear sight block as a support is clever, and isolating the rail from the dust cover prevents any zero-hold issues resulting from basic field stripping. Unfortunately, the drop that caused my zero shift is not really a "torture" sort of thing to my mind; it's a totally reasonable accidental slip that could happen to anyone, and having this cause a major zero shift is a significant compromise.
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@william2k 3 месяца назад

The "have your tried switching it off and on again" advice

@fabiogalletti8616 3 месяца назад

Works *almost* every time.

@andredulac4456 3 месяца назад

Try to put it in a bag of rice, should be good enough

@ohredhk 3 месяца назад

To be fair, sometime it does work

@Col_Mustard 3 месяца назад

60% of the time, it works every time.

@afd19850 3 месяца назад

“Hello IT…”

@macy725 2 месяца назад

The AK has been out almost 80 years and we're so close to putting optics on them!

@BlackCat-tc2tv 3 месяца назад

The problem with one off field “tests” like dropping the rifle is that the optic itself could have been damaged (or its mount shifted) . Still interesting.

@Panzermeister36 3 месяца назад

Also, the NATO standard 2 meter drop test is to be conducted on a sheet of 1/2-inch plywood over cement. Not on a shooting mat over sand. FWIW.

@shermrock345 3 месяца назад

Yeah I bet it was the ootict

@Pitchlock8251 3 месяца назад

After the hit to the holosun, I'd put it on a surface plate or something and see it that rear section of rail didn't bend. But if is was constant after the hit maybe the initial install wasn't fully seated.

@scottwatrous 3 месяца назад

I could see both scenarios. There's a lot of thin webs holding that aft end together, I could see the aluminum yielding there just slightly from a 2m hit on the cantilever from the mass of that rifle. They are substatial enough that it shouldn't be a lot but it can happen .

@shrike7777 3 месяца назад

This is the exact thing I was thinking.

@Billie.Nelson 3 месяца назад

You really should have used the iron sights on the mount to prove that the mount itself (and not the red dot) lost zero.

@justinsmart581 3 месяца назад

That was my first thought as well. For all we know, the optic itself lost zero. I know it isn't a cheap optic, but it still could have been what actually bumped. Considering resetting the mount led to the same result, I'm super curious if it was the optic that lost zero and not the mount.

@MikeDCWeld 3 месяца назад

@@justinsmart581 my suspicion was definitely that the optic shifted zero. The group after the re-install seems to confirm that to me.

@alexanderwaterman4179 3 месяца назад

Yeah. I also thought it was probably the holosun

@Inflorescensse 3 месяца назад

Very unlikely it’s the optic. Especially given the play. Equally unlikely those rudimentary sights would tell you much. Further, of course he didn’t think to do that first, so it’s moot.

@Billie.Nelson 3 месяца назад

@@Inflorescensse Yes, unlikely but not impossible.

@KriegsMeister27 3 месяца назад

With your grouping being so consistent even after the drop, and resetting the mount, I'd be more inclined that your optic shifted zero. I think it warrants a bit more testing with a different optic just to be sure. Also testing the optics themselves on a absolute positive mounting like an AR-15 as a control. I get that Ian may not have the time to do all this extra testing but it would be neat if someone else could run it.

@rundaquunda6325 2 месяца назад

Ah, my combat set up. Good to see it here. Got plastic furniture on mine though. That rail is $10 cheaper than an FAB defense dust cover, which if you take a look at the front of it is also about half an inch higher than a standard dust cover. So the difference in height is actually negligible. I wouldn't say this rail is too high. It is pretty comfortable in terms of height. Not the lowest there, but most dudes put a riser on their weapon anyways. Where it excels is if you use it together with NODs and something like an EOTech to look through or other night vision ready red dots, then it is just perfect height even without risers. I used that setup because IR laser will be spotted by the ruzzians. You don't knock your NODs on the weapon and have the dot right in front of your face. So it is actually at a sweet spot. Not too low, but not too high. I was choosing between that and the FAB defense dust cover. FAB is the only one that actually holds zero on long range. TWS and Zenit are up to 5 MOA off zero after field strip. And in combat you need to clean your gun a lot. Basically after every major battle. Side mounts are last millennium, I don't even consider them. Too much leverage on that small side rail. Receiver warps from heat when intense fire sessions ever so slightly, so your point of aim on long range wanders away considerably even without force impact. Long range I consider 300m, which are quickly surpassed in open fields and urban combat in average cities. The distance between two blocks is oftentimes 500 to 600 m. About 500m is the longest distance I ever hit a boogie with this setup. I rock an EoTech and 5x G45 magnifier on my 5.45. Second shot was a hit, aimed center mass between the shoulders, hit somewhere good. Boog was down immediately. Bought it myself, though I am partially sponsored by my community at home.

@AdeptusPrimo 2 месяца назад

Keep up the good fight brother!

@kukusyayakh9674 2 месяца назад

Slava Ukraine! Glory to the free world❤

@DG-mx7zd 2 месяца назад

this rail really out here making an AK a Railgun 😁🚀 get it? Thank you for your Service, Brother Slava Heroyam 🇺🇦❤

@KGMIndustrialConsortium-by3be 2 месяца назад

Thank you for your feedback and thank you for your service sir!

@rundaquunda6325 2 месяца назад

@szconcon9677 3 месяца назад

Have one and IT is super awesome. With scope I can easy hit the head size target at 400m. Zero is absolutely amazing. Easy to assembly and disassembly. My AK love IT.

@bones1x285 3 месяца назад

It looks like the mid 2000's when people bubbad their ak's with tapco and other sketchy companies to "modernize" them

@squirreltakular9049 3 месяца назад

Thanks for that awful bit of nostalgia. I do not miss seeing that garbage everywhere.

@bloodking73 3 месяца назад

Now we're stuck with purple dracos with lpvo's

@distalradius8146 2 месяца назад

I remember when I Tapco-F*#%@D my first AK, circa 2004. I was so proud at the time.

@PolishRadom1944 3 месяца назад

Id like to see the drop test repeated with a different optic to confirm the rail issue. That completely eliminates the optic being of issue. I know there are limited options for these weapons but having to re-zero after a 2m drop isnt ideal. thats going to happen fairly frequently in real life situations

@MikeDCWeld 3 месяца назад

Or remove the optic entirely and do the testing with the built-in iron sights.

@geodkyt 3 месяца назад

@@MikeDCWeldI question whether the rough sights built into the mount offer enough discrimination for a good accuracy test. Maybe not even enough to verify the election shift definitively. But re-running the test with something like an Aimpoint M4 or one of the lighter ACOGs - optics that have proven freakishly robust and resistant to zero shifts in significant combat use. The problem is that the extra mass might influence the problem by putting more stress on the rail lockup... but I suspect a lot of Ukrainians with access to optics are disproportionately supplied with older, heavier units rather than the newer, lighter 20mm RDS anyway.

@kineticdeath 3 месяца назад

use another of the same type of optic, same brand and everything. If the first worked perfectly prior to the test, fails after the test but the second works perfectly that would strongly imply the optic was the point of failure right?

@PolishRadom1944 3 месяца назад

@@kineticdeath you could theoretically have the same shift issue with the same optic. By keeping the gun/rail the same you eliminate the optics being a problem with a different type/brand. if we use say an acog ta11 that is much heavier and the shift is worse in the rail we can presume the optic is having a greater impact on the securing mechanism of the rail on the drop test. Or simply put that holosun onto another firearm drop it and see if it also shifts...but that also opens up some other variables.

@gabrielchcosta 3 месяца назад

I think that big drop at 5:50 that made the rifle bounce actually bent the rail ever so slightly, making the sight point slightly upwards which makes it hit low. In fact it was probably the rail that made it bounce like that.

@Roger_Stenning 3 месяца назад

You only checked zero on the mount, not the optic. it IS possible that having been dropped on the optic, the optic lost zero. Remember: Lowest common denominator (lowest part of the rifle when dropped, anyhow). Other than that, nice vid :)

@TheRealRedRooster 3 месяца назад

That's what I though too. And it is a vertical displacement only apparently, so it could be the actual mount of the red dot or something inside the red dot that got "displaced" by being dropped right on the optic as he mentioned in the video...

@Bubba-Fudd-bulletsmith 3 месяца назад

Yeah the optic lost zero

@BenR066 3 месяца назад

And didn't even completely lose zero, just elevation. So, at trench raid distances it's not even that bad.

@sbreheny 3 месяца назад

He could feel new vertical play in the rail itself though. It COULD be that the 2nd test was a bit unfair due to a shift in the optic itself, though.

@AsbestosMuffins 3 месяца назад

hes checking the mount though not the optic

@terryc522 3 месяца назад

Developed specifically for Ukraine. Close enough for government work or minute of enemy

@jagosevatarion4370 3 месяца назад

That was probably an optic related shift to zero. Not all Holosuns are equally robust due to QC variances.

@PurpleUSAWTF 3 месяца назад

Re zero it. Repeat drop test. See if it does it again.

@jseal21 3 месяца назад

$300 red dot + dropped directly on said optic / lost it's zero = no one is surprised

@nekokyun 3 месяца назад

OK, I know everyone is like "Oh its so ugly" or "wow how dumb" but like... yeah, of course, that's WHY ITS AWESOME!!! Horrible grody gross stuff on AKs is what makes them cool and beautiful lil monsters. 10/10.

@notbfg9000 3 месяца назад

You sound like exactly the guy who would tacticool an AK... 😂

@nekokyun 3 месяца назад

@@notbfg9000 I keep one original, for the history books... But oh boy, that poor PSA will never look the same.

@craighansen7594 3 месяца назад

I would bet that since the mount seems to be holding its "new" zero after the shock to the optic, it might stay there. One more session of dropping would have been interesting. My last thought is to drop test the optic on a reliable mount on a different rifle as a control. Whole loss of zero could be the optic.

@docduracoat2260 2 месяца назад

Everyone is missing the point that this is meant to fit on any AK and be used in combat. The change in impact was 2 inches low at 50 yards. So a head shot aimed at eyes will hit the mouth. Well within the “minute of man” needed in combat. You can re zero your optic once you are back at base out of enemy contact

@Skenderbeuismyhero 3 месяца назад

That's not a cheek weld, that's a neck weld.

@IceNinja2007 3 месяца назад

Just like any PSO-1 scope, those things kinda suck in that regard

@tonyd.7088 3 месяца назад

I use my left eye on my AK to get the proper height. Turns out I'm also cross-eye dominant.

@ulflyng 3 месяца назад

@@tonyd.7088 I'm lost for words 😏

@sectero9450 3 месяца назад

@@IceNinja2007 Its high so you still can use irons

@keps_ksk 3 месяца назад

i guess they find the advantages of optics worth it to make that sacrifice

@communistdoggo7419 3 месяца назад

Ak rails and handguards never fail to look absolutely horrendous

@ratagris21 3 месяца назад

It's about functionality not Tacticool looks.

@TheEricj1337 3 месяца назад

The Texas weapon system dog leg gen 3 looks slick on my m70

@randymagnum143 3 месяца назад

@@ratagris21oh. In that case, they're even worse then?

@stavechurch9973 3 месяца назад

Not all but many definitely do. As long as it does it's job

@zal7782 3 месяца назад

East German furniture is hideous. I love it

@ThatDeltaBravo 3 месяца назад

Their website has it for 400 Euros (about 428 USD). That's insane.

@surfinoperator 3 месяца назад

....insane price and definitely not made for modern trench warfare 😮

@CoppaShotta 3 месяца назад

How do you think we get taxed BiLLIons for the War Pigs to grift? $10,000 toilet seats ring a bell? FJB and his treasonous crew

@zal7782 3 месяца назад

For the same price you can just slap on both a tws dog leg and ultimak railed gas tube and have a frankly better setup

@KrikZ32 3 месяца назад

TWS hinged dust cover or one of the more robust sidemount picatinny both seem like better solutions imo

@Glaaki13 3 месяца назад

True, I wonder why that cost? is it greed, knowing that it might sell to governments or is it that costly

@kukusyayakh9674 3 месяца назад

Our platoon actually had those rails issued last year (UAF International Legion). We had them together with KPYK RPK handguards and it worked perfect. Great video as always!

@somersethuscarl2938 3 месяца назад

Always good to hear from the intended end user

@johnanon6938 3 месяца назад

Interesting, do you recall how frequent a drop/bump would change the point of aim? (Also reading many comments about its the sights/holosun loosing zero.) Also when the AK was fired a lot did the heat shift the point of aim?

@kukusyayakh9674 3 месяца назад

@johnanon6938 Never notice any of it and they were abused most of the time. It's chaos whenever contact occurs. You exit the vehicle in A rush bumping everything against everything including the rifle, you hit the ground, switch arms, slam the bolt, overall pretty harsh treatment pretty much all the time. An I had a heavy thermal on it. I personally landed hits on 400m with an accuracy on a free standing target of 3-4 out of 5 rounds fired whenever not in a rush. Weight is practically not existent. Heat as well. The whole thing is basically a gigantic radiator cooling the rifle without getting hot itself due to its large free hanging surfaces. One notable feature is that the rail adjusts for warped barrels: All AKs tend to warp their barrels to 7 o'clock when used as a squad support weapon. Prolonged cover fire heats up the barrel, seems to soften the material and the heavy bolt beats its down to 7 o'clock shot per shot. And it never returns after cooling. Now naturally it bends together with the gas block so the rail basically wanders alongside it. So if you habe a warped barrel the rail will always point into the same direction meaning you do not lose accuracy under any condition. Don't know any other rail doing this. Never tried the milled in backup sights though. So to sum it up: To me that's a great product and does exactly what it's meant to do.

@SeniorRed1337 3 месяца назад

@@kukusyayakh9674thank you for your field feedback and service

@VK-sz4it 3 месяца назад

@kukusyayakh9674 What is your take on deaths ratio on both sides? What is your personal estimation based on? I personally believe (data suggests) that it is on average 3:1 in favour of Russians If you agree, how is it to be on loosing side, since you are international legion? If it gets worse, would you be able to leave Ukraine?

@すどにむ 3 месяца назад

Well, root cause is obvious. Aluminum, fatigue limit, cantilever, you ought to know.

@bealzabubba 3 месяца назад

Couldn't the abuse be considered a breaking in process and that is just the new normal as they seemed to keep the same zero of 3 inch lower for all groups?

@SeniorRed1337 3 месяца назад

its a GERMAN company, and fully designed AND manufactured in germany.

@phileas007 3 месяца назад

well that explains the price

@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 3 месяца назад

Thank God it wasn't Poland.

@Mortalrigger 3 месяца назад

While I understand the potential issue of accidentally dropping a rifle several times from above head height... I'm not sure how often one will encounter that specific issue organically.

@arthurthedented 3 месяца назад

first iteration... sounds like they'll figure something out to fix that problem. Though the immediate question is... what does that six-foot repeated drop on the optic due to OTHER rifles with either after-market or OEM rails? And I suspect while DROP is important, the concussion from nearby detonations (arty crew standing close to their field gun/stored inside a tank/in a trench where a mortar round landed *way* too close for comfort) is going to be the condition that the drop test is supposed to be simulating.

@nigelmoody5274 3 месяца назад

Ian the type of dude when he knows he likes something, he wants to abuse it 😈

@davidm.7099 3 месяца назад

Thank you Ian for being honest and posting the video anyway. You're the best 👍

@vincentmueller3717 3 месяца назад

As a former US Marine, l automatically began calculating how many pushus Ian owes....someone. Set aside 40 minutes for remedial training. Also, cudos to the unkillable camera man for sacrificing his hearing in that first firing sequence. The ECR on the AK-74 muzzle break is legendary.

@markfergerson2145 3 месяца назад

Unless you did something exceptionally dumb and were drummed out you are still a Marine. Anyway, the issue with that rail is how it mounts to the rear sight block. A wedge fit aluminum to steel is *going* to distort the aluminum sooner or later. Even if it’s never dropped, temperature cycling alone will make it deform under the tension of clamping it down.

@vincentmueller3717 3 месяца назад

@@markfergerson2145 Can no longer pass PFT, nor complete MCCRES 25mi/8hr hike, alas.

@mikeblair2594 3 месяца назад

I really hate people who have muzzle brakes on light weight, intermediate calibers. Like 223/556 or 545. With a 223, you are putting stuff on your rifle and you haven't stopped yet and won't until your friends kick your butt over the brake. With 545 we just blame it on the Soviets.

@DB-yj3qc 3 месяца назад

@vincentmueller3717 Damn doesn't it suck getting old, you aren't the only one I knew that referred to themselves that way mainly earlier generations did. My Grandfather was also with service in WW1 then in Army later. A 4th generation (if not more) of service myself but in Army.

@ОлегАндрейченко-л7ъ 3 месяца назад

Got this rail together with their mlok handguard. Precise, light, fit and finish is top notch!

@RatDerPrimaten 3 месяца назад

Agree👍

@KGMIndustrialConsortium-by3be 3 месяца назад

Thank you!

@rundaquunda6325 2 месяца назад

I bought Mine in Ukraine. Awesome thing!

@infin1ty850 3 месяца назад

Honestly, for practical use, it seems like a great product.

@craighansen7594 3 месяца назад

Maybe with a tweak to that sight block clamping arrangement. Since the mount has a built in rear iron sight, why not use the rifles rear sight base holes to mount into.

@RyTrapp0 3 месяца назад

Honestly a pretty clever solution for a more problematic platform like the AK, I can definitely see this having a place. I'd call the drop test a "TBD" maybe, can't fault the rail without ruling out the optic - but I think there's also only so much [sturdiness?] you're going to get out of an AK gas tube mount like this, it isn't exactly the beefiest part of the gun. An imperfect but good product for an imperfect but good gun lol.

@Fishdogfish 3 месяца назад

not perfect but not bad. seems suitable for the purpose intended.

@invertedpolarity6890 3 месяца назад

Equivalent of adding a Formula 1 spoiler to a 2007 Honda Civic.

@alexandrademidenko2908 3 месяца назад

I own one too. Have it on my ZPAP .308 sniper set up. Not a competition shooter but this thing is super accurate with a Vortex LPVO. Height difference is barely there. FAB Defense railed dust covers are likely less than half an inch lower.

@DustyGamma 2 месяца назад

The fact the large shift remained the same makes me wonder if it was at least partially the optic. You really should have marked the adjustments, but eh, 20/20.

@zal7782 3 месяца назад

This was really interesting… until I went to the website and say it was 400 euros. I’ll stick to my Texas weapon system dog leg dust cover

@duaneperkins8329 3 месяца назад

I thank would blame the optic and not the necessarily the rail. Might try that test again with a different optic. I think it might be a cool attachment to try, thank you.

@Suger5zero 3 месяца назад

I love AKs and I love seeing New innovative stuff on the market. But a side rail and a fab defense barrel clamp pickettini rail accomplishes the same thing for a way less weight and with much less height over bore.

@TrickyCarp 3 месяца назад

I have never seen picatinny so precisely misspelled that it could be confused with an Italian dish.

@Isaac-ho8gh 3 месяца назад

Exactly. I don't understand why many American gun owners seem to ignore the Warsaw Pact Mount lol I know some AKs don't have it but many American AK gunsmiths can put them on for you if needed.

@KrikZ32 3 месяца назад

@@Isaac-ho8gh I've never understood it either, it has some real advantages over picatinny too imo, mainly that you can remove and reattach optics without losing zero.

@Isaac-ho8gh 3 месяца назад

@@KrikZ32 pretty much.

@baneofbanes 3 месяца назад

Not every AK has the mount for a side rail.

@recoilrob324 3 месяца назад

Having the sight mounted out on the cantilevered base then being dropped on it.....that mount is going to bend and zero is going to be lost.

@oscarjosefsson9300 3 месяца назад

Seems quite likely. It's a thin design with lightness being a goal as well. Dropping it from two meters onto a surface that doesn't give and having it landing the worst possible way yeah it feels like that would hurt

@BattleChemist 3 месяца назад

Wait... how are we not blaming the budget Holosun optic for the shift in POI? 🤔

@avlawns3037 3 месяца назад

500 eruos? That's another ak and some ammo.

@fabiogalletti8616 3 месяца назад

"twelwe hex-screws" *happy Žiga noises*

@Raspredval1337 3 месяца назад

it lacks the blue isolenta tho, not slav enough 🤷

@jacobstaten2366 2 месяца назад

It kind of reminds me of those old optics mounts for pistols that mount from the bottom and wrap around the slide. It also makes me wonder why nobody else thought of it sooner.

@Doomfreak90 3 месяца назад

I think that the mount got bent just slightly, when it took that direct impact to the top. With it hovering above the receiver cover like that, and nothing for support. It sort of acted like a lever. It was able to bend slightly rearward, which made the reticle point up above zero. I know that everyone else here seems to blame the optic, but…… That’s just my two cents.

@akk-nd3vj 3 месяца назад

good enough for combat i would guess.

@JonesyMcDanes 3 месяца назад

For those thinking its the optic. These T2 clone optics are super tough, please defer to focustripp's many drop tests on them. And just look at the rail, the goose neck portion where the optic is mounted is unsupported. And if it were to get dented downwards, the optic would point upwards, which would make the gun shoot low. Sure enough we see the gun shoot low and can even hear the mount shifting up and down when wiggled.

@jackhandsome1160 3 месяца назад

Still looks weird why don't just copy Zenitco B10 and B33?

@marvindebot3264 3 месяца назад

Gee, I wonder which lost zero, the solid chunk of metal or the opto/electronic sight? Come on man, it will be the sight that lost zero.

@Captain_Bad_Bill 3 месяца назад

Well, it only changes that much? Still more than adequate!

@desperado8605 3 месяца назад

Yeah some of these dudes aren't understanding this is for combat accuracy not prs

@andredulac4456 3 месяца назад

I would even say, better losing vertical zero than horizontal, even if you miss the chest, you should hit... somewhere else very incapacitating 😬

@YouTube.Is.Run.By.Terrorists 2 месяца назад

Nice looking rail, maybe for my next AK. 👍

@n8spL8 3 месяца назад

400 euro, only if im using a mawl that i could afford to drop first.....doh!

@MrStarTraveler 3 месяца назад

If this thing is made out of aluminum there is a good chance you bent it when you dropped it right on the optics.

@gunguide9201 3 месяца назад

Ak sidemount it is the solution...😊

@AdeptusPrimo 3 месяца назад

That was a hell of a drop test LOL. Like how often do you want your rifle to fall onto a hard surface from over head heights inbetween shots 😀Ok, so bottom line: After 6 free falls from 7 feet, I aim between the target's eyes and hit his chin or neck on 100m. Thats actually really good and I still blame the optic for that. Back in the good old days I ran an iraqi Tabuk with an original russian side mount and some fixed 3x russian scope on it. Worked well but after I hit the deck with it during the luckily only encounter I had in my life, the mount just snapped off clean and I had to manage that encounter with my irons. Since than side mounts are no good in my humble opinion. Too much leverage on that small side rail. So its nice to see somebody bringing out something good for that nasty old work horse. And if its light, easily installs, easily removes and even holds zero inbetween and after, I'd call it a 360° win. Would have loved something like this on my AK during the my wild days and am now definitely going to get one for my WASR. Just my 5 cents...

@kukusyayakh9674 3 месяца назад

Agreed

@global.agsecuritycommunication 3 месяца назад

We have the same experience with side mounts. Not sure why they are so popular when even the Russians scrapped them for picatinny. Likely only popular because it's an original weird Russian Cold War design and people like weird stuff on their AKs.

@RatDerPrimaten 3 месяца назад

Was actually not too bad of a drop test. For an AK especially with a rail system that was kind of harsh, sure. I doubt that any other AK accessory would have performed so well retaining the same precision. Those rear sight picatinny inlays would have snapped off, side mounts too. The railed dust covers would have lost zero and fit 100 % I don't care what dust cover it is. FAB VFR AK and Ultimak railed gas tube I guess would have performed about the same. But my point is: for a proper SOPMOD setup like the MK18 with a nice EoTech, this drop test isn't even a test. That one you can drop from a three story building and it will likely still hold zero.

@alanfender123 3 месяца назад

isn't that rail is going to get hot very quickly if it's clamped to the gas tube?

@ok9nja741 3 месяца назад

I wonder how well it holds zero after the gas tube heats up. Other than that, it's still a great thing to give the Ukrainians for their more outdated AKs, pretty much any optic is better than no optic especially when you don't lose the iron sights by installing it.

@AggieLS1 3 месяца назад

They could probably fix that with a tensioning screw at the back, that contacts the dust cover. Though you would probably risk denting the dust cover if dropped on a hard enough surface.

@MandoWookie 3 месяца назад

Better yet, use the ultimak method & have it replace the gas tube & clamp to the barrel.

@hopewilliams6705 3 месяца назад

@@MandoWookie I was thinking something similar!!!

@prdubi 3 месяца назад

I'm sold. Thanks for doing the video. I believe more and more that your optic lost zero.

@ironwolfF1 3 месяца назад

TBF, a significant impact to most optics is bound to alter the sight's zero, especially something like a red dot. That being said, it is a cleverly made alternative to traditional AK optical mounting systems...though a tad pricey.

@RonSpacey 3 месяца назад

The manufacturer actually has a very comprehensive 5 min demonstration video on the whole system for modernizing AKs, RPKs and Mosin platforms. So this rail really is just a piece of a larger system whose components can be set up individually or in combination. Sick! Purchasing rail + M-LOK handguard. Will post a video review soon too. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-X9ba0iXrsj8.htmlsi=HY42ije9nebW8-Wf

@RatDerPrimaten 3 месяца назад

Saw that too. That 40mm shotshell for grenade launchers is just gross😂

@kukusyayakh9674 3 месяца назад

@RatDerPrimaten the 40 mil buck shot got very popular in Ukraine. It's almost certain to take down any drone within ~150 yards with the first shot. And that at laughable cost. Recoil is a major downside though. Kicks like a PTRS

@KGMIndustrialConsortium-by3be 3 месяца назад

@@kukusyayakh9674 the M-24 'BOLTER'. Yes, that is a product we are especially proud of!❤

@AdamKorz-ku7fz 3 месяца назад

Oh aluminum handguatf. I remember ky Sam7R, that midwest rail cooked ky hand. It was like alien hot. Hey let's put the piston right above the trigger!! I love my laugo but I'm thankful I got it cheaper, because no one wants the burn cream/gun grease jk. Seriously though any metal on an ak front it gunna get hot as hell.

@DtoThaGzay 3 месяца назад

Purchased one right away 🚀This thing cooler than my freshly divorced uncle 😭 gives my ol AK a second life

@global.agsecuritycommunication 3 месяца назад

😂

@alexandermarinin7036 3 месяца назад

Ukrainian made side mount + picatiny adapter by KPYK (reads "crook", means "raven" in ukrainian) costs ~$100, so I hardly believe this thing would be popular here...

@DevinMoorhead 3 месяца назад

Fricking early gang trying to hold zero

@lairdsteele2817 3 месяца назад

Have you ever considered employment

@DevinMoorhead 3 месяца назад

@@lairdsteele2817 sometimes

@TheWilferch 3 месяца назад

Suggestion.....maybe we need a more solid front mount....notice that at the rear you show wear marks where the solid "legs" of the mount straddled the rear sight base.....hmmm.....maybe instead of depending on the level of gas tube fitting tightness up front....maybe HERE you ALSO need some solid straddling type legs....but have them be located a bit further forward to contact the gas-block into which the gas tube engages ????? The unit would still be taken down as before, and disassembly woud not be affected. Send royalty checks to my address [ haha.... :) ... ]

@bozaiwarrior 3 месяца назад

those screws you'd have to stake in place. red lock tight will come loss over time in hot environments and blue wont even try. Green just makes it permanent

@bosef1 3 месяца назад

You mentioned the rail is made from 7075 aluminum alloy. I understand certain types of 7075 alloy are susceptible to stress corrosion cracking. Do you know if the specific alloy used is so susceptible? At my office, we have been switching, where possible, to 7050 alloy to help minimize this risk.

@TheRogueWolf 3 месяца назад

While it's great that the rail rises up high enough to field-strip the rifle, I also wonder if that was the issue behind losing zero. Did it bend on impact?

@lukef7304 3 месяца назад

The never ending search for good AK optics solutions... getting better it seems.

@nikolajkramer3912 3 месяца назад

Hmm, as I trained with my G3 some 24 years ago. I remember that we conscipts, learned that our rifle loose zero, then dropped... How is this different? Its still a upgrade...

@knightofastora1324 3 месяца назад

Way overpriced for what it is lol. This should be less than $200 but they're trying to charge double that for what ultimately looks and performs like a Chinese rail off of Amazon

@BenLJudy 3 месяца назад

The use of AK gas tubes for red dots is nothing new. I know Brandon Herrera has some videos with that. With the rear sight block to steady it, I could see this actually working quite well, but it definitely seems early in development.

@nehocdrofsnop 3 месяца назад

RS Regulate or Midwest Industries side mounts are plenty good enough. Hell, you could even go mastermount. Both companies also make accessory rails that clamp to the barrel. These clamps on chassis are just way too delicate and gimmicky in my opinion.

@klan80 3 месяца назад

well, if you drop any gun few times from 2m to solid ground you should expect some sight move. Bdw, it interferes with yugoslav M70 tromblone gas shut off leaver.

@robertcolbourne386 3 месяца назад

Yes accidents do happen but who in their right mind throws an AK74 to the ground ! Try doing that to a M4 set up for battle in Afghanistan and I will tell you it will lose zero as well. You didn't just drop it ,you threw it at the ground!

@WolfoftheWoodsTactical 3 месяца назад

Sell it to airsofters ! Seriously i would as airsoft AEG, GBBR aren't tack drivers and as an airsofter we love anything that makes our gear look gucci

@Starless85 3 месяца назад

The amount of money Ak guys will spend to avoid just buying a fucking AR is incredible. Also, does it have glock style irons on it?

@Secopsco 3 месяца назад

Imagine having to add another half of a gun to your gun to start to add optics…

@HappyFoxtrot 3 месяца назад

It seems it indeed has irons on it, so you can use it with AK front post. IMHO that thing would be useless peace of metal if it removed your ability to use irons...

@kineticdeath 3 месяца назад

theres tens of millions of reliable AK's around the world. why would they bin them and go buy US guns if theres any chance they can build some little bit of metal that can stick to the side/top/bottom of their millions of AK's and bump them into the 21st century? Its not like the AR-15 is some super modern 21st century design, anyway.

@nerored6235 2 месяца назад

While it's possible the drop effected the optic, it's worth considering that point of the rail is unsupported underneath. With it being aluminum, impact on that unsupported section could have caused some minor bowing in the mount. That would also cause the optic to sight high, resulting in a zeroed in rounds appearing to hit low. Fractions of a millimeter on the rail can result in inches downrange. To test it, just take a straight edge down the length of the upper section, if it doesn't maintain contact along it's length then that's likely the problem.

@badwolf7367 3 месяца назад

There is no logic to KGM's claim that re-seating the rail would reset the zero. That is just a load of BS. If a tire on your car goes out of balance, taking the tire off the car and replacing it will not re-balance the tire.

@chrisc5275 3 месяца назад

Did I miss something? At the start of the removal sequence I believe Ian undid a screw before releasing the clamp lock on the rail. At no point in the reassembly did I see him retighten it after reclamping. Was it edited or am I mistaken?

@DawidKov 3 месяца назад

As a backwards compatible solution, it's still pretty good. But it's still using the gas tube, which itself was never meant to be firmly seated, as one of its points of contact. The piston is still bouncing around inside that tube each shot. The heat is still going to be expanding the tube a little bit. The lock on the rear sight block is still subject to shifts, since it's holding purely on tension. I'd say the nicest part about it is the ability to still be able to remove the BCG without bothering with the rail. That ease of disassembly on of AK's biggest strengths, and something many accessory manufacturers forget. But for most cleaning, you'd still be taking the rail off, because you need to clean the gas tube and the upper end of the gas block, they get the most soot buildup in them.

@charliev73 3 месяца назад

The ak really is a beautiful rifle, great product, very impressive, and I'll still have a beautiful rifle under that ugly duckling.

@shovelchop81bikeralex52 2 месяца назад

Did you try loosening then retightening the red dot after? Those can be knocked out of alignment too, tolerances between different rail manufacturers and red dot clamps can vary enough for that to happen, it shouldn't but it does.

@colinfinnell2673 3 месяца назад

To be fair this is a system made from war time what needs to be quickly produced and put on as many gums as possible. That shift in zero is kind of irrelevant, Is it still good enough to hit target, if yes then good.

@youtubkk 3 месяца назад

Lol. Hits optics, omg no more zero... lol.

@dilloncodianne6732 3 месяца назад

Yeah & if he didn't have a dogshit mount it would've held zero 😂 y'all out yourselfs so easily as people who don't run your guns at fucking all.

@Johnwick-jo8uo 2 месяца назад

Halo reach dmr looking attachment

@donwyoming1936 3 месяца назад

The AK will never be tactical. It's a WW2 design with horrendous ergonomics. I never understood the desire to slap rails all over it.

@charliev73 3 месяца назад

Should have finished the video before commenting, still probably going to look into getting one, still impressive.

@ulflyng 3 месяца назад

If you push the clamp down, you still move the POI down. Not up (Edit 7:24)

@Chainsawwed 3 месяца назад

The Lord put a side rail on my Jack and Romak 2 and by gawd I'm gonna use those for free instead lmao

@justjeff1506 3 месяца назад

I’d take a close look at the interface between the rail and the sight block. It could have spread or otherwise deformed, allowing the rail to seat deeper.

@Raspredval1337 3 месяца назад

I think there's a way for this to hold elevation... if u're brave enough to drill a hole through the iron sight block. 🤔

@mrivantchernegovski3869 3 месяца назад

Better solution than these people who put sensitive electronics on the gas tube mount of a AK ,fact electronics and batteries degrade under high temps

@Holret 3 месяца назад

now compare it to the FAB defense Top cover rail and the Texas Instruments one as well.

@RVR121 3 месяца назад

Aiming for the head but it shoots low and takes the russians nuts off i mean that is still gonna take the guy out. Could be worse.

@chicorodriguez3964 3 месяца назад

That looks sooo "century" the mount and the AK

@sethperry1323 3 месяца назад

It looks like after the drop it keeps hitting the same spot? Maybe its seated now an b4 u zeroed it wasn't? Try re-zeroing now... an if it happens again then it is what it is...