Al Snow on Dave Meltzer's Star Ratings

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Vince Russo plays Al Snow a Dave Meltzer clip where he proclaims that if he ever gives a match 7 stars again, it will be a wonderful thing for pro wrestling. What does Al think about all of this? Clip from Lions, Tigers, Bears & Head (Feb. 3, 2023) on Vince Russo's The Brand at ChannelAttitude...
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@sharronpeters7753 Год назад

Al is so close... but still not getting it. Russo is just a dingbat. I am not the biggest Meltzer guy, but it's simple...he found an example of a data point outside of his scale and extended his scale to try to measure it... happens all the time in science...get over it lol. He did it to highlight how amazing a couple matches were, and I hear it as "these are in a new category of quality". Also, it is a false dichotomy to think people cannot get star ratings and make lots of money. Don't make yourself sound stupid to try to figure out a way to make something purely opinionated wrong lol. Meltzer is a silly wrasslin reviewer... there aren't laws or even rules on how to do a nonsensical job in the first place.

@gypsymorning8558 Год назад

Al wasn’t a scientific wrestler.

@REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K Год назад

😂

@sharronpeters7753 Год назад

@@gypsymorning8558 lol. I like Al, and he got super over back in the day... I just don't think they know the statistical significance of this. I would love to chit-chat with them about how this is a good thing.

@thehmc Год назад

Ah yes the statistical significance of a make believe rating. Maybe next science can run some statistical analysis on the speed of wishes. This is hilarious cope for a dopey rating that means nothing. This comment is rated 2 out of 1000 stars.

@seanpaul93 Год назад

Great bit

@craigugulini3409 Год назад

Meltzer is the biggest mark to ever walk the earth

@brainhakker7133 Год назад

And Eric Bischoff is Number 2 with a Flush !!

@DannyBZ9 Год назад

No Tony Khan is

@mars___sumner Год назад

Whenever someone tries to use Meltzer as a measuring stick for the quality of pro wrestling I think back to Scott Steiner’s MEM promo where he said something like “you go back to the locker room, play with your joystick and check to see if you got a 4 star match a 5 star match. What do care what some geek says? Ask us, and we’ll tell you that you suck.”

@BigPoppaPun Год назад

I've been watching wrestling since 1991 and didn't even hear Meltzer's name until 2015.

@lancethefilmguy9392 10 месяцев назад

I didn't hear of him until the 2010s and I have been watching since 96

@springer90 Год назад

Al Snow vs The Head in 1999 was definitely a 7 star match!🤣

@danielburger1775 Год назад

It had great ropework

@lancethefilmguy9392 10 месяцев назад

If it was in the Tokyo Dome it would have been 9 stars 😅

@jeepernj99 Год назад

Dave is so out of touch with reality when it comes to professional wrestling. He hurts the business more than he helps it.

@willglenn-bl9gm Год назад

He really does, he starts shit amongst the boys with his gossip and fuckery

@albalog2449 Год назад

It's weird, because in the 1990s Meltzer had a decent taste in All Japan (AJPW) wrestling, where it was all big strong guys & a show much like Vince McMahon Sr.'s "WWF on MSG Network" era. But ever since the 2000s, Meltzer has gone to liking skinnyfat flippy guys with no character. It really baffles me how Meltzer used to frequently give Vader, Stan Hansen, Dr. Death, etc. five star matches but now he give those same ratings to geeky wresters. He went from a Japanese casual fan to a Japanese smark.

@mauisean007 Год назад

Dave Meltzer didn’t ruin wrestling. The idiots that consider his ratings as the official scale ruined wrestling.

@prestone.garrison4430 Год назад

"I can't see another 7 star match happening... (but if it does, Omega will be involved, and it will be in Japan.") 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟

@chadfatson6002 Год назад

We’re taking about the guy who gave HBK vs Undertaker at mania 25 a 4.75 star rating, as soon as he said that people should have realized the guy is nothing more than a hardcore fan boy

@sharronpeters7753 Год назад

He might have been there in person Like I was. The match was great, but far from perfect IMO. Are we talking about the first or second one?

@lancethefilmguy9392 10 месяцев назад

@@sharronpeters7753WM 25

@arostwocents 2 месяца назад

Story and heat should be able to score high. I've not seen that one but Flair v Taker is 4*, Rock v Hogan 5* for me. They had so much more than flippy a million kick out nonsense today

@TaelerHendrix Год назад

This! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@brainhakker7133 Год назад

Good Shit Pal !

@datacipher Год назад

Poor steamboat and flare, a measly six stars. They don’t rate anymore.

@AnsonBeeker 5 месяцев назад

Vince has got himself a nice little channel. He's doing good.

@Saltoftheearth008 Год назад

I always thought it was stupid to rate a match that everyone knows it’s obviously fake. It even looks more fake than it did 20 years ago when people were doing specials exposing it as pre determined. To me wrestling having a good story sells the match and then if the match has interest that makes it good. Just speaking as a fan my entire life. A good example is the bloodline storyline. It’s been excellent. I’m really getting tired of long spot fest matches in AEW. It’s turning me away.

@Adam-cr8qe Год назад

If im val venis, and I have a 1 minute match with gillberg in front of millions, and I get a big paycheck and lots of fame... im taking that over getting a 7 star meltzer review for some ring of honor dark match where I got not much other than hurt and over exposed. The modern idea of wrestling is so incredibly dumb, it actually hurts peoples careers and their bodies. Some of the comments from the meltzer fans on here are quote remarkable. Let me put it simply, Meltzer is making all the money, the wrestlers are not. The Rock, Austin, Hogan, made an immense amount of money, why? Because they know 20 minute long wrestling matches every week and star ratings doesnt pay them. Viewership does, and real viewership is not wrestling fans, its a mainstream audience. Its a career to these people, and they are losing money doing 40 spots each match and not selling the audience a story

@sharronpeters7753 Месяц назад

I agree, but I would rather be Undertaker HBK and get both.

@12mrshaw Год назад

My biggest annoyance in wrestling is Meltzer being acknowledged. He contributes jack fuck all of shit.

@jesterr7133 Год назад

You really should have your guy find out how many times he has given a five-star rating to the Bucks

@jesterr7133 Год назад

I call the seven star rating the Young Bucks rating. Dave gives every Young Bucks match five stars, so he had to find a way to differentiate the matches he really liked from their regular matches

@Kingofthekop1 Год назад

What does everybody want?

@TJMW2022 Год назад

I give the TLC match at WM17 a 10 star. How about those apples 😂

@TheGreenGaze 5 месяцев назад

is al ok, he looked like he was about to faint lol

@kdizzle901 5 месяцев назад

That 7 star match is the Kenny Omega match against the Japanese wrestler right? I’ve seen better matches in WCW

@phillysfinest215 Год назад

Vince you're a very handsomee man

@sharronpeters7753 Год назад

I think wrasslin fans/people who made careers in wrasslin...fighting with other fans/people who made careers in wrasslin...largely over how many stars were awarded to a match... is pretty sad, and also not good for the business. I think wrestling has so many companies, facets, and styles of wrasslin... things are flourishing pretty well if you take off your declinism-colored glasses lol. Google declinism, then WWE financials, Royal Rumble, and then the number of profitable wrestling companies in the world doing similar lol. Enjoy your flavor and spend less time trying to yuck other people's yums. It shows how unhappy you are deep down.

@lancethefilmguy9392 10 месяцев назад

Since Vince McMahon left and WWE is now under Triple H, it has become better

@rockbottom8046 Год назад

Dave meltzer ruined wrestling

@craigugulini3409 Год назад

Anything in the Tokyo dome is 5 stars

@emperorburton Год назад

The Rock vs Hulk Hogan got three stars.. and Kurt fucking Angle never had a five star match.

@soulindenial5001 4 месяца назад

Im surprised Kurt never got a 5 star, vs Michaels, Taker, Brock, even his run in TNA is noteworthy

@arostwocents 2 месяца назад

Rock v Hogan was only 3 stars 😂😂😂😂 the match you would show someone to show them how great pro wrestling is was only 3 stars 😂

@Am0ment0fB Год назад

There's an extra star awarded now for Ropework. Ha.

@seanpaul93 Год назад

love al's reaction, as it should be

@datacipher Год назад

Yep, even in the preview, I was laughing. As soon as moron said Seven stars it broke Al’s brain.

@mickeyd8768 Год назад

Dave: "Seven Stars" Al: *facepalm*

@kevnsport Год назад

This comment is a 2 1/4 star rating.

@kidneystonermusic Год назад

Dude, ridiculous. I know a 2 1/2 star comment when I see one.

@kevnsport Год назад

@@kidneystonermusic This reply has been approved by Dave Meltzer.

@frod79 4 месяца назад

You might as well consider it 3 stars!

@jlstarr1984 Год назад

I'm 39, and have loved wrestling since 1987. I never heard of Meltzer until I bought my first smart phone and got on the internet. When I first heard the phrase Dirt Sheets, I thought people were talking about the Apter mags.

@tommymacartney Год назад

The levels of narcissism in Meltzers comment is wild.

@heezyhines2209 Год назад

I have no idea how anyone has allowed Meltzer to gain this much influence, authority, or whatever it is he has .. But it's extremely bizarre fam

@thehmc Год назад

The internet is full of stupid people and normalizing censorship has allowed them to create hugboxes. Then some doofs high up in the business decided that companies needed to pander to these dopey hugboxes.

@heezyhines2209 Год назад

@@thehmc I hear u ..

@drflexenstein3537 Год назад

Very bizarre fam. But I guess wrestling fandom is also bizarre.

@twk8520 Год назад

Al is a dying breed where psychology was everything. For this generation of wrestlers to think they are so much better is a trap. They can do so much in the ring the problem is many don't know why or when to do it. It's like watching a bad big budget movie that looks cool sounds cool but the story gets lost if there was one at all it lacks soul. Al was also was taught humility and respect he knew he wasn't the big draw but a very capable hand who knew what he was doing. Today it's all about ego many had it in the past as well. Difference of it Today is they have the ego but the sensitivity of a five year old. It can't go together well because it comes off as not real. Modern wrestling in a nutshell.

@arostwocents 2 месяца назад

Al knows it was about character too. Look at how he developed in ECW character wise and became completely loved as a result. Had he just stayed generic noone would remember him. These modern guys think their flips are more important than character. They're not. TNA always had good openers but there were few X division guys you liked or remember and the ones you do are the ones who had character not just floppy flips.

@awilliams1084 Год назад

Lmao five stars don’t draw no money. This ain’t 1985, people wanna see a “great match” they can watch ufc or a boxing title fight and get a “great match” that’s actually real and has legit heat behind it lol the marks don’t get that, they think we have to watch fake wrestling or the world will stop.

@jesterr7133 Год назад

Growing up as a young wrestling fan, I took Uncle Dave seriously and had a real interest in what he said about a particular match. I thought he knew something that I didn't. Since he partnered up with the Young Bucks and Omega, he has become a complete joke. His ratings are so biased that they are impossible to take seriously, especially when any of those guys are involved. It's clear that they have either worked them or they're paying him.

@albalog2449 Год назад

Agreed and that's a similar experience to me. It's weird, because in the 1990s Meltzer had a decent taste in All Japan (AJPW) wrestling, where it was all big strong guys & a show much like Vince McMahon Sr.'s "WWF on MSG Network" era. But ever since the 2000s, Meltzer has gone to liking skinnyfat flippy guys with no character, and be heavily biased to New Japan (NJPW) and ROH, which are very different styles. AJPW still had great matches into the early/mid 2000s. Like when Jamal (pre-WWE Umaga) was cleaning house and feuding in AJPW with Kawada and Muto, Meltzer didn't give any of his work five stars, when Umaga in Japan was no different than say a Vader match from the 1990s. Yet at that time, Meltzer started giving CM Punk, AJ styles, Samoa Joe, etc. five star matches and started becoming a smark. It really baffles me how Meltzer used to frequently give Vader, Stan Hansen, Dr. Death, etc. five star matches but now he give those same ratings to geeky wresters. He went from a Japanese casual fan to a Japanese smark.

@lancethefilmguy9392 10 месяцев назад

@@albalog2449He went from being the Roger Ebert of wrestling to the Rotten Tomatoes of wrestling.

@paranoidewok6772 Год назад

Russo: "I'm no meth-matician" That would explain alot.

@Apocalypse3434 6 месяцев назад

When I read that Kurt Angle never got a 5 star match...

@REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K Год назад

LOL!!!

@arostwocents 2 месяца назад

Meltzer has turned a mainstream entertainment to a tiny niche pursuit. Its tragic that TNA follow the Meltzer philosophy despite having the guys for a proper main event and having a history of a successful formula (Nitro style, story and character based, a long match was special, not constant - normal people dont want multiple 20 min matches constantly. A long term feud blowoff on Impact could be 20 mins, great. A lower card match with no story and no build should be maximum 5 mins)

@arostwocents 2 месяца назад

Only indies and RoH should have ever paid any attention to Meltzer. TNA's old style mixture of styles was perfect and actually drew an audience of people who weren't the hardcore obsessed niche)

@theecharmingbilly Год назад

It's not even his system. 🤣🤷‍♂️

@alenton81 Год назад

Solid hand is Jeff Lane.

@celebrategout1008 Год назад

rope work

@MrCopperpott Год назад

Never get bored with listening to Al torch Meltzer & Khan lol

@jonmitchell9019 Год назад

Forget 7 Im going for a 7.5 now LOL!

@billy9497able Год назад

Some of his five star matches are deserving, some, but when you consider the fact that Kurt angle doesn’t have one five star match then that’s just crazy.

@lancethefilmguy9392 10 месяцев назад

Kurt Angle vs. HBK at WM 21 Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker at No Way Out 2006 are worthy of 5 stars

@sharronpeters7753 Месяц назад

I agree, but that is just my opinion. If someone doesn't particularly like Asian food, no dish is likely to be highly reviewed. We are talking about one human being's sensory system and their emotional enjoyment of art. There is no wrong.

@jesterr7133 Год назад

Lol. The Young Bucks have had more five-star matches in the last year than Ric Flair Ricky Steamboat had in their career. Hell, they even have more than Bret Hart

@thesegafan4472 Год назад

Yeah and it drove away 200,000- 300,000 viewers

@mikawhofan Год назад

Well when you name a maneuver after him automatically 5 stars

@AmanKumar-ct3eb Месяц назад

I think that's somebody opinion to Look upto a match Quality.But I can't relate with the meltzer facts and his star ratings that kurt angle doesn't have any 5-star match.I mean come on,dude did he ever watch kurt angle vs the Undertaker at No Way Out 2006 which was way better than the triple threat match at mania 22.I think that's an opinion that we shouldn't take seriously and enjoy the wrestling bcoz it's all about the moments.

@arostwocents 2 месяца назад

If the quality was actually so great then people watching would go back to see the guys again. If they dont, they found it boring and stupid. A million kick outs, no selling, all tiny floppy guys. No actual main eventers anymore. No stories, no characters.

@jamesgroover4643 Год назад

Dave broke the system!!! Be free Dave. You think it's worth 67 stars, so be it 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

@ericfrost7517 Год назад

Pointless rating system. A person that has never actually participated on a high level in a particular sport should not be taken seriously….I.e. Meltzer.

@guybroyles48 Год назад

Using the word "literally" out of context is one of my pet peeves. Al Snow said Meltzer literally had sex with a dog.

@donnakleinschrodt3744 8 месяцев назад

I see two 5 stars undertaker and Shawn and I would say the rock and stone cold broth of these cards were great.

@cnotes1790 Год назад

Brock Lesnar Vs Kofi Kingston was an 8 Star match

@sfiv4527 4 месяца назад

Jeff Lane = Salacious B. Crumb

@bingeandgrab Месяц назад

someone needs to do a doc on how meltzer came to power.

@Unclejack328 11 месяцев назад

“20 minute train ride”.

@jeffery44 Год назад

Too funny Boss Man

@papoblu99 11 месяцев назад

👏😂👏🤣👏

@eranben-shlomo9856 Год назад

The question is are the two wrestlers Al Snow speaks about are from the 🇺🇸 or 🇯🇵. If they are from the later they can do know harm and the rating is 👍 as we learned from AEW, where 🇯🇵 must always win.

@Adam-cr8qe Год назад

I didnt watch the 7 star match, which means there wasnt a buzz around it, which means the casual viewer doesnt care. Which ultimately makes it a 1 star