Alan Turing's grades 

why didnt he just go to jail, chemical castration is so much worse

Putin: 90% of job in WW2 was done by Soviet Union.

😂

@@drabnail777 Maybe he liked his freedom and underestimated the effects of chemical castration.

@@Delectatio that cuz he putin

That's right. Becomming a "genius" (creative!) is not a deterministic process. Otherwise we could forcibly educate everybody to become a genius. What at best you can do is to provide an *environment* that supports their self-evolution, yet mostly the environment will be their enemy. So the classic schoolwork, unfortunately, is flowing against most genious minds. On the other hand, being tidy and careful is a must have skill for any one to have a sucessful, dependable career... So...... ?

no I disagree. I think he had potential that wasn't fully realized until he reached his sixth form years. Without the strict discipline and rigid curriculum of his boarding school I doubt he would have made it to Cambridge and gone on to be great. He would have ended up as another failed kid with potential of which there are many in the world.

@@runneypo Well we don't know, unfortunately I do know that a lot of very bright kids fail primary school overhere because they can't form themselves into sitting still and doing the exact things the teacher wants them to do. Seems simple, but some of these kids get real trauma's before dropping out. It's pretty sad as a lot of these could've become very interesting people, just like Turing or whoever. They are such a minority though that there is no school or will to take care of these kids. You're mentioning "failed kids" this is exactly why, you're seeing the symptom, the result of that strict system.

Can't agree more....

genius here and i approve of this comment

Lmaoooo

hahaha

LMOA

well, he technically didn't do it, he invented a computer / AI to do it. still a genius though, specially in a time where computers were something people considered to be science fiction

He cracked the enigma code, don’t have to know german to do that

Are you a great mathematician?😅

We used to get concise but fairly detailed feedback on our school reports, but that was back in the 1970s/80s. I don't know if that's the norm today.

@@ftumschk I don't think anyone is allowed to "fail" today ... until they finish school and discover that the real world is an unforgiving master / mistress.

@@vk2ig everyone is allowed to fail, your school wasn’t harder than ours because you want it to be

@@momentoernest9141 You have chosen to misinterpret my comment. For that, you get a Fail grade ... "Must try harder next time!" You do get part marks, though: school wasn't any harder, but students were told in no uncertain terms whether they were passing or not. I and my friends from that time can speak from experience on that matter, as individually we all failed something at some time. I have also seen what happens in the current school system: giving someone a "fail" grade is seen as being detrimental to the student's sense of self-worth and their mental health - even if though they cannot do the work. As a result of this policy, there is a disparity in the level of work required to achieve the same grade: for example, the kid in the advanced class has to generate a four page answer to get an "A", while the kid in the learning assistance class only has to produce a one page answer to get the same grade. It's quite a task trying to re-assure the kid in the advanced class to keep up their standard of work in the face of this - I know, as I have had to do that re-assuring. But the chickens all came home to roost in senior highschool, where the grading is more like that in real life - the people who had never been allowed to fail suddenly experienced a new sensation: failure.

he was wirdo.. not because he is gay but weird due to just how strangely british society at the time...

I feel he should be said to be the pioneer of modern computers and his achievements should be taught In schools. But we are taught how to make excel spreadsheets and word documents even in high school

And he was forced to take a ton of hormones by his own people- basically driving him mentally over the edge and killing him. Why? Because he liked men.

@@b0nz1official What's even worse is the half-assed apology that came 6 decades later...

Yeah it's like UK Government wanted to erase his existence because they wanted to hide the fact that they treated a pioneer badly because he was gay

@@purplebubblegum4055 His nephew has written a book about him which essentially attempts to discredit him. He also goes on speaking tours to further his.campaign against Turing's reputation.

I discovered that many years ago - especially when learning English literature. The path to high achievement came not through analysing a work, forming your own idea, and expressing that on the exam paper; but instead listening to the teacher's view of the work, and parroting that on the exam paper. It was my first ever example of "work smarter, not harder".

School is all about money and business

pleasing your teacher and passing.

And guess what, work life is pretty similar, but now you have to please a boss

@Hellmark Channel that is false, many scientists made discoveries during their education

What's infallible?

@@SuperBhavanishankar Unable to make a mistake

@@DezinGTD ooh thank you

What's infallible? "Unable-to-make-a-mistake", yes but this is a part within the wider set where a better answer to the Question "what's infallible?" is "unable-to-fail".

@rain Alaska no😡😏

Makes you wonder what else he could've achievement in 40 more years

true genius

Grades Don't matter. Don't lower your self esteem.

Just Some Guy without a Mustache ever considered your handwriting as your problem?

I Never expected to see you here

@@adityanagpure7711 whom ?

My teachers were a pretty mixed bunch, probably the case with a lot of people.

Just like medical students are.

SAT is 1% of JEE and NEET

@@SpecialSalads Wait, I just sing what you said to Pink Floyd beats.

@@rudrayanraha6709 who asked? We don’t even know 1% of India’s past glory

I wonder how those fools would feel if they knew now how they are remembered - not as great guardians of civility and decency, but as short-sighted fools.

As I recall, the UK government at the time could not risk him giving away secrets.

That's just one amongst a myriad of reasons why Churchill should be despised, not celebrated. He was a key figure in the oppression of Ghandi, in the Bengal Famine, and all sort of other colonial atrocities. He advocated concentration camps and sterilisation in the UK for men like Turing. It is tragic that such a monster happened to stumble into the reputation of a hero just because fate put him against an even greater evil. But that does not make him worthy of celebration.

that's how it always will be sadly. Because the skill set to rule on top of others is not the same skills set that brilliant scientists or domain experts usually holds.

@Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 Not to mention that most universities (the staff & students) are also eminently liberal. It seems that the smarter people are, the less conservative they are.

konrad zuse, von neumann, Shannon, Frank Rosenblatt and Norbert Wiener are very good options for videos on this era

@@janpahl6015 Shannons idol was Edison and later he found out they were related

If university checked out this channel, they could gain some historical insight from these iconic engineers and scientists, which is crucial to understanding more of our respective STEM fields.

@@forloop7713 mind blown. Must have been a real trip lol

Is that what he said? 😱

@@scarlettdracoblack4454 I'm not sure, but whoever said it had a justified fear

Any computer capable of passing a Turing test, knows enough to fail it

@@sanelemaziya2498 no

Quite.

basically, sometimes unexpected people do unexpected things.

He never actually said that.

100 percent agree!

Is ASMR what you are experiencing perhaps?

Tuched by an angel or something.

@Σאgßと New Zealander, in fact.

nice

He’s also just so inspiring since he was both a top scientist and a top sportsperson!

Along with being a kind person!!

That's a lovely story.

Wow.

giey.

@norman simpson It is.

That was more of a highschool. Not university

@@someoneuppingdudetechnical6320 Still, when I recently graduated all I got was an automated message on my report card that everyone got: "We wish you luck with your future endeavors." And there were only 55 people graduating...

That's what I was thinking. I think there is a very positive aspect to those evaluations, even if they did not pick up on his "genius."

@@whyisgamora4191 Ha! We got the degree of the person sitting on our left. OK, we got a tube with a short "IOU" in it saying that we'd get the certificate later. This was because they somehow managed to get the degrees and names offset when printing the certificates...

Yeah

I don't agree, first was polish mathematics - Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki i Henryk Zygalski.

Yes

@@adamoksiuta4715 do you even read properly? OP asked if Alan Turing was the person who cracked enigma during WW2. There is no mention of who cracked "first".

@@am.Shub2770 OK, he cracked it during WW2, but you have to remember that he wasn't first.

Lambda Calculus is not what I would call putting a neat and tidy solution on paper !

@@coot33 Well, that's what Chruch did, not Turing... Turing just proofed that his Turing machine and the Lambda Calculus are equally powerful ;D

@@coot33 I always thought there was a mathematical elegance to lambda calculus that Turing machines lacked, Turing machines may make more intuitive sense to non mathematicians, but it's easier to be mathematically rigorous with lambda calculus. I think the preference for Turing machines comes down to how the subject is taught, principally allowing computer scientists to have undue influence on the discipline.

​@@costakeith9048 It's because computer scientists hide all the Haskell and scheme programmer ! I prefer Turing machine to lambda calculus. They are just more understandable to me than "lambda.x.y".

@@coot33 turing machine also makes more sense with von neumann architecture of computers compared to lambda calculus. maybe if we had a different prevalent computer architecture more analogous to a brain, lambda calculus would have been better recieved

Nice work Toby

Well, "presenting" is much more about how other people's minds work and much less about how capable you are on the topic =)

If you read his paper "On Computable Numbers" he had habit of introducing mistakes in the Turing Machines. And indeed some of the wiring designs for the early computers he built in the lat 40's were notoriously messy. He was I suspect a person who was not organised or neat in a conventional way, and he may have improved but you suspect it never really came naturally to him. Ultimately he made up for it with the ability to creatively solve problems in a way that eluded his contemporaries. And also, by the time he got to Cambridge he was surrounded by men of his measure and ability and not the kind of pettifogging mediocrities that normally teach at secondary school level.

@@aromview "Toby"?

@@peterm2152 Toby is Tibees' real name.

Interesting suggestion. I do wonder if I would be better at programming by now if I had tried to learn it 'backwards' as I do now.

it wont change history tho..

@@user-sc3oh1bw4z but we can change future

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Haha basically 😂

Many people find it difficult to emphasise with another's viewpoint. For a current example, just look at the divisions among ordinary people along political lines in the USA nowadays, or the divisions among ordinary people anywhere in the western world on the subject of climate change. One thing has become abundantly clear since the rise of the Internet - people need to be careful of what they say and do nowadays, because the world is becoming a global village, and that has consequences. In earlier times, if someone caused problems in their village then everyone knew about them and looked down on them. Nowadays, the same is happening in the global village - and people are being judged by what they did 50 years ago. In 10 or 20 years time, people will be judged by what they say on-line today.

Many people do indeed seem to have difficulty adopting anything outside of a tribal / antagonistic viewpoint. Such behaviors are encoded in us, after all.

I think that this is the effect of the nature of humans and the nature of the world, it is sad but it is natural

It would be great to see you and the physics girl (Dianna Cowern) again in the same video

I noticed this, too.

True

I would say that teachers are working to be more constructive in terms of making comments

@@tbird81 they where dullards compared to his brilliant mind ,who care what these non-entities had to say

ADHD is a very US common thing, and often appears to be just another excuse to label a behavior and mostly importantly to throw drugs at it. I believe that many other places it's considered as someone needing to be taught slightly differently and to be helped to concentrate and manage for the time periods required.

@@nickryan3417 While I agree therapy and different ways of teaching can help manage adhd symptoms I don't really agree with you on it being an excuse. If anything it's an explanation. As for drugs, well for some people that's the only thing that lets them manage with the mundanity of everyday life.

@@beskamir5977 I get your point, but there are "too many" people who apparently have ADHD for it to be anything other than normal. It's either a difference, a problem, or it's a symptom of something else failing. That's my point. Is society failing people who aren't able to stare gormlessly at the front of a class and absorb whatever a, likely bored, teacher is trying to teach them, or is it that the methodology of teaching has gone wrong somewhere? That's more my point. Absolutely with you on the explanation, but it's what behind it, the causes, that matter.

@@nickryan3417 Ah okay yeah I agree. Although adhd also affects people outside of school work to the point where doing everyday chores can be a struggle and focusing on just classroom/job doesn't capture all the symptoms/consequences of suffering from adhd.

What can we expect more from middle school teachers. Of course they will misjudge a genius when they are equipped with mediocrity.

Ideas begin as vague. They don't appear in final form.

@@anhtran6113 That's my problem with the lower educational system. I always had the feeling that I was being taught stuff by teachers who hardly understood the things they were teaching, and if you asked subject-related questions, that weren't directly related to what's in the text books they used, they couldn't answer you. It's a tough problem to fix though. People that are great in their field either work in it or go into research, what's left are the people that aren't good enough to work in the field so they go teach the basic stuff to kids instead.

aeromodeller1 they are echos from the future...dat is why.

Nowadays they would put kids into depression because of increasing human fragility but back then, that was how you talked to people, bluntness.

That's basically school these days for bright kids that can't cope in a regular classroom. Always been the case and pretty sad.

Ok boomer

@@heeheehawhawheehee they must throw you out of every party, cause you're so much fun

@@jasonchandler2754 nah that's just the way british schooling is. Teachers will be very strict and honest.

Awwwww 💙💙💙

He certainly got that right, LOL!

Support it!

Credit to them both.

absolutely credit to Flowers, though I believe he engineered Colossus which was for Tunny traffic / the Lorentz Cipher. Turing, Welchman and Keen among others, including the Polish, were responsible for the Bombe design and engineering , which was for solving Enigma

@@johnsmith1474 Thanks for that constructive post. Engineering is a vast field, and many software and hardware disciplines are close to computer science. You can't "train" anyone to do what are often highly skilled and specialised roles. Many students of maths/physics and computer science go into engineering. British private school education in the 1920s and 1930s would have relied intensely on classical educational models. I'm also not pretending to be a genius, just that I saw some similarities in some of the reports. No-one wants to read petty arguments on a Turing video by the way, take it elsewhere.

@@fattypark Well said. I think someone is a bit triggered ...

Agreed

Turing's work allowed the cracking process to be sped up so that the information revealed could be used in the tactical domain.

@@vk2ig agree! But it confirms he was not the one who originally cracked it. But he was developing the process which brought lots of positive effects

It's ironic that now we judge the people who judged Alan Turing - what goes around comes around.