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Alan Watts seminar discussing different views of the world.

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@karokimbugua10
@karokimbugua10 Год назад
10,000 monkeys typing on 10,000 typewriters for a million years
@exitenter2481
@exitenter2481 2 года назад
i disagree. in islam in God's presence we are in a dynamic set of motions. God tells us to bow, then to stand, then to prostrate. and to do it 4 times in total all over again (we call it salat). rather God mandates that we move in front of him. that means the king we have, the God we have. is not afraid of us, keeping us kneeling. we do this during the day, the night. and so on as though pestering him with our presence is a duty he set upon us everyday, 5 times a day. surely if he be a bad king he wouldn't want a peasant/slave motioning next to him 5 times a day. and he sends a message. a message is only sent to one who a king thinks is a noble and God has nobled the son of Adam. honored him in rank and stature, made in the best form. though man was then sent down to the lowest of the abodes (this world). even hell is higher than this one. it to will be sent down like heaven on judgment day. most people think its the 'under'world (basically in some cultures its the ocean, the deep dark. the core of the earth for others and so on). perhaps a part of it is here.
@thespiritualpress9830
@thespiritualpress9830 2 года назад
I appreciate your perspective and much thanks for commenting! Ive been doing some research into Islam and this certainly helps. Thanks!
@exitenter2481
@exitenter2481 2 года назад
you guys think in a cyclical sense. instead of a linear one (in an alphabetical sense from A to B to C) and think yourselves wise for changing your perspective from a western one to an Eastern one. yet are still blind. so what if things repeat, cycle. do you think you understand the cycles. nai you don't and let me show you. what gives you the idea that the cycles are perfect. that they repeat perfectly. that things will repeat exactly as they had before. isn't it more so that the cycles repeat imperfectly. with a bit of a twist. a car crushes on a wall, tomorrow on a tree. the event of a a car crushing repeats again. a monk rings a bell by his hand today, the bell rings tomorrow as well, either by the wind or whatever may be the case afterwards. in that for the cycle of that happening, of a bell ringing. the reality we live in persists in doing the event of a bell getting rung again. sure you will see the sun coming up again the same way as before. and the night as well on and on seemingly in a perfect cycle. and may wrongly conclude that the cycles are perfect and as such know that you will be born again and again, and die again and again. for you know yourself to had been born and to die. and think the cycle persists but rather your view of cycles is limited. for you think they work perfectly. for you have yet to understand that when you sleep then wake up, you are still yourself, and not a bird or another person. and yet are unable to conclude that when you die you will wake up like before as yet still yourself. however ever noticed that you sleep with everyone else at the same time? in that fashion using the same idea of the the cycle you believe in. i can surely say you will resurrect with others just like u sleep with others into the night here. and then wake up with others at just about the same time.. u wont resurrect/be born alone, others will follow u shortly or may resurrect before you. just like how everyone just about wakes up at the same time in after the night they spend sleeping. some nations closer to others in distance on the plane of resurrection. as such. you wont be born again and again. as different creatures. only one last time will u be born, just like death is for one last time as well in life. as such think not resurrection or transmigration. think eternal life. for that's how it goes for death is done once, and eternal life is right after, also done once.
@thespiritualpress9830
@thespiritualpress9830 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing!
@exitenter2481
@exitenter2481 2 года назад
@@thespiritualpress9830 do read that again
@thespiritualpress9830
@thespiritualpress9830 2 года назад
@@exitenter2481 Im just a human being my friend. I don't necessarily believe and follow all of the discourse on my channel as scripture. Im just person studying different aspects of history, religion, and anthropology. The audio on the channel is simply the opinions and thoughts of different people that made a slight contribution in one of those areas.
@exitenter2481
@exitenter2481 2 года назад
@The Spiritual Press alright. it's just a bit weird to see someone thinking that when he goes from one metaphysical sense of the world, a western one, to an eastern one. that he is then a bit better than others in terms of understanding the world. eastern people have their metaphysical faults as well. now let me tell ya Islamicly how we see the world. though this may be a bit weird to hear. the Arabs used to say "if God ever sends a prophet to us, one who comes with scripture. we won't be fools like those former nations always unaccepting of their prophets (jews, Christians and so on). that we wil be better than them" however what prophet has ever been welcomed by his city/nation? they drove him out like all the rest of those "foolish" nations. and he immigrated to another city next to mecca, now called madina. and basically the Arabs weren't exactly easy on the prophet as they said they would. though he was the last one. the one who said "what I'm doing is akin to placing the last block of stone in this house" that it was the finale religion and one that completed the house. when the scripture came down to Muhammad and he saw the angel. the guy freaked out as people naturally would. for the most part cause the angel (Gabriel) grabbed him and told him to "read" on and on, though he was illiterate. so right after that experience he run back home from where he was. he used to meditate, reflect per say on the world in a small open cave (literally some meters in length) where he had shade. secluded from people. so he run back home and his wife, who was a Christian. took him to her cousin who had some knowledge of the scripture. the cousin who had some keen metaphysical sense of how God does his work in this world as he had been reading the old scriptures. her cousin told him "if only i would be with you the day your people drive you out of your city" as he knew him a prophet and told him he was a prophet.. basically do study up on islam. its quite interesting. uran Hadith collection Riyad as-Salihin / Book 1 / Hadith 438 Collection Riyad as-Salihin In-book reference Book 1, Hadith 438 Abu Najih 'Amr bin 'Abasah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: In the Pre-Islamic Period of Ignorance, I used to think that people who used to worship idols, were deviated and did not adhere to the true religion. Then I heard of a man in Makkah who was preaching a message. So I mounted my camel and went to him. I found that (this man who was) Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) remained hidden because of the persecution by his people. **I had entered Makkah stealthily and when I met him I asked him, "Who are you?" He (ﷺ) said, "I am a Prophet." I asked; "What is a Prophet?" He said, "Allah has sent me (with a message)". I asked, "With what has He sent you?" He said, "He sent me to strengthen the ties of kinship, to destroy idols so that Allah alone should be worshipped and nothing should be associated with Him". I asked, "Who has followed you in this?" He said, "A freeman and a slave". (At that time only Abu Bakr and Bilal (May Allah be pleased with her) were with him). I said, "I shall follow you". He said, "You can not do that now. Do you not see my situation and that of the people? Go to your people, and when you hear that my cause has prevailed, come to me"**. So I went back to my people, and while I was with my people, Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) emigrated to Al-Madinah. I continued to ask people about him till some of my people visited Al- Madinah. On their return, I asked them, "How is that man who has arrived in Al-Madinah faring?" They said, "People are hastening to him. His own people had planned to kill him but did not succeed." Then I went to Al-Madinah and came to him and said, "O Messenger of Allah, do you recognize me?" He (ﷺ) said, "Yes, you are the one who met me in Makkah." I said, "O Messenger of Allah, tell me of that which Allah has taught you and of which I am unaware. Tell me about Salat first." He (ﷺ) replied, "Perform the Fajr (morning) Salat, then stop Salat until the sun has risen up to the height of a lance, for when it rises, it rises up between the horns of the devil, and the infidels prostrate themselves before it at that time. Then perform Salat, for Salat is witnessed and angels attend it, until the shadow becomes equal to the length of its object; then stop Salat, for at that time Jahannam (Hell) is heated up. Then pray when the shadow becomes longer, for the prayer is witnessed and angels attend it, until you perform 'Asr prayer; then stop Salat till sun sets, for it sets between the horns of a devil. At that time the infidels prostrate themselves before it." I then asked the Messenger of Allah to tell me about Wudu', and he (ﷺ) said, "When a person begins the Wudu' and washes his mouth and nose, the sins committed by his face, mouth and nostrils are washed out. Then when he washes his face as commanded by Allah, the sins of his face are washed out with the water from the sides of his beard. Then when he washes his hands up to elbows, the sins of his hands are washed out through his fingers with water. Then he passes his wet hands over his head and the sins of the head are washed out through the ends of his hair with water. Then he washes his feet up to the ankles, the sins of his feet are washed out through his toes with water. Then, if he stands up for Salat and praises Allah, glorifies Him, proclaims His Greatness as He deserves and devotes his heart wholly to Allah, he emerges sin free as the day he was born".When 'Amr bin 'Abasah (May Allah be pleased with him) narrated this Hadith to Abu Umamah (May Allah be pleased with him) a Companion of the Prophet (ﷺ), the latter said to him, "Watch what you are saying. O 'Amr bin 'Abasah, a man will be getting all of this in one shot?" 'Amr (May Allah be pleased with him) replied, "O Abu Umamah, I have attained old age, my bones have become dry, my death is approaching and there is no need for me to tell lies concerning Allah and His Messenger (ﷺ). Had I not heard this from the Messenger of Allah only once, twice, thrice (and he counted up to seven) I would never have reported it. Indeed I have heard this frequently".[authenticated by Muslim].
@exitenter2481
@exitenter2481 2 года назад
@@thespiritualpress9830 I'd recommend ya to listen to hamza Yusuf. he talks well about islam. or to check the Quran.
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