It was a miracle that no one on the ground was killed by the door panel falling on them. The school teacher who found that heavy object in his backyard must be spooked that he was so close to that disaster event.
I was thinking the same thing. It would have been horrific if some kids were playing in that yard. This could have been so much worse but I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of PTSD.
@@ceciliapetrowsky2572 Dunno like most people I don't have a huge backyard, but my house does have these things called windows which people I imagine at least glance out of...also think a massive big door dropping from 16k ft would make some noise at 7pm on a Sunday. His backyard isn't even that big & has no trees, unless it fell behind his yard off his property
@@d.b.cooper1 I have no idea how big his backyard is as I have never seen a picture of it. Wasn’t it dark when the plane took off? If he goes to work early in the morning before the sun comes up, he would not see it out of his window. Our yard goes around a bend that has no windows so if it fell over there, we would not see it unless we went out into the yard.
If this had happened half way to Hawaii, then they would just chosen which way had the best winds for maximum ground speed and flown to either Hawaii, California, Oregon, or Washington. Whichever had the shortest arrival time. The airplane was structurally sound and both engines operating normally. Thank you for letting me :imagine' this for you That being said, if the door had hit the horizontal or vertical stabilizers, that would be an entirely different problem. But.... It didn't. In this case ( my personal opinion here), the CVR would add little. The pilots responded correctly so the CVR would add little if anything. BUT it should not have been erased and that points to a larger problem. Because that means it could be erased when it is vitally needed. They have the FDR, which will give accurate times and things like altitude', cabin pressure, what alarms were activated and things like that. Terrifying? Surprising, yes, but few people would be 'terrified'. Airplane under control? Check. Engines producing power? Check. Injuries? None? Check. Airplane over weight for landing. Short flight = less fuel on board = OK for landing. Concerned? Yes. Terrified, no.
@@davidbeckenbaugh9598 You are a smarty pants arent you? Anyone sitting in those seats by the hole would be dead. Flying for 2.5hrs to either LA or HI would be terrifying for anyone sitting near those seats. Do you like apples?
@@MontanaRealtyCompany934 Two words: Time & temperature. Spending hours flying back to an airport with a hole in the plane would have given many passengers hypothermia. Many people could have died. This incident happened near an airport, so they only had to endure a few minutes of travel. They were lucky.
@@MontanaRealtyCompany934 Since it was 45 minutes before the SW airlines airplane with the hole in the fuselage landed... (what, three years ago?) and the only person that died was the person ejected, well, I guess YOU are the 'smarty pants'. Since the people sitting around the hole in UAL 811 did not die o the more than one hour it took to get on the ground, I guess there is a bit more to show you are full of 'apples' (whatever you mean by that). On Aloha airlines flight 243, the entire front upper fuselage was stripped away leaving the ENTIRE airplane cabin a tornado of wind for 38 minutes. And people were moving around the cabin trying to assist injured people and, other than the ejected flight attendant, no one died. If you wish, I checked on line and found 27 aircraft accidents (including a British accident where the pilot was ejected from the airplane and pinned against the fuselage for the better part of an hour in 150 (+) knots of wind and survived. The British Midlands accident). Would you like me to further denigrate you, would you like to remove your rather idiotic post? Yes, my favorite apples are from a tree called a 'Scilate' but you are so ignorant I bet you have never heard of it. I grow them and have three in my orchard. Now, what does that have to do with a plug door failure?
@@MontanaRealtyCompany934what? Why? They would have deployed the oxygen masks and dropped below 10,000ft quickly, then the oxygen masks wouldn't be needed anymore and they would have flown to the nearest airport to land. Same thing as what happened, really. The main difference is that we would have not found the door plug, or the boy's iphone on the ground but they would be lost to the sea. Less dangerous for the people on the ground... Definitely more terrifying for the people in the plane, but not different than what happened.
@@marisamartin3664no, Boeing paying ridiculous bonuses to their execs causes your flight costs to go up. That payout would be paid by insurance and is already budgeted for. Stop being a corporate boot licker. Pathetic.
I can't wait to hear the first lowball compensation offer Alaska offers to those passengers. Sorry you were almost suckedout of our plane here's one free voucher for a one-way flight to Cleveland in coach and a free meal voucher😂
Compensation for what?? They've suffered mild inconvenience. Sorry, but one is not, nor should be, compensated for things that could have, but did not in fact, happen.
Whaddya mean it's standard to "wipe clean" the cockpit recording? It makes no sense. Does that mean that it's only not erased if a plane crashes? It seems absurd to me.
Former black box engineer here. When power is applied to the voice recorder, it starts recording. The max capacity is 2hrs and will keep over-writing the old data. So if the plane was sitting on the ground with power on, and no one pulled the recorder's circuit breaker, it would over-write the recording captured during the event. FAA wants to increase that to 25hrs, but has faced pushback from pilot union, citing privacy concerns.
@@aerohk Don't you think that it would be the obvious thing to do to extract the recorder from this particular aircraft as soon as it landed, and to extract the data as quickly as possible? ATC had already alerted about the incident and my understanding is that the NTSB arrived immediately to the scene. You'd think regulations would be designed around exceptional circumstances like this one, not exclude them. Is there any common sense left in anything anymore?
They did know it was a problem it was inspected and tested twice..with no further issue. It sounds like then Boeing was notified and they chose to not take it seriously…
Alaska Airlines is restricting that plane from going over water. That's great to know because if you are going down does it really matter if you are over land or over water? Not much.
Ummmm quite literally this very accident..if that went off 2000 miles off the coast of Hawaii…you wanna fly another 3 hours with the aircraft exposed like that?
@@thebanksfilms4426 They are trusting the plane will not have a major accident but not that it won't have a little one with you and 99 other people's lives at risk. No thanks.
Hard to believe there would be any empty seats on a plane these days. And then the chances of those empty seats being in the row with the blown out plug seem beyond believable. If the rest of that plane was full and only those seats were empty, I'm not sure what to think.
This could've been a hit. There was probably someone in the seat and they "erased" any record of him on the flight. Cockpit recordings lost too? This sounds like an Epstein "hit."
This is terrifying to me. I keep thinking what would have had happen if my 6 year old or my toddler would be on that window seat. Or even myself? How would we just get off of there? I think I would freeze and pass out.
This is one of the reasons why there are several requirements to seat by emergency seat. 1 of them is that a passenger needs to be at least 15 years old
Two hours for the CVR recording should've been ample time. It's concerning that Alaska's maintenance initiated diagnostics before the NTSB arrived. The auto pressurization light likely indicated a door plug failure, but it seems maintenance didn't thoroughly investigate. The restriction on flying to Hawaii suggests a potential major pressurization issue. Pulling the aircraft out of service and involving Boeing should've been a priority at the risk of people's lives with Alaska Airlines.
The pressurization system was trying to tell the crew that there was an air leak somewhere in the airplane. They decided to blame the pressurization system instead of looking for the leak. Most likely, the door plug was beginning to be forced out and the seal had started to leak. They probably should have pressure tested the airplane on the ground to see if it would hold pressure. At least now they don't have to bother looking for the leak.
Why would an airline ground their entire fleet of aircraft for a single light coming on in one plane? That is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read in my life. If airlines did that then no plane would ever be in the air.
They pressurize commercial planes to 11 something psi…psi…pounds per square inch. How many MILLIONS of square inches do you think make up the interior of an entire air plane? Now multiply that by 11, and you have how much force was released during that explosive decompression. People are lucky they didn’t get sucked out. REAL lucky.
Y'all feel free to spend your money on air flights. I'm not flying. If they cared about you, they wouldn't have erased that voice recorder clean. Think people think. "Door plug"? HIRE AN ATTORNEY!!!
With how much pressure the cabin is under, it would be extremely unlikely that the part would come in contact with the tail. Millions of pounds of pressure behind it when it blew out would cause it to shoot out, not fall off. They pressurize the plane to 11ish psi, now think how many square inches there are in that plane with 11 psi behind them. Say that there is JUST 1 million square inches inside that airplane, well, now the pressure acting on that door is 11 MILLION pounds. It was always gonna blow way out away from the aircraft.
Unbelievable That panel should have been bolted to structural members so the bolts or structural members would need to be ripped apart before panel would depart. So even if panel buckled, bent, warped, deformed ripped its remains along edges would still be attached. Not a single shred of that panel remains attached to any fastener That takes time during manufacture. 10 bolts could take an hour to secure. We know Max program played w every cost cutting move possible. This was held in by a couple of little screws just enough to keep it in place until altitude at which tons of pressure on it would do so better. So the failure mode is buckling, folding deforming, due to inadequate panel so construction. No doubt to save weight, like all plastic vs alum frame & cross members. The lighter plastic / composite fiberglass / carbon fiber might have been light enough for 2 men to carry so no time consuming fork lift etc was needed slowing down fabrication
The door plug was bolted to the fuselage using 12 bolts, 6 on each side. It looks like all 12 bolts were pulled out. My guess is that they installed the wrong bolts, which were too short. This means that only a small number of the threads on the bolts were engaged into the door plug. Over time the bolts would start to pull out until finally they would all let go at once.
@@marisamartin3664 a door plug. It's installed instead of a door to save weight on this model of DC3 when fitted with (IIRC) less than 220 seats. It's designed to be quick and easy to replace with an emergency exit door. Remove the interior panel, remove four clamping bolts, push out and lift up a bit then it hinges down. Unbolt the hinge then a door and frame can be mounted, along with the interior panel that goes with having a door there. When fitted with the door plug, the inside looks like all the rest of the plane where the doors aren't.
There must be real idiots working a Boeing, and In mean the guys with the tools in their hands. They were the ones responsible for installing the bolts, not management. They better find the one (s) responsible and prosecute, or at least fire the jerk.
Why do you have that shirt on? It’s dumbo and distracting. Or that hat? Or those shoes? She’s obviously from a different ethnicity group, and you and every other grown a@& adult around knows that some groups wear hijabs. Grow up you adult baby
@@erikolson5299 who cares? Most Americans don't wear towels on their damn heads so clearly it's seen as weird. Thats like being gay and going to Saudi Arabia.
Company should not launch such airplane during winter, save it for summer.... It's too early for surprise,.... Even though maybe it Was A surprise but thank god that nobody got stroke.... And is it a Christmas surprise maybe its too late for santa to drop airplane door to someone's backyard... Seriously!???? During Flight???
Alaska Airline maintenance department deleted the flight data / cockpit recordings? The same maintenance department responsible for the Alaska Airline Flight 261 crash off the coast of Los Angeles? Yeah, the cover up begins.
No. The cockpit voice recorder has a two-hour capacity. If it is powered up for two hours and five minutes, the first five minutes of audio recorded after the box is powered up will be overwritten by the last five minutes of cockpit audio. There is nothing nefarious about the CVR data being overwritten because the CVR was left powered up after the airplane landed. Do you remember how chaotic things got during your last in-flight emergency? That is reason enough for overlooking the breaker. Where did you get that about the flight data recorder being wiped? I have not seen any reports of that happening.
@@alflyover4413 According to flight trackers the entire flight was approximately 20 minutes. Plenty of time to capture the events within a "two hour" time frame. The NTSB report will have correct times later. Upon landing the circuit breakers and flight data recorders (FDR) should have been pulled. The FDRs should have been removed from the aircraft and secured for the NTSB. If the FDRs remained on the aircraft with power on then yes, they will track over and erase everything after, as they said, a two hour timeframe. Someone at Alaska Airlines didn't want those recordings to go public. Yes, the cover up begins. Time will tell.
Boeing should be forced to retire 737 max family of planes, and they need to redesign a new mid size airliner with complete new body new structure all together.
C'mon folks, the main thing is that the bearded flight attendants are allowed to wear dresses and mascara while on the job; Alaska Airlines has priorities of looking out for their employees feelings, y'know! Safety stuff comes later in woke corporations 😂
