2 points for wrist cut? has HEMA rules changed like that or it is regional? I thought 2 points are just for mask and torso but i didnt compete for last 6 years. Is this british top 500? Good that you fighters were honest with strikes bcs referees were half blind :D
All HEMA tournament rules are regional, there is no standard. Albion cup scores 3 for head and torso thrust, 2 everything else. And it's the top 500 by HEMA Ratings, so no it's global hemaratings.com/periods/details/?ratingsetid=1 The judges did a good job. Cuts through a parry are hard to see.
@@messeringaround1426 Yeah that was pretty explicitly the reasoning behind it - it was felt that any clean hit should score higher than points gained through both fencers getting struck.
If you ever feel useless remember those judges. Not only do the rules not imply the priority of the first hit over the afterblow (for example, in Russian tournaments, in a situation where the first hit is in the hand and the afterblow is in the head, no one gets points), but also the judges are blind: Miro had a hit in the head with the flat(2:99), then the side judge does not see that the blow from Miro was to the shoulder(prelast exchange), but coint to the head, then they consider the blow without qualification to the head from Mira(3:59). Jamie definately got robbed. Also only two judges and they are always discussing( This speaks of their incompetence). West Hema clubs and their organization really weaker than east in all aspect. shame
"for example, in Russian tournaments, in a situation where the first hit is in the hand and the afterblow is in the head, no one gets points" - That artificially favours the person in the lead. The score could be 1-0 and for the final exchange you can just do a random one handed cut not caring about a double and be certain of winning the match. That's a stupid rule and promotes terrible fencing. "Weaker"? 🤣
@@adamtennant4936 I wrote that no one gets a point. The person who hit the first hand does not stand out if he received an afterblow, that's fair. It's not fair to single out a person who hits an afterblow, how do you imagine such a shot in life? After a cut in the hand, can a person deliver a normal blow through pain and lack of nerves? You only have to glance at the eastern fencers (Fabian, Olbryskha, Kultaev, the Vasilyev brothers, Usoltsev and many others) and you will understand that they are monsters compared to their Western colleagues. Hema in Russia is the most developed in the world, for example. According to the collected statistics, this country has the most clubs and people, the most tournaments. The Russians came up with Hemagon (a rating system and platform for online analysis of tournaments), which recently hosted the Helsinki Cup. Russia now has the most serious competition in the world, there are incredibly strong athletes (you can see everything for yourself on the VK platform in club groups). Nikolai Aslamov writes scientific works, transforming ancient traditions into easy-to-learn practice and much more. (I don’t want to belittle anyone, I just didn’t like the organization of this tournament) I really want the development of Hemа and a systematic approach to this sport
@@user-dd6mm1ex9y "I wrote that no one gets a point." - Yup, and it's still a stupid rule that promotes bad fencing because it means if you're ahead at last exchange you can do a suicidal cut to a poor target and be 100% sure of winning the match. It also means that there's less down side for leaving yourself open during any cut. Not sure why you think suicidal fencing is a good idea? "how do you imagine such a shot in life? After a cut in the hand, can a person deliver a normal blow through pain and lack of nerves? " - It's not just about reality, it's about creating a tournament environment that encourages good fencing. The #1 sabre HEMA fighter in the world is heavily involved in running our tournaments and making these rule sets. 🤷♂ "I don’t want to belittle anyone" - and yet you just did in a very rude and blatant way...
lol guys. You'll love the upcoming Coffee & HEMA videos where I talk about how all rules are equally stupid and gameable. There are issues with both of these ways of determining the "winner" in an exchange where you both got hit (you both fucked something up) The judges did a good job here. They are conferring because it's fast and each judge has only one angle. In all of this match there's only one I disagree with, which is the cut that comes to my shoulder and they call head - this is a difficult thing to distinguish between in a split second. That exchange only made 1 point difference and would not have altered the final result, except maybe the psychology of the final exchange would have been different.
