Alex Choi Arrest; Police Chases; Used EVs vs New - TST Podcast  

01:48 - intro 02:25 - stressing about pcar market being down cold open 04:06 - police chase issues 10:30 - “uh, right, so cars” - upcoming Lucid Sapphire drive (11:52 - pcar market update) 13:52 - messages about BRZ vs GR86 sales in relation to BRZ vs GR Corolla video tanking 15:54 - Alex Choi being charged with multiple felonies after video of shooting fireworks from helicopter and a discussion of “The Algorithm” 24:52 - GR Corolla overheating diff update from Savagegeese 28:02 - driving the Spyder for fun and a shoot, OEM tires dead after 5k miles, and a foggy clock (33:22 - Zack: “what loaner from Porsche would you want if you could pick any of them?”) 33:39 - used Taycan turismo prices and buying a used EV for reporting purposes 44:02 - Ioniq 5N video debrief (the one with Zack) Patreon questions: 45:42 - does the newest BRZ/86 still have the RTV oil pickup issue? 48:24 - if you were choosing somewhere to live in the US based on driving roads and climate-other than SoCal and Knoxville-where would you go? 49:57 - best pre-DCT auto sports car? 52:23 - [tabled due to coming future video on CLA35] 52:34 - have either of you owned a 330ci ZHP? 53:13 - other than a 911 Dakar or Sterrato, what’s the coolest enthusiast vehicle you’ve seen modified for utility? 55:08 - what brands have the biggest and best cult following and supportive communities? 57:40 - why is the SF90 market so soft? 1:00:06 - would it be a stretch to say that the A91 Supra manual is the best M-car currently on sale? 1:01:22 - what watch do you find yourself wearing other than the canyon? 1:03:00 - what car commercial genuinely made you want the car? 1:04:50 - when are snow tires not enough and you need AWD? 1:07:15 - thinking about moving to Monterey or Santa Rosa in the next 5-7 years, which has the most well-rounded car culture? 1:08:55 - going to Hawaii next week, what should I Turo? 1:10:58 - what’s cigarette brand had the best motorsports livery? 1:12:13 - does adding more motors to an EV change the driving experience other than adding HP? 1:13:47 - what is the greatest sounding car that is the slowest? 1:14:50 - if the automotive financing market is one of the largest bubbles beyond housing here in the US, do you see the recent EV sales slump as pushback on that or something else? 1:17:21 - Steve Magnante go fund me 1:18:23 - what is the best car for getting good fuel economy at speeds >80mph? 1:20:30 - thoughts on the Credor Locomotive? 1:21:28 - ended up with an RDX for my mother; Macan was on the list but decided against it after hearing you talk about maintenance, what is another cheap car that is a no-go due to maintenance? 1:22:27 - what’s the best car-related gift you’ve given or received? 1:24:27 - from the Jim Farley interview, don’t you think that it’s a contradiction when he agrees that people should be buying smaller cars but also getting people to move from said smaller cars to larger vehicles like the Maverick? 1:27:14 - I want to go back to a wagon after dailying a 4Runner; Volvo, Mercedes, and Audi fit the bill but I’m afraid of giving up reliability, is there a smart way to buy a used luxury car? 1:28:20 - I drive an Alpine A110 with the standard bucket seats and find that after ~4 hours of driving my balls start to ache, do you have any advice other than to stop driving? 1:30:51 - outro

Regarding your used EV discussion. I would probably just get whatever car Hannah wants. If you're serious about doing content on used EVs I feel like it would be more interesting if you bought a high mile Model 3 Performance. You can get them for around $25K which is crazy value to performance ratio, and it's in a price bracket that's relatable to a wider audience, and the reality is the Model 3 will always be a top contendor for most people looking into an EV. You can discuss how's it's interior/exterior held up over time, how the battery performs, etc. and it would also be interesting to see the "anti-Tesla" person experience one long term.

Yes please get a used Taycan! They are getting very juicy pricing.

I’d be more interested seeing the channel document the ownership experience of getting a used EV vs a new one.

It's very well known alex chois parents are extremely wealthy he doesn't need the money his parents will pay his lawyer most likely.

The E39 M5 ad with Clive Owen was really good

Zach's humor is definitely underrated. 1:12:40 That Papa John's reference caught me off guard. 😆

Only in the US police chases are a thing, I honestly find them inappropriate and useless. So many resources wasted when you can catch people with cameras, plates, social media when they least expect it.

The reason helicopters and explosives are regulated was the death of two children and an actor on the set of the Twilight Zone movie. Brutal stuff.

I snorted out loud at the Papa John's joke. Well done.

Show idea: How about bringing in as guests, LAPD and CHP representatives to describe the current pursuit policies and how even amongst local agencies, there is a broad spectrum of policies they adhere to...

Alex Choi Section: @16:00

There is a 2020 Taycan with 63k miles for sale for $56k near me in Ohio. I wonder what range degradation that specific one has.

I drove my 15 mustang on snow tires through 3 central New York winters, hills were no problem in a foot of snow, but having a good limited slip differential makes a huge difference

My porsche 718 boxster frequently has condensation in the chrono clock. It's normal. Also normal to have condensation in the rear taillights.

you guys are my fav podcast on youtube,!! the one I have on the background while I work. I listen repetedly to each crew show😂😂 I might need help I think

I would be 100% interested in a used ev experiment. I’m looking at my next car in a year or two and a used ev could be an option

I like the used EV idea… but on a sportier EV like a taycan. Still needs Hannah’s approval lol

1.0L focus was available in US later in the run, post-refresh (2015+), could be had with a 6-speed manual (only 6-speed manual on new focus other than ST/RS). LOL @ Zach’s “Papa John’s” joke Love the show, TST crew shows are the best.

You’ll get crushed on resale with a used higher end EV

So many uninformed people thought that kid getting arrested for the helicopter stunt was too much going, "It's his car, he can do whatever he wants! Just give him a ticket!" He broke FAA rules in a national park. It's Federal level all the way up and you don't F with the FAA. I'd be surprised if the helicopter pilot didn't get his license suspended or revoked for going along with that.

I love how the EV benchmark on a track is from a Hyundai. I'm all for it

Re: the SF90s not holding value. The biggest factor is they are having lots of temperamental electrical problems. 296s too I hear.

In regards to police chases: A cop can come up behind someone who made a traffic violation, take a picture of the plates, flash their lights once and back away. Person gets a ticket in the mail. No need to pit maneuver a pregnant woman who is looking for somewhere to safely stop.

Vermont has great roads for driving and not many people

The best car commercial I can think of is the 2009 Superbowl ad Audi did for the sueprcharged A6 with Jason Statham. Not a particularly exciting car but AWESOME commercial given that the Transporter was a popular movie at the time. From 2007-2016 Audi really nailed their product placement in commercials and movies.

🧑🏾‍💻I'm here, for zack referencing Dropout. Sam Reich, Sup guy!

There's a viral clip of a cop bragging to a motorcyclist about how much he loves chasing, and that he "chases until the end". Goes on to say that people he has chased have died. Despicable

Researching it, the Choi video was actually posted last year, for the 4th of July.

Flagstaff resident here! Best roads are south of us! 89 between Yarnell and and Prescott is excellent and so are some of the roads in the white mountains near the Payson area. Nothing really great in Flagstaff. Some people like to do the switchbacks to Sedona but they can be crowded and not the safest place for spirited driving!

Cup 2s came on my Sypder when I took delivery. 7k miles on them so far. No track time. Just spirited street driving. At last service (about 6 months ago), the Porsche dealer marked them all "green," which means 5/32s or better remaining. I've been very happy the them.

5:42, there was one on PoliceActivity (or a channel like that) where they were doing the police chase through a shopping center parking lot, and going between a row of parked cars where there happened to be an open spot that they could drive through. I was in disbelief that they continued the chase; super unprofessional and reckless.

Wait Zack loves dropout too? Getting Sam on the podcast would be a wonderful “crossover episode” for me personally

I think most EVs have decent factory warranties on the batteries that last 7-10 years and 70-100 thousand miles depending on the manufacturer.

I'd like to see you get a used Taycan. If I even went EV this is the route I'd go, but I'd be concerned with the "life" left in it

Buford T Justice… “ I’m in HOT PURSUIT “ !

I dont wish jail on nobody, but I wouldnt mind Choi taking a lil' break.

Great show, highly support getting the used Cross Turismo. I have a CT4 2023 in silver, and it's such a great car, handles well, super comfortable, a great daily, and a badass sports wagon.

1:20:50 thr Credor Locomotive looks like AP Royal Oak cause both designed by Genta

118:23 my 2002 530i gets 20/gal at 90, I'm auto but manuals are even better. Low drag coefficient at .27

Huh, from the discussion on awd vs snow tires, today I learned that there are states that still allow studded tires and snow chains. I honestly had no idea.

Matt is such a hypocrite against Alex calling him an idiot "He has rich parents" -Matt's whole ecosystem is because of a rich father - Run the math "Broke the law on camera" -Matt breaks the speed limit on every video he posts

Buy used. It would be great to see how it goes!! Especially a BA wagon

The car commercial question made me laugh. In 2008, my wife and I spent a year living in Australia. One of the ads on rotation was for the Mitsubishi Pajero. It was of a family I think taking a trip to camp in the outback. I don't know if it was a mix of sort of loving living in Australia or just the way the car sold that sense of adventure but to this day I want to buy a Pajero and ideally an old one from around 2008 or so. We live in NZ now and every time one comes up for sale, I think about it going for it. I think that's going to be my midlife crisis car!

Who bought/gave you that tshirt Zack?

Luckily Steve is now out of the hospital and on the mend.

Get a used ev and document all the range, value, possible problems etc with it. Would we a great watch

Regarding the market for the SF90, look up the story about the deal NBA player Spencer Dinwiddie made on an SF90. It made him look like his last name is Dimwitted. He's suing now.

Shoutout to Dropout

The B7 RS4 community is super supportive

New\used EV: I am actually curious about the experience of a used EV. I'm just one person and hardly a taste setter, but it would be interesting to me. What comes up. What repairs are like once warranties need to be aftermarket\extended. Parts availability. Stuff like that. This being said I'm not sure the market for used Taycans has sunk quite enough. You don't need the range for a city runabout car, but they are still probably too expensive.

Only 2 thousand miles of canyon driving.

To the guy asking about wagons, check out 2018-20 Buick regal TourX. This is the third time I’m recommending them here, phenomenal cars that are way under rated, and are a really good deal right now as well as reliable

We all would like to live through you. The used ev market is great, lots of depreciation. Please get a used EV.

Used and fast EV would be great for content IMO. That’s the tempting buyer proposition I think for some of your viewers. Can we get in and out and how much of a headache is it for a fast non Tesla cheapish EV

Slow car that sounds amazing: W8 Passat

always buy a year or 2 after release. i want a 22-23 mach-e, but the 24 green looks so sweet.

Hoovie just dumped his cyber truck and bought a used Cadillac lyriq, considering how much EV’s are losing in value after only a year it makes more financial sense to buy a used one. Personally think the 296 is ugly and the SF90 is far better looking.

Most of the Maverick’s I see are in fleet use. Also the dealers around here in Ohio rarely have them in stock.

Ive dealt with civil asset forfeiture in AZ. They make it hard to get anything back.

Taycan, red interior with a frozen berry metallic wrap. Yiiiiip!

If we’re weighing in on car choice I’d say I’d be more interested in seeing a used Lucid or some new brand vs an older established brand. Can Lucid sell you a Sapphire press car for cheap?

I am hugely in favor of the idea of buying a used cross turismo

Both Matt and Zack wear their watches on their right hand, does that mean they are both left handed? Does it matter which side you wear it on? Just curious never had a watch. Cheers.

Concerning the same shirt twice. There’s an anecdote that Harley Earl had a carbon copy of his suits pack in his office, and when-if the Michigan winds affected his perfectly ironed creases, he would have changed to the copy-suit after the lunch

used and what happens there after 3 years or so.

Most of the rental cars here in Oahu are convertible mustangs. Count dozens of them on the north shore every day

If you do an autocheck on that 89 mile Taycan it looks like it had a battery failure... 9/11/2023 VEHICLE REACQUIRED Vehicle reacquired by the manufacturer pursuant to applicable state consumer warranty laws or to promote customer satisfaction. Reason provided by Manufacturer: HV battery failure

Time for used EV's. Up until now they haven't been available because they are so recent to the market. Buying used cars is the smart buy for the general public so would be nice to see that covered on youtube.

Upvote for used Taycan

Well this is news to me, but after Matt mentioning his tire usage with his Porsche. I just realized Dunlop is actually owned in part by Goodyear now, and Goodyear essentially took over the production of there sports tires as of 2016. This kind explains why Dunlop haven't produced anything of substance in a long time and the explosion of sports tires from Goodyear. Goodyears eagle supersport 3 tires is exactly the same as the Dunlop Sport Maxx R2 tires with different branding design. And i guess probably proprietary sizes for each brand. Kinda sad to me 😞.

Regarding the GR Corolla, I reviewed and interviewed the owner of the GR and he ALSO had the same issue with the trans. If interested, you can jump directly to 21 mins 28 s in the video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-68wJlXPKs0Q.htmlsi=cinBFzB-ydRkCTmc As for the used EV vs new - personally I'd go for a slightly used Taycan Sport Turismo - I prefer the design on that way more than the new Macan EV....

Used aspirational EV and show how it is to own

6 minutes in so far and it’s a little to lefty for my liking. Great podcast though 😎

Definitely go with the crossturismo

Weird...a tiny street car overheats when using it on the track 🥴 lol. It def should be able to last a little longer but it should be expected.

Matt talking about something he has no knowledge of, from his far-left point of view.

my parents could have been severely hurt in a police chase here in NJ when a shop lifter at walmart was chased and he t-bone my dads jeep. really chasing a walmart shoplifter? smh.

What about manual supra vs m5 CS?

Just weird you say cops think they're in movies so they go fast yet you are going over the speed limit in the hills every day for "reviews". I get you go when streets aren't as populated, early in the morning but I think the principal's are still the same. If you really wanted to be safe, like you're saying these cops should be you should review all cars on closed tracks. Maybe a little wrong in my perception but seems a little that way in my opinion

Harris raves about the SMG in his E60 M5 wagon.

The Turismo would be great. Not sure if there are a bunch of long term experiments.

On the Donnie comment. Was this something new, or an old thing? Either way - anyone know if it was talked about before/ recently? I wasn’t sure what they were referencing

Of course Matt is pro criminal lol. God forbid someone runs from the police & something bad happens 🤣🤣🤣

I vote buying used EV over new!

For the EV decision, I personally believe it's more on brand for you to buy a used one and document your experience with that. Especially within the last few years, you have had much more of an environmentally conscientious perspective compared to your peers. I think a used EV plays into that very well. Granted, it's your money, your decision, however, with a clickbaity enough title and thumbnail, you could get some good views on it, especially if stuff does go wrong. Additionally, you've already done the new EV documentation, there's quite a few people doing that on youtube now, this is much more of a new concept, especially from someone with your experience.

Good pre-dct autos ISF, LFA, F430 F1, DB9, 350/370Z auto

I would be very into the used EV. With Teslas having 100k miles on them I think you would be good. Would be very interested in it

Porsche sells just as many 911s every year as BRZ & 86. That is an alarming sign about the middle class, when a +$100k sports car sells as many as a $30k sports car. RU-vid is basically about the fantasy now, nobody is really fantasizing about a 30-40k car.

I'd find the used Taycan more compelling than the new Macan. Then it could be the next giveaway when you're done with it...

It amazes me how you blame the cops for a pursuit. How about just pulling over and avoid a chase? If someone chooses to flee put them in jail for a long time. This slap in the wrist mentality is what causes the people to flee.

J Ryan next week?

you guys have been lite on comedian guests. Time to get Andrew Santino on the pod.

Get Zack the used Taycan.

100% do used taycan.. way more interesting. Seems like there would be more content to be done plus more fun car.. and better looking. Maybe get one with like 40-50k. Thats actually consumer advice for more people

I'm all for chases. If you have a no chase policy, the criminals know they can get away very easily. Too many people like Matt seem to side with the criminals. Bizarre.

TIL Zack also loves G-Shocks...

New ev tax creds would work for the macan vs used taycan

Why don't you guys try adding POV camera angles? We're tired of looking at the guy talking when what's really important is the driving. And the gopro on the windscreen or hood just doesnt capture the driving.

Do a used Tesla Model 3! I can already image all the viwer you would get.