Alfred is NOT 98462 (part 1) 

Part 1 time stamps: 0:11 Intro and context 1:08 the untold difference 3:29 the painful difference in detail Part 2 will cover the -How to fix 98462’s reputation in the Fandom -final thoughts Also join my discord server, because why not: discord.gg/rJVzD4RFbc

In my headcanon , Alfred , and 98462 are not the same engines , but they are friends , until Thomas and Emily sent him to Hiroshima 1945 and died in the explosion

The simple solution as to why Alfred is often seen as 98462, I think, is that in canon, he was an enigma to the audience outside of being one of Edwards bullies. Thanks to some fans who wanted to flesh him out, as a result, other fans began to accept it since the fan content filled in the blanks that were left in the books and TV show. Take for example Stanley/Smudger. We never see them again after they were converted into a pumping engine and generator respectively. Stanley was said to have been scrapped by the expanded universe. But what about Smudger? Did he get scrapped too? Was he just left in that shed forever? Such things are fun to speculate about.

Tbh, I usually thought it was Alfred as 98462, but over time, I think Alfred is overrated.

Dude, I’m 12 and most of the time I read a railway series story before I go to sleep. Also, I never believed that 98462 was Alfred. Yes, you heard me. Always thinked that Alfred was fake. and after seeing this video, indeed I was right. A friend of mine thinks that 98462 and Alfred are the same engine. This video will help him get a life. Now the dumb kids can learn their lesson. I am so glad I’m actually one of those kids who actually do lots of research. here’s the moral of the documentary: There is no Alfred, just 98462.

Poor six year old kids Their entire world view will be shattered

2 year olds after watching this viedo:*Metal pipe sound insert*

Are you mad at people that make non-Alfred 98462 Characters Like streak of blue?

Honestly, while I agree with everything you said, I probably would still prefer 98462 as a B12 with a few chances like giving him a different name that isn’t Alfred. Also when Awdry wrote back to that fan, I have a feeling he just made up the numbers 98462 and 87546 off the top of his head

Tbh despite we don't the original canon of characters like 98462 do fans own character expect just fan interpetations

If Alfred is never mentioned as 98462, can they both be in the same universe?

Tell this to the 5 year kids who think 98462 and alfred is the same character

Best way to describe this debate is they share similar design elements but ones bigger than the other

In my au,am still looking a basis for 98462 but he does arrive in 1923 and is named Grayson and actually stays on The railway after his trial ( but I must not say anything else otherwise I will spoil my series)

This man is the new god

In my own head canon, Alfred DOES exist, but isnt 98462, but instead, jest another engine from the other railway due to all of the inaccuracys between them you mentioned, the actual basis for 98462 (and by extension 87546) are jest experimental designs to lighten the workload for the lner and test out new parts, as such they never received names, and once more finalized designs showed up, they were jest barrowed to whatever railway needed them at the time

5:36 at one point some one edited and then put another fact despite 87546 and 98462 not appearing in the tvs and in official media since the three railway engines they still have appear in fan content and refered by the fan names crovan and Alfred however this is was later deleted

Alfred and 98462 are much better as separate characters.

SCARY GORDON,😂😂😂😂

Very nice to hear your reasons as to why alfred is not 98462

Thanks for getting my head straight here.

I would'nt be mind if alfred was 98462"s tvs counderpart

Well i made my ideal 98462 is a raven A2 and would arrive to sodor in 1924 and then would get really cocky in the smokebox and would then get in raged when sir Tompham hat would then give henry all the praze when henry rescued him from a horrible crash and would get his name taken away then 98462 would meet 87546 who would stay on sodor until he would be loaned back to the LNER and 98462 would be sent away in disgrace not given his name back for you know for causing 87546 to crash on Gordon’s hill and he would be bought a few year in 1949 where he would be given full ownership by sir tompham the 3rd and then would brought back when 87546/kirk Ronan crashed into the flying kipper. I know you would think I’m an idiot for writing all these ideas but this felt right to me like what you said about 98462 not being Alfred or b16 98462 so scorchZane dont say what you want to say.

Have people make a shed 17 headcanon for 98462

I was so dumb thinking its the same character and in fact why did he gave him that number anyway?

in my headcanon alfred and 98462 are seperate characters,expect alfred's number is 98469.also 98462 also has a name,John(me and my friend named him that)

what if a oc character "castle" was actually 98462 rebuilt into a castle class? but what about alfred being rebuilt to a LNER B16 after he was sent away and then being sent back to the nwr? anyways im gonna make a fan-movie about it and the reason why this is gonna exist in this movie is becouse all 3 of the same character are of course going to have the exact same face and wheel arangement. quite simular to T1E2H3's theory on bertram where bertram is the engine who failed to cross the old iron bridge and that engine what actually smudger

98462 may not be Alfred But he is in my AU, and he's a GER S69 and Not An actual B12

98462 is a b16 in my HC and his name is Gregory

Does the sodor nostalgia zone 2006 98462 looks like freelance

6:32 that’s too fanciful to ever take place in the books

I most likely pick 98462 as a B16, since most people like it more than as a B12

Are these kids consider these facts in tvs canon rather rws canon

The fact that t1e2h3's characterisation is acctually pretty good, its just what came after it was sucked.

You are right and you prove good points. There's a major difference between the actual nothing background character and a fan's personal interpretations of said background character. In the end though, the problem definitely stems from misinterpretation and the lack of proper insight on the canonicity of the Thomas franchise and the source material. In a way...I kinda feel sorry for not just Awdry the misinterpretations of characters that were supposed to be very minor and not meant to think too much about, but also for T1E2H3. Yeah I do agree his series isn't perfect and there are flaws, but it's not like he could've known the consequences that would happen when he uploaded his fan series that included his personal fanmade interpretations on 98462 and 87546 as characters. I don't think he was even trying to force people to believe his fanmade series is canon nor the fact that 98462 is actually a psychopathic B12 that was driven to literal insanity. Yes he played a major role in the problem that was the misinterpretation of 98462...but I definitely don't think he was intentionally trying to mislead people, again this is supposed to be fan content and stories we're talking about and it's not like he was trying to tell people to adopt the same interpretations of 98462 as him. In a way, it was a situation, maybe at least partially, beyond his control and again he wouldn't any way of possibly knowing what would happen in the future at the time. Maybe this isn't an excuse per say, but it's an unfortunate possible reality. And yes, while the fanbase and people not familiar with Thomas that ended up believing this are also at fault for not doing any research... they may not necessarily be bad people per say, but it's safe to say they're just... misguided? This misunderstanding isn't just wrong, I think it's also quite depressing and...kinda tragic? I will say. Alfred may be a fanmade interpretation of 98462... but that doesn't meant 98462 is Alfred. Likewise for 87546, who isn't Crovan or Regaby. Some people out there just don't know how to separate personal fanmade personal interpretations and the actual source material, this is just as problematic as not being able to differentiate a chararacter and the actors portraying them.

My Ideal Loanded Goobers: 98462:Vincent Raven:LNER A2 No.2400 built in 1922 87546:William Fowler:SDJR Class 7F No.83 built in 1914 The First Red Engine:Lady Mary Marsh:LB&SCR H2 No.425 built in 1911 The Second Red Engine:Winnie Billinton:LB&SCR K Class No.338 built in 1913 The Green Engine:Casey Dean:GWR Dean Goods No.2580 built in 1899

In those illustrated of the cylinder could be 87456 Or Whatever.

What if he said welcome to the alfred era baby

People just don't know how to use 98462 lol

Alfred isn’t 98462 after so many years someone else agrees with me

What if mattel made some fan content in canon

my ideal 98462 and 87546 is from the middleton illustrations

Okay these videos on the loan engines have a simple explanation dalby did not give a single crap about the illustrations and just made a quick mock up and then the engines just never came back

I like to think alfred is that evil twin or clone that killed the real deal or hey but thats just a theory A TRAIN THEORY

What if 87546 got henry's cgi persona

It's really simple tho. Alfred is a B12 written by and created by a fan and 98462 is an unkown based engine who created by the reverend W awdry. basically Alfred is a b12 and 98462 is not goodnight everybody!. Still excited to watch ngl.

I can't wait to see this

i mean 98462 as a b12 is not a propblem i mean yes i know hes not a b12 buit there are alternate versions of him

Imagine id the tale of the bad engine had a post credit secne similar to the one from misty island rescue

Are people acoosianted with the middleton versión

I never believed 98462 was Alfred, Alfred is just Skarloey123's interpretation of 98462, in fact his version of 87546 is also a Holden B12. There is also the fact that they cant be a B12 because of their side rods, and also their running board. I think it's best to just imagine 98462 and 87546 as random engines from the LNER, or some other part of the Big Four.

I wonder what locomotive 98462 really is.

My take on Alfred is in LNER Green with Red Lining and NWR on his Tender and 8503 on his Cab How's that?

IM SORRY OK I WAS INFLUENCED THAT ALFRED WAS 98462 AS A CHILD FROM THE CHILDHOOD THOMAS MEDIA

3:34 98462 or Alfred hade no cylinders 4:14 now he them

i am 15 i love t1e2h3's channel ik alfred aint 98462 and i aint able to buy rws books

Are the brains of the engines inside their smokeboxes

im au for 98462 he was just sent away i did name him alfred in this au but the kamikazi stuff is to extreme also about the b12-b16 i just did not know that due to me not know alot about english trains due to me being american

Are alfred and chick hicks both villians that both suceded once later failed in case of chick he bumped the king of the track and for alfred's case he blew Knapford

4:34 Shouldnt this apply to gordon aswell?

Is the b16 take the b12 take 2.0

In my headcanon, alfred and 98462 are not the same, while alfred is kind and helpful b12, 98462 is arrogant and rude b16, after he caused an incident out side of crosby, he was sent to Barry scrap yard to be cut up

How did you did that sprite scene

Ok im am a kid but i red the books so 😊😊

Wait what if 98462 is Alfred just a different class

0:56 i laughed at the fail sound

Finally someone I can agree with,

Personally I think the engine in 4:07 is 87546. 98462 in the first illustration has no outside cylinders, while 87546 does. The lack of outside cylinders is why he's believed to be a B-12.

Does oliver productions rectons real life

I knew that he Is not even a b16

Yt is hiding some hearts

Do the b12s and b16s have similar smokeboxes

98462 is a B16 named Aleric

alfred is 98462 its just he has different colour paint job

Keep in mind that 98462 and Alfred are not the same entity, they are too COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS! Alfred was never intend to be 98462

3:28 why did you make that scene

Is 98462 name is Brandon....or 98462 name's are withdrawn, but oh well

Probaly 5 year olds be like: WHAT NOOOO I THOUGHT ALFRED IS 98462 :[

Bro can’t except anyone’s opinions💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

I prefer 98462 a character that was a nwr project but was soon scraped cuz he was a failure

Hmmm how about both Henry and 98462 were built by the same person

Yeah no. They are the same character, or at least versions of the same character. Just because the canon 98462 isn't Alfred doesn't mean Alfred isn't 98462 - the whole point of Alfred is that he's a more developed 98462. Yes, Alfred features traits 98462 doesn't have, but that still doesn't make them different characters. Is Enterprisingengine93 Bertram not Bertram because canon Bertram never spoke and didn't have EE93 Bertram's personality? Is TCC Diesel 10 not Diesel 10 because canon Diesel 10 didn't have a character arc and a relationship with Philip? Are all the fan versions of Thomas that are J50s or Jinties or whatever not Thomas because canon Thomas is an E2? Are fan versions of Big City Engine with a name not BCE because canon BCE doesn't have a name? Etc. Extra traits don't make a character a whole different character. Alfred having a different basis doesn't really mean anything because 1. a basis change doesn't mean it's a new character (see my J50/Jinty Thomas example), and 2. 98462 isn't based on anything so unless you're fine with him being a random freelance you have to change his basis. Same with the name (see my BCE example). And Alfred's personality is still based on 98462, it's just more exaggerated (see my Bertram example)

I am a 12 year old I read the RWS so I personally think these 2 alfred and 98462 are different engined as you said 1 is fan and 1 is official

I didn't even know this was a debate 🤣 dang (I'm not trying to slander you BTW I'm just being silly)

Can you please explain what a jobber is

98462 is a b12!😢😢😢

Why do you add subblites

98462 is a LNER B16

In my opinion Alfred is 98462

Don’t give me wrong, there are definitely people that think Alfred is canon, but I think most people just like the interpretation of 98462 as Alfred, even if it’s in accurate to the original lore.

Oh hey look there’s my comment. 😛 I personally disagree with being against the B16 (because it honestly works better than the B12, shape and timeline-wise imo), but we’re entitled to our opinions, so feel free to disagree.

Alfred isn't 98462, or atleast, not in the *actual* cannon of Tbomas and Friends. Not RWS, not in the model series and not in the cgi series. Alfred is a fan made character and serves fan head cannons. You want him to be 98462? That's just your cannon which is completely fine, but don't parade it around as fact and that Alfred is 98462 in the RWS, he isn't. I'd also like to add that using the illustrations to see 98462's actual bassis is not great. You made a point on how the running board is slopped not curved, the same could be argued for Gordon. The fact of the matter is that the RWS illustrations are not always correct like how they drew Henry's tunnel etc. Gordon is supposed to be an A1 but has so many differences he may as well be a different engine. My argument is that you can't rule out 98462 being a B16 because of the illustrations because the illustrations didn't have a good track record of being accurate anyways.

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