Alien 3 - Extended EEV sequence 

It is a bad film but this is my humble opinion only, I do not like the film but I am aware it has a cult following and many fans who would argue otherwise. I completely agree with your points raised about the feeling of the movie and how it would feel more at home following on from the original Alien rather than Aliens, and nothing was going to live up to James Camerons previous work which is easily one of the best films of the 1980s and is widely considered the best movie in the franchise, although the original Alien is my all time favourite because for me it manages to simultaneously be both one of the best sci-fi and horror films combined into one masterpiece, there just isn't anything else like it out there which is comparable. If there is, please let me know as I would love to check it out. My main problem with Alien 3 is the pacing, it could of been so much better if they turned up the terror and pacing when it was really needed, it could of been a roller coaster of a movie like the film before it, unfortunately it just doesn't happen. I know they are completely different films but there is a moment in Aliens where it gets "turned up to 11" so to speak and it is relentless, I wish this film did the same when it was needed. Instead Alien 3 plods along at the same mundane pace throughout the entire picture, yes deaths happen and there are moments of excitement, but afterwards it recedes back into it's own sedateness. If I could describe Alien 3 in one word it would be stale. I still commend it for being David Finchers directorial debut and risking taking the franchise in another experimental direction, I am still amazed at the fact they even managed to make a movie out of it at all, given all the script re writes and so on. Quite an achievement really, even if the end result is somewhat lukewarm compared to the previous instalments.

I love Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 each for their own things. Aliens is my personal favourite but I always disagreed with the criticism of Alien 3 being that Newt and Hicks died. I feel that this film has a finality to it for all the characters. Newt and Hicks dying was essential to Ripley’s story in this film. She loses everything just based on her life being tied to the xenomorph. And the xenomorph is just built to survive. It doesn’t care what it does as long as it’s race lives.

If talking about the assembly cut, it's a well engineered film. But it's just a terrible story. Just an Alien chasing Ripley in a penal colony, that's the freaking plot. Zero interest. A huge downgrade from what Aliens (1986) built.

Agreed underrated film

Agree completely.

Even though he never became a household name, the roles he did have (Terminator, Aliens, Tombstone, The Rock) were all very memorable.

Booze got him. It sucks, and it’s common.

@@benjaminperez7328 He had a stroke as well. But he's still doin fine. Sometimes pops into Doug Stanhope's podcast.

If worse comes to worst he can always get a job flipping burgers

If alien 3 had been the William Gibson screenplay, he probably would have been. Hicks was the lead in that. With the right director, I think it could have been better than what they went for. Interestingly, no Ripley in that screenplay. Originally Sigouney Weaver didn't want to be in a third film... until, well, she did.

Hicks is alive according to the video game, and thank god.

​@@GOKU_32 Yeah, but the canonicity of the game is very ambiguous....

tuat was newt

@@GOKU_32 A video game isn't cannon.

@@JAWS-dn8fm A video game very well is when the owners of the franchise say so.

The last loudmouth scream

its even more disturbing in the on set photo 😬😱💀

no shit the public didn't like it . who ever wrote that part , is an utter jerk

​@@torquetheprisoner deym.

It's so brutal

I liked it, but I was also sorely disappointed. Aliens, man. How do you fuck that up? Many directors and screenplays later... jeez. It showed. It was also very sad and a big fuxk you to the Aliens fanbase. It was a sequel to Alien, not Aliens. This is why Blomkamp had every right to ignore Alien 3 and do a sequel to the film of HIS choosing, like Fincher.

@@christianzilla I was always bothered by the stark difference in atmosphere of Aliens. It lacked the feel which I think it should have aimed to continue. Alien³, brought HR Giger aboard again and that's how I learned about him and realised aha that's what was missing. HR Giger was very keen to be involved with Aliens but was turned down by James Cameron. That was a mistake I feel, unless it resulted in creative clashes.

​@@christianzillafincher had next to no script time or money and had the studio breathing down his neck when he was making this movie.

@@torquetheprisoner yes, I heard it was a complete disaster of a production and not Fincher's fault at all. There were so many good ideas and leaks happening during the making of the film and none of them came to be in the film. I suspect it was a hot potato because of Aliens' success. I like Fincher for Fight Club the most. He is obviously a great director.

But the CGI was a bad idea. CGI Alien just looked off, way too smooth and shiny.

“Do you still Trust me me with a needle ?”

Dutton

A Lannister always pays his debts

You never saw The Golden Child?

@@susieq360 if a man needs to say he is the king, then he isn't the king.

@@RationalRage9 Nope he's dead. But the Dark Horse comics followed a different path, and it's really cool, Newt grows out of her trauma to join an old Hicks in a brutal new generation of Colonial Marines designed only to kill Xenos

​@@RationalRage9No true Alien fan considers that game to be canon. Hicks being alive is just cheap fan service.

I forgot you decide what fans should and shouldn't​ like@@joe-nz4xz

​@@joe-nz4xzyou're an automation fan liking whatever you're told.

Aliens is an insult to alien, but you don’t hear anybody ever bring that up. People need to get over newt and hicks dying. Alien3 is a great movie.

Not really​@@borbafatt

@@themonologuer do tell

Alien 3 is an insult to the franchise and should be removed from existence.

@@usmanakhtar1845 alien3 is the third best film in the franchise. Other than your feelings, use evidence to provide why it should be removed.

Interesting story!

I’m from Seaham and remember them filming down the blast, it took quite a few takes as the locals used to collect sea coal from there and sell it you’d see them pushing multiple bags on push bikes in the distance

Epic!!

What, they don't make crappy sci-fi movies anymore? What rock are you living under?

​@@fakirpoo Do I have to explain to you what I was conveying by how the intro makes me feel?

@@parkmallbaby you're the one who made the statement that they don't make sci-fi movies like this anymore.

@@fakirpoo I like the vibe in the intro and I personally like 3 because it goes back to its claustrophobic horror roots and the soundtrack is also amazing. That is all.

​@@fakirpooyeah,ok,calm down, we get it = YOU HATE A3 ! Chill down

And the cinematography

@@MrJohnybirchall They're a perfect combo.

Just like flatliners

@@RDXO17 Definitely.

The ost of alien 3 is definitely a character of the movie.

Blame Ridley Scott and his shity Covenant.

@@TheNowhereMan0 the rot started a few decades before that. Alien Isolation has a better story than most sequels to Alien. The part where they go back to the space jockey ship for instance. Amazing! But you have to play a game to see it. Big cinema has eaten itself.

@@christianzilla Ridley kills Blomkamp's Alien 5

Ridley Scott is an arrogant dick that has never acknowledged Cameron's achievements, instead, he has been producing terrible prequels.

Ridley became jealous of the traction Neil’s film was getting and demanded covenant be filmed instead. Neil was so disappointed and angry since Ridley has basically supported the vision he abandoned the project completely. The premise was hicks and ripley return to earth and confront the WY corporation and discover their harboring and experimenting on the xenos. It sounded great but Neil is still so bitter over the experience he’s stated several times that ship has sailed. What a lost opportunity 😢

I think the 2nd ended with a note of optimism

A cold and cruel universe

​@@francinocasieri5073 It did; what makes Alien 3 such an effective emotional gut-punch is how it turned out to be all for nothing.

@sakunysz Nope. It wasn't effective at being emotional or a gut-punch. It turned out to not bear sharp enough teeth; far too concerned with rehashing the elements of the original.

@sakunysz And yet still, ultimately, it wasn't all for nothing. It found itself ending on a note of optimism, after all... albeit a shakily awkward one. Ripley stepping into the whole trite "Christ figure sacrifice" gag had us feeling as if she at least WON and got revenge for all those she cared about that died along the way... along with the satisfaction of knowing that this species was FINALLY rid from the universe.

Well luckily people have different opinions and I personally thought this was what killed the series I thought this movie was utter trash and all the movie since then have not been the best although I will say covenant was really good and I enjoyed that a lot.

@Clark Kent alien 3 was nothing but artsy garbage and it was rewrotein 20 times with 15 different cuts and none of them are any good at least covenant had one decent cut and it wasn't a horrible movie.

The problem with Covenant & Prometheus besides the plot is the CGI. It's just not as real of a film as Aliens and Alien.

​@@bigdoinks69"artsy garbage"? Ok,everybody has their opinion... But Covenant good???? Now that must be a joke...

@@bigdoinks69 "Well luckily people have a different opinion"? Why luckily? Because it aligns with your view point? Not that many people do, they just see the good in Alien 3.

the couldive make a better movie, you know that. but they made this presion movie instead.

I'd rather have Alien 3 than that Prometheus/Covenant crap, that's for sure.

@@AugustoV8Cesar The prison idea is a good idea. There was some alternative script about a wooden planet which just sounds ridiculous. The problem with Alien 3 was not explaining how the Alien got on board in the first place, which I'm astonished no one seems to point out.

@@JAWS-dn8fm I would assume (and from what i've heard with theories) is that at the end of Aliens the queen snuck an egg onto the ship because Ripley destroyed the hive. I think the queen did this to save the hive and keep the species alive which is why the alien inside Ripley in this film was a queen alien instead of a normal chestburster.

since Bishop was essentially an emergency pilot for the Sulacco maybe there was a second android onboard, with a mission to retrieve an egg & bring it back to the ship. since the marines didn't wake up until they reached LV426 maybe the actual Bishop went down there & got an egg. if theinstruction self deleted after completing the task Bishop wouldn't even know he'd been there. most likely when Bishop was crawling through the pipe to get to an uplink tower he had time to find an egg & stash it. they showed Ash got instructions from WY so Bishop could be receiving new instructions when he re-established a link with the Sulacco & Wayland Corp. or. most likely.the queen laid an egg before Ripley killed it. the Royal Facehugger could create a starter colony - since there's a Queen & drone egg in one cute little hugger

Alien is a horror movie, the universe is dark, unforgiving and cruel. It's sad that both died, but the trauma ripely experiences as a result of newts death is central to her persona throughout the movie.

Just look at Hicks…he was impaled so bad that you couldn’t make out his face.

That shot of her face frozen in terror is horrifying 😱

@@SolarDragon1000well said I think it fits the the world and Ripleys trauma

​@@SolarDragon1000yes alien is a horror movie and the world is dark and depressing, but if the cat manages to live in the first movie (and not die in the second), and the second movie manages to end on a sort of hopeful tone, that sort of proves that good things can happen right?

Agreed. I think the reshoots gives a more effective and dramatic touch to the EEV scenes were you get a proper view of what happened to everyone inside the EEV. And the assembly footage also provides a good view from outside. You dont want to miss either of those.

if you guys watch the workprint version there is an extended scene where Ripley plugs Bishop back to life and he confesses her he took the egg back to the Sulaco for further research. Since he was a Weyland Yutani android he had a secondary objective programmed in him to retrieve specimens unbeknownst to the rest of the crew. It's a shame they took that scene out of both cuts, it would finally answered how the egg ended up in the ship which had everyone debating about it for years.

@@acfan8253 fuck me. I did not know that

@@acfan8253 where can I find this?

Yes agreed.

I'm on both sides of this issue. I won't say Alien 3 doesn't have merit because it does and frankly the film has no right to be as good as it is given the hell the production went through and the assembly cut is closer to Fincher's original vision but on the other side, Aliens was about Ripley having a family again, a theme that resonates throughout from when she sees her daughter died of old age while she was in hypersleep, to the idea of Hicks and Newt being a tether in a world she no longer knows. Then comes Alien 3 to kick you in the balls and says "Yeah but that's not how the story goes." The movie feels like one long tragedy for Ripley as once again, the aliens have taken everything she cared about then finds out she has one gestating inside her. There is no happy ending for her and her ending is dying and taking the queen chestburster with her to spite the company.

It's a decent movie. A little depressesing but that doesn't make it bad. I just don't think it is a very good sequel.

David Fincher is a great director I remember he was getting a heap of flack when this film was released and Sigourney Weaver came out swinging for him basically saying he had a lot of studio interference and to mark her words some day the world is going to see how good he really is.

Still don’t get it how facehugger showed up

A good movie still comes out every once in a while.

Time ?

@@1994glg 3:13

Not really, because doesn't the Face Hugger die off after it impregnates its host? What's it doing running around forever face hugging and planting eggs in everything? I don't think that's how the canon goes.

​@@1994glgthey replaced it with a cow later on

@@jrag1000 actually it was suppose to be a queen face hugger, it lays a queen embryo in one host, and lays a drone in another, to prepare a hive for the queen.

Dylan had one of the most badass death scenes in sci-fi history.

Charles Dance

Basically - because they had to do it themselves. With progress of Technology ― it becomes increasingly more expensive(mostly with relation to Time) to not just use a low quality Effect(CGI etc). The same is true for everything else ― everything becomes low quality. It's the Low Equilibrium - docs.google.com/document/d/1GCJlCn844x62IaP4ce2ADSu1M7cfMjLyrcZ0QqwdHAo/edit?usp=sharing

Realistic lmao what an idiotic thing to say

"old"... give me a break.

​@@conatcha🙂👍👍👍

Oh please 😅

Absolutely!! People love to hate on this film because it's not Aliens 2.5 but the dark and depressing vibes are incredible.

David Fincher doesn’t disappoint with the dark themes.

I didn't really care for it, it was trying to be something that wasn't which was dark pretentious garbage.

@VV no kidding and it's always wannabe film guru's. The film tried to be artsy it tried to include a religious antidote and it failed miserably on all levels,I will say Charles S. Dutton's performance and Charles Dances performances were fantastic, although Charles dance should have been given more screen time, as far as the rest of the movie it was quite forgetable and pretty bad. They never really knew where they wanted to take the direction of the movie they couldn't even decide what the facehugger was going to burst out of, it's different in multiple versions of the movie that's how you know that the movie had no continuity.

I loved this movie the first time I watched it.

Interesting… I love the Snyder cut. I also like both versions of Alien 3. I feel they both have good and bad points. At least the theatrical cut didn’t destroy the movie or turn it into a silly joke like they did with JL though. I like the chest bursts ray the end of the theatrical and the dog scene too. I always feel fincher is too critical of the movie.

One of many plotholes

And the only reason they did this is because they couldn't get Hicks & Newt's actors in this film (srs).

Idk, Newt was saved from a horrific death. Only to be placed into a less horrific death

@@milkman9560 she was a loudmouthed brat anyhoo

@@tsitracommunications2884 how tf? Her screaming a the sight of a horrific alien = loudmouth

@@milkman9560 yup. It's a wonder she didn't shred her voice cords

Too much controversy with Alien 3, killing Hicks and Newt was one of the biggest mistakes in cinema history and everyone for the most part agrees.

@@HellRaider19 Getting rid of dead weight is a mistake?

@@ShadowSonic2 I can't say Hicks or Newt would be considered dead weight, as they gave Ripley that nuclear family feel.

​@@HellRaider19She didn't need that.

@@ShadowSonic2 maybe, maybe not. The xenomorph threat is tough for multiple people to deal with let alone one. I suppose it depends on what route you wanna go, action or horror.

Lets stay frosty! Yeah i wish that Alien 5 version where he was back was still under development

@@usgpillarofark3980 Disney might bring that back since they own the franchise now. Never say never. They saw how Covenant underperformed and Star Wars is pretty much on hiatus right now so they need something to make some $$$ now. Would be a good way for Disney to earn some good will if they decided to actually give the fans what they want ie a good Alien film for once that actually is on the same level of Alien and Aliens.

@@alucard624 With the right people involved that could be great. Though ill never trust Disney for such a projekt lol

​@@usgpillarofark3980 I'm kinda glad that didn't happen considering Blomkamp has made District 9, 3 times now. That film would have just been another District 9 wrapped in aliens nostalgia. I have my issue's with this film, a lot of decisions where dumb but I've gotten over it and started to appreciate the good parts of film. If they do make an Alien 5 I'd rather they just move on with new characters instead of digging up dead ones and giving us a "how it should have ended" ending for them. Those types of films just feel like fan films with a budget.

@@topknot01 Fair point. I didnt like Districy 9 honestly plus Alien 3 has its fanbase. Though the movie has been rewritten so many times its easy to imagine a different product. And with the current state of modern cinema...It will never be good...

Exactly also with hicks and Ridley building a duo and then newt to tag along just for it to all be trashed off the bat of the start

Like if newt got taken off world in a escape vessel mid way and Ripley says “I was here when it all started I’m not leaving till it’s done “ then shuts the ship door on newt and says something like “it’s see you soon baby” and obviously hicks says something like “I’m right here beside you” and like dies at the end I would have been fine with that but no just chop liver off the top of the movie.

Sadly that’s life sometimes. Things can catastrophically go wrong.

Newt was a useless loudmouthed brat that was deadweight for ripley

Because they weren't real characters, they were just plot devices

@@RationalRage9 Correct. Thats why the third movie makes no sense.

Its not clear since they dont show the entire row of cryotubes in either version. Hicks and Bishop are in the same place. Since Ripley is alive in the theatrical cut I removed that part to keep it similar. Newt should be closest to the door if I remember Aliens correctly and Ripley after that and then Hicks and Bishop.

@@daveruda yes but everybody forgets that the cryo-tubes were evacuated to the escape pod and they may have not ended up in the same position as they were in the spaceship.

Emergency Execution Vehicle

Believe me, you WON'T want to know. When I saw that part on 2:34, as I was getting ready to go to bed, I had to look away, because it nearly gave me nightmares.

he was impaled through his head & chest by a support beam.. :/

It was not Hicks. If you play the game Aliens: Colonial Marines

Hot Trash Alien 3 doesn't exist. Hicks is alive

For now that's actually canon too until Disney (yep, Disney is now in charge of this franchise since they bought 20th Century Fox) says otherwise. Apparently they have plans for both Alien and Predator with new films in the works but nothing concrete right now. Hopefully they forego any more prequels with Ridley Scott and do something else with Alien since Covenant was meh.

@@alucard624 Covenant was so meh I’m not sure they will make more Alien movies. I heard there was an Aliens TV show that might happen.

@@Nflguy4949 really wish it’s a sci fi horror like the original Alien movie, instead of talking about creators those things

@@alucard624 Disney? They'll fuck it up.

That game isn't canon and it was trash so who cares

That movie started out okay, but if the last 1/3 of that movie wasn't a pile of schlock I dunno what is. I remember thinking around like the 70 minute mark, "OMG WOULD YOU JUST END ALREADY!?" Like it just kept going and going and going... and I'm assuming the studio execs at some point or Ridley was like, "Oh, you have to include references and callouts to Aliens, Alien: Resurrection, Prometheus and Covenant btw... so if you could just get on that..." You can actually see the color tone around the last 1/3 of the film switch from the early on red hue to like a blue/Aliens like hue. I have to imagine it was reshot.

All true my friend

Best in the franchise and my top 5 sci-fi films of all time. Much like the prequels and many other films like them, it was destined for what it became due to the majority audience and what they want out of a movie. Shame really.

@hazchem1 "Best" in the franchise? 😂😂😂🤣

@@hazchem1it’s poo …. A dark cold dusty big poo

Newt sucked

It was a Superfacehugger, they can implant more than 1 alien in different hosts

It's not a happy franchise, never was, get over it

@@my2randomcents the entire point of those characters surviving at the end of the second film was to bring them back in later sequels, and this completely defeats that and rubs it in your face.

@@Supasmartguy that wasn't the"point"tho there was no plan for future sequels, nor was it meant to become a"marvelish"franchise, alien 3 happened after they wanted to move back to the dreary and realistic traits of the universe

@@my2randomcents they absolutely had plans for future sequels. Alien 3 was in development hell since almost immediately after Aliens released. It went through so many script changes and rewrites that basically none of its original plot remained. This is proven by the fact that the film's first poster promised that the film would be set on Earth.

Regardless. I still love this movie and don’t mind the darkness of this sequence.

Yeah. Alien 3 and Resurrection shouldve been nothing more than bad dreams. Heck, you could even throw in a few actors from those movies that Ripley sees in her day to day life... like Ron Perlman. Take the whole dream concept really seriously

Newt is a brat anyhoo

@@LukeLovesRose No, that's lazy

@@ShadowSonic2 No. Its called replacing whats broken

@@tsitracommunications2884 This guy is literally going into any comment thread that mentions Newt and makes the comment he just made. Get a life dude.

I think youd best close the comment section its getting out of hand and not all of the posts is my doing

Two very bad movies, average acting and stupid characters.

Such is life. -Ned Kelly

True, but my guess would be that eventually it would happen because another ship would get the distress signal from LV-426 and the same thing would probably happen if she died.

It was only a matter of time Ripley or not

Hicks an newt the brat died so ripley could live

How about there shouldnt be an alien 3 and Newt, Ripley and Hicks survived and reach planet Earth.

And Bishop, Hicks and Ripley

it's got some of the worst cgi ever.

​@@OGboxing...it has NO cgi of whatsoever! What r u on about? Watch the "making of" Alien3,and you'll find that there's only 1 cgi scene in all the film,and that is the ending shot where alien jumps out of the lead,and into the sprinkled water,and his head "en-crusts" then explodes! That is it. Now therest of the scenes where alien looks crappy (it really does) is not cgi,but composing separate shots of rod-operated creature blended into film.

look harder @@leonefurlan137

@mattlawrence1932 hello there anyway The Thing (1982) is my number 1 favorite sci-fi horror movie and Alien (1979) is my second favorite sci-fi horror movie and Aliens (1986) is my favorite third sci-fi action and horror movie and Alien 3 (1992) is my 4th favorite sci-fi horror movie and Alien Resurrection (1997) my 5th favorite sci-fi horror movie as well:).

A safety beam ironically crushed his head

@@Thunderchild-gz4gc Thanks !

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all they need is to put the alien coming out of her chest in to the assembly cut that would of made the film perfect

Obv trying to comfort her. This open scene sticks with me for a number of reasons

@@ChakLok appreciate the kind words. Don't wish that on anyone. And sorry if I ruined a portion of the film for you, wasn't my intent.

@@mynameisinigomontoya8179all is ok you just gave me a new perspective on hicks body.