Alien Lore: The Engineers Explained (Space Jockey) 

Keeping up with the Malachaians!

Yeah it was a stretch but I did enjoy how it brought that story ark full circle considering the berating Weyland gave David about the limitations of androids. Also if I remember correctly David just tweeked the engineer created xenomorphs into the relentless killing machines they were in the later timeline. But I understand where you're coming from, my lore rage came to a head with Alien Resurrection, wow what an inconsistent mess, interesting ideas but the execution was sloppy at best.

Basically making the alien something that was, by extension, man-made, COMPLETELY destroys any sense of wonder or imagination the original films had (especially the first one). The first mistake was attempting to explain them at all, and the second was deviating SO far from the original concept. I went to see Prometheus on opening night, and was pretty much disgusted with it, I have not bothered to watch Covenant, and probably never will.

Yep, embarrassing, but then so was the killing off of Shaw and doubling down on the whole black xenomorph running around, Ridley pretending the humanoids in Covenant were Engineers (clearly not) because they'd changed the plot later (clearly they are another seed race not Engineers) and having more embarrassing character choices in Covenant.

Same that really annoyed me, i was always fascinated by the Engineers/Space Jockeys and really liked Ridley Scott coming back to the Alien franchise and exploring them and i think he got off to a really solid start with Prometheus. But yeh he really dropped the ball in eluding to the idea that David created the Xenos, that idea is totally stupid. And Ridley even contradicts his own lore and things he appears to have set up in Prometheus. Like what exactly was chasing the Engineers all through that big corridor and we clearly see the last one at the back of that group looks behind him, to see if whatever it is, is still chasing them. Then they reach that giant door where one of them succumbed to the infection, and fell just as the containment door was shut on them, decapitating their head. Then when we get to the Orrery chamber, where David boots up the holographic orrery display; you can just about see burn holes in the Engineer's hypersleep chambers. And whats interesting about this part in the movie is if you watch the beginning of that scene while listening to the director's commentary, Ridley Scott says the following - "something happened, i don't want to get into it" then gets back onto the other things he was talking about, this shows Ridley had something planned out already to do with the whole backstory of what exactly happened during that outbreak on LV-223. One of the biggest complaints made by fans toward Prometheus (aside from dumb scientists and the engineers looking like giant albinos) is that the movie never specifically featured any "Alien/Xenos". But the Xenomorphs were clearly a prominent feature the backstory and main result of what came from the Engineer's research & experimentation at the LV-223 facility. i.imgur.com/RtA3j.jpg This image clearly shows how those other Engineers died in their hypersleep pods, they were impregnated by somekind of either facehugger, or possibly a trilobite type creature, and eventually chest-bursted. Which means whatever burst out of them, judging by the image there was alteast one, and it was somekind of "Xenomorph"; and i believe it chased those Engineers down that corridor, only the reason why we only see them and not the Xenomorphic creature itself, is because someone deleted part of that holographic footage. Remember when David activates the control panel? He touches this strange, thick gooey substance, presses the substance between his thumb and finger, the camera cuts to a shot real close, showing all the tiny particles in that substance as David seemingly sniffs it. The reason why i go into great detail here to point all these things out, is because that image and all the little things (most people dissmiss and just ignore) we see throughout the movie; like that green crystal-like rock on that plinith underneath the mural of what looks just like the Deacon; All these things make up a rough picture of what that place is purely about and what the Engineers were doing there. And most importantly, that image i shared in the link proves Ridley always intended to have Alien Xenos at the heart of the backstory of the LV-223 outbreak. The idea of David creating the Xenos really erked me for some time after seeing the somewhat disappointing Alien Covenant. But i have since came to the conclusion in my own mind, that David didn't "create" the Xenos period. He merely, replicated or cloned them. David did what John Hammond was able to do in the Jurassic Park film. Only where Hammond's cloned Raptors did'nt have the full DNA sequence coding, that was filled in by his use of frog DNA; which results in Hammond's Raptors having no feathers at all (which scientists do claim actual raptors would have had some feathers on certain areas of their body). David's Xenomorph he clones and is able to "recreate" through use of Shaw's body (more specifically her regenerated womb), bares similiarities to the pure Xeno that originates from the egg of the facehugger from those original Xeno eggs found on the "Derelict ship" in ALIEN. So all David did was essentially re-create the Xenomorphic creature that already existed and originally killed the Space Jockey pilot that was discovered in Alien. Sorry for the eassy lol.

Making the Space Jockey just another humanoid, destroyed ALL the otherworldly mystery, that the huge 18' foot tall elephantine sentinel from the 79' film brought to the Franchise.

It's irrelevant what it says in the comics.

Background music is terrible and i dont know why creators think its needed in videos. I have hearing issues and background music makes it near impossible for me to understand what she is saying.

@@madjamjar Quit bitching or leave. These videos are great. The background music is awesome, you suck.

Thank you!

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The wiki says 150

@@NerdCookies In the original script, the conversation being translated by David between the Engineer and the humans is much longer, 5 pages of dialog. It is stated that for Engineers, verbal communication takes hundreds of years off of their lives, so they don't speak much. This is why the Engineer looks so drained when talking in the movie. David also controls the conversation by only translating portions of what each party wanted to say to each other, leading Weyland to believe that the Engineer would give him longer life. By limiting what he translated from English to protoindoeuropean, he was also purposefully letting the Engineer's negative opinion of humanity be reinforced. It is also revealed that Jesus was taken to the Engineer's home world as a child to train him to curb humanity's aggressive nature. Here is a video on the script: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rFjTxnb2l04.html The translation of this scene starts about half way through.

No they don't live for tens of thousands of years.

Ah my bad in the documentary prometheus-the furious gods it says hundreds of thousands of years in the original drafts.

There is an Alien TV series?

Yes just rehash Alien 1 DONT TOUCH OUR SACRED COW.

Excellent comment,very well thought out and thought provoking, now I have to watch Alien again.... which is no chore at all :)

No it isn't. That's the comics.

They should if there's any justice in this world.

How to make an Alien Woke?, Cant wait to see.

worse yet,singing Xenos...

@@dbsthumper yay! Aliens the Musical.

@@cyborgbadger1015 yeah,can't wait for the "chest buster" or "I have acid for blood" tunes,lol...

Yeah pretty interesting timing there 🤔 Thanks Leo! ❤

This is why I wish Fox finds some really great writers to cement and clear up all this movie lore into various series like the Disney Star Wars universe. They could make a killing if they continued to combine the Predator and Alien Queen story lines with the now space capable humans in a consistent space opera series of shows and movies. Then throw in various appearances by some Engineers who survived the purge and other advanced species to make things interesting.

@@anydaynow01 Jesus wept.

I remember hearing somewhere that Jesus wasn't an engineer but a human who they'd taught a certain philosophy to - that they'd imagined a certain lifestyle for humanity and Jesus was one of their missionaries, so to speak, and when they found out that this philosophy had been rejected and Jesus crucified ,they were enraged and that was what decided our fate

Many think Ridley Scott already did 😆

@@NerdCookies I'm one of them. :)

There were a few in the crowd in Covenant.

@@NerdCookies Yes, but according to Alien purists those were not true engineers but a different race.

An excellent question. As the females (and males) seen on the world in Covenant are not engineers we can't obviously include them either.