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Alienware Laptop vs POWER SURGE - Can I Fix It? 

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@seguramlk
@seguramlk 2 года назад
Seeing an expert saying he's not an good at BGA chips is refreshing for us beginners to know that even experts have their weaker points. Superb video, man 👏👏👏👏👏
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
I'm an expert with some game console repairs but definitely not with laptops. Large BGA chips can be very difficult to work with
@viliusjokubaitis2114
@viliusjokubaitis2114 2 года назад
@@Tronicsfix dont lie to us, i understood nothing but maybe one day.
@FKJBSDK
@FKJBSDK 2 года назад
@@Tronicsfix ahh you just being humble man and we love you for that 🙂
@billywithak341
@billywithak341 2 года назад
Most experts can’t do large bga chips anyways without machine help
@seguramlk
@seguramlk 2 года назад
@@Tronicsfix indeed
@manuel-3500
@manuel-3500 2 года назад
sadly it's impossible to get full datasheets so you did a great job identifying most of the problems, without new spare parts too
@amadisdegaula1411
@amadisdegaula1411 2 года назад
Damn, this fix complexity is quite above the usual problems that you have shown us lately. It was great to see you go into the more technical problems of faulty chips in boards but everything has a limit. Great video as always mate!
@ElReliable
@ElReliable 2 года назад
Everything from your shirt, to the animations you do for the PERFECT amount of thermal paste, your professionalism, and your since of humor is why I watch all your videos! Keep up the great work
@TheCod3r
@TheCod3r 2 года назад
Good stuff Steve, sad to see this die. If you want to sell this as is I'd take it just to have a crack at it for a video 😉
@liberalminded1
@liberalminded1 2 года назад
And I'd be there to watch the stream! Love yours and Steve's content. Best on the net.
@Showstopper108
@Showstopper108 2 года назад
Mmmmmm
@tomasfaria6461
@tomasfaria6461 2 года назад
Pls do it. I would watch it.
@damilugano9047
@damilugano9047 2 года назад
This past feww days I've been watching a lot of your videos while I study. It's pretty relaxing to me. Great video btw. Cheers
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Glad to hear it! Thanks for the comment
@therepairsloth
@therepairsloth 2 года назад
Those types of locking tab and connector are the bane of my existence, especially the incredibly small ones on the Nintendo 2DS. Those tabs pop off so easily, but don't reattach at all. What would you suggest in a situation like that? Great video, as usual, though. I love learning, and being inspired to work, from your videos.
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Usually you can slip them back on but it's not easy and takes a lot of patience
@timothygrashaw5233
@timothygrashaw5233 2 года назад
I feel that! My first time in a joycon I broke one of those locking tabs. I couldn't find a solution on google so I just had to junk the board. It broke with the tiniest amount of force. It was insane.
@TheSpotify95
@TheSpotify95 2 года назад
Sounds like there is a short circuit somewhere deeper inside the laptop. best thing to do is get some jumper wires onto the board (which bypasses the DC jack and power limiting software) and inject voltage until whatever is shorted heats up.
@310_Latchkey_kid
@310_Latchkey_kid 2 года назад
That's one of the main reasons I love watching your channel you don't pretend to know it all!!
@kumu2024
@kumu2024 2 года назад
Regarding laptop repairs, There are many custom-made chips that you never ever find anything on the net. The biggest problem is the spareparts. You cannot find them either. So, laptop repair means having alot of doner boards. For apple computers that might be possible but for other brands that is just not possible. BGA is a big problem. Even if you fix, you might damage components on the other side. It is double sided and other BGAs on the other side might be affected.
@DanielThomason
@DanielThomason 2 года назад
The holy music for the thermal paste was a great touch
@fahdthejedi
@fahdthejedi 2 года назад
Nice work, sometimes it’s hard to fix, but you rock
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Hey thanks!
@Seroku03
@Seroku03 2 года назад
10 out of 10 Entertaining, Informative, Charismatic... what else to ask the is! You are crazy good bro! Keep up the good vibes and lets save the broken tech 1 at the time!
@stevenc22
@stevenc22 2 года назад
lithium ion batteries are often shown at their median voltage, not their max voltage. that battery is a 3p battery. 3x4.2 max voltage is 12.6. Median is 3x3.7 is 11.1v
@krisd1000
@krisd1000 2 года назад
This is a HV battery. 11.4V = 3.8 x 3. The max charge for that battery should be 13.05V. It will say somewhere in the battery, it can also be 13.20V
@MirceaD28
@MirceaD28 2 года назад
Send this laptop to the The Cod3r as a repair challenge. Locking tab are easy to replace from one connector to another. In your case the locking metal side plates form the outside hinge and needs to be bent a little outside to free the plastic pins.
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
You do if the connector itself is broken
@HAMOUDASCRAFTS
@HAMOUDASCRAFTS 2 года назад
The best repairing channel 👑 Your follower from Algeria 🇩🇿
@Igbf
@Igbf 2 года назад
Regarding the battery, it is usual for the manufacturer to specify the nominal voltage (in your case 11.4V), which is simply kinda an "average" value, used to calculate the amount of energy stored in Wh (proper way is to integrate the voltage curve from full to empty, but an average works fine), just doing [nominal voltage] x [cell capacity in Ah]. The usual nominal voltage por LiPo and LiIon batteries is 3.7 volts per cell, so 11.1V on a 3S battery. When dealing with HV batteries, this nominal voltage can be a tad higher, so it is not rare to see values like 3.8V/cell (so 11.4V). However since the topping voltage is 12.6V from the schematic I assume in this case alienware is overly optimistic, because that is not HV topping voltage, is standard full cell voltage (4.2V/cell). That battery should probably have a nominal voltage of 11.1V too in order to give a proper Wh estimate, but w/e. So... well, both of the batteries looked fine to me. I see you traced down a problem with the charging IC and replaced it. Sadly no happy ending!
@vincentcloud
@vincentcloud 2 года назад
Great video, hate see that even with your great expertise you cannot fix it. Always enjoyable and informative keep up on the excellent content you provide.
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
So glad you enjoyed it!
@swish843
@swish843 2 года назад
I commend your efforts in trying to fix this fella.
@gamerfan3520
@gamerfan3520 2 года назад
Nice working on those laptops! Keep it up!
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Thanks, will do!
@Karthor.
@Karthor. 2 года назад
On the battery they mean the nominal voltage of 3.8V * 3 cells (11.4V), fully charged would be 4.2 * 3 (12.6V)
@dedr4m
@dedr4m 2 года назад
Also many laptops use what they call LiHV cells that are regular Lithium cells with chemistries to increase service life when charged to 4.4V/cell with a total of 13.2V... Though I'm charging a modded phone battery moto-mod attachment where I use a 4.2V cell at 4.35V and researching let me know that the 4.4v is an upper-limit thing that gives more capacity with reducing capacity by a third (200 cycles versus 300 cycles service life). Most laptops that have LiHV cells seems to report a 12.9v peak charging when polling the device directly (Something Linux allows in most cases, except peasant-grade HP laptops et least) It seems that they choose 4.3v/cell for some safety margin and to give a few more cycles service life. It also explains part of why laptop batteries from 2008 can often still give 80% its design capacity and yet a battery from laptops of the 2016 and newer often don't hold charge well or swell up.
@Karthor.
@Karthor. 2 года назад
@@dedr4m Oh interesting, never heard of LiHV before
@a.mgaming3418
@a.mgaming3418 2 года назад
Wonder if the power surge board could be used to repair the donor board, depending on its problem?
@liridongjokaj9861
@liridongjokaj9861 2 года назад
For the ball chip thing when i was young i used to work for a phone repair shop most of the times we fixed them by heating them up and just moving it a little so if any ball was connected it got fixed(usually) so you should try at least that maybe
@BAERnado
@BAERnado 2 года назад
You mean reflowing. Steve did that at some approaches of the Switch for instance however I cannot remember it being helpful in any of his videos.
@liridongjokaj9861
@liridongjokaj9861 2 года назад
@@BAERnado I don't know if it helped on his videos but we used to do it on the old phones until 2009 when i left. Putting flux on all the sides and heating it until you can move it just a little with a tiny touch and then try. And plenty of times it was fixed(other times not). Sometimes we removed them completely and put them back again after cleaning the board unless we broke it 🤣 but still i think its worth a try since it doesnt take more than 5 minutes
@vezokpiraka
@vezokpiraka 2 года назад
Even if you could buy the chip, there's no way you could also program it with the required code. It looked like some kind of micro. So a donor board was the only possibility to fix it.
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Yep
@commanderkeen3787
@commanderkeen3787 2 года назад
SPOILER ALERT
@brandodurano2055
@brandodurano2055 2 года назад
@@commanderkeen3787 Too late for that!!!
@kikihun9726
@kikihun9726 2 года назад
The enable signal is disabled when below 0.5v and turned on above 1.5v. Checked the datasheet and compared to others from the manufacturer.
@kikihun9726
@kikihun9726 2 года назад
So something is pulling the output down and tripping the over current protection.
@kikihun9726
@kikihun9726 2 года назад
Or the reference is bad
@andrasszabo7386
@andrasszabo7386 2 года назад
I don't know if that laptop has a battery or not. But I would disconnect it if I were you, Steve. I have learned this the expensive way by having to repair an LVDS screen cable, and the LCD power supply circuit. And in the end if it is not fixable, send it to Northridge Fix. Alex does work on small BGA chips.
@n4_ku
@n4_ku 2 года назад
You don't need a BGA station to replace that chip. I hate to see you give up when you've come so far.
@typhdecker4099
@typhdecker4099 2 года назад
Maybe you aren't an expert with laptops, but you are a master applying the perfect amount of thermal paste on any device ;3
@ThatPhilBurgGuy
@ThatPhilBurgGuy 2 года назад
The battery voltage on the actual battery being different from the schematic may be just discharged vs charged voltages. Sounds like a HV 3s battery.
@JeffreyGroves
@JeffreyGroves 2 года назад
That white component near the internal connector looks like a fuse. Did you check whether that fuse was popped?
@dangriggs617
@dangriggs617 2 года назад
good video. I had hi hopes on this one. you were making some really good progress. i wish you would have tried to reflow that last chip.
@FrostedSwagger
@FrostedSwagger 2 года назад
i love your videos you helped me fix one of my ps5s and other stuff i put my dad on your channel to watch you he likes your videos to
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
So great to hear!
@mosae2225
@mosae2225 2 года назад
I wish you could have fixed that laptop that would have been so cool to see working
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
I know, right?!
@raptorthegamer01
@raptorthegamer01 2 года назад
Plugging in and waiting for explosion suddenly remembers me electroboom😂
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Ha, ha, his channel is great!
@raptorthegamer01
@raptorthegamer01 2 года назад
@@Tronicsfix you too bro as an electronics lover I'm studying new things from both channels huge respect for both of you guys🥰
@Sacren365
@Sacren365 2 года назад
Is it possible that a resistor leading to the 5V was broken in the the surge? I dealt with a board at work earlier that had to many volts put through it and caused the resistors to crack. Of course it would be hell to track down a pin size hole or hair line fracture on *at least* one of several resistors. Are you able to check any of the parts connected to that leg of the chip using the schematic? Or would that be a waste of time?
@BAERnado
@BAERnado 2 года назад
Honestly I like your approach on stuff you are not familiar with to broaden your and our views. I would like to see you tapping on reballing though. I believe with your skillset it will be like any other journey starting with one step at a time. Basically there is nothing to lose but much to gain.
@SuperstockLX
@SuperstockLX 2 года назад
I think the chip replaced creates 2 voltages output. 3.5V (3v5). 5V. Typically the enable lines should have around 3v. Not sure if they are all enable high or enable low (en_l).
@lukehyoshy
@lukehyoshy 2 года назад
It was a good race, it's sad to see that it's not possible to fix it. But it was really interesting to see the complexity of boards like this.
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Yes, such a bummer
@carlostrevino8248
@carlostrevino8248 2 года назад
great class.... sorry for the laptop.....
@carlostrevino8248
@carlostrevino8248 2 года назад
💯
@geegus
@geegus 2 года назад
Great work! I always learn something new as you are learning.
@pjmtrmcjm
@pjmtrmcjm 2 года назад
I spit out my coffee on the perfect thermal paste glow and music!
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Lol!
@furtalance_x
@furtalance_x 2 года назад
Oh man I was really hopefull. Very Very goof try though Tronics.
@mulumbacephas5036
@mulumbacephas5036 2 года назад
Tough luck Steve next time.nice video
@valtersITeu
@valtersITeu 2 года назад
I like the videos where you also show for how much you can sell it.
@triplexdread
@triplexdread 2 года назад
That PL501 coil looks very discoloured on top edge..Did you not try it?
@jamesa4958
@jamesa4958 2 года назад
Awesome. Very educational. Thank you
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@nym7973
@nym7973 2 года назад
Watching this on my own m15xr4 laptop. I'll takes notes for the future, lol.
@jimmysmantzas
@jimmysmantzas 2 года назад
if you buy a chip to replace it it will be preballed so you could try and replace it with hot air, you don't need to reball anything, you can do it, i believe in you😁
@donnyfinney9389
@donnyfinney9389 2 года назад
I love your videos Steve keep up the good work
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Glad you like them!
@mamaluxmamaluxian2047
@mamaluxmamaluxian2047 2 года назад
for last step can inject 5v to rail with low amp
@bluebearyt12
@bluebearyt12 2 года назад
Well you'll be a laptop expert soon enough when you try to repair more and more in the future
@PurpleSanz
@PurpleSanz 2 года назад
6:14 This is what we are all here for. You too, don't you dare to deny it.
@lordmmx1303
@lordmmx1303 2 года назад
always measure 5V and 3.3V on coils. if they are present, laptop should turn on. or at least LEDs should show something. if not, bios may be dead - reflashing will fix issue.
@caphowdy666
@caphowdy666 2 года назад
Said it before and will say it again, I do not understand why in the US, people pay so much for what is sold as "spares or repair". There is zero guarantee these things are fixable, and like with this board, even re-selling for spares is gonna be tough as you have no idea what is still useable other than the most obvious things that are not electrical. Here in the UK, you would take a risk at £100 maybe, but no way would you spend £300 on a spares or repair item, even if it's potential value is £700. It's like a form of gambling.
@mikrr2175
@mikrr2175 2 года назад
Interesting, I though PSU would protect against power serges, is it now??
@hannescampidell
@hannescampidell 2 года назад
a li-po 3s battery fully charged has 12.6 volts and avg 11.4 so schematic and labeling were right
@suryavanshib
@suryavanshib 2 года назад
Awesome try✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@aroundtheblockwithbrock4799
@aroundtheblockwithbrock4799 2 года назад
Dang I was hoping it was going to get fixed lol either way loved the video keep it up
@dertwerst
@dertwerst 2 года назад
Aw, that ending felt like what was coming but I hoped you'd get lucky. Good try Steve!
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
I was hoping I'd be able to fix this one to, but alas
@timehunter9467
@timehunter9467 2 года назад
Wow, if I had an expensive laptop like that it’d be on a surge protected extension cord.
@benthebossjackson4388
@benthebossjackson4388 2 года назад
I think the problem is - you fixed the mosfet . but you will also have put it into security mode... frozen bios ... it will act like macbooks and just lock out. replace the bios chip... then u should see it come back to life :)
@fra1111089
@fra1111089 2 года назад
Why haven't check the board current absorbing with an inject voltage tool? The with a termal camera you could diagnose it very fast
@Showstopper108
@Showstopper108 2 года назад
I can’t wait for a part 2
@me.ko.i1279
@me.ko.i1279 2 года назад
Glad u learning.
@Vintage_USA_Tech
@Vintage_USA_Tech 2 года назад
It would have been nice to know what type of power surge you were having to deal with since it would have given you a better picture of what you might have been facing but this is just the breaks sometimes most people don't even think of what may have surged the line.... my experience is a direct strike is pretty much a futile repair attempt, a brush where you were close to the strike like lighting not striking the power line directly but close enough to induce a high voltage on the line or you are further down the line from the strike... sometimes you may fix it. and this is the area that a good surge protector can help protect you. Or the power company drops a 220 line on your 110 and I have personally had that happen odds are much more in your favor to repair it... and then you can have a Brown out and sometimes that can fry you electronics as well and odds are pretty much in your favor to repair it... all was ask if you can, but buying on eBay your often left in uncharted territory.
@InTheWrongTimeline
@InTheWrongTimeline 2 года назад
Best repair for an Alienware laptop: pull out anything that you could reuse in a better system and send the rest to the land fill.
@Blaszow
@Blaszow 2 года назад
Sometimes it's good to know when let it go in order to not cause any more damage but I believe Steve you would replace that last chip successfully without any BGA Station :D
@shawncat
@shawncat 2 года назад
Were there no fuses on the incoming power?
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
It seems that many manufacturers don't bother with fuses anymore.
@shawncat
@shawncat 2 года назад
@@Tronicsfix Speaks volumes for the necessity of a good surge suppressor then. Edit: they make those small single plug ones now, so it's easy peasy to have one on hand.
@AleksanderFimreite
@AleksanderFimreite 2 года назад
Reply to 13:55. As far as I know, there is not a single modern laptop which requires a battery to run. Power cable should be just fine. Actually, many batteries go bad over time, and require you to either unplug it, or replace it if you want good performance on your laptop. Since whenever the battery is low, your computer will most likely attempt to preserve the power longer by not using as much power on the cpu and gpu. Leaving you with a worse performance overall. Batteries going bad looks simular to regular low battery to the operating system. I personally had an issue with my laptop, where it kept trying to use battery settings even though it showed as fully charged. So I ended up unplugging mine and only ever using the cable to avoid the performance hickups.
@chasefournier
@chasefournier 2 года назад
i wrote a comment, but its gone now, hopefully you got a chance to see it, hope it helps!
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Strange, I don't see it anywhere. I even check the held for review section.
@chasefournier
@chasefournier 2 года назад
​@@Tronicsfix im not sure why it didn't post, i wrote like a whole paragraph LOL Anyway basically i said this: I have worked on this same motherboard before. on the CPU/GPU side of the board, check all the large main coils (all of them) for continuity to GND. Also i may have missed you doing this, but I'm not sure.. check the output of the chip you changed for continuity to GND. Im curious if the reason theres no output is because theres a short on that rail. The laptop i had came into my shop and ended up having a short on one of the coils near where you were working, 0.7ohms resistance to GND. when i injected voltage at that coil, a cap lit up on my thermal cam. sort of near the area but near what looks to be the firmware chip, there are two caps next to it. After removing the cap, the laptop came back to life. i posted a link in my comment to a google review for my business showing the laptop i worked on. im guessing that may have been the reason youtube pulled my comment, or i just hit "reply" and exited too quick, haha if you search CF Micro Repairs on google, youll find my business and the first review is the same laptop, but in white. also, the video was very well done and kept me hooked the entire time, hats off to you steve! I hope any of this info helps for this or future repairs
@UltimateTechHub
@UltimateTechHub 2 года назад
Nice try man! You sure went the extra mile trying to fix it. At least you have some spare parts for future repair videos.
@lowlyp0p
@lowlyp0p 2 года назад
i thought the t-shirt gave him the power :(
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Ha, ha, I wish!
@dusty80
@dusty80 2 года назад
That really sucks you wasn't able to get it fixed
@railpao
@railpao 2 года назад
Ahah, looks like I'm not the only one using the S technique when applying thermal paste !
@zalskin1
@zalskin1 2 года назад
stupid question, but can you just insert 5v to tthat chip?
@GrundleGrump
@GrundleGrump 2 года назад
I'm a proper pansy when it comes to electricity. How often do you get something like this where you plug it in and it just goes "POW!" immediately?
@hannescampidell
@hannescampidell 2 года назад
the battery was still pluged in it is a huge risk for the mainboard
@thallapallisubramanyam3051
@thallapallisubramanyam3051 2 года назад
We miss that perfect amount of thermal paste rays 😂
@hannescampidell
@hannescampidell 2 года назад
i thonk the 3v3 rail was simply shorted because it was absolutley 0
@SnowyDeluxe
@SnowyDeluxe 2 года назад
What can break the solder balls on a BGA chip? Would that be from a drop/fall?
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Yes, that can definitely cause it
@ericbechler9903
@ericbechler9903 2 года назад
Nice Steve 😃
@mauriciorosales7398
@mauriciorosales7398 2 года назад
locate de 5v rail and inject voltage
@bear1245
@bear1245 2 года назад
Steam Deck will support fixing their device 👍🏻
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Yep, I love that they do that. If only the larger manufacturers would do that too
@bear1245
@bear1245 2 года назад
@@Tronicsfix can’t wait to see you try one!
@p3rf3ctxzer0
@p3rf3ctxzer0 2 года назад
No matter how much exp I gain I always tell people I am an advanced user and never claim to be an expert because technology is always changing.
@PsycH0w0LF
@PsycH0w0LF 2 года назад
Ahhh a nice long video trying to problem solve. More more… 👍🏽
@omacservices
@omacservices 2 года назад
Fireworks 😭 but nice work 😎
@insomniareflection8569
@insomniareflection8569 2 года назад
Once repair where can I buy 🤔
@thewavyshopofficial
@thewavyshopofficial 2 года назад
you should try and fix a Xbox 360 you can get the scimitars for them online
@gueburah
@gueburah 2 года назад
I think it's time to buy a reballing machine !
@Zebra_Paw
@Zebra_Paw 2 года назад
11.65V on the battery is definitely not full charge!
@wagesof58
@wagesof58 2 года назад
Did you really do chip swaps on the power areas of a mobo with the battery still installed?
@YesMir
@YesMir 2 года назад
Damn that Flir thing is expensive isn't it !
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Depends on your definition of expensive. I think they're around $100-$200. I don't remember for sure
@YesMir
@YesMir 2 года назад
well it is for me my friend :-) but a nice little unit , nevermind on the alienware , next time fella !
@mustafaammar551
@mustafaammar551 2 года назад
very cool video
@12345.......
@12345....... 2 года назад
Sure looks complicated
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
I'm sure it's not as complicated as I make it, lol
@awilliams1701
@awilliams1701 2 года назад
I think you need a 3d printer to make your own replacement plastic parts. lol
@Markus-fw4px
@Markus-fw4px 2 года назад
Just do a dodgy job and take kinda 5V from elsewhere on the board.
@rylar717
@rylar717 2 года назад
I would have made an S with the thermal paste for Steve! ha-ha!
@snowysnowwolf6228
@snowysnowwolf6228 2 года назад
Send to Phil
@PaulAndreiRO
@PaulAndreiRO 2 года назад
we all knew that thermal paste was the problem here
@DavidLeeMenefee
@DavidLeeMenefee 2 года назад
oh! darn, so close but so far away nice try though.
@Tronicsfix
@Tronicsfix 2 года назад
Thanks! I think I was definitely close on this one
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