I like the little pause and the change in expression just before he says oubliette. Like he had to search for the right thing to keep you locked up and then wasn't even sure it would work when he said it.
He is quite surprised to not be the biggest monster in camp anymore. As he says himself, there are far more cautionary tales about Bhaalspawn than Vampire Spawn.
Hands down my favorite Astarion moment, when he realizes he's not the only one who shares his fate. It's tragic, because you can sense he feels a bit of comfort knowing he's not alone, but he also feels guilty for knowing what the Durge is going through. The fact that he offers advice to fight back versus succumbing really shows his growth and trust in the main character by act 3. This is great character writing.
I think all the characters, to some degree or another have the same problem to varying degrees. They all deep down seek freedom. Lae'zel and her loyalty to Vlaakith, finding out everything she knows was a lie from the start. Shadowheart had her mind wiped and life robbed from her from Shar's Faithful. She seeks to be whole, free from Shar's spite. Wyll is bound to Mizora, and Zariel. He seeks to do good but knowing that as long as he relies on Mizora, he is just a tool for cruel hands. Karlach is a victim of Gortash and Zariel, losing her heart and future to tyrants. She seeks to find a cure and live her life so cruelly torn away. Gale is a victim to his ambitious love to Mystra, torn between his own goals, his lost favor, and ambition as a wizard. He seeks to live and be free of the orb's threat.
@@Polomance862Wyll is arguably shackled by more than just Mizora, he is shackled by the ideology of his father and it isn't until Mizora takes away his physical humanity that the shackles to that ideology loosens. Wyll wishes to earn his father's approval so much, wishes to live his father's ideaology so thoroughly that Wyll doesn't even have an identity that is his own. It isn't until he becomes a literal demon, breaks or embraces his contract with Mizora while freeing his father that he starts to become his own person in the end. He still wishes to be the idealistic hero, but in his own way. His own image.
@@AdeptKing Yup. And in Baldur's Gate 2, a male PC is capable of romancing both Jahiera and Viconia. There's also a third romance option named Aerie, the God she worships is also the name of Tali's drone in Mass Effect 2. Just as the Space Hamster you get in Mass Effect 2 is a homage to Minsc/Boo.
They had far more experience dealing with Bhaalspawn than anyone else in the camp, & they too were the ones who knew firsthand, just what kinda horrors a Bhaalspawn is capable of inflicting after all
If you do side with Bhaal and accept being his chosen and have both of them in the party with you, they turn on you and your party as you are leaving the temple. I had to kill both of them. And they were using my legendary weapons I gave them smh. You can also make Minsc kill Jaheira with mind manipulation which is so deliciously evil lmao.
You have my respect, and my fear. I wouldn't be able to bring myself to do that to Karlach. Lae'zel, maybe. Definitely Wyll. But Karlach? Nah, fam, I'd suddenly go so lawful good that a paladin of Bahamut would be awed.
damn, astarion's lines hit hard, he is the only one who truly knows what you're going through, most of them are ''i heard this about your kind'', and minthara is all ''hell yeah'', but he knows that being bounded by blood is a choice, you can and you will be your own master, otherwise live in fear and regret like he did.
It's odd to me that Jaheera is the only one who figures it out on her own. Like THE SIGNS ARE THERE!!! But I guess she does have previous experience...so yeah, that tracks.
@@travonhackett1401maybe she doesn't trust Durge or is playing the long game to be sure he can't procreate and cause future problems. So she wants him to embrace Bhaal, assuming she can get the others to turn on him. I mean, she does try to get the romantic interest to do it (the most likely person to stick by Durge's side).
The vampire always struck me as a tragic antihero, not so much evil just someone who has just gone through immense trauma at the hand of a deranged tyrant, infected by the malice of his predecessors and keen to re-repeat the same mistake of senseless cruelty.
Jaheira (Mom) was the first one to find out for me. I had back-to-back cutscenes for one long rest. Found out I was Bhaalspawn, went back to sleep, was woken up again to find Jaheira armed over me, then went back to sleep again.
I can understand Astarion's reaction, honestly. Think about it, he's over two hundred years old... He's probably been around since Abdel's days against Sarevok. (For the uninitiated, Abdel is the canonical name of the protagonist for Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, otherwise referred to as 'Gorion's Ward'.)
Wait, people are upset that Minthara breaks up with you if you choose to NOT be Bhaalspaw? She blatantly expresses that she wants you to do the evil right in this confession cutscene.
Jaheira scene would come out after you got the butler scene, depends on you whether to confess to companions or not after that but yes, talk to Jaheira before taking a long rest.
@@ToxicNugget i got that one too on my 2nd durge run, and i noticed that this scene triggers at this specific spot if my durge didnt get long rest enough 😂
@@ToxicNugget my guess is this has to happen before talking to Gortash for the Durge story to continue. Now i know to cross that bridge before a long rest! Thank you 🙏
Minthara and Karlach in one party? How? I tried 2x already to knock Minthara unconcious in the goblin camp, but at Moonrise they always say that she is dead 🤷♀️
@@vkfascination i think there are conditions to that. Like, you can knock her out in goblin camp, but not during assault on the grove or something like that.
@@vkfascination Here are the steps I did If you want to recruit Minthara, 1. Make sure you're at least lvl 4 (you have to clear the goblin camp without long resting). 2. Place smokepowder barrels on Dror Ragzlin's room (preparation for battle after knocking out Minthara. 3. DO NOT talk to Minthara, Just attack her directly or steal in front of her so that she'll have the temporary hostile status. 4. Knock her out, if you do, her status should say Knocked out (temporarily) 5. Kill Dror Ragzlin by detonating the bombs. 6. Kill Priestess Gut if you haven't already. 7. If you did everything correctly, you can now finish the goblin quest and do the tiefling party. Minthara should be on the moonrise towers if you get there.
@@vkfascination I think they have also added other ways to recruit her in Patch 6, such as knocking her out by betraying her during the tiefling raid but I haven't tested it yet.
I am confused on so many levels about Minthara's reaction. I thought she hated Orin? So wouldn't she hate another Bhaalspawn or a relative of Orin? And also, if she's into Bhaalspawn-ing, what exactly was her relationship with Orin like...? Sigh. Anyways, great video!
She explains her relationship towards Orin, Kathrick, Gortash when you recruit her and talk with Minthara (when she was under the absolutes control sure but still)
You can kind of accomplish that with mods, there's a "No Party Limit mod" that allows you to have ALL playable characters active at once, you'd have to substitute a hireling for Tav, but it's doable. Then split them up into your teams of four (or eight, whatever, I'm not judging.)
Minthara and Jaehera are the only two people here who have real reactions to this imo. Everyone else is like "oh no sorry you found that out I still like you though :( " Meanwhile Minthara is like "ngl theres a savage beauty to this and you should claim those powers for yourself" and Jaehera is just smoking a cig talking about old adventuring stories from Nam
I don't think Minthara fully realised what's the meaning you told her. Yes, you will be powerfull, but you will be like Astarion with Cazador before Tadpole. A puppet, it is always better to defy him.
Astarion's charms have never worked on me, nor have I ever romanced him, but his speech here, his acceptance... It made me reconsider giving him a chance. It's just I cannot trust him, and he's not truly my type, so it's difficult, although I've seen other women left and right swooning over him 😅
@@LoaftyBean there is a cutscene with Minsc but you need to get him before you get the cutscene with Jaheira. Can be hard to get it but there is a cutscene of it
This really, REALLY makes me wish I could have made my Dark Urge the continuation of my Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 campaigns. Seriously. It feels like I am missing something.
considering how much minthara despises the gods, seeing as she was a slave to both lolth and the absolute, her attitude makes no sense. it was done solely for the sake of having an "evil" companion. this game sells its own characters out for the sake of style and """inclusivity""" very, very frequently
@@Magnasword2 it is, because you'll effectively be doing a god's bidding, the outcome is the same. like i said, the game flushes otherwise well written characters down the drain for idiotic reasons
@@realdaddydagoth69 You don't tell minthara this though, all you do is tell her you're a BaalSpawn, she doesn't know the finer details. She probably thinks it's the same as being lolths chosen.
@@Magnasword2 bro, the game literally states that she hates lolth. knowing how evil lolth is, how would being her chosen not also come with doing her bidding? even other characters understand that you're bhaal's slave. furthermore, even if what you said wasn't false, why isn't there an option to tell her that it implies slavery, making her not lose approval on refusal? the goddamn writers either did not understand the very characters that they have written, or just didn't give enough of a fuck and tried to appeal to idiots. it's bad writing either way
Minthara has expressed many times of wanting the courage and strength to carve the world in a way she would like. (Also what does having an evil character have to do with inclusivity???)
She doesn't put two and two together. For ber, power and control are the same thing. She wants to be friends with _the_ Bhaalspawn. And kill Orin in the bargain.
bc being allied w the chosen one is an advantage to her in later killing orin. orin has never been the chosen one. her only purpose was to let durge become the chosen one. she is a lamb for slaughter.
