All Rogues NEED to Learn This! - Stat Priority & Gear Selection Explained 

All that Rogues need to know is that nobody invites us in their groups

its 00:45 am... i dont even play rogue... what am i doing with my life?

To anyone who doesn't know, to "kankleate" something is to think about it for a month strait while eating nothing but cheesecake.

That's too many cankulations for me.

Great video Metagoblin! One thing worth mentioning is that calculating the value of your gear is alot easier if you also break down agility and strength into "power score" aswell. Afaik it would be 1 agility = 1.9 AP in pre-bis gear, and 1 agility = 2.2 AP in end-game gear. And a flat 1 strength = 1.1 AP. If you're calculating agility/strength value as alliance for raids, don't forget to add a 10% value to the "power score" due to Blessing of Kings.

Dude I have been looking for this video for so long! So glad someone finally did show the calculation method. THANK YOU

Canculate 😂

Also don’t forget that 29 agility equals to 1% crit and 29 ap where as 1% crit as a stat is just crit by itself.

We have a rogue in our guild running the 6 piece set and it's starting to look like hes putting out more dps with shadowcraft then with t1. We are going to experiment with 3 piece stormshroud

hit cap is 9% without weapon skill against boss level targets (63) 6% with 5 weapon skill or more with your weapon.

The word was "invented" in 2005 by a rogue named Ming AEP Agility Equivalency Point

Desperately needed this crit to ap conversion, ty for saving me the time of having to do it myself lol

What is the resource on the calculations? Is there any way to get conversions for hunters and warriors?

So it's probably a matter of time til someone makes and add-on that does all these calculation in the background for you and displays it nicely for you. This is very interesting thank you for this

When I played classic I was like 13 or 14 and I bought my rogue as much stamina leathers as I could find cause it increased my health lmfao

There is just a slight problem with the calculation, as you say crit scales with gear, same with hit. Therefore you will never have static attack power equivalences for these stats, you cannot just flat out say that 1% crit is 24 AP, how much AP 1% crit equals will change depending on how much crit you have, how much hit you have, your weapons etc etc.

so to break it down; AP = 1 , STR = 1, AGI = 1.828 , Crit = 23 (alliance) 24(horde) (28 with WF), hit = 18 (after cap). These numbers assuming you got 305 wep skill and 6 % hit, or 9% hit and no wep skill. Did i miss anything? This is of course changing when higher tiers of gear becomes available due to soft caps being reached (crit specifically).

Just divide the agility on an item by 29, because 29 agi = 1% crit.. then multiply the answer by 23( 24 for horde) to get your AGI CRIT... Easy. Then add the AGI + AGI CRIT + other values to make it the POWER SCORE.

What about items with +dagger skill like muggers belt and distracting dagger? Also, on top of the +5 u get from talents.

Try calculating what pieces you need from the dungeon tier 0.5 set,because some are now epics and the 6 piece set bonus becomes a 4 piece

These are some serious cankelations you're doing sir.

Sounds like you're saying Canculate

Stats weights are dynamic so a good idea would be to mention the DPS spreadsheet made by Bloodmoon from the Rogue Classic discord.

Awesome video! How does it work on wotlk? And how does it work with Spirit, intelect and so on mages, priests and such as... Please?

Crit is equivalent to a different AP depending on what your actual AP is. its more of a percentage scale than a flat AP scale

when people say 9% do they mean 9 from their gear, in addition to the 5% from rogue talents, meaning your character should be walking around with 14% hit? or 5% from talents and only 4% from gear? there's way too much hit gear out there for us to only be needing to put on 4%?

Nice video! Keep mana bars out of melee to avoid eating lava burst (Feral druid was in melee stack)

Metagoblin, I love your videos! What is the name of the addon that shows the swing timer of your main hand?

Below 300dps + not using swing timers :/ why do you even have that AddOn when you dont use it correctly...but he can do maths

I'm currently at 4:28 and i'm screaming at the screen CALCULATE!!! sorry had to get that off my chest lets proceed.

Oblivion background music. Massive respect.

You should add the stamina in the power score too. Like 10 stamina means +10 to power score :) (when talking pvp at least) Also could make a calculation about how +resistances/armor/defense would affect the power score? Something like shadowpanther does but in deeper detail? (pvp wise)

I am confused, sorry. 1hit=21ap 1hit=24ap 1hit=18ap 1crit=29ap 1crit=28ap 1crit=23ap So which one is right? How did you boil down the value of hit and crit into equivalent AP?

fantastic video, thank you!

Just 23 x 0.72 simple as that

I dont understand why 1% crit is 28 AP for horde and 29 for alliance. I also think that there is diminished return on hitchance. If you get your 3rd point of hit%, that is more effective than if you would get your 6th point or so.

You calculation of the TER for alliance does not factor in Blessing of Kings (10% increased stats) This is however very much relevant, since BSR, PWB and the alterac ring all have no agi/str, so it is a unique advantage over other rings as alliance. The hakkar buff (once zg is out) and dark moon fear agility buff also factor into this.

At the math part, u can just multiply the crit chance to the relative points of power it provides 🙄🙄 0.72*23

this is just incorrect your weights arent entirely true and also have to take in account wether u play horde or alliance crit = double dmg on what ever crits so critting one extra time during a combat or making 1 regular hit not miss during combat have the same stat value in theory but because of procs especially on horde but also alliance side hit is better than crit for example i play horde so by hitting i can proc wf sword spec HoJ and poisons thats an awefull lot of procs most of which can proc eachother thats why hit is valued higher than crit

You factor in windfury but not pally buffs. Kings makes raw stats more valuable for alliance.

A tip is to just do (agility / 29 = critchance gain). Its faster

As a combat rogue in BWL is 8-set Bloodfang better then going for Boots of Shadowflame + Nightslayer hands?

*This video nice to get the basic gist of it, except for a few small exceptions.* *Firstly both Agility and Crit values are a little bit off, and they start to scale differently depending on what the other one is.* *Secondly Shadowcraft is not worth getting, because it doesn't scale well, the faster things dies, and its too unreliable.*

Should i get the 2 piece devilsaur set and then replace it with the shadowcraft or just get the shadowcraft and discard the other? Or get both?

you could call it equivalent attack power or effective attack power

I think you can combine stormshroud and shadowcraft. I wonder if they share cooldown and if worth it to lose stats. Always wanted to know.

Would talent choice change equilivant value and with more hit would that also increase the value of crit. Can't crit if you don't hit. Where did the values come from?

I am not a rogue but i find it very informativ. Would love *.* to see guide like this from you for priest (heal) or even healers in general. Or can someone recommend one of this quality to me?

I have devilsaur set and nightslayer helm and boots. Makes more sense to replace devilsaur with shadowcraft to get six piece bonus or replace nightslayer cap and boots for shadowcraft six piece bonus?

As a long time player, the best advise I can give to somebody new is to not sweat every bis just enjoy the game because if you just become a bis monger you’ll end up tired of it.

Do you still stream on Twitch?

what is the hitcap for ´pvp ? doing a lvl 19 twink and not sure to go for 5 % extra hit or 5 % crit

wouldn't loading the values into Pawn be quicker than doing maths?

is there a way for a rouge to express all stats with a power score? u only score the offensive power and totally forget the def. my main focus is pvp and things like staminia, evade(this should boost agi's value), armor have a value, but how to compare this to offensive? a dead ppl cant do damage at all..

So basically for now, fresh 60, i'll stick with shadowcraft xD

Which 6 of the 8 would be the best to get? Maybe keep the devilsaur set and get the other 6? Or is there a best combination of the 6 to have?

Is the shadowcraft 6 peace bonus also working for druids ?

Where is your source / how do you know how much AP hit and crit is comparable to? Without that this is just bromath and is a guess at best. Also - as hit has diminishing returns you can't use a flat rate for it....

Hi mate, what is that addon you have that shows you other stats like hit% and crit% that doesn't show on a regular character interface?

How much is the power score of stamina in pvp in your opinion?

I need this for my hunter. I just don't understand what weapon skill over 300 provides for bow/gun/xbows. If there is a crit cap or how much AP is worth to AGI cause agi provides crit. Is crit better than ap and if so up to what point. Should I just stack ap with no crit or just stack agi with no crit or ap bonus. I just don't understand. Please help or could some one provide a reference. Thanks

Here come all the rank ones to tell you you’re wrong lol great Vid

Why does your character info screen look different than mine does in classic?

5:02 bob's my uncle?

Would it be better to keep the devilsaur set and replace the rest with shadowcraft gear to get the 6 set bonus?

Quick question, as a dwarf, do I need 6% hit or 9? I have viskag in MH and gutgore in OH. Would a perditions be the best OH?

All I was interested in is the logic behind 1% crit being equal to 23 AP. Is that something you could explain or link me to a source?

cadaverous not even being mentioned?

only me who noticed he isn't using that melee swingtimer at all on raggy fight :D ?

Whit 6 piece shadowcraft dont the value of hit increase alot?? Know that in tbc hit is higher value than all else because of the talent giving energy on off hand hits.

Hi m8, like your vids. Saw you in IF earlier, hi =)

To simplify the calculation for "Power Score" you can multiply every point of Agility by .793 and then add it to the original Agi score to get the power score.. if we are saying that 29 Agi = 1% Crit = 23 AP. I think :)

I'm probably going to go out on a limb and say that you might actually be wrong on this shadowcraft 6 piece. I'm not sure how you are gonna keep testing this without constant variables on raid.. It will be merely impossible.. I say this because I make the groups in my own raid and best case scenario is 1 hunter, 1 warrior and 1 feral per every 2 rogues (this happens 1/10 times).. In reality its usually 3 rogues and hunter/war to maximize dps for myself anyways :)... On top of that, you are still using thrash blade and mira's song sword? Once you have dal's I can imagine the raw stats on the previous comment(BIS GEAR with higher values) becomes king..making the entire 6 piece shadowcraft a moot point... swinging lower tier swords while gaining 6 piece boost might seem better now but once you can hit harder the extra energy for a skill damage not so much..

CANKALATE? How do i Cankalate bro? Can we get a Cankalate stand-alone video beaking down teh Cankalations?

What was the name of the addon you said at 7:00 would you please write dowm under my comment thank you

Is questing/grinding the best way to level i cant find a zf group to save my life as rogue

I want to know about shadowcraft these days!!!

I dont know how to cankulate things. Calculating maybe?

I dont remember having an inckle named BOB!

This is misleading. It's 6% for special attacks, considering over 50% damage comes from white hits, getting higher hit is beneficial.

is this for swords and dagger spec. or only Swords?

.Just stack agi/crit/hit no raw AP unless it happens to be on the item as well. AP declines in relative value every level you gain and every new weapon you get from level 1 all the way to Naxx 40. AP in general was always a noob trap until Wrath and later expansions where they started specifically designing skills to take advantage of it instead of it being just a terrible linear modifier to physical damage.

Thanks Oto

Why you do 23/2 if you need 29/2?

Would be nice if this were an addon

Watching the video to find the cankulation, wtf am i doing with my life? Edited: Found it at 6:20

"Canculate" lol jk, great video! Ty

When you say you need 6% hit that is with 305 swordskill included? And its 8 or 9% with 300 skill?

Holy shit this is way too much maths just gonna read my bis lmao

Canculations

Im trying to gear my rogue since 4 months. Got only 1 tier 1 piece. Rogue gearing sucks every MC raid like 6 rogues. Today again MC lost again rolls, while a lock gets 4 pieces of his tier1. WoW sucks

I still have no idea what bob's your uncle refers to 😂

Why do you keep saying canculate?

Does someone know if 29 Agility alway equals 1% crit regardless of the Charlevel?

How does STR factor into this equation?

All this cankelating is hurting my head. Yeah SC is op with Mask and Truestrikes but you are at the mercy of the actual rng god's, looks better too as you can tell you are not a pre raid fury warrior.

why ppl say cap is 6, othes say its 9 ..

I can personally advocate for 6/8 Shadowcraft as the #1 parsing rogue on my server. I have only 3 pieces of raid gear, Vis’kag, t2 helm and t1 gloves. It is so good that I didn’t use either of my tier pieces until I got shadowcraft pants so that I could use my tier pieces and retain the 6/8 set bonus, and I massively out DPS rogues in my guild with Perditions and 5/8 t1 with blood fang. (Realm: Incendius)

Bob is not my uncle

I don't math well but thx for the vid anyways👍