Does sinatraaa not know SBB has been facing god-like tracers in APEX constantly? And what the fuck did sinatraa face recently? 3 stacks against scrubs in comp.
Even though people think Sinatraa is the best Tracer player. Which is ridiculous. Sinatraa is like a T2 player that has the popularity like a T1 player which makes him look like T1. But he doesn't have experience and honestly would get recked in APEX. I would love to see GC Busan's Profit rip Sinatraa a new one.
I agree on the point that sinatraa ist not even close as good as Seoby but the comparison of the statistics is just wrong because it’s obvious that the loosing team is worse statistics. It says nothing about the specific player but only about the team.
Yeah, but I don't necessarily agree that SSB is soo much better than Sin. SSB wasn't playing nearly as well in the OWL pre-season. I know that doesn't say much, considering it's pre-season and Sin didn't even play. But I do think that as the season goes on, the SSB hype will go slightly down, considering I don't think he's THAT good. I believe he actually overperformed a bit in the WC and I don't think his Tracer is better than Effect's, or even Soon's. And as you said, Sin did underperform in the WC, so I think he'll comes back strong feeling he has something to prove to the haters. But time will tell
“he’s not like an insane 1v1 tracer” well cus he learns how to play with the team which can actually win games instead of going 1v1 with another pro player which could have a 50-50 winning chance, this guy is just salty 😂😂😂
If you actually watch the clips and not just the killfeed you see that in all but two or three clips, SBB just finishes off a weak Sinatraa. Team USA had Sinatraa doing super deep dives to try and get picks onto Jehong or Tobi, but he was constantly gettting blocked by Zunba or Mano. Team SK just kept SBB close and only had him dive to finish off kills that Flow3r, Mano or Zunba couldn't get to. IMO, that's the proper way to utilize Tracer in the pro scene. Most pro teams won't let a Tracer one clip their supports, so you have to use her to finish off weak enemies. So basically, I think that team USA just didn't understand how to properly utilize Tracer. Sinatraa is very good, but if your game plan is to have him dive into two of the best tanks in the world and two of the best supports in the world and try to get a one clip on someone, yeah that's not gonna happen.
yeah and that's why sinatraa got -16 k/dr :( lol this could only mean sinatraa has shitty movement/game sense compared to sbb, since his tanks and jake got positive kds
MAking those deep dives was his call. A team can say sinatraa dive deep, but how deep he goes is only controlled by sinatraa himself. Sinatraa didn't know how deep he should've died against a well coordinated professional team. HE was only used to diving that deep and dealing with the whole team when they were not coordinated and were not professional. He's never done it against pros, he experimented, he failed a lot of times, but never learned from them. SBB however knows he shouldnt dive so deep to get picks. You have to bait sinatraa in because he's gonna try and dive rly deep. Thats why he was always with his team trying to finish off the weak sinatraa. THAT is also called outplayed with the mental tricks. Overwatch isn't only a game where your aim takes you to a pro team. ITs the game sense, the game knowledge, the movements, the mental game, and the aim is just the extra sauce equipped for extra good DPS players. Sinatraa would outduel SBB in a 1v1 bc his aim is better. But, its a team game and a mental game. Sinatraa doesn't have knowledge on both while SBB does. SBB outplayed Sinatraa is an overstatement but SBB played a huge role in SK outplaying Sinatraa
in a tracer 1vs1 duel, wins the one with the best aim and the one who has the best gamesense, its not all about the aim, the movement and the recall timing is very important.
So Sinatraa focused tanks, and Saebyeolbe did... his job? And hard focused the squishies that would guarantee kills and staggers? But yeah, man. That Harmony orb. So strong that it's still there even when SK doesn't run Zen 🤷
Better tracer gameplan. Sinatra’s doesn’t have the teamwork skill. His comment in the beginning was irrelevant. “1v1” individual tracer skill probably equal but sb way better game sense and teamwork. It’s a 6v6 game.
dimitry gallego True. Notice how a majority of the clips Sinatra gets killed while he's focusing tanks, while he's away from him team. Go reaper if you're gonna shoot at Dva or Winston. SB had better focus and game sense.
A lot of western players seem to have this mindset. They think in terms of "carrying" and so on, forgetting that this is a TEAM game. Koreans understand the concept much better. On an individual basis they are not much better than the western players, but when it comes to performing as a coordinated team - hoo boy, the western teams may as well pack up and go home.
Don't you guys know that Sinatraa is one of the most toxic top 500 player in the USA? It's never his fault and he's better than everybody. At least that's what he thinks.
Flash so my guess is you are a silver 12 year old Sinatraa fanboy who can't do shit but cry on youtube comments when his bum buddy gets his ass whooped by a real professional player and not some shitty pub stomper.
Friendly Neighbourhood Reinhardt isn't that what you are doing right now ? Lmao just sit down you are probably plat and the whole "real professional player" thing was hella cringe
The fact that the tard that literally knows nothing about how the game works comments got a lot more likes than mine just shows what kind of literal bots we are dealing with here.
It was an interesting display of their play-styles, Sinatraa's comments at the beginning of the video (though salt-fueled) hold some degree of sense, SBB almost never played greedily ("played like a bitch") which resulted in low overall deaths and a high kill output due to the fact he was alive for every fight, whereas Sinatraa still played as if he could get picks outside of his team's help. Had it not been for Sinatraa's apparent overconfidence in the Tracer matchup, many fights could have been swung in USA's favor, this isn't to say that he cost USA the title, but he certainly didn't put enough faith in his team's ability to set up favorable situations/ positions before going in for kills.
ThelnvisibleMinority how does not playing greedily equate to "playing like a bitch." SBB played tracer like how she was meant to: be annoying and clean up kills. Unless you were meaning to say playing greedily is playing like a bitch
LUL "he had harmony the whole time" "hes good, but like, not a 1v1 tracer" kid can't admit he got smashed, sign of a true burnout that won't make it in the esport scene tehe
Freqy y sbb is probably the best duelist Tracer in the world imo. He always goes for these dps heros "which carry the game" for the enemy team and shuts them down. He is a beast.
The whole time it was sinatraa trying to damage tanks (running from sbb) while sbb was focusing sinatraa with his imaginary harmony orb on him. Either way the rights of sinatraa belong to sbb now.
See, this is proof that Mercy fucking ruined everything. America's winning games over Korea did not feel satisfying to watch at all. PERIOD. SBB was getting literally every first pick just to have Mercy res them back. You think America would have gotten close at all if Mercy wasn't meta? Keep dreaming, kids.
Sammy P are you mental? Dafran plays soldier sinatraa messed dafran up in pro pugs. Lmfao and yes dafran has better aim. But aim isn’t everything. Sinatraa even said dafran has better aim not game knowledge tho.
Brian Lee yes I watched all of it but if you weren’t platinum rank you’ll understand he was getting called out and getting punished when he pushed in by himself. But if you ever seen them play against each other sinatraa can out gun him.
People defending sinatraa saying how sinatraa didnt actually die in a full 1v1 situation are definitely in a tier below diamond. Sinatraa dived too deep many times and that was his call. This is all game sense that is absolutely crucial when playing Tracer. SBB schooled Sinatraa hard at how to actually play tracer. This wouldve been the same outcome against players like Profit, Effect, Birdring etc. Basically any tracer main from an APEX team would rip Sinatraa apart.
I like how you added a generic insult toward many people before repeating what most of the people here have already said. People saying Sin didn't die 1v1 a lot are right, and you didn't state anything proving them wrong. Sin literally said they play different styles and Team USA needed Sin to try this in order to have a chance. Over pushing has nothing to do with the 1v1s that didn't happen. You sound like a NA diamond mercy who fell to plat and can't get back so now you D ride youtube videos of decent NA players because it makes you feel better. Log off.
Yes you can believe that Sinatraa is better than SBB all you want. I think most of the world other than his blinded fanboys such as yourself just can't admit it. Oh well, shame. I'd expect anyone who's diamond or above can see this fact, and you can't... so guess that make you more likely to be a silver.
I never said Sin was better and I do know SBB is better.. I'm saying what you said was a useless insult to sound cool backed by random gibberish that didn't make sense. I'm not a Sin fanboy I'm just tired of people like you who try hard to sound cool when they really don't say anything to back up their insult.
The funny thing is that Profit Bunny SBB and Effect are gonna be playing in the OWL so get ready Sinatra cuz its no gonna be pretty Btw. If your not following Saebyeolbe on twitch go and give him a follow cuz that guy has some good game and his hilarious
SBB the best Tracer in apex... SAY-B-O-B, SOON, & EFFECT Tracer is in whole new level anyone can ever think of it. EvvyUs is better team than ROUGH but I’m glad that EFFECT actually got some 1v1 victory against SOON(the best 1v1 tracer in the world).
Sinatra sure has a big ass ego for being one of the worse pro players in his role. Didn't expect anything else though. Whenever his stream is on he's listening to some whack ass rap while acting like a god. Big name cuz he's an English speaking streamer and plays a flashy character that people want to watch.
Well we will see in a few weeks how Shock utilize him; I suspect they are so heavy even a proven tracer like profit or SBB wouldnt carry them, especially since Danteh is already a passable tracer.
I dont know if I remember correctly but wasn’t rjh playing anna/mercy and tobi was on lucio most of the match? WHERE DID THIS MAGIC HARMONY ORB COME FROM?
Alex wow a 17 year old got beat by a mature korean who lives in a video game culture, get lost you trash tracer main stop trying to make it seem that sinatraas garbage when you're in plat
Speedily He doesn’t have to play tracer though. And he’s probably one of the top three McCrees in the world which would completely screw over South Korea as one of their dps I think only played tracer the whole World Cup (Correct me if I’m wrong and also can’t spell his name).
@َAidan S no they're not. Unless sinatraa plays a completely different style of tracer compared to any other top tracer in the game, he is wrong, his tracer style is wrong. I know he's a good tracer in comp but you don't play like that vs a not only tier 1 tracer but a top 3 (if not the best in terms of consistence play throughout all his lan tournaments).
having harmony orb isnt a reasonable excuse. sinatraa shouldn't play so aggro in a situation where he can be caught out like that. if sinatraa played into his healer's sightlines and asked for orb maybe he woulda won the 1v1s but he didn't. I'm not implying i could do even half of that but someone who brags about his 150K shouldnt be making excuses
Damn, those KD stats at the end are brutal. 88/29 for SBB, 44/60 for Sinatraa, LOL. Died the most out of anyone. 50% more deaths than 3/4 of the supports, and still 4 more than Rawkus' 56. Just horrifically bad. They would have been better off if he'd just played around in spawn. All he did was feed ult charge, though at least it was only 150HP - that's the one good thing about Sinatraa's Tracer I guess... The only decent stats from USA were Coolmatt's, who once again shows he's one of the better tanks in the west. For all the talk about Jake's showing here, the stats suggest he's a very average DPS. But, hey, at least he had more kills than deaths. That's why he stood out I suppose - the other DPS was doing jack shit. Just... Fucking hell. Sinatraa got absolutely reamed. He should stick to shitting on diamonds while triple stacking in comp, tbh. Kinda feel bad for Shock. They got scammed.
This is why comp mode is cancer because people who get a high placement in one particular season (a lottery at the best of times) like to think they're gods but get exposed when they play against the real big boys.
I think that Sinatraa just didnt have compatibility with his team because he didnt spend enough time with them. Still Saebyeolbe is a GOD Tracer but he is too salty to accept that USA had the opposite standing of Russia. Russia was getting carried by Shadowburn but USA was getting dragged by Sinatraa
One thing I always asked myself about stats in pro games how the kills are counted. Because it seems it's not like in typical Overwatch. Do they only count the death blows? Because the number is much lower
No, all of your total elims (both kills and assists) go to your Elims stat. The reason why kills to deaths is so high is because multiple people can contribute to a kill, but deaths are only counted for that individual.
To be fair sinatraa did have a point, it's hard to find one of these fights that really was a 1v1; SBB always had damage boost from mercy, heals from mercy, sound barrier, harmony orb, or sinatraa had discord orb.
Is no one going to me two that almost every time Sinatraa dies, saebyoulbe either has extra shields from drop the beat, a mercy heal from valkyrie, or a Zen assist for either discord or harmony. Obviously the pulse bombs kills are 100% him but almost every clip here Sinatraa gets done by saebyoulbe when he has more health or a healers support. Not a Sinatraa fan but was paying attention since he said that at the beginning
Jim Bobway uhm. Overwatch is a team game he obviously didnt play wellbut korea is the best team because they have amazing players that all work perfectly together
You know why sinatraa never had a harmony orb on him? 'cause SBB assassinated the zen BEFORE doming sinatraa's tracer. Can't wait to watch him get regularly and repeatedly shit on in the pro scene.
You just don't understand pro-level Tracer play. Sinatraa's Tracer only feeds a scant 150HP to the enemy team every time he dies, which means he can have a 1:3 k/d ratio and it's like, fine, whatever, nbd, it's only 150HP. Playing so badly, so riskily, and diving so deep allows the enemy to easily pick Sinatraa off, which leads to a great deal of mirth and confusion, such as, "LOL, why would he do that, is he stupid," etc, etc, but it is in this atmosphere of bewildered hilarity, when the enemy's guard is lowered, that the rest of Sinatraa's team strike! In swoops the battle Mercy, filling in for the temporarily deceased Tracer, her Caduceus blaster one-clipping the Zen and cutting down the Soldier 76 to 24HP for good (math) measure. Now we see Sinatraa's Tracer, coming back from spawn, brilliantly and effortlessly using her blink ability in bold new ways to geniusly move very fast and therefore arrive as quickly as possible at an extremely bad position, then going deep to spawn-trap the Zen, getting instantly domed by him, but AGAIN only feeding a mere 150HP to the enemy, and AGAIN creating that sublime sense of confusion that only Tracer's of Sinatraa's caliber can induce, with, of course, the enemy once again exclaiming "lol, wtf! what a dumbass." See, some Tracer's, like SBBs, strike terror in the hearts of the enemy, Sintraa's strikes amusement, but of course both get the job done in the end. And then... something, something, something, THEY WIN! It was Sinatraa who carried, all agree. Cokes and candy enjoyed by all, cause they're all under 21.
Yes saebyolbe is a mechanically good tracer, but I think it was strategy that won South Korea this game. They knew Sinatra would go for deep dives in their support line at every opportunity, so they planned for saebyolbe to stay nearby to the back line. So every time Sinatra tried to get a pick, he would get discorded and finished off by saebyolbe.
not a fanboy but like he’s better than 99% of the ow community and he gets paid more than your mother and your father and you at the same time at 18 years of age so he must have an ok life.
Dude SBB is all cool nd modest like "Im not the bedt tracer there are many tracers better than me, sinatraa is better than me... " Meanwhile sinatraa: "hes not that good, he had an orb on him..."
You know when you see a Tracer player stick another Tracer with a pulse bomb, you should be more than scared.. SBB has been facing so many good Tracer players in APEX so I have no idea what he's on about.. :/
We're talking about a 44:60 K/d ratio, lol. We're talking about a DPS who died 16 times more than he killed. He's shite when he has to play against anything that is even halfway competent and coordinated.
I really think sinatraa is a beast but the difference is that sinatraa thinks he can hardcarry so during the match he over extended where he could have sit back and applied pressure o the enemy which is exactly what the enemy tracer did. The enemy tracer did not force out 1v1s which is where sinatraa ca,e at fault.
Why are all of you being so toxic towards sinatraa? Honestly, sbb is more skilled yes, but not to the point that he'd completely demolish sinatraa like this video suggests in every 1v1. Sinatraa's claim has some truth to it, as while it wasn't harmony orb, or at least not always harmony orb, sbb WAS pocketed a lot of the times he killed sinatraa, either by mercy or even lucio barrier. Not all the times but a lot of the time. Doesn't take away from sbb's skill, just makes it harder or almost impossible for sinatraa to win most fights, and this is more a credit to sbb's supports, which isn't that much of a surprise given how one of his supports was Ryujehong. Don't shit on Sinatraa for this, as in a 1v1 gamemode with sbb, I'd say he'd still lose, but it would be pretty close. Better than most of you guys would do in his place at least
I like how all these people are laughing at sinatraa but more than half of them are way worse than him (im not better than him either so calm down kiddies)
Sinatraa's a better player than I'll ever be, but his performance against SK was definitely lacking. From what I saw, it seemed like every time the US did good, Jake was carrying the dps. Maybe the pressure got to him, I mean hell, he is just a kid still. I hope he gets his chance to come back and actually bring it next time.
I want to see everyone else play the biggest game of the year in front of 500,000 people at 17 years old with very little stage experience and not crack.
