All the Guns on an M4 Sherman Tank (with Nicholas Moran, the Chieftain) 

Not even Ian knows the tank and field guns. Time for a Chieftain overview video on them! And Ian, more crew served guns! :)

Not a criticism, just an observation, Ian does not have combat experience. Some combat vets, may not know the historical/mechanical details as Ian, but do have that unique combat perspective. I would love for Ian to get more interviews with people who've used weapons in combat situations for their opinions. With his connection he can probably access people from many varied settings, such as Balkens, Falklands, N. Ireland, Philippines, Sub-Sarahan Africa, etc. Some comes to mind, an elderly Vietnam Vet showed me his pic at 21 y/o with crossed bandoleers of linked 7.62mm while holding M-16, 5.56mm. He explained, many grunts carried extra ammo for M-60, hence the 7.62 ammo in same pic as 5.56mm rifle. A Bosnian with an AK and a M48 Yugo Mauser on back-explained for long range more precision shots. A Nigerian military vet with a .303 Lee-Enfield and AK pouches- claims again carried for more precision long range shot.

Dor Aran I don’t think combat experience automatically makes one qualified to talk as an expert on specific weapon platforms. It may sound paradoxical but just look at the pacific theater for a second and all of the returning GI’s talking about how garbage the Japanese small arms are and how they don’t work and explode and whatever other nonsense propaganda was fed to them. Also look at myths like the M1 Carbine doesn’t have enough power to kill Koreans wearing layers of winter clothing that some Korean war vets ended up spreading likely because they weren’t making hits at all. These are guys who are there and they sometimes end up spreading the biggest myths and falsehoods.

I would say that experience is an enhancing feature, but cannot be taken in isolation. We have a similar issue with tanks: Witness the allegations from troops that the M4 was a “death trap” from observation despite the empirical results which can be tabulated. That said, experience can provide a perspective which cannot be easily learned by other routes. For example, the acquisition and engagement process in this video can be “book learned”, but comes almost without thought to a tanker.

@@doraran2138 I think if you saw a guy with an m16 carrying 7.62 nato it wouldnt be a far reach to guess why he was carrying it. Let's not galaxy brain ourselves into thinking it takes some combat experience to figure that one out

Remove it

Reminds me of James Blunt explaining to Jeremy Clarkson what it's like being an officer "Corporal, do please kill that man"

"No kill like overkill"

Someone with video editing ability needs to mash that up with the windows breaking on the cybertruck.

I'll take "Phrases you can only say if you own a military vehicles, artillery, or a tow truck, for $1000".

Only when all the stars have gone out and all life is long gone will the M2 finally rest. And then only for a moment. After all you never know what you might need in what ever after life might exist.

Long live ma deuce.

The only way to improve on the .50 is to use better materials.

Fun fact, the Russians technically beat us to that because they mounted a machine gun on the Salyut 3 space station, albeit not a 50 cal.

@@lordaznTechnically they mounted an auto cannon, which would be a good bit bigger than a .50 cal.

Thanks for that bit of info, I figured there must've been some tragic event to enforce that health and safety rule. Its a shame they cant fire traditionally, within the turret, but it would be a much worse shame if they weren't able to go home afterwards.

Id take the risk

Breach explosion sounds like a one in a billion fail though 🤷

I've read that they used too much powder in the casings (8 times the safe amount?)

another reason might be that even if they were allowed to the smoke from the gun would be pretty bad because the ventilation system is not running

Used that in training once. Kinda pissed off my gunner, though. Loader and driver thought it was hilarious.

I laughed when he said that. 😂

@Comrade Kong In any situation where it would be acceptable to shoot at men, it is equally acceptable to shoot at women and children. If they are armed and present a risk to your unit you shoot them kids and don't worry about it that much at the moment.

Comrade Kong Yep, it's gamer time

Meanwhile in the 40K universe... "This planet offends me, remove it." "Yes Comissar!"

More like, "Hold my French 75." Ian isn't going to let somebody else hold his bertier unless it is to pick up a FAMAS.

@@simbry49 on the off chance you weren't aware, theirs a cocktail called the French 75

@@NM-wd7kx yes that is the reference.

@@simbry49 I thought it was too much of a coincidence

Firing this 75/76 won't give me 32. french longue... but it Will put a smile on my face.

Merch material

I for one expect that the opportunity will arise at some point in the not too distant future...

Will you be having a RIAC Live Forgotten Weapons crossover where Ian is the gavel master?

What, like the whole auction building itself attending?

Just have it happen whenever you guys get another armored vehicle, preferably not american but tanks and APCs not made in America are a fair bit rarer here

Your company closely associated with Ian. Several have referred to him as "Gun Jesus". Imagine if he were called "Gun Mohammed" and the insensitivity that would invoke. Mockery of any religion is wrong and while Ian has can't control the posters, he can act to publicly request it stopped and delete those mocking posters. Perhaps you may have some sway or influence also to clean this up. Do you really want Rock Island associated with this religious mockery? Ian has an excellent channel, does an excellent presentation, and quite knowledgeable. This religious mockery, by a very low class element deteriorates the quality of Forgotten Weapons.

Those and: Death before Dismount!

That would make a good shirt

@@chemech Oh bugger, the tank is on fire! (Scurries painfully out the hatch)...

Hmmmm.... drops ak begins working on plans too build a mech.....

@@jamesdillonmccracken Sure you don't want to start with a technical that can be fired from inside the cab? Just for warmup. ;-)

You know the chieftain daily driver is the M3 Stuart

You'd love the M2 Medium tank then. In addition to it's main gun, it had seven (7) .30 cal machine guns with the option for two more for AA use =P

I see you too are a man of culture.

@@lavrentivs9891 Yeah, but the M2 only had a 37mm main gun, and the armor was too thin for 1942. Granted Patton loved it, for he believed in more dakka. He wanted dual M1919 coaxes.

@@PassiveDestroyer Never said that it was a good tank, just that it had a ridiculous amount of machine guns =P

@@lavrentivs9891 In the Chieftain's words: the M2 is a self-propelled machine gun nest.

*goes off in search of a gun* *comes back with several bolted to an M4 Sherman*

You can never have enough of something you do not actually need

I'm reminded of Adam Savage's famous line from Mythbusters. "I reject your reality and substitute my own." As long as you have mechanized transport, there's no such thing as too many guns. You never regret the extras you didn't have to use, you hope to survive and regret not having the extra you could have brought.

@@MacDorsai It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Having guns all around the vehicle was actually disruptive for combat effectiveness - you would be shooting at "everything but really nothing at all" as Mr. David Fletcher once put it.

🤣🤣🤣

My $1 a month patreon finally pays off after two years! Lol

Time for the new MCU: the militaria curio universe!

Belarussians. Not much, but still a difference.

So many people would not get what you just said

If it helps, thanks to Soviet era, even direct neighbours lost the ability to distinguish between those, simplifying it to "Ruskie". Doesn't change the fact it's as if calling a Scotsman "English".

@@Myrth1 I mean, even their country name is just "White Russia". Belarus was basically the equivalent of a US state when it was part of the USSR, no? I always wondered what the difference was between the Soviet Republics (And by extension, the Russian Republics today), and the US states. Was it just that? A lower form of government for a more localized area? or were they semi-autonomous in some way?

Soviets used Shermans too, so why not?

SIX, SIX .50S! OVERKILL FOR LITERALLY ANY LUFTWAFFE AIRCRAFT

laughs in A-26B

@@rebelgaming1.5.14 Try 8, the p47 had 8 M2s with around 1200 rounds each per min.

@@TwisterTLT1 Oh, wait, oops, meant the P40

@@TwisterTLT1 And the P50

Ah, yeah, what was missing from this video. Track tensioning with Ian.

Is it just me or did that command seem A, Worryingly official and B, casually delivered as if through experience. Still, like bayonets, tank tracks don't run out of ammo.

@@Penguinius well til you run out of fuel

That may or may not have happened in 2003 in western iraq lol

The good ol' 'Neutral Steer'!!!

"Let's get this out on the tray........Nice!"

**pops open a can of .30** Nice hiss!

That's when Ian does a video on a spork gun.

There is no overkill, only "Open fire" and "Reload" - Maxim #37 (Amended).

I would dig a hole if I heard that thunk thunk thunk of the .50 cal

“Drive me closer, I wish to hit them with my sword.”

Arie Heath made me spit out my drink, ya bastard 😂

@@mushroom_gal490 I sell that as a T-shirt, sometimes.

@@arieheath7773 well in one of his videos where he was talking about the Abrams and said that his crew was issued bayonets

"Gunner!" "Sir?" "Do you see that vehicle?" "Yes, sir!" "I DON'T WANT TO." "Yes, SIR!"

*How to make an American laugh Fixed that for you.

Americans have never used that sentence and don’t understand that sentence “too many....machine....guns..??”

Have you seen americans. Theyre already sweating. They all weigh 500 pounds.

@chris younts Im Canadian. The fat and the weak are killed by polar bears here. The elderly freeze when our week of summer is over.

On the bright side. As you can see weve got internet now. So weve got that going for us, which is nice... Have you seen this new movie "caddy shack" its hilarious.

"On the way!"

I was a Submariner in the Navy. My weapon carried me and made my coffee.

@@1337penguinman I was in the Air Force. My weapon carried my officers who did my fighting for me.

Where did that come from🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣love it

Amen

Amen

praise be gun jesus

Thus Spake the Book of Armaments, Amen!

i like mine !!!

HERESY!!!

@@justineallandevelos6491 Isn't that that chocolate that tastes like vomit?

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Well if you're American, how can you tell the difference? You gotta compare to foreign chocolates.

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Oh, it doesn't apply then. I'm not American either, they have specially a U.S. version & an international version.

Knock it off with the negative waves

@@idontcare9797 It's a piece of junk! The fuel system leaks everywhere

@@michaelgregory9721 BUT IT'S A TIGER!

Johnny Dep for Oddball...and Tom Arnold for Moriarty. Not even close. Ian would make a good God in a Navy Seals remake in my opinion.

"Crazy! I mean like so many positive waves maybe we can't lose!" -Oddball

I laughed when they said that because the Chieftan is well acquainted with the need for Moar Dakka

Ian caught what The Chieftain was saying and even made a joke about it. What he was saying was in regards to actual combat use, and refers to the old adage of "an unused weapon is a useless weapon", meaning, if you have more guns that you have individuals to use them, then some of the guns go unused and therefore are a useless mass of extra weight. efficiency is key, not the number of guns. adding more guns reduces the amount of ammo you can carry, and therefore affects all of the guns.

@Carnivorus having a stabilizer wasn't the issue. The problem was that we kept it so secret that no one knew how to use it except for a handful of Armoured units. They actually loved it. We got rid of it because we wanted a more advanced system.

He does use much of that collection, to be fair.

Carnivorus tankers that were actually taught how to use and maintain the stabiliser loved it though. I would have too, it would have allowed me to get off shots a lot faster and helped me survive a lot better.

Gun Jesus breaks 4th wall and looks at audience at that remark. Jeff Cooper spins in his grave.

#WarThunder but lets not start a war mate. I'm just taking the mick

KV-2 105mm gun fun

cheung chui hinn

@@Ken-no5ip what

You keep showing up in the most unexpected comment sections lol, hope you are doing well.

@@SonsOfLorgar At least he didn't sugest a renault tank.

even after watching all the "chieftain's hatch" videos, I'm still impressed at how tall that mfer is and how he still was a tanker. I know modern tanks are bigger but he still takes up all the space, and that's without wearing any combat gear or armor. Compared to that, Ian should be fine getting into anything Nick had on his channel. (even with his hat)

@@confuseatronica Was amazed the Wisconsin had a captain who was Ians height and didn't require chiropractic help after three months on her. Note if your over six feet and can fit inside an armored behemoth with out needing medical help then you are one lucky bugger.

My money is on Nick giving up first that French LMG was just terrible.

Give Chieftain a Chauchat and get Ian to get out of a tank on fire!

@@ABrit-bt6ce A person they respect buy have only recently got the chance to meet? Seems to be the case.

Praise the gods

This made my day

Hope they do more collabs. Both are rock stars in very similar fields.

@Nh20 funny

It’s to try and get people to try out world of tanks. In favor of the idea is that a lot of people are interested in this channel because of video games.

@@RG001100 That, and it also gives you a good idea of what steps you can take to make this happen again. Kinda like Project Lightning and C&R Arsenal, if WOT doesn't get enough of a bump in traffic this is less likely to happen again.

@@Rabidwall it's a shame because I already play WoT. Maybe I'll make an in game purchase in honour of this video haha.

I watched both channels independently and I was surprised to see them together. I prefer War Thunder tho, so... fail marketing.

@@jwalt2032 might give it a go, but I'm a console pleb, so I'm not sure if the codes work on PS4.

Pete Hall what about gaijin and decompressing BR?!?!?!

Pete P Right?!?!

@@petep8828 well considering they have slowly begun to...

Well except US Ordinance did listen but nice joke.

Jacen Hawk bullshit they filled the game with premiums and put vehicles that have no business fighting eachother into the same match

I believe they would be experiencing a Significant Emotional Event, while I'm tracking them for follow up shots.

"yup.. i dont think they would like that........ that being said, lead the target when you fire"

@@calska140 I met Nicholas at an event in Ottawa once, he is a indeed very tall individual.

@Dave: yes, but Ian is on the tall side of the majority of the male population of the US. Look at him on his videos.

@@charlesadams1721 I always assumed that Ian was tall, 6'2" or so. He's actually tiny compared to Nicholas, which was weird.

Moran is a very tall man, most armies would say he's way too tall. Watching his videos of getting in and out of tanks is.. entertaining. One of the commonalities between the two mend is there concentration on the history of firearms and armored vehicles. When must of the internet and other media is almost always concentrated on the lowest possible denomnator, you can rely on Ian and Nicholas to provide not only the history, but the why it is what it is.

The Chieftain's ready to be an original Potsdam Giant.

I knew this comment would be here take my up vote good sir Edit: spelling

Chieftain: DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!

Maybe it's a reference to track tensioning that he always goes on about.

@@Shalom6801 No, it's a reference to how infantry go *crunch*.

..spoken by a cake eater...lol...till the the sun goes up and you find an arm in your tracks while doing track tension...2nd day ODS, Feb.1991

Thank You, No Warrior that Stands Tall so others can live. Should ever be forgotten.

I'd like to share below clip to show proper respect and also to share what Guardsman Charlton probably went through. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vj3rcOBhqt8.html Above clip is from a large-scale simulated combat training using MILES in South Korea. It shows a ROK K1 tank crew member using a dismounted M60D (usually pintle mounted for loader) after his tank was disabled due to a simulated hit by a RPG (actually Panzerfaust 3 in the simulation). Above clip is from a documentary showing ROK 23rd Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division "White Skull" face off against dedicated OpFor unit during a large-scale simulated combat training at the Korea Combat Training Center (KCTC).

Wow. He was such a badass even the Germans were like "give this man a medal". Amazing story, thanks for sharing.

From a time where war was fought with respect

@@dak4465 hold on now my dude, lets not pretend ww2 was fought with respect or civility. My grandfather was on the eastern front and was adamant that it was anything butt.

Ma. Ma Deuce. Not mod.

It does very well holding a carton of cigarettes!

Are those labels for the crew or for the drones who fit out the vehicle?

@@andrewcharles459 drones? No dude, you pack and prep your own vehicle and would be pretty dumb not to do so. Those big ole labels are still there though!

Functioning perfectly.

At the end I got [applause] - read my mind subtitles

Is it not?

BoFoenss is this an issue?

@Dave quite literally heavy metal

You only need the .30 and the 76mm, for the shotgun part you have canister shot in the main gun.

You can at least be fairly certain the 75mm is going to knock down the steel for full points

I wouldn't be surprised if this unbeliever was smitten offscreen

@Олег Козлов The_Chieftain is tank Jesus. His powers may in fact be stronger, seeing as that tanks are more powerful than small arms.

Yeah, I kindof forgot who I was talking to there, for a second.

@@TheChieftainsHatch 🤣🤣🤣

@@TheChieftainsHatch I think "But you're you." covered it nicely

That needs to be a t shirt!!!

Chieftain did sell it for a limited run through his channel. M4 with a 75 pointing at what appears to be a Prius, with or without Chieftain himself standing out the TC cupola with a sword. I'm wearing one now.

@Max William Lauf can't forget those...

@Max William Lauf r lee ermey is already a caricature of bad leadership. That is why the show probably has him as the cheesy host.

@Max William Lauf And there would be aliens or bigfoot nazis

You pretty much nailed it, almost like this content is already made and you are reading the post-script.

Yup

In terms of typical issuing, an _M4A1(75)_ in 1943 would have (90) 75mm. rounds, (300) caliber 0.50", and (4,750) caliber 0.30". In addition to (600) rounds of caliber 0.45" for personal/ issued smallarms and upwards of (12) hand grenades (smoke mainly, though some thermite, fragmentation, and WP smoke were used ). An _M4A2(76)W HVSS_ here would have (71) 76mm. rounds, (600) caliber 0.50", and (6,250) caliber 0.30", as well as (12) 2" smoke grenades. Plus the same (600) rounds of caliber 0.45" possibly switched out with .30" Carbine, and (12) hand grenades. With either variant, even in late 1944, carrying (10,000) rounds of caliber 0.30" inside and outside the vehicle wasn't unheard of. And presumably more or less of the rest save for the main gun. In essence, *_NEVER_* too much dakka.

@@peterson7082 and still had a low burn rate and high crew survivability

@SCP 096 Probably because its supposed to be a gun only topic. There is a very good mythbusting sherman tank video.

Most WW2 tanks had huge ammo storages. Panthers had 60+ rounds of ammo

@@tigre7303 I find it funny that all British made tanks had a higher burn rate than the Sherman, however the Sherman earned the reputation. Not only did the British tanks have a higher burn rate, they were nearly impossible to get out of, if the tank was hit.

The British: main gun is underpowered. Install the 17 pdr. The Sherman firefly is born.

@@paulmcewen7384 one thing I notice, the Sherman is an American tank, But the Sherman firefly is considered a British tank, all we really did was change the bloody gun

@@megaxtrime3144 I read that the Americans weren't interested. they kept building Shermans with that underpowered gun and sending crews off to die.

@@paulmcewen7384 Except Americans didnt burn to death as often because they didnt overload their tanks.

@@paulmcewen7384 The Chieftain literally disproved that bullshit personally.

He must have. Was a tank commander for the US in Iraq.

I feel that's more of an InRange video I think.

I'm sure Gun Jesus is part spider monkey with how agile he is.

Agreed. Must be in the bloopers.

Ml by ml

By

It sounds like...... VICTORY!

Those are just texan jingle bells;)

It's a great sound

I thought it looked like gun Jesus with a Browning hard on pissing hot lead all over his enemies

@@wedohedoshedooowee828 Insert the Sex Machine's penis revolver gif here.

@BlackDeathViral03 The bow gunner also had a little periscope window. Hardly ideal, but you could still see outside to nominally direct your fire. At 9:00 you can see it on the underside of the bow gunners hatch.

@@MrShadowpanther3 ohh took me a bit to find it but yeah that little rectanlgy bit on the hatch... guess it was used while under fire to direct the ball mount?

@BlackDeathViral03 The thing is... the M4 was a decent tank, but it wasn't the best designed tank of the war. It had some issues, the ball gun being one of them, it was cheap, it had effective armor due to the sloping, it was cheap to make, because they went the whole way with making it easy to work on, the interchangable gun mounts ect. They even helped the Soviets fix the front armor on the T-34 (which was one of the best tanks in the war, and amusingly the version that drivetanks has that you can actually fire is the T-34-85, which did have the OOMPH needed to pen a tiger's frontal armor. yeah it was at like 800 meters or closer, where the 8.8cm flak they used could pen..almost anything at like 1500m, The T-34 was one of the best tanks of the war hands down, the soviets really made one hell of a comeback considering they were still reeling from the aftermath of the October Revolution in 1917, and all of Stalin's paranoid purges in the military. OFC it wasn't Stalin directing the war, it was the much more venerable and foresighted Field Marshal Zhukov that actually broke the nazi's back as he organized the defense at Stalingrad, and Kursk (which after Kursk the USSR never lost another battle against the Nazis, and he was declared Marshal of the Soviet union, something that paranoid ass Stalin bagged him for, because he saw him as a thread) ...side ramble incoming sry

Sad thing is, i already play wot, so ill need to make a second account to show my support

How can we convince the almighty employer to let us have more if we already have WoT? We could just make alt accounts every time you give us collaborations, but that'll drive down your player retention stats.

Ill buy a premium in honor of this video

Keep these guys making videos!

If we don't see more of these videos I'll get my gaming buddies to delete our accounts.

Such a useful list even IRL.

There must also be a "stop/cease fire" once there are no longer pieces large enough to effectively hit. At that point you burn it with fire.

The gospel of Hiram Maxim?

@@JunkCCCP The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries

Paul Zaborny the article I found dates this to November 2015 I hope they didn’t scrap it.

Paul Zaborny build it strong enough...then double it! Brilliant!

John Browning says hello.

If that don't work use more gun.

Dont use more ammo, get a bigger gun

If there's too many targets, more bullets and more guns and get bigger guns with more ammo in case you have to deal some large fuckers.

Retort. The tank can only store so many bullets, hence a single movable gun that you’ll be able to use is better.

NEEDZ MOR DAKKA

Except the Germans did.

Wait really? I never would have imagined being ball-checked was the punishment for unware foot-mobiles when a tank was deleting something.

@@Justowner Neither did I!

If don't mind me asking, how much would that be in today's money taking account into inflation?

Inflation calculator says $500 in 1970 is about $3300 today.

@@Bob3519 wow, then I wouldn't mind buying one, but know that they tank will worth more with factor beside inflation, probably at least couple hundred thousands now instead.

They sold jeeps and deuce and a halfs too.

Bob3519 damn that's cheap

The new date of Christmas is December 7th for Gun Jesus fo- wait.

The 7th of December, 2019, the date that will live on in...famy? I guess?

It's one of the signs that Christmas is close.

No but it is The Day of Infamy.

Gun Jesus meets with one of the Wise Men 2019 colorized

30 cal, between 4750 and 6250 rounds depending on variant.

Probably only company in the world that have guts to show finger to RU-vid and all of this anti evwrything censorship.

too bad they forgot how to balance their product and deal with long standing un addressed cheat engines

Fuck WOT get Tanktastic. Underrated tank game with more to offer in game mechanics then WOT did in years.

@ You mean Warthunder? I quite liked that game back when it was only aircraft and when they first released the tank beta with Germany and Russia, loved playing RB Air battles in the planes that fell below tier 3, I haven't played it for, must be 5 years now that I haven't had a PC, but I loved the Hurricanes and the F4F-3, and having played WoT, I much prefered Warthunder instead of having a health bar in WoT.

Me today learning how to arrest wife beaters

You must mean heresy, not hearsay, right?

Cool

who's Irish?

@@blazingsniper2611 Nicholas. He has gone on record that he is, indeed, Irish.

Purge the heretic

It's neither.

Well, it got us this video, so something fun came of it.

I heartily concur!