@@hoardhog3812 yes, they drank contaminated water. The governor i think it was that had slowly put contaminated zombieblood into the groundwater from the outside. Which then contaminated the water that Cellblock used. Ironicly rest of the show gladly ignores all risks of contaminations. But if ever a real zombie apocalypse.... then 3rd part contaminations would be a real scenario problemissue. Even flies can spread such contaminations!. But the problrm with TWD, is that they claim all the wotld is allready contaminated. It is only when thry die they get activated. And obvious when bitten they get infected by an "activated blood". So if a bite from an activated blood can infect fast. And a contaminated water with DILUTED activated blood can infect slowly!. Then a fly which spreads activated blood from corpses etc... into whomever the fly bites... would then in realisticly also able to spread the zombie virus!. So that is a huge flawed overseen scenario. Allready in todays world a lot of deadly viruses do spreads through flies etc bites.
To this day, the fish eye view of Morgan’s wife standing on the porch, trying to get back into the house, to get at her family and to make them just like her, and that slowly turning doorknob is FAR more terrifying than nearly anything else on the show.
couldnt have said it better lol. i remember watching this episode as a kid with my dad and i had NIGHTMARES about this exact scene for weeks. it left an impact on me thats forsure😂
Doesn’t make sense though given how viral infections and diseases work and how later instances of walkers work, I hope they find a way to make it work though
that was a feasible theory until fear the walking dead release and showed the normal slow walkers in its first season despite it taking place in the first days of the outbreak.
That makes sense. Which would give them the ability to somewhat run. Or just walkers sometimes just randomly mutate, which could make them stronger, intelligent, or run. That makes sense to me in a zombie universe. Personally, I wish this series went that route with their walkers. Man, I really dislike the term “walker”. 🗿
Well that Otis fellow was fully fattened up, must’ve tasted like Wagyu beef to the walkers, and there were so many of them, if they didn’t run, they’d miss out for sure.
i would have loved for freshly turned Walkers to be more of a threat. faster, some motor skills, random sparks of faint memory etc. that diminish as muscles atrophy and so do neural connections. that way a herd is not just a predictable monolith who's only factor is in numbers. nd also losing someone in your group would be a bigger threat, killing other people would be a more difficult decision. because you make smarter walkers that will mix in with the herd that can change behaviour of the whole group. it would have made the story more interesting. but this very late change of mind makes it the other way around. keep story going to make interesting walkers that feel so disconnected. they have no purpose, just content to consume. "please please keep watching!! look at this shiny new thing"
It would be cool, but I would think that this variant would eventually disappear as the bodies continued to rot and decay - I could see these as more "freshly" turned walkers. With the onset of rigor and such, things would change unless there is some crazy biological reason as to why the virus would be different with these and would inhibit natural decomposition.
@@stevejoyce4765 as long as there are survivors new people get turned all the time. these would mix with existing herds and create a mix of different capabilities. when you fight another group you have to take that into consideration. walkers already do decompose in the show, just a lot slower. why couldnt it be for those skills as well? they do fade with time until they become the walkers we know. but you'd have to study a herd carefully, gauge how long they've been dead, give thoughtto if you want to shoot your enemy, lest you add new walkers that change behavioral patterns and might make your defenses weaker, . it'd make them feel more like remnants of humans than just mindless tools, no more interesting than a hammer. not a drastic black and white, but including a fading echo. i think Fear ot really wild in its last seasons but one of the few interesting aspects to me was Alicia following that walker, seeming to half-remember his path. wondering if he actuaally does or if she's just wishful thinking. more of that as for scientifically, there could be lots more interesting explanations, like the virus infecting muscles as well, hence why they are able to keep going. converting not needed organs for energy, hence they dont really digest food but still have enoughh energy to move around. etc etc. i think they really boxed themselves in with that early explanation. it was too specific, while also not fully explaining some of the how, just the why. they killed any capacity for variation
Kind of surprised that The Governor’s ‘Daughter’ isn’t on this list. She was unique in how she actually wouldn’t attack The Governor and was satisfied with the meat he brought her. (Though he was shown to remove her teeth at one point) Later (remembering from the comic) she saw an ‘intruder’ to her home, and her first instinct was actually to run away and ‘seek help’, or to alert someone to the ‘intruder’. This being a sign of extreme intelligence compared to average walkers, or maybe even the protectors. (Only reason it rivals is because she was NOT the Governor’s daughter, rather it was some sick thing where he betrayed his buddy and then fully deluded himself that his buddy’s daughter was his, so there shouldn’t be any reason she’d be so familiar and child-like with him.)
Maybe the reason for her to display such level of intelligence despite being a walker was because she has been fed and cared for by governor thus in return making her body and even brain to maybe still function long enough for her to display intelliegence.
@@inshal6420idk if I’d even call it “taming” as that still implies a sense of control and “social domestication” of sorts, as it seemingly was more like… how if you brought in a hyena, it might consider you a part of it’s “pack” to a degree… but you have to be careful bc they know you ain’t really one of them, but for now they tolerate you
I remember when Rick found a lonely, crazy Morgan that he mentioned "whispering walkers." At first, i thought it was a variant, but later, it turns out he met the Whisperers early on. Those face wearing dead herding freaks.
Its obvious that wasnt the intention though, Morgan was crazy and couldnt tell the difference between the living and dead. The whisperers weren't written until later
I always interpreted the walker hordes as just shambling groups attracted by the sound. Having like 100 walkers in a close proximity would probably be pretty loud. So, logically, it just draws in more walkers. Like the quarry in season 6 (i think its season 6). There couldve been 10's of thousands of walkers in the quarry so you could probably hear it from a long distance away which causes stray walkers and other walker hordes to join the bigger group. Just follow the sound, not some pack mentality. But its interesting to see the animalistic nature of it.
There is one thing everybody always leaves out. Vast majority of the walkers have been ar po und for some time. To the point they shouldn't even be able to move or function and I am thinking about the brain and how quick it would turn to mush and be destroyed by rot which is end of the line. Most people have figured out that people turn when they die and that hitting them in the head kills them. So there are not going to be mass hoards of zombies. 28 days later had the right Idea how long until they starve to death in this case how long will it take for decomposition to kill the zombies off. Unfortunately it doesnt work for the story bit the show turned to shit and the spin offs all sound like a joke. It seriously feels like they think their viewers are idiots and I think they might be right.
The expressions on roamers faces says all for me, especially the ones using the rocks to break the glass in the department store episode. That one had a look of pure rage on its face.
Imagine how chilling it would be if roamers could speak a little. Not clear sentences but just very small simple words like “it hurts” “help me” “so hungry”. Little Sophia slowly shambling out of the barn: “mom-my?”
When i first watched TWD and The Wishperers first appeared and i heard the zombies speak i was shocked Its a scary to think some zombies could speak, imagine zombies using words to lure you, like you would go into a building to look for food and all of a sudden you hear "Heelp mee" you rush to the sound a see a zombie
Symbiosis just means that its a close, long term interaction between 2 species, it can be mutualistic (good for both), parasitic (good for 1, bad for the other) or commensalistic or wtv its called lmao (good for 1, irrelevant to the other)
In the case of nature using the walker as a host, one would have to test to see if it was beneficial for the walker in some way as well for it to be used as a host. As it sits from what we see, that isnt the case...actually it seems to disfigure/immobilize them after a while. It in fact would be a parasitic symbiosis.
Idk if you can call it a variant but there was the super strong walker in FTWD who pulled a soldier through a hole in the wall. Maybe it was bench pressing for months until it was disturbed.
I'd say climbers we're probably people who turned while running from a horde, their panic and goal of getting away keeping the motor function and obstacle avoidance parts of their brain running
I can imagine some crazy groups testing this theory out by throwing some people and zombies into a large ditch and see if the people attempting to climb show that trait after being zombified
The french women in the post credit scene of world beyond is shot in the back, not head... But it`s the most interesting variant i`m curious about, i was expecting them to show some of them in daryl spin off, but they didn`t....yet. Maybe in season 2 :D Anyway, seeing dr Jenner again was super cool, that post credit scene was the best thing of world beyond :))
@@TrippieFox funny how people like you, that don’t know shit about me, have an opinion about me…but you don’t know me…and don’t know what I care about…
Zombies are scary in a cosmic horror sense too. Having something thats so close to you a human be violent and be a canablia adds to the fear. Most movies ignore the stillness of a corpose of a loved one by turning it into a action movie
Your videos are top tier. I love that someone can actually go in depth in this crazy universe. Can't wait to see more content. I can't even explain how you are so underrated. It's crazy
We know that the walker pathogen is systemic to every person on Earth, but it didn't kill everyone or make everyone sick, even though it does reanimate everyone who dies; so there's definitely variation in how the infection affects people. The roamers were definitely retconned due to a change in writing direction, but I like to think that they were quickly "selected against," just like mutants in any population of organisms. Roamers that could pick up rocks or climb fences were undoubtedly the first walkers to be killed during a herd stampede: they were almost always the first into the fray, so they were an immediate threat to any survivors and were put down before any other walker. Eventually there are no more roamers because that particular mutation was removed from the population of walkers. Kind of like beetles in a forest: the ones with a mutation that changes their color and makes them stand out among the rest get removed from the population first, until you're left with a more homogenous population.
@@Shannon-vv6rrDidn’t he refuse the antibiotics? I’m pretty sure they have him fever reducer and pain reliever like ibuprofen. Anyways, in the show he only lasted 1-2 days after infection, which isn’t ridiculous because he wasn’t bitten in an immediately fatal spot. In the games, they left clementine in a shed overnight because they were scared of her turning, even hours later. The fever is the thing that actually kills the person, I’m sure it’s some sort of encephalitis that swells and inflames the brain. I wish they would’ve been more realistic about it. Seizures, mouth foaming, they did make Jim puke but I think it was motion sickness from the RV. In my opinion, depending on where you were bitten, it would probably take 4-12 hours for someone to turn granted they didn’t die from bloodloss or other substancial damage.
Season 5 when Daryl and Carol are in the city looking for Beth after they flip the van- there was a walker laying down (lurker) with a machete fully gripped in its hand and it doesn’t let go before Carol or Daryl kill it 👀👀
@@OliveOil176 Except Rigor Mortis is only temporary, it goes away after 12-24 hours and only happens after a body has ceased moving, when someone dies they turn into a walker and get up and start moving before rigor mortis can take effect
I think Rad-Walkers are possible-ish, they obviously wouldn't be bothered much by the Radiation since they're... y'know... already dead. But if the dose and exposure was high enough, they'd most likely absorb and emit that radiation for a long time -- though I don't think it'd be nearly enough to be lethal to the living, unless they're literally hugging the walkers for a few minutes at a time. I'm pretty sure instead of bubbly and boil-covered skin, said skin would most likely fall off entirely... that's what happens w/ living bodies, anyways, which could've been a REALLY cool visual; just rotting skinless walkers shambling around.
No ... the Amount of Radiation would simply boil there brain and they would fall dead after a short while ... specialy since the radiation walkers come from the literally blast crater of the Bombs if i got the show correctly in which they definetly would not survive . since shown in the series that the bombs werent like explodet mid air like the hiroshima and nagasaki bombs but much closer or on impact , sitting in the blast crater of that thing would basically be like hugging the elefants foot in Chernobyl
I could definitely see rad-walkers generating from the fallout afterwards. Cuz you’re absolutely correct, walkers don’t give a damn about things like radiation and that crossed thru the area sometime after would be radioactive as hell. Plus all the walkers for miles around would be wandering towards the brightest and loudest thing they’ve ever seen.
Tbh even a touch from something that's directly radioactive will kill a human being or make them extremely unwell at least. That's why x-ray technicians have to wear full suits of iron and rad check meters to level their radiation by even being in the room (my mom was one)
Don’t forget the Spiked Walker that Rick fought at the Garbage place. But it’s basically just a normal Walker that had its body with metal wielded on it
I like how the book the rot and ruin did their zombies with freshly dead 1's an older 1's having differences and how zombie hoards would slowly head downhill and congregate in valleys
there was a more capable walker in season 3 who peeled the Woodbury Broken fence open, in the French scene they started it then they made it worse not just made it worse
@@KendooXDit’s not unlikely that the zombie virus mutates differently depending on the environment and/or rate of transmission. Real life viruses mutate differently depending on a multitude of factors, one being transmission rates (surprisingly enough). So it doesn’t seem illogical for the zombie virus to start mutating as transmission slows due to the living human population dropping. So it starts mutating into allowing some portions of the brain to function normally like an athletic section or a more active motor function section. This is all purely my interpretation of the virus, and until we have some sort of understanding of the type of virus and a general explanation on its mutation process we can only speculate
Walking around a corner in a dark ally and seeing a walker eat a body, turning around to look at you and screaming as loud as possible „HEEELLP HELP ME OH GOD PLEASE HEEEELLLP!!!“
You did forget Winston, which was a walker in a junkyard arena who had been impaled with metal pieces and spikes, and then wrapped in bits of scrap metal, including a helmet. He went from ordinary walker to bullet resistant, headshot-proof juggernaut who doesn't even have to bite or grab you to kill you. He can just run at you and if he gets too close, you get impaled to death.
I like to think that roomers were a thing at first when the virus first started but it was able to quickly evolve to entirely eliminate all possibility of the host retaining its mind
Former nuclear radiologist w a decade of experience, specializing in meltdown emergency plans and decontamination here! In case anyone is curious, radiated walkers are 100% probable, given that walkers already exist and that they've come in contact with Nuclear radiation. Typically, you'd only see this with people that work in close proximity with the reactor, on the plant, though. When an atom is unstable, it starts giving off particles to try to stabilize itself, and those particles hit other atoms, knocking them free and destabilizing them as well. That's how the entire nuclear process works. Though rare it is possible for this to happen to the atoms that make up a human, and you CAN become radioactive as a result. But the halftime reduces by like, half every seven hours, so depending on the source of radiation that can go very quickly. The radiated effect wouldn't realistically last very long on a walker, unless the walker itself somehow became a fully functioning nuclear reactor that provides a steady amount of new fuel to knock the particles off and destabilize. I'd probably give it a month or two tops, and the radiation would wear off in reality, even the boils that are likely a result of alpha or beta particles being lodged in the flesh. A rain would mostly wash that off (unless it's also contaminated, so that could extend the contamination cycle!), so the only place the radiation could be on them undisturbed is either injected (think stepping on broken glass), consumed, or inhaled alpha or beta particles, as gamma particles cut straight through like xrays, up to a foot of concrete or an inch of led.
The scientist in the WB post credit scene was shot in the back, not the head. The most surprising thing about her turning was how fast it took, as well as the speed and strength.
To me the most surprising fact was that she knew where to run like she remembered where her killer went even though he was no longer there and the door were closed.
I've always liked the theory that the roamers just degenerate over time, but my headcanon is that maybe there's a difference in whether someone turns before or after dying of other causes. Like maybe there's some crossover between when the zombie instincts take over and the person instincts fade away where they're both present in the consciousness?
I think the walkers remembering makes sense. It's your brain, it's not gone, it's just dead. It's also much more interesting than the extremely predictable walkers from later seasons.
Walking Dead Director: Hey, y'all remember the Rat King from The Last Of Us Part II? Walking Dead Team: Yeah? Walking Dead Director: Let's do something like that.
@@Asterion_Mol0c stayed true to itself. Didn't take itself seriously and was never boring. Every episode was the equivalent of a season of the walking dead.
I feel like roamers can be explained as a stage of zombie instead of a variant, because in a way, Matt Pats theory on this a while ago makes sense, the show first started, and so the zombies would maybe still be somewhat “alive”. But that’s just a theory.
I'd like to say this is (probably) debunked by recently-turned walkers in the later seasons being similar, however, the lack of consistent nutrition in survivors could play a part
roamers and all that is so easy to design, a fresh walker/roamer has signs of personality and better movement while the older ones shamble and sit around very slowly, i feel like that makes logical sense
So far the only other movies to depict zombies either retaining some memories or gain intelligence after time are Dawn of the Dead (1978) and Land of the Dead (2004) respectively. Then again, that was the result of space radiation so I dunno why zombies in this show only get dumber saved for extremely rare "uncommon" or "special" infected ones.
*@TySwell* 🧟♂️ I mean, having *SOME* walkers run and show a tad bit of intelligence, which would be very rare. I think that would be cool, like walkers can sometimes mutate . That just makes sense to me in a “zombie” universe.
Awesome video! I love TWD so much, I just very recently found your channel, you are criminally under subbed! I’m sure it won’t be long until you are huge. The quality of your work is great, can’t wait to see what you do next. 🙂
I actually like the zombies that Frank Darabont made for the first two seasons. It gives the show a different approach and more reasons to the intelligent walkers the group had gone up against. It would have been interesting to see more of the fresh walkers at the start of the show, they looked more human like, allowing their body language to be more threatening.
I dont think the early zombies are variants.... its just that they originally wrote the show to have zombies with memory remnants and then they quickly abandoned that idea later in the show.
1:20 - He probably went that way because originally Walking Dead zombies were literally just George Romero zombies - And zombies in Dawn Of The Dead and Day Of The Dead exhibit signs they have vague memories of their past lives.
Just found you ,i love that you include everything in the universe , all the parts count even if most people dont think anything but the flagship matters ! You even remembered bicycle girls story and everything from tales ! Great job! I will be subscribing and looking for more stuff from you ! ❤
If walkers stayed as they were in first season, then (I'm trying to avoid spoilers) a certain character keeping their turned family members would make a lot more sense
I would say the idea of intelligent roamers would be a good possibility for the first few months and start fading out as the non active parts of the brain would slowly start decomposing.
i mean one explanation for the climbers in season 11 is the virus mutated in certain people allowing them to be a climber. now it could be argued that it really should have mutated earlier but hey it's tv
Actually they already had the ability to climb in season one, when Glenn and Rick lose their walker disguises in the rain, some walkers climb over a fence.
Realistically, rad-walkers would be completely skinless, which would’ve been rad…-ical, though, compared to a normal walker, they would rot like crazy, they would die from extended exposure as the radiation eventually melts away their brain stem
My favorite variants of walkers are definitely the Walker king from Dead City and the hybrid walker from Daryl Dixon show because of not only their look but behavior as well! I like the names you gave some of these walkers. It would be interesting to see some of the France variants invade the States but we’ll have to wait and see about that one
My biggest problem plot hole with this whole franchise is that with the time jumps, we see the world 10+ years after the initial outbreak. Yet even a decade later, there were still hoards of hundreds of thousands or millions of walkers. But regardless of a re-animation infection or not, being exposed to the elements on a daily basis for several years would result in all of the dead decomposing down to skeletons. Skeletonization can happen as quick as a few months to as long as a couple years. But either way, once this society reached the 10+ year mark, there would be virtually no walkers left.
I think that if you shoot certain parts of the brain, they might be able to turn, cause remember, they only need a small section of it, so if the rest was damaged, they might be fine
I'd love a walking dead type apocalipse, just me and the homies fucking around with zombies, putting rollerskates on one, put gloves on and have muay thai practice on the walking punching bags, doing a zombieland type of competition for creative kills
bro thinks he's in a game of just kiliing zombies. wbt other aspects like food, shelter medicine etc... no offense but the ones who boasts are the first ones to die
The Swine Flu variant. When that killer flu was going through the prison, when they went out for supplies the walkers had bloody mucus oozing out of their eyes and nostrils.
The kid that picks up the teddy bear was a dream it never happened. Also this is what is called a romero zombie they act on old habit patterns. Like going to a mall playing football or playing an instrument this is nothing but a ghost of who they once were.
In the ones who live episode 2 when michonne shoots the bomb thing into the mega horde the walkers go to the sound but the gas canister Walker still walks past and against the other walkers going to the sound to still go towards michonne. Could that be a new variant that isn’t distracted by noise? Also in Dixon in Daryl’s dream thing when the kid looks like he’ll get eaten they also do not go towards Daryl while he’s shouting (I know it’s like a dream but still interesting if that was a teaser for the noise ignoring variant in TOWL ). In Dixon also when the kid is hiding under the metal sheet at the Eiffel Tower there’s only one Walker that checks under it all while Daryl and Isabelle are fighting I wonder if that could also be a more intelligent walker because the horde went after the kid first but then went for the other 2 so maybe that one remembered the kid so was checking for him.
In my opinion a more realistic explanation would be that the gas canister walker was simply deaf before turning, which would cause the walker to also be deaf
Variants might be caused by the person having a virus when they get infected with the zombie virus- the two viruses mutate when they meet and you get a variant. Different kinds of viruses might produce different variants.
In the series finale, I didn’t understand how the walkers were able to climb, given it takes muscle strength to at least climb, where as the walkers can climb, despite being very decayed. Still, despite being dead, there’s still some remnants of humanity left in them that can make them twice as dangerous.
Roamers are the regular walkers that keep traveling. The ones in 1 and 2 are the climbers that were reintroduced in 11 and I would consider the “protector” as a climber as well
The roamer personality concept isn't something I like. The literal definition of a zombie is a decomposing corpse that walks and somehow still needs to eat. It's not an alien or trapped mind thing.
I would add armored walkers as a sub-variant. 3 examples I can think of: - The prison guards in the riot suits. - The Spiked Walkers Jadis and the trash people used. - The lead-head walker found in the foundry. Then there also "Harmless" walkers as a sub-variant: - The Governor's severed heads in aquariums. - The numerous walkers who were bound, impaled, or hanging from fences. - Those so decayed they no longer constituted much of a threat. Another possible catagory could be fake walkers, AKA The Wisperers.
I like how the Last of Us treats zombies as nature, they aren’t some kind of super villain, just here for some food and a good time. Walking dead’s zombies are getting a lil cooky in the later seasons.
I like the idea of Roamers turning to husks because it shows a form of decomposition, it's also similar to how the Virals and Shamblers from dying light work
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only person to be like see the Walker king and make the connection to tlou, me and my mom were watching dead city and I IMMEDIATELY was like “TLOU DID THIS FIRST”
The wasp one is extremely feasible. Especially if it’s been immobile. It may not spew out wasps the same way. That’s over done. Unless they’re running from gasses coming out of the now animating corpse.
Idea for Walker Variant - The Primate Walker ( Zombie Monkeys, Chimps, Gorillas and etc ) - Primates share 92% to 98% common DNA with humans and humans and primates share common diseases like monkeypox and AIDS, so what if the Wild Fire Virus infected wild primates like monkeys and chimps but instead of slow walkers we get fast, aggressive zombie primates that act like and move like the Infected chimps / humans in 28 Days Later. They can climb and scale walls and sneak up on survivors, these Primate zombies would come be encountered near Zoo's or in countries where primates are more common / have large numbers.
I always thought of The Walking Dead to be the only zombie show that did not have different types of zombies, but I guess that changed. Also, the Cohorts remind me of the Crimson Heads in Resident Evil.
With the climbers, I think that it is the body slowly healing and reaching towards homeostasis. Look a the variants in Zombie Land for a better example
One thing I think you forgot but I think the one that attacked Daryl on the ship was a cohort, you can see how quick he is and smart, incredibly violent too in the way the walker killed that one guy, he turns fast to Daryl and takes a hit to the head but still attacks, this might be something to add or discuss. (Btw it was towards the end of season 1 episode 5 of Daryl Dixon
I remember in the 2nd episode seeing a walker using a brick to try n break through glass. I still don’t understand why. You don’t rlly see it throughout the rest of the show.
