Actually, the operator of boats could lose license. Can you afford injuries and medical care invalid insurance after you go behold training and what you are insured too
NAUI diver here. AOW course goes to 130fsw, plus deploy smb at half stop and simulate deco stop at 15ft with hanging deco bottle. I suppose they could make all of those individual certs
I teach Technical Diving across multiple agencies and I teach a deep diver specialty a bit different while within the ciurse standards and objectives. Instead of wasting time doing narcosis test why not teach the what-ifs on what can happen diving deep. -What if the diver accidentally exceeds the NDL -What if the diver accidentally dropped more than the prescribed debth -What if the diver had equipment failure and loose gas at that dept. ETC. These are just to name a few. Sometimes thinking out of the box and creating a more meaningful course and not just sticking to traditional methods such as color grading, narcosis test, empty water bottle sample at depth, these are already explained during the OWD course, why it needs to be repeated. IMHO
@@OceanPancakeyeah it's covered in the book, I teach with the same agency for a decade now, specialty covers 4 dives with simulation on possible problems that might occur during deep dive. What I was suggesting is it could have been nice if you have mentioned it in the video so viewers might have deeper insight instead of other people's comments that it is a useless money making specialty course. The deep dive specialty covers more information on safely driving the maximum recreational limit depth compared to the Advanced open water training depth of 30m which most viewers reiterate that AOWD is enough for them to dive the maximum recreational dive limit.
I understand advertising the course being an instructor and all, but it is no different diving to 30m and 40m. At best, a "deep diver course" should have what my instructor does: teaching actual techniques to go safely down to 40m on trim (not upright as shown) and using a stage bottle for spare air and increased safety. The egg, fruit etc. is useless...
What fruit/veg do you think I surprise people with?? ** Dive tables are vital parts of teaching diving as they allow students to understand the relationships between depth and time visually. A great way to strengthen understanding of why following a dive computer is so crucial. Going to 40m isnt *illegal* as I said, i more meant most dive operators will not take you below 30m without the certification to ensure insurances etc cover you 🤿 💦
Ocean do you have any informations about PADI TEC 40? that certification give us the basics for diving with 2 cylinders, and gives the basics for a limited decompression? I'm asking cause I would really want to follow the tec tree and have the basics of decompression. What certifications, in your opinion, are more important to follow the Tec Tree at Padi or SSI? I already have deep, nitrox, navigation, stress and rescue and react right, thank you!
They say that for scuba courses in general, but it's definitely the case when it comes to tec. Find a good instructor you can trust. And especially if you have plans or interest of taking courses for going into overhead environment, find a instructor that dives in the same configuration that you're planning to dive (backmount doubles, sidemount, rebreather model). The agency is neither here nor there if you have a good instructor.
Most all dive shops simply require AOW. I have never in my 5000+ dives been asked to show a Deep Diver certification. Not even the Spiegel, Duane, Vandenberg dives require this money grabbing “specialty” course. Don’t waste your money. The only real certs you need to have fun diving are OW, Nitrox (done at the same time as your OW) and AOW. The only other would be rescue diver to learn how to administer O2. Please don’t fall for these agency tricks to get you to waste money. Spend your money on quality gear and diving.
Hey! Dm here - it really depends. In the places I’ve worked in with AWOD we go only till 30m , to rich 40 m we always ask a deep course cert. (I’m currently in Italy, but I live in MX)
Tell us you're a 'murkin without telling us you're a 'murkin. It's not unusual here, 9692 miles from Miami, for operators to specify deep 39m as a min certification level. Of the 11 boats going out tomorrow, one specifies advanced 30m and one deep 39m. You don't need AOW to get on either boat, your deep card will suffice.
Think it really depends where you go, I know here in Australia most places will not take you for a deep dive (30-40m) unless you have the deep dive certification or then are under the supervision of a professional.
@davidbonnichsen2901. It is your opinion, but in my opinion completely bollocks what you are implying. “Advanced” is with padi and lesser with SSI “an empty shell” regarding to deepdive if you followed that course without a complete deepdive module… you can become an “advanced” diver with only 9 dives and only 1 or none deepdive…. Goodluck at 35m or deeper in cold, dark waters in for instance europe… You can be lucky in clear tropically waters with 50m or more sighting however 😅. It is also all about the school and instructor
“Illegal” is some strong wording there. 1. No such thing as the scuba police. 2. While not “illegal” it is NOT recommended to dive deeper than your certification. Whether or not insurance will cover your injury can sometimes be contingent on your adherence to your certification limits. 3. Never understood why deep diver and AOW are separately offered when a diver certed to 40m should be comfortable and competent doing the maths for that profile. Maybe someone can shed some light on the reasoning.
I should have clarified that by illegal I meant that many diving operators will not take you out to do these deep dives, until you have that appropriate certification. :)
I was with you right up until dive tables. I challenge anyone to calculate their pressure group or NDL based on their actual dive profile more accurately than a computer. also, it's never a mandarin, it never was.
Agree on that point, but teaching tables alongside computers leads to interesting questions like "why is my computer more conservative?", which ultimately leads to better informed divers.
@@ABCDiver We agree, but "bad idea" is probably too strong. Most people diving BM single AL80 to 39m as shown in the video will hit min gas well before NDL. It's definitely getting harder and harder to justify the use of an antique when there is a better technology right there on your wrist (or on your phone).
I believhaving students learn the tables and understand how all the depths and decompression limits interact helps them better understand and even trust their dive computer..
@@OceanPancake I was using a 7/5mm Full suit, 7/5mm Hood, 5mm Boots and gloves. OK. We didn't stay there long. As we lost one of the other students to a Free Flow Reg.
Had the opportunity to participate in a research study on narcosis at Shands Hospital hyperbaric chamber in Gainesville, Florida. The group took simple math and common sense tests at 10' increments in the chamber from 100 ft to 170. We were timed and graded on the quizzes. The results were astonishing. Our performance declined substantially at every 10 ft intervals, yet none of us said we felt substantially narced or impaired.
@OceanPancake At extreme depthI have noticed normal 80/20 air gets a metallic taste. I wonder if the air , under pressure takes on the properties of nitrox oxide, the gas dentists use? Not a scientist, just wonder.
I would honestly wait until : you've done your advanced, you are comfortable with your bouyancy (you're not flailing or hitting the bottom) and you can easily manage a 45+ minute dive :)
I just got my PADI Deep Diver Certification in the Bahamas and I have to say not only is it worth it but the Shearwater Peregrine Tx Dive Computer was indispensable in helping solve these tasks!!!! And @Ocean Pancake, can you do a videos on Dry Suit Diving and possibly Tec Diving?
@@OceanPancake Thank you! Also, I got certified in Maggie Island in Townsville and they just became an Avelo Dive Center. Do you have any opinions on Avelo?
Lol...but true story...one day during a deep tech/cave dive I had a deco stop at 130ft, as I looked at my computer I remembered my open water instructor telling me the limit for recreational diving was 130', and here I was doing a deco stop at 130!
@@OceanPancake my instructor did a great job helping me relax and get back into the dive. I just have to work on a slower decent until I get more used to it! Looking forward to another deep dive in the future!
if you dive for fun, you should be aware of your training and capabilities, a shortcut in diving could become a big trouble for you; in one word Awareness - my 2 cents!!!
What do you mean I don't have the right to dive deep? Are you making sure I don't do that? In the waters of which countries? Do you give fines? Are you taking me to jail? WTF?
