All You Need To Know About The Typhoon Upgrade | Forces TV 

Be out of service in 15 years. Sheeesh.

@@AS-bv6qc I believe that when I see it :) with delays and cost cutting could be decade after that at least.

A S Total testicles. The oldest Tiffies are due in service until 2035: the others sometime after 2040.

@MCS 26 Do you really believe a major military contract will come in on time??? Not only delays in development but also political manoeuvring and cost cutting.

@MCS 26 We will have to agree to disagree on this as being large is almost more likely to cause delays after all Boeing are never behind on projects :)

Apparently the engines didn't pass Euro 6 emissions test

and make a cup of tea.

*Mosquitoes were much better, and had you had the foresight to have bought one when scrapped, you would now be a £Millionaire*

The German Typhons are flying though. Arround 70 % are operational which is actually above average for military jets.

Yea and lots of pilots did exactly that, crash it, chop it and burn it.

Saudi

Hell yeah

The English electric lighting is a good jet

@@mike_hunt4783 Yep, with it's 20min average flight time and its 2 missiles. It was fast, though...

@@Aeronaut1975 It can carry more missile on the wings

@@mike_hunt4783 Loved the Lightning too. It was designed to climb fast and get to target quickly and then go home. Kinda like the Me 163 (but less dangerous and more flight-time)

@@markscarisbrick1534 I just like the design of the lightning. And there's more good planes like the vulcan Victor, hunter etc..

Remember Brexit England not in EU community anymore

@@ikanberapi2189 no but they are still some of our closest allies.

@@ikanberapi2189 Brits are still in Nato tho, and Johnson has made tht clear ,that they will remain in Nato

@@mikeneufield5499 Unbelievable, several years ago, i came at sumer time at holiday, and some ass holes told me that l can not pass some, Maddow, I told him that I would (bad words, treated them,) even l didnt known that Boris Johnson came to holydays☺️, in Cro. But at Island Vis, when teenager yoir future king came at island Vis, theirs James Bonds or security, bcz they were not polite, finished in Hospital, hmmm,. No one didnt known who is he znd nobody care even je jump in the pool, in midnight....

AngrySaxon lol

Canada

Nick Pyne Yeah but I am going to miss the Typhoon.

@Phil Earl A good 15 years.

RAF missed a trick not having a little bit of target practice on Blackpool.

@The British Hardly! Against a sustained multi-front threat even with NATO the RAF is way to light on numbers.

@The British Sorry, you needs to get your FACTS sorted out, from ill-informed opinions. As for not "knowing anything" I've spent years as a professional military operational analyst ('war gamer" to you) so I suggest it's you who's knowledge is questionable. As for the RAF always having the upper hand - yes great planes and first class pilots and support - BUT too small. Do the availability sums.

@The British If only you were right.

The British I think you need to enrol in a drug rehabilitation programme.

The British Screenshot and saved as evidence. You’re obviously not all there.

Yes, next step should be to play with the software aka F18 removal of AoA limits.

Bob thebomb Bad idea: she’d lose her carefree handling. But if the aerodynamic tweaks now in flight test are applied the AoA limits will expand dramatically as rate of roll.

@@glennridsdale577 Carefree handling is no good if the other guy turns inside you.

@@bobthebomb1596 The only modern jet that gets close to turning inside a Typhoon is an F-22.

@@glennridsdale577An F22 will turn a typhoon inside out with its thrust vectoring engine. Also we are looking at going forward. Every man and is mutt will look at that F18 footage an say "I want my aircraft to be able to turn like that" I have seen nothing in the Typhoon's manoeuvrability that sets it that apart from a Rafale, Gripen or Su27.

Canada should get in on the new purchases too. The drama with US fighters and trade has gone on too long. As much as I wish a deal could have gone through, Canada can't wait any more. They should immediately place an order for 100 new Typhoons or Rafale to replace all fighters with parts delivered soon for local production and maintenance. The most capable upgraded variants of Typhoon and Rafale are close enough in capabilities that they can choose whichever they prefer.

J L yes goddammit, spending money on something newer and more capable🙄🙄

Jabber 1974 call me when u need a stealth fighter

@@Jabber-ig3iw Capable how? Its a comfirmed Raptor Killer in red flag operations

Will Johnson sorry I mistook you for just some random keyboard warrior on RU-vid I didn’t realise you are worlds top authority on all things f35 and have, with your extensive knowledge of the aircraft no doubt gained from hundreds of hours in the cockpit, concluded it to be a dog. That’s for your expert knowledge.🙄🙄

Jabber 1974 because you are?

@Mike‘s World I didn't forget the Nimrod. What? By bombing some slack-jawed extremists in Syria? We're America's bitch man, nothing more, and even more with Brexit. We do what we're told and bomb where we're told to bomb while the Americans shoot at our troops because they're not trained how to not shoot at friendly non-Americans.

We did it with our Navy too... All three carriers decommissioned and scrapped years before the replacements were even fully together let alone sea trialed once, twice etc, landing & take-off trialed etc... Still not operational. It could be a different story if we have a bit more money after we leave the prison that is the EU.

So what? There is no credible threat to the UK.

Jibriltz exactly how many times have the Americans friendly fired on the British? Once in Korea? Once during the Gulf War? 3 times during Afghanistan? Twice in Iraq? A third of these were equipment malfunctions. Only 3 of them can be really considered America’s fault.

They do have drones that they'll fire at and shoot down, like the Mirach target drone. But it sounds like that's rare and its a lot of simulations and testing part of the system.

@@davidhouseman4328 it was when I saw the in cockpit footage of them firing that made me wonder as they're clearing not enaging enemy planes or fig 12s

As far as i know from the german typhoon's, they're using "training missiles that just track the target and do not leave the plane.

For live fire tests, target tugs. Usually towed (probably drones nowadays). Expensive game though. For training there are missile envelopes within they shouldn't miss that are used in training without live fire. Combining aspect, position, range etc. So you know when a kill is theoretically 100%. Outside those envelopes but inside the missiles range they can potentially be avoided by defensive manoeuvres. Forcing an opponent defensive like this has use cases.

@@mostevil1082 so is that primarily done over land then in large countries like Cannada same as our tanks GLMRS?

Yes. In fact the link began with Tornado and Typhoon, of course.

@@glennridsdale577 Good stuff.

@@glennridsdale577 What happened to Hurricane?

Gideon Okun Perfectly reasonable question. The Hurricane was such iconic aircraft that the RAF will never reuse the name. Just as they’ll never reuse Spitfire, Lancaster, Vulcan or Hunter. The original Typhoon and Tempest are far less well known, while hardly anyone will have heard of the Hawker Tornado.

I cant disagree.. we cant disagree. Theyre both Raptor Killers in Red flag operations

But if i was to choose planes for Ireland. It have to be the SU-30 or F-15 and a handful of A-10's

There's no reason to invade Ireland though. There's nothing there except Guinness, racehorses and let's call them..... "Caravan and Transit van enthusiasts with a penchant for incest"

Dice Strike well they are confirmed to have beaten an F-22. But no details were provided in regards to context. If the F-22 was purposefully disadvantaged, then your statement is unfounded.

@@kurousagi8155 considering rules of engagement of course, goes without saying..."confirmed kill" is a confirmed kill none the less.

poor example of American military might the F35.? I beg to differ, IAF has called it a game changer. The F35 flew all around targets in Iran completely undetected.

F 35 is undeniably the most expensive program in American military history. That is because it is by far the biggest program in American military history. It isn’t an accident.

As you probably know, the HMS Queen Elizabeth fleet doesn't have a catapult and wire system, instead just a ski ramp design for VTOL/STOL ops, thus unsuitable for the Rafale's catapult requirements.

AESA-radar - just like the so called "stealth" - is not that magical thing which makes you invincible. The previous radar simply was good enough to not rush the development of a new one. Same with thrust vectoring: It was developed for EF Typhoon but not implemented, because its not needed for real-life application (outside of airshows).

What else is it then? A pair of shoes? Captor E has been delayed massively because of course Germany has caused all sorts of problems. So much so that the UK ended up starting our own AESA upgrade path. The original radar was actually more capable and far more reliable than contemporary PESAs or AESAs - The rapid-moving planar array was chosen to reduce risk early in the program. Captor E will have swashplate mounting unique to Leonardo, giving a field of view far greater than any other AESA apart from Leonardo‘s own ES 05 Raven.

@@glennridsdale577 lol you reply with so much authority and confidence, as if you actually knew what you were talking about. AESA is not only better in terms of range and detection capability, jam resistance, but AESA can also be used for EW and active cancellation for a start. FYI individual AESA beams can be directed in different directions and different frequencies, a swashplate basically means you reduce the amount of real estate you have to fit more antennas, if you are looking left it means you are not looking right, not to mention adding more weight and moving parts adding to costly maintenance and possibly RCS. Usually fighter planes don't fly alone, so the angle benefit of a swashplate is very debatable. Most modern fighters do not bother with this, tbh it's a gimmick that sounds nice on paper. There are more clever ways to increase the angle by adding antennas in the fuselage/wings like on the SU57. I won't even start with newer GaN AESA since I may as well speak in Greek! I am not going to waste my time on this any further and I suggest you do some actual research before you present your uninformed opinions as facts to others. PS I would normally avoid this type of response but seeing as you litter this whole discussion page with so many posts and misconceptions and then blaming the Germans for lack of AESA on Typhoon was a cheap shot and a bridge too far. 😛

lord templar You May not like it, but it’s true. So much so that the U.K. eventually started its own AESA development of Captor, sick of the endless German procrastination. I’ve not heard about that for a while: I’d imagine the work got absorbed into the joint effort once that finally got funded. I love the way you dismiss the swashplate because it’s a unique. Typical arrogance. Not that I should be surprised looking at your selection of fake ID.

Bearing in mind... Have you heard of the F22 or an F35?

When have you ever seen the F-22 do anything? You never have, so do tell us how you could have any opinion on an aircraft you've never seen do anything? That's ridiculous, child-like and pathetic.

statistically speakng I think they share the top spot. The typhoon is a fantastic weapons platform and has great potential as a dogfighter. The F22 is stealthy af and can carry a load of BVR missiles to take down multiple aircraft before needing to return to base, all while remaining undetected.

@@bobmartin9918 Do you know that both the F-22 and F-35 can't see any other stealth aircraft from BVR? Stealth alone defeats high-frequency (short wave) radar by absorption and deflection it does not defeat low-frequency (long wave) radar. Therefore, to see, track and target stealth aircraft you must have long wave radar but it must also be enhanced to remove all clutter for targeting purposes. Both the AN/APG 77 radar used in the F-22 and the AN/APG-81 Radar used in the F-35 can't see any other stealth aircraft from BVR without enhanced long wave Radar - This is a fact even the US Air force must obviously know! It seems that when the F-35 radars were being designed 13 years ago there were no other stealth aircraft to think about as a threat.

Typhoon is 1970’s technology... way outdated!

@@holeefuk4217 They are releasing an updated version next year!!

Better than yours.

Imagine laughing at an accent... stfu kid ur too young to be on youtube

Trudeau spent the defense budget on makeup.

???

Because of all those fights where it would have made the difference?

Agreed, but that’s the problem with collaborating with Germany. Captor-E is now in production, though.

No. You obviously don’t know anything about fighter design or tactics either. Is there anything you do know about? Apart from the appearance of your own rectum?

@@glennridsdale577 Wow, someone's got something stuffed up his ass :). When the Eurofighter first came out, it was stated that thrust vectored engines would be in its pipeline of eventual upgrades... Even the age old Mig-29M has a 3D thrust-vectored experimental programs. The UK is better off financially than the Russians, so where is the Typhoon's programme?

@@fredsas12 you've kind of answered you own question. The UK is financial capable of thrust vectoring but is choosing not to make, so it doesn't want it. Though it seems like a nice idea the energy loss isn't worth it.

@@fredsas12 As I said: you obviously know nothing about fighter design or air combat tactics. Eurojet had a flight capable 3D nozzle by 2011. It was never flown. Why not? Because by that time it was clear that TVC and PSM are actually an appalling idea. They are the reason why the Indian Air Force's otherwise very capable Su-30MKIs keep getting their arses handed to them on a plate. So much so that they feel the need to make ludicrous claims in the press. PSM looks very impressive, but anyone moving that slowly in a fight is dead and buried. Air combat is about maintaining energy, and that means speed and/or height. PSM is all about giving that up. You might as well give the pilot a pistol and tell him to blow his own brains out. Did you not notice that the USAF abandoned TVC after the F-22?

How did you come to with that, all it mentioned was the radar?

What?

It superficially appears so, but don’t expect Tempest to look like the mock up. In any case Tempest will be a family of next generation systems far more advanced than the stunning Northrop or Lockheed products.

Mr. Morningstar it looks nothing like it from other angles.

Looks nothing like it

Nope, even if none US countries have better aircraft coming (which is debatable) they don't have them in numbers yet.

MultiPorkpie you serious? Most are in the UK.

And where do you live?

Never seen one in Worcester

MultiPorkpie And did you see a lot of Tornadoes in Worcester?

Dunno what you’re on about I’m near Lossiemouth and see them everyday.

Its been used in action. More than just in service.

“Goes kinetic” means that weapons have been employed to destroy targets. Terrible term in my opinion.

Lincolnshire

Coningsby

@@ChickenNugget-dk9hp yes I have seen them once down RAF Holbeach bombing but not recently

20 years, 30 if you count other countries.

@Zak Jensen, clearly you are not a true aviator.

We have jets in Romania.

He meant the Baltic States. You picked misunderstood him . He never said the B alkane

Balkans

EmperorLionflame well they're pretty well up to date I think you'll find. Technology evolves within.

No, but I heard they come with Android Auto as standard which is is nice

@@gml6040 a fellow carwow viewer I see

What?

@@glennridsdale577 The Typhoon for the Indian competition included some upgrades. AESA radar was one but I think there were others.

David Houseman Well translated. I’m impressed!

Kuwaiti and Qatari typhoons will be built to the latest standard with Captor-E radar and the improved PIRATE system and DASS. Those upgrades are expected to be applied to RAF aircraft from about 2023.

Max Jenkins-king he said best not biggest.

@@Mmjk_12 We do have F35s?

@@Mmjk_12 because there's so many T50 and J20s around?

@@Mmjk_12 Umm... the Su 50 has just gone into production, so there's very few in the sky, the J20 isn't even proper stealth, the Indians spotted it on radar, also its Chinese so hie long can u really expect it to work? France uses Rafales which are effectively French typhoons and their military are pretty much on par with ours rn. Russias aircraft also haven't helped much in Ukraine, or Georgia so what makes u think they'll work now? The US and India are the only two countries that surpass us in sheer size and only the US in terms of tech.

Yes.

@@glennridsdale577 your source/ data?

@@matthewbrooker Take your pick. Have you ever considered looking for anything yourself? www.warfare.today/2019/01/11/project-centurion-ensures-future-of-raf-typhoons/ www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/195723/raf-plans-to-build-on-eurofighter-centurion-for-next_gen-fighter.html www.adsgroup.org.uk/news/member-news/tornado-s-raf-service-ends-as-project-centurion-heralds-new-strike-capability/ www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/centurion-update-nears-service-with-raf-typhoons-450070/ combataircraft.keypublishing.com/2019/02/25/centurion-typhoon-fires-brimstone/ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WcsjO0xtKME.html Now, would you like me to chew your lunch for you as well?

@@glennridsdale577 forgive me asking questions 🤣🤣 Defensive, aren't we? See what I did there?

@@glennridsdale577 None of those articles state whether Centirion was delivered within original planned timescales or to original costs. But what does the humble British taxpayer know?

It's a figther from Uk germany italy and spain why the flag of Canada and Australia ?

Royal air Force🔝 I love the S.A.S. 👍👍

F22 isn't for sale to the UK and Tempest isn't set to enter service until 2035 and knowing how notoriously hard stealth fighter programs are to manage even for the U.S. with unlimited budget and previous experience, it's highly doubtful it will be online by even 2040. And by that time the F35 will be so mature, advanced, cheap and proven in british service it will still be competitive to buy more of them than a brand new design. So yes you will be reliant on the U.S. for the better part of the century at least.

THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS BAe/BAES has been working on LO technology since the 1980s and has flown an extensive range of LO aircraft. Saab also has extensive experience of LO materials. Yes, the U.K. will be using the Lightning for half a century. But no, we will not be reliant on the US or anyone else.

Not yet then, but nice to hear somebody talking about reusing technology for Tempest. Don't reinvent the wheel

I think the UK will order soon. I know Germany will

@Bobby Brady Did you reply to me purposely? I neither mentioned European as a nationality nor the number of countries that built the Eurofighter? No worries if you did.

@Bobby Brady I simply never mentioned European as a nationality, you may have been looking at a different comment, this is understandable if you are not used to the youtube platform or computers in general so no offense taken, don't worry. I just commented on how the beautiful the Eurofighter is, y'know that European aircraft built in Europe by Europeans, the one with the name EUROFIGHTER. That is run by Eurofighter GmbH based in Germany. You're gonna have a hard time convincing anyone that a plane called a EUROFIGHTER is not European - lol

They're keen of the "T"'s. I could see Thunder replacing the Lightnings when the time comes.

No. I hope the Brits do a proper fighter and call it "Spitfire". They wanted to call the Typhoon Spitfire, but our German miltitary leaders lacked the sense of humor. So, let the British build a proper Spitfire, we Gemans build a "Something-109". And instead of going to yet another dumb war, we all go to a proper pub, have loads of beer and laugh our asses off.

VirtualInfinity And who exactly do you mean by “they”? There was never any serious proposal to call the EFA “Spitfire”. That was a joke that did the rounds after we named it Typhoon: “Why not go the whole hog and called it Spitfire?”

How? Because we're doing a normal jet update?

@@davidhouseman4328 Oh look it's the idiot again that tried telling me the F-35 could perform a VTO only you failed to back it up with anything. Go away.

@@hardwired548 go away because you don't be an answer?

@@davidhouseman4328 No, go away because I already know you've no idea what you're talking about, so I've no interest in talking to you. You insisted the F-35 could VTO and went on and on about it until asked to show it. You're an idiot.

@@hardwired548 I didn't go on and on about, you did. I was more concerned you thought a Typhoon could take off from a carrier. And I gave you links.

The all world fight in syria !

I’m glad someone else is thinking about this problem. Trees are already disappearing from my back garden

Very few countries capable of affording them outside the EU.

Lots of Middle Eastern customers.

It’s too late for that. The UK is working on a 6th gen fighter though.

Bathwater Salesman, really what’s it called

@@xflushestmean93x54 BAE Tempest.

Yes, 27mm Mauser cannon

HA!! Russians Invented it for their MiG 25 Foxbat or the MiG 31 Foxhound

Soviets*

Whether the Lightning is much better may be debatable but that it's different isn't. Firstly the Typhoon can't operate from carriers. Secondly the Lightning is stealthier. This is allows it to operate in contested airspace the Typhoon can't. Typhoon + Lightning is definitely stronger than just Typhoon.

Won’t we be having both?

@@davidhouseman4328 I yeah completely agree but the airforce wants f35s as well but we need to equip two carriers first and we are currently not fighting anyone who could go toe2toe with a typhoon. Do 1 job right before you move to the next.

@@lukearmitage1533 we aren't in a significant conflict at the moment, so of course nothing can match a Typhoon. You don't build your air force for the best case, but for the worse case scenario. But you seem to be saying get Typhoons as well as F35s? That isn't an option, we don't have the budget. F35 deliveries are at the pace the MOD specifies, at the pace we can afford.

@@davidhouseman4328 no I meant the RAF wanting f35s isn't really feasible at the min when the navy need a different veriant for the Elizabeth class carriers. Surly if they want more planes then get the typhoon whats built in the UK its sertainly no lemon and could beat all but the best tier 4++ gen fighters and maby more.

Grow up

Robert Cook I’m confused, as to what the failings of the Martin Baker ejector seat have to with maturity? Please do continue to enlighten me

Harrison Rawlinson What failures?

@@glennridsdale577 There was a problem with a MB ejection seat fitted to a Hawk flown by the RAF's Red Arrows display team. The seat activated whilst the aeroplane was on the ground. The parachute failed to open and the pilot was killed. This was in 2011. MB were held to be negligent and fined. The problem was partly due to inadequate maintenance and the judge recognised MB's contrition and long and distinguished history of worldwide excellence in its field. The problem has long since been addressed and the Typhoon was never affected directly. Furthermore, tests to the MB ejection seat fitted to the F35 indicated that exceptionally lightweight pilots may experience neck trauma when ejecting at low speeds. This has been grossly overhyped, as have all negative issues pertaining to this aeroplane. The poster knows all this and is merely hoping to get a reaction by making a contentious comment.

*Herr **-Corbinsta-** sorry **-Cordite-** sorry wrong again, this auto-correct on my Smartphone keeps suggesting wrong words !*

@@md-run *Didn't offer that - but probably spot on ! - must upgrade to Android 10*

@@md-run nailed it with the first shot.

seems to me the tories have been the bigger threat to the forces; 25% cuts to the raf,navy down to 19 ships and 5000 fewer sailors .hollowed out army..all since 2010.

@Dave Klonpenberg How about that F35 in The USA.. or the F35 in Japan.. they both dropped from the sky.

Russia is not communist anymore so stop slating them. We need an enemy , a bogeyman if you like, so we can justify all the money spent on arms which makes a few people very very rich. We should be good mates with the Russkies, buying there gas and selling them our land rovers and range rovers not making an enemy of them.

@@ykdickybill No Russophobia intended, just an observation.

@@ykdickybill Russia isn't communist, it's now an oligarchy. Doing business is one thing but we shouldn't be good mates.

We're in Romania, he could mean the Balkans.

David Houseman ah i see

The F-22 is propaganda rubbish, when have you ever seen it do anything? You never have. Personally I look at the F-22 and see a pretty useless aircraft to be honest, it can't carry anywhere near enough weapons, it can't see or track any other stealth aircraft and has never been used in the 16 years the US has had it, the US been in Wars all that time, never used it because it's propaganda based aircraft.

@@hardwired548 Look up F-22 air interceptions.

We helped create them, they are designed to be what we wanted, of course we're buying them.

The amount of hate the F35 gets is unreal and completely unjustified. Reminds me of those who doubted the Harrier's capabilities. When the F35 is used in an actual conflict, everyone is going to finally stop bad mouthing it. It will do the job it's designed to do and when it has to adapt, the training of the RAF, RN, USAF and USN/USMC pilots will show just how capable the aircraft is in the right hands.

They said this years ago with the phantom. Turns out, dogfights were still a thing...

No bvr is a stupid dream aiforces have had for along time and they just don't work in real life,this is another reason why the f35 is garbage it can maneuver,in real life there is no red and blue dots on a radar screen,it is just dots,so what kind of plane is it? Is it a airliner? Is it a friendly plane or a allies?what is the dot on the screen? Ohh so then the plane has to get visual of it to determine it is indeed a enemy plane,then a dog fight commences

Less chance of us losing pilots in close air to air combat so fine by me

@Mr. Morningstar thats fair enough. although i do believe that it shouldn't be totally ruled out.

My Dixie Normus there is IFF interrogation in the aircraft most likely which would include a situational awareness page and it would be linked with datalink