Alternative Concepts of God | Episode 1104 | Closer To Truth 

Thank you very much Dr. Kuhn for exploring this aspect of "God"!!

Thank you! 🌟GOD Bless you all!

How can you explore alternatives concepts of god without delving into any of the non-abrahamic religion that like hinduism, budhism, sikhism, jainism etc?

God is love, kindness, knowledge, compassion, fairness, beauty...etc.

The endless debate continues. Fascinating

It's very simple. Nature is ALL that there is, is all you'll ever be able to experience, contemplate or know. GOD is what we are experiencing. No "Belief" required! I noticed while very young that Nature was where I felt the most Loved and where I felt closest to the Forces of Life. With this perception, we can See all as manifestations of divinity where ALL is connected and interwoven through Time and Space. Knowing that ALL is ONE gives a deeper appreciation for Nature & Life. For the Natural Uni-verse is THE ONE that we all have in common. All those fears of being distant, detached and separated from The Divine are removed when realizing we are aspects of total divinity. If this was our overstanding many of the problems, anxiety, anger and conflicts would be diminished. The false delusiond of various Santa Claus gods only create doubts and conflicts as history has proven. In agreeing on what ties us together in this WEB of LIFE cycle could help keep this beautiful Plamet Home sustainable for all Earthlings

Like Christopher Hitchens said - he _loves_ listening to believers talking about God because you never know what they are going to say next!

I like the series. But why are there so many issues with sound in it... sometimes it's not in sync (like in this one), sometimes the volume is too low... regarding the production looking pretty high standard I don't get why the uploads here are so flawed.

My mind is like mush trying to figure out reality ,I just can't cope no more.

These contents are so exhilarating.

God is simply the universe

man, what a crossover it would have been if Dr. Robert Lawrence Kuhn had a conversation with Art Bell..

I think you found your elements on that trip, Robert Kuhn. Why can't we just trust the quark reality and include supersymmetric squarks for our gods.

Accept "brute fact naturalism" Robert. You'll not only get closer to truth, you'll hit it spot on.

We are all the same being in the most literal sense. We are God.

I search in vain for concepts of God from non-Western civilizations and cultures in these episodes. They may have something valuable to say. Being stuck with the idea of God as a person, a Creator, having attributes of love, hate etc., God having a body, location, being the universe, within the universe, outside the universe, directing events, all these concepts, while interesting, are not really satisfactory. Who is asking all these questions and formulating concepts? Consciousness is the source of all ideas and concepts. Again, all discussion about nature and location of consciousness is also a product of consciousness. I wonder if Albert Schweitzer was weighed down by all the concepts of God before he decided once and for all that the supreme purpose and value of his life was to serve his fellow humans and make the world as he found it a little better. Perhaps his worldview transcended even Christian faith. God is beyond comprehension and description. Any human description, concept, or idea of God falls short of . Let us know more about Body, brain, mind, and consciousness. Then we might be closer to Truth.

A piece from a new book titled: Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach into the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlie all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law which allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice verse. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment of time than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to between making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, or producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always to respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result from any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things in a conventional way - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life - including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream - already exists within us.

Like a yin yang that encompasses everything...the dots in it are eyes...one of the eyes is pretty and pristine like a little baby eye...the other eye is...horrendous..a dirty window that has gazed upon epochs of pain...

Another great video! Please re sync up the video with the audio, it is off by a bit & doesn't match up.

Kudos -- 444 Gematria -- 🗽

I’ve really enjoyed these videos, and the deeper considerations of life they’ve invoked. My own theology and my understanding of this world’s purposes (and our own) have been in a state of flux - a letting go of what I thought I accepted as true. It’s good to hear others speak of coming to terms with these mysteries too.

In my opinion, and to avoid as much nuance as possible, because I believe this is just the surface of my undertanding and much nuances exist and also admitting I could be 100% wrong. God is everything and everything is God. God is all of the above. God is light. God is a partical and a wave at the same time, but also in all times. God is the sunshine we percievie and make sense of the world around us, our collective reality if you will, but also running the photons of light zipping through our brain and body, creating our individual thoughts and reality.

God could be embodied on earth in humanity, in universe by life with conscious experience.

You've probably seen this before, but here goes anyhow: My 'h' (might just be hunch) is that experience is conserved, collects and becomes agent in itself (little 'g' ontogeny). I suspect that space-time is flat and Einstein might've been closer to right than anyone thought. I suspect that all the rules, continuous or discrete, lead to complexity and experiencing animals like us. The purpose of which is to further collect and grow in strength and awareness. This permits the ghastliest of evil along the way, along with everything else. But it favors the good and us wanting/trying to be better, especially if the collective agency of those choices like itself better because of those choices. I kick around the idea that space-time is the carrier for conserved experience, but that's because I don't want to run with mass/gravity just yet and anything beyond is that much further beyond me. Either way, I think it pays to remember that the paper isn't the story, the alphabet isn't the language.

Steinhart's view reminds me of David Ray Griffin's "God Exists but Gawd Does Not," only on his view it would be "Gods exist but POG does not."

Mind officially blown😳💨..

I love Closer To Truth, but is this really a "new" episode? Wasn't this uploaded about a month ago?

God suddenly appeared before me while I watched this video. He looked like a container of cleaning fluid. Oh wait, that was an advert...

Before trying to talk/think deductively about That ... Why not try with inductive extreme thoughts like what are the boundaries of The Human's Imagination? or Could the human imagination conceives how Eternal Entities would be? or What could happen with contingency and time in an Eternal Domain? or If you - suddenly - becomes an immortal eternal Being ...What would you do? ... What is easier? To Teach a Chimp to learn how to be like a Human ... or To teach a Human to learn how to be like a Chimp ...

Isn't panentheism synonymous with most credible arguments for God? That is to say the universe is part of God, but does not exhaust what God is? The alternatives, that God is a superhero looking on disapprovingly from outside his creation, seems too like the worst of human nature, not divine. That God made the universe but washed his hands of it and retired to heaven, seems equally facile. If we are conscious, and not suffering an organised delusion of consciousness, a pan-conscious God would seem inevitable.

I wonder if Mr. Kuhn will ever talk to someone who follows Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. It's the chief book of the Vedas, older than the Bible, and describes the absolute truth in detail as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but I guess he would think of it as "alternative."

There is a concept of God in some eastern philosophies that God is a Cosmic source or potential that actualized itself in the form of universe and everything within it... and now God is evolving through the universe to perfect itself. I don't know what label is there for such an immanent and evolving God!

You have to go with a Creator-God, because otherwise you still have the issue of where the universe came from, because it cannot be eternal. A Creator can be eternal, because he transcends space and time.

God is personal. You are God. You can't get more personal than that. You know yourself as 'me'. This is God. Everything is ME Even in the absence of things, there is still Me.

Believe or not believe, there is no in between.

I am God, you are God, did I miss anyone? Oh, the Devil, he's food for thought.

In all of these interviews, the burning question that never seems to get asked (or answered) is, "what does the use of the term God add to any of them?"

Entanglement believed there is a main source or nothing is created or destroyed. They are still living and much more advanced.

You got a fundamental misunderstanding I forgot if you're assuming that when the Big Bang started he started. It's a basic fundamental flaw in your education if you believe that. It's a disappointment that the interviewer didn't catch that fail

Wooly logic based on foundations of sand.

There are as many concepts of God as there are believers in God. Actually, come to think of it, there are more, because even non-believers have concepts of God and each of them is unique as well.

GOD...Good Open-minded Dialogue...God is the question of God not the temporary destiny of God found in an answer to the question.

Pantheism has no real problem with the "age of God" if one focuses on the concept of "God" being the eternal, indestructible "energy" that is currently in the FORM of this universe as we know it.

Have you noticed that God is very fond of lightning

It's gods all the way down.

What if we are the primordial god.. and that’s what makes god so big that he make himself become the lowest of them all. Also it’s what makes god so complex and unique, mysterious.

Pity you left out Spinozan Panentheism.

God is Love and anyone who has real love in their heart has a part of God which is most powerful. The more people love, the more God is manifested in the world. If everyone becomes love then God is every where and we become ONE with the "All" the true reality.

No solid experimental facts, it is only descriptive, it is guess.

7 billions people on the planet and each of them can come up with a more or less sophisticated idea of what they think god is or isn't...not much to gain from that in terms of understanding reality

Please read Law of One and listen to Alan Watts lectures. I found them very interesting.

But where did that first simple god come from?

An infinite regress of gods, but who started it all.

God conscious reality brings together science of universe / cosmos and human experience.

I think if you can imagine God fully then he isn’t God. God is unimaginable and mysterious

9:08 - MMM HMM!

God is a civilization, that reached at least level 4 on the Kardashev scale.

The most popular competing concept to god is more gods. Darwins natural selection does not compete with god but is the right answer.

Remember Lawrence don't dichotomize reality (science and religion); the physical needs the metaphysical and vice versa. For example to produce human sentience it requires physical neurons resulting in the emotive feelings of one's Will (self-awareness, etc.) which cannot be explained exclusively by material properties themselves. Or, think of the properties of Time; what is time? Or mathematics, so on and so forth. 3017 Metaphysician

PLEASE GO AND WATCH " THE BEST MOVIE EXPLAINING THE FLOOD" AND KEN HAM "SCIENCE CONFIRMS THE BIBLE" BY: ANSWERS IN GENESIS. I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU IN SOME POSITIVE WAY.

Bunch of thoughtful people have alot of beliefs, then there's a bunch of commercials.

They can't ALL be right, BUT they ALL can be wrong? Best keave them to their own disagreement!

THE TRUTH IS WE ALL 👨‍👨‍👦 MUST 💔 BREAK IN ❤ AND 🙇 BOW OUT.AND THE GRACE OF GOD IS SUFICIENT. WETHER ITS AT HOME 🏡 AT WORK AT CHURCH ⛪ OR IN THE COMMUNITY. AND 👨‍👨‍👦 WHO 👀 SEES IT ❤EARLY ☀ SEES 👁‍🗨 REALITY 💔 .

A species far in technological advance from us, what's their concept? Would they de-invent God?

Testing

There are all kinds of things and stuff in this universe, but God choose to see only good in his creation.

Shermer's Last Law.

A living spirit without a body, perhaps God wants to go back into his lamp.

There is no such things as good and bad from God's perspective, it's just a human interpretation of events happen in a place or a time, truth is the fundamental principle of God and that is the way how nature works, the concept of God is that God is not a supernatural being like we see in superhero movies

God exists. I would delete my writings if I feel there is no appreciation or curiosity. Or may decide to ignore writing in the first place. I do not write only to help others, as I live in this society. Yet my writings are about challenging, or I may have different theories or solutions to the question or statements of others. Metaphysician philosopher

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Made me laugh... It's like being invited to a smogabord of Gods where none of the guests are sure whether any of the Gods are edible... The idea of God and values being the fuel of reality isn't new.

If the original source of the universe is infinite, or is the infinite “space-time singularity” where the big bang came from, and if there are potentially infinite universes as also speculated in science, then maybe pantheism doesn't need to consider the concept of God as having an age. Maybe the answer is simply that you can't have any plus without a relative minus, so you can't create anything less than infinite without it being more than nothing. And if the original source really is infinite, can we dismiss any concept of God, or gods, lightly.

Yujin Nakasawa: "Theism provides a reason for the existence of the universe" No, it doesn't. It can't do that if it doesn't demonstrate that the God of a particular theism exists and has influence. At best, theism provides a claim for the reason the universe exists.

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Why would we think because the universe started. that God started then?

Philosophers in Birmingham England ?? ...Did they take a wrong turn ?

Pantheism does not have a problem regarding God’s age. The universe was not created out of nothing, but simply the inflation of the eternal singularity.

Maybe it's easier to find the devil, then he might tell us about God.

god was first discrete robot that was doing it's copies. World is something line algorithmic portal - self building robot

The last one is pretty much gnosticism. Archeons, demiurgs etc..

universe good for life? nah..pretty hostile imho

Multiplicity is not progress

If there is no human beings in the universe, can we still talk about god?

Universe is a body of God, no wonder everything brakes and never work as it suppose to.

The last view by the philosopher who is talking about little gods and bigger gods leading to primordial GOD this concept correlates perfectly with theoretical physicist Micho Kako about the concept of advanced civilizations in the universe as well as the concept of the movie Prometheus!

Emotional God, perhaps this is what drove Devil insane and he rebelled against that maniac.

Jesus WAS God in a body.

The eyes are the windows to the soul?👁️👁️ No. WE are the windows to God's Soul.

The Big G likely has delegated autonomous little G's that require tweaking from time to time as Big G continues to facilitate his own creativity. Once all limits are reached, the process continues beyond dimensions of space and physicality to form more of the same infinitely. Worlds within worlds is only a single direction of growth that we might presume however, big G in its infinite bag of divine options certainly reached any perceivable limit we can imagine and continued to forge reality beyond our ability to imagine. If Big G has always been and always will be such that there has never been a time in that he never existed, he has had a lot of time to become stagnated in ideas as to how to be creative by nature. Assuming boredom isn't an option in Big G's continuous everlasting and endless for which a beginning never existed, I assume autonomous appointment of little G's maintain and manage what has been created while Big G continues divine creation beyond our conceivable thoughts. As we learn to exist and understand, our consciousness becomes qualified to be appointed an apprenticeship for a never ending and growing number of job vacancies for aspiring little G's. I'm sure the Christmas Party attendance grows exponentially lol. Assuming fellowship is big G's guiding purpose would be short sighted in my opinion. A need to creat for the sake of learning is also counterintuitive so, what reason might there be for which infinite creation continues. Repetition ignites boredom but so does creativity for the sake of creativity itself. Might this perpetual machine just be following its programming and actually have had a point at which it was turned on? Machines don't get bored. Limitless layers to an unanswerable question is depressing and the original creator may be so well hidden deep within the fabric of it all that, unless big G reveals himself, we can never know. So, might he have done just that already? One day we will either know or we won't know the difference. We will have to wait and see for ourselves. It's a personal journey till that moment arrives. I doubt a Little G will break the silence either. I'm sure there is something continuous about each of us after physical death. Knowing would effect our education process so, trusting the process seems intuitive to me. What choice do we have anyway. Think Big !

That haircut is proof there is no POG.

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If God all ready interduce himself true his creation including all of us being port of his creation?who are those people to talk about God . When I look at myself and the universe that is so in order so program so clear and profound. And he teaching us true his creation about here and the here after ALLAH is Great. I am a good Christian now i fallow Mohammad because Jesus advice me to.

God is everything perceived and beyond There is nothing that is not God If we think we have a distinct identity, it's our mistake. This mistake is the seed for evil.

Ah, it is time again to fantasize about invisible friends. Robert, you should interview a dock worker, or a gardener, or a plumber about the topic. Their fantasies are just as valid.

POG lmao

God I.S. Time ~ manifest in Timing. (QM)

@ about 10:40 the idea of God having a body. I ask . . . IF A BODY MEET A BODY COMING THROUGH THE RYE NEED A BODY KISS A BODY ???

Jesus didn't know he was a God, he kinda suspect he might be, but wasn't sure this was a right way to explain what he felt deep down inside. Perhaps one of us is another incarnation of God, waiting for his potential to wake up and remember the message he wanted to leave behind for us this time. It's an interesting dogma, if God did it once, he might do it over and over again, this way of communicating with humans feels nice, pristine and somehow personal, compared to a burning, talking bushes and such.

God became man, so man could become God. And all the supper is coming from man. It has nothing to do with God. He's allowing you to experience yourself in a physical way in a dual. Distinct environment with good and bad. Happy sad up-and-down a lesson to be learned. But man has made man suffer